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this documents a link i’ve been grousing about for years beween childhood stress and autoimmune disease. granted it’s asthma not ms. but i don’t think anyone’s looked towards MS in this light. Asthma Difficulty, Parenting Linked October 1, 2001 CHICAGO (AP) – Children susceptible to asthma face more than double the risk of developing the disease by ages 6 to 8 if their parents had trouble caring for them in early infancy, a study shows. In the study, 150 children at risk for the disease because one or both parents had asthma were followed from infancy into childhood. Children whose parents had parenting difficulties when the youngsters were 3 weeks old were compared with those whose parents coped well. The authors, led by psychologist Mary Klinnert of National Jewish Medical and Research Center in Denver, reported in October’s Pediatrics that 40 children had developed asthma. The issue of Pediatrics comes out Monday. The authors earlier reported similar findings when the children were 3 years old, finding that 33 had developed asthma. While environmental factors such as pollens and pet dander are more typically thought of as triggers, emotional stress also has been linked to asthma. The authors theorized that poorly coping parents could cause emotional stress to the infant, impairing the disease-fighting immune system. Parenting difficulties were described as an inability to offer proper emotional care to children, due to inadequate support from a spouse, depression or other problems. Asthma affects more than 17 million Americans, causing spells of breathing difficulties and wheezing. Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->this documents a link i’ve been grousing about for years beween >childhood stress and autoimmune disease. >granted it’s asthma not ms. but i don’t think anyone’s looked towards >MS in this light. >Asthma Difficulty, Parenting Linked >October 1, 2001 >CHICAGO (AP) – Children susceptible to asthma face more than double >the risk of developing the disease by ages 6 to 8 if their parents had >trouble caring for them in early infancy, a study shows. >In the study, 150 children at risk for the disease because one or both >parents had asthma were followed from infancy into childhood. Children >whose parents had parenting difficulties when the youngsters were 3 >weeks old were compared with those whose parents coped well. >The authors, led by psychologist Mary Klinnert of National Jewish >Medical and Research Center in Denver, reported in October’s >Pediatrics that 40 children had developed asthma. The issue of >Pediatrics comes out Monday. >The authors earlier reported similar findings when the children were 3 >years old, finding that 33 had developed asthma. >While environmental factors such as pollens and pet dander are more >typically thought of as triggers, emotional stress also has been >linked to asthma. >The authors theorized that poorly coping parents could cause emotional >stress to the infant, impairing the disease-fighting immune system. >Parenting difficulties were described as an inability to offer proper >emotional care to children, due to inadequate support from a spouse, >depression or other problems. >Asthma affects more than 17 million Americans, causing spells of >breathing difficulties and wheezing. >Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material >may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
I find this interesting as I worked as a volunteer at this very hospital 25 years ago. National Jewish has mostly children and teenages there and most all live at the hospital. We knewthat the MAJORITY of the children there had stressful/abusive/ home lives. Many of the kids couldn’t even handle a family visit – they would go into asthma attacks. Why are they reporting this now – because they have now linked it back to infants? Duh……. I can tell you for sure and certain that EVERY falre-up I have had has been triggered by stress. Starting at 15 years old. — Susan If we weren’t all crazy we would all go insane…… Jimmy Buffet
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<< Children susceptible to asthma face more than double the risk of developing the disease by ages 6 to 8 if their parents had trouble caring for them in early infancy, a study shows. >> Another "blame the parents" theory. Remember when they used to blame autism on bad mothers? Asthma attacks can be triggered by stress, as can MS attacks. This does not mean that people with asthma or MS or any other disease had lousy parents. I wonder if they studied anything else in the enironments these kids were raised in. Were they subjected to car exhaust from expressways? homes I have read about children in a NYC housing project with a high rate of asthma. Guess what? The buildings were near 2 busy expressways. Sylvia
