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What are the figures?

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I’ve been talking to a few people regarding health problems in the UK. We have all come to the conclusion that the UK has the worst record for health problems in the western world. I refer to cases of:                     Epilepsy                     Muscular Sclerosis {sp}                     Athsma I have many friends but only one apart from myself is completely clear of these problems, all of the others have one or more. I’d like to get an updated list of figures for Europe, USA and Canada to see for sure which country is worse. Our belief is that the UK is number 1 in this. But what would you expect from a country who invents a game and then gets beaten by every other country in the world at it :-) Dale Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Asthma…I have many friends but only one apart from myself is completely clear of these problems, all of the others have one or more…I’d like to get an updated list of figures for Europe, USA and Canada to see for sure which country is worse…Our belief is that the UK is number 1 in this. Lancet 1998 Apr 25;351(9111):1225-32 Worldwide variation in prevalence of symptoms of asthma, allergic rhinoconjunctivitis, and atopic eczema: ISAAC. The International Study of Asthma and Allergies in Childhood (ISAAC) Steering Committee. BACKGROUND: Systematic international comparisons of the prevalences of asthma and other allergic disorders in children are needed for better understanding of their global epidemiology, to generate new hypotheses, and to assess existing hypotheses of possible causes. We investigated worldwide prevalence of asthma, allergic rhinoconjunctivitis, and atopic eczema. METHODS: We studied 463,801 children aged 13-14 years in 155 collaborating centres in 56 countries. Children self- reported, through one-page questionnaires, symptoms of these three atopic disorders. In 99 centres in 42 countries, a video asthma questionnaire was also used for 304,796 children. FINDINGS: We found differences of between 20-fold and 60-fold between centres in the prevalence of symptoms of asthma, allergic rhinoconjunctivitis, and atopic eczema, with four-fold to 12-fold variations between the 10th and 90th percentiles for the different disorders. For asthma symptoms, the highest 12- month prevalences were from centres in the ******UK, Australia, New Zealand, and Republic of Ireland, followed by most centres in North, Central, and South America; the lowest prevalences were from centres in several Eastern European countries, Indonesia, Greece, China, Taiwan, Uzbekistan, India, and Ethiopia. For allergic rhinoconjunctivitis, the centres with the highest prevalences were scattered across the world. The centres with the lowest prevalences were similar to those for asthma symptoms. For atopic eczema, the highest prevalences came from scattered centres, including some from Scandinavia and Africa that were not among centres with the highest asthma prevalences; the lowest prevalence rates of atopic eczema were similar in centres, as for asthma symptoms. INTERPRETATION: The variation in the prevalences of asthma, allergic rhinoconjunctivitis, and atopic-eczema symptoms is striking between different centres throughout the world. These findings will form the basis of further studies to investigate factors that potentially lead to these international patterns. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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don't touch peanuts !!

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In article <8cajja$8rak$1@newssvr03- int.news.prodigy.com>, "TERRI HOJABOOM" <mira…@prodigy.net> wrote: >Meg that is all good advice, except asking to identify the child may be >harmful in a way.

snip which bit of: >"Megs (not at home)"

<megan.montgomeryNOmeS…@cableinet.co.uk.invalid> >wrote in message news:0832fd37.3b734a24@usw-ex0104- 032.remarq.com… >> explaining the ban on peanuts in the class and why (not >> necessarily identifying the child concerned).

did you not understand Terri? Or to paraphrase: You don’t have to identify the child Which I expected any intelligent person to infer "this may not be a good idea from".  Whats this, do you want me to explain it to you in words of less than one syllable? BTW, If our dutch reader has problems with anything, he is welcome to e-mail me and I’ll try and say it a bit simpler for him, but *his* standard of English would appear to be better than some of our "english" speaking posters. You expect us to read your posts, why not read ours too – eh? Megan * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Hi, I’m Martin from Holland (so sorry for my bad Englisch) I’ve got a verry important question. My wife is teacher. One of her children is allergic for peanuts. The mother of that child says that touching or smelling peanuts can kill her child. That mother wants my wife to check the bread of all the kidds for peanutbutter. I know some kids can’t stand peanuts, only when they eat peanuts. Is this mother over-reacting or is she just crazy? Thanks, Martin Hoogendoorn

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Hi – The Food Allergy Network has an excellent video and teaching materials that cover exactly your situation:  a child with a life-threatening food allergy in a school situation.  They are on the web at http://foodallergy.org/. I believe all their materials are in English, but they may be of use anyway.  Or they may be able to direct you to resources in your own language. I hope this helps, –Beth Kevles   kev…@mit.edu   http://web.mit.edu/kevles/www/nomilk.html — a page for the milk-allergic

