Alternative medisin, nutrition support
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Viking: edited Reply: Negative testimonials donot constitution proof that something doesn’t work.
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KaliMur, You seem to be a ‘true believer’; you can’t take it when someone makes the least bit of well-founded criticism of what you have to say. I don’t mind it if you disagree with me, for that’s what makes the world go ’round. However, you fail to understand that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Homeopathy falls into this class. If you can’t handle it that someone would have the temerity to want evidence to support your claims, then you’ve got psychological problems. So, I dare to step on your toes. Well, that’s tough! It so happens that I can generally tell the lurking audience where I got my info from, and my sources generally cite papers. I *know* you can’t do that with your homeopathic advise. KaliMur, I sure hope you don’t mail bomb me. I don’t like it… and I do take good care of myself when that happens. Don’t you *dare* send me e-mail, either. If you want to say something, do it in full view. I’ve just discovered a good use for a kill file.
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Well Viking…… Maybe someone can do a linguistic comparison of grammar, tone and spelling and maybe we could prove that viking2 and root are one and the Viking and root seem to spell advice the same way. So now for the threats!!!!!! I have done two things to you. Tried to give you some homeopathic advice and to call you on your ethics. You can cast spells????? There are ligit criticisms of homeopathic techniques. However, you haven’t hit upon them. I would challenge those that don’t believe that there is anything to homeopathy to get some ARNICA and a homeopathic first aid book. Run a small experiment on the use of the arnica in first aid situations. Then listen to viking2 and root. I have seen some close to miracle type things happen to people using homeopathy. The miracle is only because there doesn’t seem to be an allopathic equivalent to some of the healings that homeopathy can do. This is not just from testimonials. When you can see rather quick removal of physical symptoms as opposed to the allopathic equivalent, then you begin to see what can be done with homeopathy. Too bad it didn’t happen for you.
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| Well Viking…… | | Maybe someone can do a linguistic comparison of grammar, tone and spelling | and maybe we could prove that viking2 and root are one and the | Viking and root seem to spell advice the same way. | | So now for the threats!!!!!! I have done two things to you. Tried to | give you some homeopathic advice and to call you on your ethics. | | You can cast spells????? | | There are ligit criticisms of homeopathic techniques. However, you haven’t | hit upon them. | | I would challenge those that don’t believe that there is anything to | homeopathy to get some ARNICA and a homeopathic first aid book. Run a | small experiment on the use of the arnica in first aid situations. Then | listen to viking2 and root. There’s absolutely no proof that this works, except topically, for sprains. | | I have seen some close to miracle type things happen to people using | homeopathy. The miracle is only because there doesn’t seem to be an | allopathic equivalent to some of the healings that homeopathy can do. This | is not just from testimonials. When you can see rather quick removal of | physical symptoms as opposed to the allopathic equivalent, then you begin | to see what can be done with homeopathy. | | Too bad it didn’t happen for you. | Testimonials, BULLSHIT! Testimonials do not count as proof! How do I know that KaliMur hasn’t made these things up! He most likely did! He’s a stupid enough quack to do such things! Pony up the papers, a**hole! By the null hypothesis, those making the claims are required to produce the proof. Well, I’m sure you can’t, you quack! KaliMur, you’ve been sending harrassing e-mail messages to me. Do not send any sort of e-mail messages to me ever again.
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Typical true-believer nonsence! Testimonials *do not* constitute proof. The British Royal Family is *not* known for their brains, either.
This is absolutely true, due to centuries of inbreeding. We can see the same result right here on m.h.a. in Quadruple Zero! — Robert Greenstein Executive Director
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edited: viking2’s reply saying that I was sending it harrassing E-mail. reply: I really don’t think that I have send you anything where I called you an asshole. If you and root are the same…… the level of your delusions has increased. There is little harm on the net for what either of us say. However, if you are as paranoid as you have expressed in the past about your acquaintances, fellow students and teachers, then I suggest you get some help to calm down. The behavior you are exhibiting recently is certainly out of proportion to whatever the content of your e-mail is. You have more to fear from yourself than anything anyone on the net could possibly say to you. How many personalities do you have?????? Remember the quotes I gave to root about Thuja. Some of the etiology of Thuja is having been abused. By the way since you have been on this conference I have posted my complete name and U.S.Postal address. I am a female. So at least you can now get that correct.
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edited: viking saying that I am sending harrassing e-mail to it. reply: let the net be the judge. I post the e-mail to viking2 aka root as well as to the net.