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Welllll. Go work at the National Jewish Hospital for a while and we will then have this discussion. Yes, there were well adjusted kids there with great parents but the majority were a mess! It was the first and only time in my life that I SAW the physical results of abuse. It is absolutely shocking to see these kids. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -><< Children susceptible to asthma face more than double >the risk of developing the disease by ages 6 to 8 if their parents had >trouble caring for them in early infancy, a study shows. >> >Another "blame the parents" theory. Remember when they used to blame autism on >bad mothers? >Asthma attacks can be triggered by stress, as can MS attacks. This does not >mean that people with asthma or MS or any other disease had lousy parents. >I wonder if they studied anything else in the enironments these kids were >raised in. Were they subjected to car exhaust from expressways? homes I have >read about children in a NYC housing project with a high rate of asthma. Guess >what? The buildings were near 2 busy expressways. >Sylvia
– Susan If we weren’t all crazy we would all go insane…… Jimmy Buffet
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Susan; << It was the first and only time in my life that I SAW the physical results of abuse. It is absolutely shocking to see these kids.>> I have only known a few children that were victims of abuse. The whole idea of abusing your own child makes me ill; sadly, I believe that the abusers were abused as children themselves. You wrote about the "physical results of abuse." The results I have seen were visible and sickening, not illnesses like asthma. I believe the relation between inept parenting and asthma is the physical environment the children are raised in. The parents are young, poor, and live in substandard housing. The rates of childhood asthma in the poorer sections of the city are atrocious. I remember reading somewhere that cockroaches are a contributing factor to asthma. The children of young, poor parents are also likely to have a poor diet and little or no medical care. Although the parents get food stamps and free doctor visits and medications, some of them don’t make the effort to feed the kids properly or take them to the doctor. All of this contributes to poorer children growing up less healthy than those who are more well off. If you have any other thoughts on this, I’d like to hear them. How can a bad childhood cause physical diseases? Sylvia
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How can a bad >childhood cause physical diseases? >Sylvia
Dear Sylvia, Stres can kill you………… — Susan If we weren’t all crazy we would all go insane…… Jimmy Buffet
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hi sylvia i don’t see this as blaming the parent at all. this seems more about ttracing autoimmune disease to the HPA axis screwups ca used by stress early in life i’m glad to see this finally being lookked at. the old "kids are rrsiliant" bit is a lotta crap. kids learn to behave well unnder horrendous situations. but abuse an, poverty and neglect take a hell of a toll. a lot comes out physically much later in life. until the real long term damage is understood, a lo t will continue to be swept under tuhe rug. it’s not all about blaming the parent. i think some of this is about getting money to work where it’ll do the most good. having said that there are sure to be bad studies in this area as in any. that doesn’t mean they all are. regards ed syl…@aol.com (SYLV77) writes: ><< Children susceptible to asthma face more than double >the risk of developing the disease by ages 6 to 8 if their parents had >trouble caring for them in early infancy, a study shows. >> >Another "blame the parents" theory. Remember when they used to blame autism on >bad mothers? >Asthma attacks can be triggered by stress, as can MS attacks. This does not >mean that people with asthma or MS or any other disease had lousy parents. >I wonder if they studied anything else in the enironments these kids were >raised in. Were they subjected to car exhaust from expressways? homes I have >read about children in a NYC housing project with a high rate of asthma. Guess >what? The buildings were near 2 busy expressways. >Sylvia