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A couple of days ago the news in Norway said that SAS airlines had stopped having peanuts in their airlines because of the risks of anaphylactic shock and death if they have an allergic traveller. They can die from the fumes. Nora I think, though, that there are two features here that are different from the school lunch scenaria, an aeroplane has, potentially, 400 people opening a bag of peanuts within a very short space of time and the nature of the packaging means that, when you tear it open, it releases a puff of air – containing dust from teh peanuts – into the cabin space.  So the airline has probably made a good decision – FWIW I flew Japan Airlines about 18 months ago and they had already stopped serving peanuts then. Megan Consider also that those peanuts are in all likelihood roasted (more volatile than raw), maybe even freshly roasted, so the aroma or fumes would get around much more than would be the case with a few people eating a few raw peanuts, as I might.  Air inside an airliner tends to be very dry, and there are likely to be a lot of respiratory viruses or other microbes from so many people in a relatively small space.  One can not deal with an adverse reaction as well on an airplane as at home or even school.  So I don’t blame the airline for not serving peanuts, but I hope they don’t allow smoking. They’re by far the commonest cause of food-related anaphylaxis, they are not an essential part of anybody’s diet, and they’re not too difficult to identify and eliminate, that’s why.  It’s an instance when lives can be saved at minimal cost. Cases of peanut-related anaphylaxis include those who eat peanuts, who would greatly outnumber those who suffer anaphylaxis from the mere proximity of peanuts.  Peanuts can be a hidden ingredient in cakes and other breadstuffs, and peanut oil is a potential ingredient in anything prepared with oil or fat. People have a right to know what they’re eating, especially when their life depends on it.  I can safely go through 25# (11.34 kg) raw peanuts in shell in a little over 9 months, and I don’t use peanuts in cooking or roasting.  But I wouldn’t push peanuts on anybody else who would be adversely affected. (Remove -nospam from e-dress)

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I don’t know what school you went to, but up to now I’ve never seen any that served seafood, but I have seen lots of peanuts.  How many schools serve eggs for lunch ? that I no of none.  The reason why "Peanuts are singled out " as you put it, is simply that peanuts is the #1 food allergy killer and that most children love peanuts. I don’t know many kids who actually like eggs. As for the fruits and vegetables that some are allergic to as you just said they have asthma symptoms, they don’t require an adrenaline shot, they need a pump and they will be fine. Allergists say that the only three fatal food allergies are Peanuts, Nuts and Shellfish/Seafood’s. Other foods may have people allergic also but not to the point of causing death. Lizbet "Thomas Mueller" <tmuel…@bluegrass-nospam.net> wrote in message

news:955535369.344806@news.bluegrass.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Okay so you’re one of those who would say, hey if my kid wants to bring a > loaded gun in school and shoot with it he’s allowed right ? because that’s > exactly what you’d be doing playing with a child’s life. By the way did you > know that it’s estimated that more than 8 million Americans suffer from > peanut allergies ? are you willing to kill 8 million people so that one > person can have what they want, when they want it? > Think about it. > Lizbet > Of those 8 million or more Americans who suffer from peanut allergy, the great > majority would not be affected by peanuts in the same room as long as they don’t > eat any.  Eating one peanut would be life-threatening to only a few extreme > cases, though I don’t want to push any peanuts on somebody who is allergic. > Anybody seriously affected by the presence of peanuts in the same room would > have to stay out of supermarkets, restaurants, bakeries, health food stores and > most other stores where food is sold.  Barring everybody from eating peanuts is > too restrictive, and what about other foods whose presence can trigger allergic > reactions, such as eggs and seafood?  If they’re going to ban peanuts because > somebody is allergic, they’ll have to ban a whole lot of other foods too. Some > people suffer asthma symptoms just from being in close proximity to certain > vegetables and fruits as in a supermarket produce display.  So I can’t see any > justification for singling out peanuts. > (Remove -nospam from e-dress)

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Hey I’m not the one who is saying this, if you read any report on food allergies they will say that there are only three allergies that are life threatening Peanuts, Nuts and Shellfish. So It’s not just me saying that peanuts are the worst kind, Allergist who to my knowledge are the specialists of allergies right ? I’ve never seen a school with shellfish and if parents were to give that to their child than, I would say the same damn thing I am about peanuts they can eat it at home not in the school. My daughter has reacted just by the meer presence of peanuts in her surroundings, not because she ate them, not because they were put right under her nose, just because they were near in proximity or someone had eaten something with it. I want my daughter to have a long and happy life, and I know that the worse it yet to come considering what my doctor told me. I didn’t make things up look up any allergy sight and they will say that although other food allergies are a pain they are not as serious as the three previously mentionned. Lizbet

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Okay so you’re one of those who would say, hey if my kid wants to bring a loaded gun in school and shoot with it he’s allowed right ? because that’s exactly what you’d be doing playing with a child’s life. By the way did you know that it’s estimated that more than 8 million Americans suffer from peanut allergies ? are you willing to kill 8 million people so that one person can have what they want, when they want it? Think about it. Lizbet "Nark" <narksu…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:38E99578.E1F9725C@hotmail.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > There are better ways to go about it though than your wife > > having to check everyone’s sandwiches every day though!  You > > could ask the child’s mother (its her job too, not just your > > wife’s) to provide information in the form or a leaflet or > > something describing anaphylactic reactions to food allergies > > and why it is important to have the allergen excluded from her > > child’s environment. > Uhh, not sure which planet you logging in from but this is earth people we’re > talking about. Prohibit other kids from enjoying peanut butter sandwich just > because another kid has allergic reactions to is a form of selfishness, not to > mention you could be sue dearly. Who’s really care if the kid die from inhaling > peanut fume. If the body reacts to such element violently then he/she should > find an alternative learning environment such as: home or special school. And > beside, peanut butter sandwich is a great source of protein for children, beside > baked bean and rice.