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: By the way since you have been on this conference I have posted my : complete name and U.S.Postal address. I am a female. So at least : you can now get that correct. The poor fellow doesn’t even know what sex the name ‘Kali’ is. <g Though, come to think about it, ‘viking’ is an apt nomen for this fellow. My forefathers chose "Iannone." A good italian name which is more recognizable in transliterated/modified Greek: Johannine. "Of John." Boy, do I feel ashamed to be named after the Apostle. Lot of schoolyard yucks yet to be had, though–no doubt.
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| | | | | Happy Christmas, folks | | I dont know if this is the right place to ask, but I | try: | | I have an 4 year old boy who has asthma. He uses the | ‘Lomudal’ medicin every day, and ‘Solbuvent’ when he is | ill. But now I have read some litterature about | alternative medisin, espesially herbs, vitamins, | minerals, acids etc. | | I wonder if someone can help me | _ | Happy New Year | | I too have asthma as does my son…we both see a homeopathic | physician/practitioner. Homeopathy is useful in treating | symptoms and we have had excellent results from using | homeopathic remedies. The most powerful effect that use of | remedies can have,however,is to act as a catalyst to get the | body to use its own healing powers. That way there are no side | effects of drugs to worry about and over time the individual | heals and no longer needs drugs or at the very least the need | to take drugs is drastically reduced. | | The Royal Family in England is treated by homeopathic | physicians and homeopathy has been accepted and respected for | many years both there and in France. In North America more and | more people are rediscovering homeopathy as a way to help them | deal with disease and pain. | Typical true-believer nonsence! Testimonials *do not* constitute proof. The British Royal Family is *not* known for their brains, either. Prince Charles was the first member of that family to be accepted to an English university on academic merit (for the other members, admission standards were appropriately lowered…). Those promoting such unprooven modalities should clearly state this fact. Otherwise, they’re behaving irresponsibly and are spam producers! | Hope this helps in your search…good luck! Hope your little | one gets well!
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Happy Christmas, folks I dont know if this is the right place to ask, but I try: I have an 4 year old boy who has asthma. He uses the ‘Lomudal’ medicin every day, and ‘Solbuvent’ when he is ill. But now I have read some litterature about alternative medisin, espesially herbs, vitamins, minerals, acids etc. I wonder if someone can help me
_ Happy New Year I too have asthma as does my son…we both see a homeopathic physician/practitioner. Homeopathy is useful in treating symptoms and we have had excellent results from using homeopathic remedies. The most powerful effect that use of remedies can have,however,is to act as a catalyst to get the body to use its own healing powers. That way there are no side effects of drugs to worry about and over time the individual heals and no longer needs drugs or at the very least the need to take drugs is drastically reduced. The Royal Family in England is treated by homeopathic physicians and homeopathy has been accepted and respected for many years both there and in France. In North America more and more people are rediscovering homeopathy as a way to help them deal with disease and pain. Hope this helps in your search…good luck! Hope your little one gets well!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Happy Christmas, folks I dont know if this is the right place to ask, but I try: I have an 4 year old boy who has asthma. He uses the ‘Lomudal’ medicin every day, and ‘Solbuvent’ when he is ill. But now I have read some litterature about alternative medisin, espesially herbs, vitamins, minerals, acids etc. I wonder if someone can help me – is there any type of aromatherapeutici-treatment against asthma; use of herb-essences etc.? – is it possible to use minerals or vitamins for asthma-treatment? – a friend of mine is a distributor of the Herbalife Nutrition Programme (which is new in Norway), and he says this product can have good effect on some diseases, and helps the body to resist disease-attacks. Is there anybody who has any experience with this product? – can someone recomend a good book in english about these topics (I have read an interesting book writen by a finnish professor – Matti Tolonen about use of vintamins, minerals and essescial acids, and a french – Dr. Paul Belouch about use og herbs. I be thankful if anyone can answer some of these questions From Telephone: 55-212613 Telefax: 55-960660 Adr.: Norwegian Social Science Data Service, Hans Holmboes gate 22, 5007 Bergen, Norway
Asthma is differcult to cure, but is possible. Try take cod-liver oil or Vitamin A supplement. Avoid breath in cold air. George Law
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: – a friend of mine is a distributor of the Herbalife Nutrition : Programme (which is new in Norway), and he says this product can : have good effect on some diseases, and helps the body to resist : disease-attacks. Is there anybody who has any experience with : this product? I would avoid such a thing. The child has an illness that should not be randomly treated with Herbalife formulas, several of which are entirely misguided. Kali Tea contains caffeine, for instance, though no notice of this is on the package. Find a good East-Asian Traditional Healer to assess the child’s health balance.