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hi sylv look into hpa axis problems. if the hpa axis is trashed by repeated emotional trauma, then every little disturbance hits like acattle prod. there is no "little suprise" everything is a big deal jump out of your skin thing. the body isn’t built to sustain constant fight or flight state. it takes a toll. a lot of info is bieg generated on this as the chinese and russian adoptees grow up here. the immune system is deeply effected. so is the ability to learn. moods are all over the place and self care is too. regards ed – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -syl…@aol.com (SYLV77) writes: >Susan; ><< It was the first and only time in my life that I SAW the physical >results of abuse. >It is absolutely shocking to see these kids.>> >I have only known a few children that were victims of abuse. The whole idea of >abusing your own child makes me ill; sadly, I believe that the abusers were >abused as children themselves. >You wrote about the "physical results of abuse." The results I have seen were >visible and sickening, not illnesses like asthma. >I believe the relation between inept parenting and asthma is the physical >environment the children are raised in. The parents are young, poor, and live >in substandard housing. The rates of childhood asthma in the poorer sections >of the city are atrocious. I remember reading somewhere that cockroaches are a >contributing factor to asthma. >The children of young, poor parents are also likely to have a poor diet and >little or no medical care. Although the parents get food stamps and free >doctor visits and medications, some of them don’t make the effort to feed the >kids properly or take them to the doctor. All of this contributes to poorer >children growing up less healthy than those who are more well off. >If you have any other thoughts on this, I’d like to hear them. How can a bad >childhood cause physical diseases? >Sylvia
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Yes, this is what’s happening to me. Is it reversible when the stress is gone? Carmel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ed hill wrote: > hi sylv > look into hpa axis problems. > if the hpa axis is trashed by repeated emotional trauma, then every little > disturbance hits like acattle prod. > there is no "little suprise" everything is a big deal jump out of your > skin thing. > the body isn’t built to sustain constant fight or flight state. > it takes a toll. > a lot of info is bieg generated on this as the chinese and russian > adoptees grow up here. > the immune system is deeply effected. so is the ability to learn. > moods are all over the place and self care is too. > regards > ed > syl…@aol.com (SYLV77) writes: > >Susan; > ><< It was the first and only time in my life that I SAW the physical > >results of abuse. > >It is absolutely shocking to see these kids.>> > >I have only known a few children that were victims of abuse. The whole idea of > >abusing your own child makes me ill; sadly, I believe that the abusers were > >abused as children themselves. > >You wrote about the "physical results of abuse." The results I have seen were > >visible and sickening, not illnesses like asthma. > >I believe the relation between inept parenting and asthma is the physical > >environment the children are raised in. The parents are young, poor, and live > >in substandard housing. The rates of childhood asthma in the poorer sections > >of the city are atrocious. I remember reading somewhere that cockroaches are a > >contributing factor to asthma. > >The children of young, poor parents are also likely to have a poor diet and > >little or no medical care. Although the parents get food stamps and free > >doctor visits and medications, some of them don’t make the effort to feed the > >kids properly or take them to the doctor. All of this contributes to poorer > >children growing up less healthy than those who are more well off. > >If you have any other thoughts on this, I’d like to hear them. How can a bad > >childhood cause physical diseases? > >Sylvia > — > ———————————————————————– > "The whole business of his life was in the plunder of his gaze…" > Daniel Halevy on Degas > | <include>ed’s 3d stuff | http://world.std.com/~ehill | 617-629-4625 |
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((((Carmel))))) I think so. Take care of yourself though this bad time. All I can tell you is that after about one year after my marriage split up and I *let go*, got my head on straight, I felt better than I had in years…… Read alot (if you can) good books on self-help, a very good one that helped my through,CoDependent No More by Melody Beattie.Boy did I see myself in that book and made me do a reality check. (you remind me of me!) When things get sad and tough, take a few minutes and pray or meditate, take some deep breaths. Stress is a real problem for us MSers. I have kept you in my thoughts and prayers and hope you find peace soon….. 2001 22:53:57 +1000, carmel <car…@cyberwizards.com.au> wrote: >Yes, this is what’s happening to me. Is it reversible when the stress >is gone? >Carmel
– Susan If we weren’t all crazy we would all go insane…… Jimmy Buffet
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hi carmel you might want to consider an anxiolytic for a while to buffer the stress. just a thought. ed – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -carmel <car…@cyberwizards.com.au> writes: >Yes, this is what’s happening to me. Is it reversible when the stress >is gone? >Carmel >ed hill wrote: >> hi sylv >> look into hpa axis problems. >> if the hpa axis is trashed by repeated emotional trauma, then every little >> disturbance hits like acattle prod. >> there is no "little suprise" everything is a big deal jump out of your >> skin thing. >> the body isn’t built to sustain constant fight or flight state. >> it takes a toll. >> a lot of info is bieg generated on this as the chinese and russian >> adoptees grow up here. >> the immune system is deeply effected. so is the ability to learn. >> moods are all over the place and self care is too. >> regards >> ed >> syl…@aol.com (SYLV77) writes: >> >Susan; >> ><< It was the first and only time in my life that I SAW the physical >> >results of abuse. >> >It is absolutely shocking to see these kids.>> >> >I have only known a few children that were victims of abuse. The whole idea of >> >abusing your own child makes me ill; sadly, I believe that the abusers were >> >abused as children themselves. >> >You wrote about the "physical results of abuse." The results I have seen were >> >visible and sickening, not illnesses like asthma. >> >I believe the relation between inept parenting and asthma is the physical >> >environment the children are raised in. The parents are young, poor, and live >> >in substandard housing. The rates of childhood asthma in the poorer sections >> >of the city are atrocious. I remember reading somewhere that cockroaches are a >> >contributing factor to asthma. >> >The children of young, poor parents are also likely to have a poor diet and >> >little or no medical care. Although the parents get food stamps and free >> >doctor visits and medications, some of them don’t make the effort to feed the >> >kids properly or take them to the doctor. All of this contributes to poorer >> >children growing up less healthy than those who are more well off. >> >If you have any other thoughts on this, I’d like to hear them. How can a bad >> >childhood cause physical diseases? >> >Sylvia >> — >> ———————————————————————– >> "The whole business of his life was in the plunder of his gaze…" >> Daniel Halevy on Degas >> | <include>ed’s 3d stuff | http://world.std.com/~ehill | 617-629-4625 | >– >"Don’t wait for a light to appear at the end of the tunnel. >Stride down there and light the bloody thing yourself!" >Web sites at http://www.jaragun.com/ >http://www.geocities.com/peripata/
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Hi Ed! << you might want to consider an anxiolytic for a while to buffer the stress. >> What is an "anxiolytic?" I’ve been under a lot of stress for months. And, as we all know, stress doesn’t help MS at all. TIA, Sylvia
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Valium is an anxiolytic (tranquillizer). There are lots of other similar "chill pills". I use valium, but only when strictly a NECESSITY, because I was addicted to them in the 70’s and have no desire to be back there. No denying they do help you through difficult times – although at the price of some alertness. "Good servants but bad masters". Carmel SYLV77 wrote: > Hi Ed! > << you might want to consider an anxiolytic for a while to buffer the > stress. > What is an "anxiolytic?" I’ve been under a lot of stress for months. And, as > we all know, stress doesn’t help MS at all. > TIA, > Sylvia
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On 8 Oct 2001, SYLV77 wrote: > Hi Ed! > << you might want to consider an anxiolytic for a while to buffer the > stress. > What is an "anxiolytic?" I’ve been under a lot of stress for months. And, as > we all know, stress doesn’t help MS at all.
i’m going where angel’s fear to tread here sylvia. this is really well into the ground beyween you and your doc. but here goes. of the anxiolytics xanax is the big kahoona. i think it’s benzodiazapine. it’s wickedly addictive. but i think that withh some caution it can be a good thing in it’s ability to cut the sharp edge off of our tendency to wrestle self imposed windmills. not to be taken lightly. but a veru useful tool. regards ed > Sylvia >
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I’m a big fan of Xanax, and keep my thirty-tabs per year prescription near at hand (generally disposing of a few unused at the end of the year). I’ll use my flying phobia as an example of how Xanax works (for me) in general: I use a half-tab, maybe a whole whenever I fly because there isn’t enough vodka onboard to get me through without a crying jag. Huge fear, just getting onto a plane. But I do it because it’s the most efficient way to get anywhere. We will inevitably hit some turbulence. That’s when my fear unravels, which is bad enough, but I am unable to gather myself back together. At all. Flight attendants spend an unfortunate amount of time tending to me, which explains why it takes so long for you, fellow traveler, to get service. With Xanax, I am still anxious when we hit