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: Happy Christmas, folks : I dont know if this is the right place to ask, but I try: : I have an 4 year old boy who has asthma. He uses the ‘Lomudal’ medicin every : day, and ‘Solbuvent’ when he is ill. But now I have read some litterature : about alternative medisin, espesially herbs, vitamins, minerals, acids etc. You might want to check out alt.support.asthma. (I always get the group name mixed up: it might be alt.med.asthma.) I think the most important thing to do for this kid is to get allergens out of his environment. Poor kid. Asthma’s no fun; it can be scary even for an adult who knows what’s going on. : – a friend of mine is a distributor of the Herbalife Nutrition Programme : (which is new in Norway), and he says this product can have good effect on : some diseases, and helps the body to resist disease-attacks. Is there anybody : who has any experience with this product? I wouldn’t use Herbalife. (For once Paul Iannone and I agree on something!) I have not been impressed with the knowledge of the folks selling it. For example, I’ve heard them market their N-R-G formulation as a ‘natural’ alternative to coffee (which is natural in and of itself). These folks implied their formula was less ‘toxic’ than coffee, but it contained some powerful stimulant herbs; in other words, not really any different/ I don’t think herbs will do a whole lot here, since herbs for asthma basically are weaker versions of the prescription meds (i.e. ephedra -ma huang- is a mild version of ephedrine, which is a bronchodilator, and not a very effective one at that.) I highly doubt that someone using prescription bronchodilators and coritcosteroids is going to respond to them, and the effects could be additive with the kid’s medication. If you decide to use herbs or vitamins, don’t try to substitute them for the kid’s medication. Asthma can be fatal, and nobody with asthma is on corticosteroids without a pretty severe case of it. Let the doc know what you’re doing. Shrine of the Cybernetic Madonna BBS 213-766-1356 "The Board that Hates Rush Limbaugh With A Passion"
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: I don’t think herbs will do a whole lot here, since herbs for asthma : basically are weaker versions of the prescription meds (i.e. ephedra : -ma huang- is a mild version of ephedrine, which is a : bronchodilator, and not a very effective one at that.) That would be the case if the purpose of East-Asian Traditional Healing was efficient suppression only, as it usually is in Western Clinical Medicine. Often times a holistic approach will be more healing over time than the drug approach, which tends to wear out the patient and decrease health over time. For instance, the ephedrine type herbals usually used deplete Yin, which in the Lung is a big issue. Herbal formulas that use Ephedra take this effect into account. WCM doesn’t recognise this effect, and even if it did, doesn’t have any method for countering it. Nonetheless, Camilla and I agree that childhood asthma is not exactly the try something, anything kind of illness. Go to a good East-Asian Traditional Healer, yes, but indeed, seeing an MD is worthwhile (even if you don’t take the meds offered, or take the bare minimum).
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| : – a friend of mine is a distributor of the Herbalife Nutrition | : Programme (which is new in Norway), and he says this product can | : have good effect on some diseases, and helps the body to resist | : disease-attacks. Is there anybody who has any experience with | : this product? | | I would avoid such a thing. The child has an illness that should not be | randomly treated with Herbalife formulas, several of which are entirely | misguided. Kali Tea contains caffeine, for instance, though no notice of this | is on the package. | | Find a good East-Asian Traditional Healer to assess the child’s health | balance. | | No, find a good, open-minded pediatrician, who cares about encouraging wellness and does take a more wholistic view about things.
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Happy Christmas, folks I dont know if this is the right place to ask, but I try: I have an 4 year old boy who has asthma. He uses the ‘Lomudal’ medicin every day, and ‘Solbuvent’ when he is ill. But now I have read some litterature about alternative medisin, espesially herbs, vitamins, minerals, acids etc. I wonder if someone can help me – is there any type of aromatherapeutici-treatment against asthma; use of herb-essences etc.? – is it possible to use minerals or vitamins for asthma-treatment? – a friend of mine is a distributor of the Herbalife Nutrition Programme (which is new in Norway), and he says this product can have good effect on some diseases, and helps the body to resist disease-attacks. Is there anybody who has any experience with this product? – can someone recomend a good book in english about these topics (I have read an interesting book writen by a finnish professor – Matti Tolonen about use of vintamins, minerals and essescial acids, and a french – Dr. Paul Belouch about use og herbs. I be thankful if anyone can answer some of these questions From Telephone: 55-212613 Telefax: 55-960660 Adr.: Norwegian Social Science Data Service, Hans Holmboes gate 22, 5007 Bergen, Norway
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