turbulence, but when it’s over, it’s over. With a smile, it’s back to the book, audio-CD, in-flight movie, whatever. Not a problem. I disembark relaxed and ready to enjoy the destination. For me, the fear is an issue of control, maybe mixed with claustrophobia, with a large measure of spirited imagination. Meditation is a charming idea, but ineffective. Alcohol and/or Valium make me feel more out of control, therefore more anxious. Xanax proclaims me as Queen Of The World. Similarly, in the world-at-large, some events have the potential to cause me to unravel, but a dose or two of Xanax helps me to quickly gather perspective so that I can manage on my own and without chemistry. Whatever the chemical component, though, Xanax triggers migraines in my migraine-sensitive brain, so for me it would be difficult to overuse or abuse. Still, as a person with MS who can trace exacerbations to stress-overload, it is an appreciated component keeping healthy as possible. (FYI, I will get on a plane, too, in these difficult times. Wanted to take a trip last week, but had forgotten about a wedding over the weekend, and spent the whole week sick with itchy throat and headache anyway. Will try to organize a family visit for this weekend or next.) Best regards, Meg > ed hill wrote: "of the anxiolytics xanax is the big kahoona. i think it’s
benzodiazapine. it’s wickedly addictive. but i think that withh some caution it can be a good thing in it’s ability to cut the sharp edge off of our tendency to wrestle self imposed windmills. not to be taken lightly. but a veru useful tool. regards" <
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There’s times that the original source of the child abuse cannot be addressed. I was abused by both my parents. They both claimed, at one time or another, that their parent/s abused them. Some of this went back at least one more generation. This I *know* because I was an adult with a son of my on when Great-Grandma died. (I was 20 years old.) I followed the abuse on down to my oldest son. I discovered on my own that I was wrong…that the parenting *skills* (?) that I had learned first-hand from my parents. I worked hard at changing my ways. When my oldest son and his wife were expect their first kid, I sat down and explained about how I had treated him and told them of the family history of abuse and I begged him to not carry the curse to another generation. Thank goodness, my oldest son really listened and his boy and girl do not have the abuse lesson to take on down the generations. Another thing I’m thankful for…My middle son (who wasn’t abused but tends to be abusive all by himself) has no intention of ever having kids of his own. As to me dealing with my own stress, my doctor refuses to give me anything but Atarax and I might as well suck on a popsicle. ~*~Barb~*~TOO!
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Thanks Carmel and Ed! I’m on Valium; for muscle spasms and dizziness. I’m sure I’m "addicted," but so what. These medications were made for people who are sick, right? And I was on Xanax about 7 years ago. For anxiousness. My neuro doesn’t believe in it, though, so I had to stop. You’re right, Ed, it is fiercely addictive. After I tapered off, I had no problems. Just don’t suddenly quit this one! Ugh! This is when I learned that you just can’t stop some stuff cold turkey. Sylvia
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"SYLV77" <syl…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20011011170030.21017.00002511@mb-fd.aol.com… > Thanks Carmel and Ed! > I’m on Valium; for muscle spasms and dizziness. I’m sure I’m "addicted," but > so what. These medications were made for people who are sick, right?
You betcha. Taking Valium (a very close relative of Xanax) constantly for any length of time (say, more than a month or two) will bring on some level of physical dependence… the more of it that you take for longer, the more addicted you’ll become. OTOH, as long as the side effects of the stuff aren’t a problem for you, the stuff’s not gonna do alot of harm… takes a hell of a lot of it – taken all in one go – to be properly toxic. My take? If the stuff helps more than it hurts, being addicted to it doesn’t matter a damn until it comes time to stop. When (if) that time comes, just stop very gently (over the course of a few *months*) and you won’t be any the worse for it. — Michael <muirh…@island.net> Peace is not the absence of war, but the universal presence of justice. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And I was on Xanax about 7 years ago. For anxiousness. My neuro doesn’t > believe in it, though, so I had to stop. > You’re right, Ed, it is fiercely addictive. After I tapered off, I had no > problems. Just don’t suddenly quit this one! Ugh! > This is when I learned that you just can’t stop some stuff cold turkey. > Sylvia
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