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In article <_bAJ4.27031 $y4.942…@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Lizbet" <nopeanutsfo…@usa.net> wrote: >I don’t know what school you went to, but up to now I’ve never seen any that >served seafood, but I have seen lots of peanuts.

Well, my school didn’t serve seafood (the only really did sandwiches) but plenty of kids brought seafood in their lunches! >How many schools serve >eggs for lunch ? that I no of none.

Well, one of the few things my school did serve was a filled roll with egg in it, plus egg and cress sandwiches and scotch eggs.  Plus most of the cakes they served had egg in them.  Not to mention custard.  Are you telling me American schools don’t serve deserts or cakes? >The reason why "Peanuts are singled out >" as you put it, is simply that peanuts is the #1 food allergy killer and >that most children love peanuts. I don’t know many kids who actually like >eggs.

Some weird kids!  I used to love eggs. > As for the fruits and vegetables that some are allergic to as you just >said they have asthma symptoms, they don’t require an

adrenaline shot, they >need a pump and they will be fine. Allergists say that the only three fatal >food allergies are Peanuts, Nuts and Shellfish/Seafood’s. Other foods may >have people allergic also but not to the point of causing death.

Thats rubbish!  Fruit allergies can cause anaphylactic reactions, as can milk and dairy and grains… Hang around in the milk allergy groups for a while and you will see a lot of parents there whose kids are severely, life threateningly, allergic to milk and dairy products, who have had to rush their kids to the hospital after a reaction, who carry epi-pens just like you do.  Whose kids could very really *die* from merely having contact with just a small amount of milk. I don’t doubt the seriousness of peanut allergies, but to see someone put their childs allergy ahead of anothers angers me.  I suspect you wouldn’t be prepared to stop using most bread, most spreads, most cookies, most candy, or most processed foods in a childs lunches because of a milk allergic child in the school. Very few parents would be willing to. I agree with the previous poster, I see no reason to single out peanuts. Megan * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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"Thomas Mueller" <tmuel…@bluegrass-nospam.net> writes:

[ on attempts to get peanuts out of the school environment   when an allergic child is in attendance ] > So I can’t see any justification for singling out peanuts.

They’re by far the commonest cause of food-related anaphylaxis, they are not an essential part of anybody’s diet, and they’re not too difficult to identify and eliminate, that’s why.  It’s an instance when lives can be saved at minimal cost. ========> Email to "jc" at this site; email to "bogus" will bounce. <======== Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/purrhome.html  food intolerance data and recipes, freeware logic fonts for the Macintosh, and Scots traditional music resources

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> Well, one allergist may have said that, but it is possible to be > anaphylactic to many things – this is what my allergist said and he is > a professor at a leading London teaching hospital so I suspect he does > know what he is saying.

I wasn’t referring to only one saying this but many. > Didn’t think of this one yesterday – when I was at school they sold > prawn and mayonaise sandwiches.  Or maybe I am just lying to you.  You > have never seen it, so it doesn’t happen?

Well in good old Canadian school, the best you’ll get is meatloaf otherwise all you have are sandwiches, they don’t have the money to spend on anything more. > OK.  If that is your thinking, I say you should never ever give your > child:  bread, butter, yoghurt, cookies, milk, chocolate, candy, or > anything else containing milk or eggs.

Well my daughter doesn’t east eggs because she doesn’t like them, doesn’t drink milk for the same reason. Unless homemad cannot eat cookies, she cannot eat candy, unless you’re talking about hard candy and she’s not that much of a bread or butter lover. The only thing on your list that she does eat at home mind you is yogourt. > So do the parents whose kids have anaphylactic reactions to the > presence of milk or eggs – do they not have the same rights as your > daughter?

Yes that’s why i’m saying if they cannot find safety in *common* schools then maybe the answer is to seperate them and build them schools where they will be safe. > They certainly can be.  They can be much more dangerous in fact, > because they are harder to detect.  They are lethal.  The kids who are > severely allergic to milk and eggs and hundreds of other things can > die from being near them just as easily as your daughter, yet you are > saying they are not worth as much care as your daughter because she is > peanut allergic and is worth more than a kid who is allergic to other > things.

I never said my daughter’s life is worth more, but it certainly is worth more than to have someone eating a peanut butter sandwiche in school because he/she wants to be a fussy eater. Peanuts are very hard to detect, considering that they are in one form or another in almost every product out there. Lizbet

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Meg that is all good advice, except asking to identify the child may be harmful in a way. We all know how mean kids can be here in the US, but I am sure that this isn’t just present in our children. What happens if children find out who it is and start leaving peanuts or any product containing peanuts around this child? Another solution may be to have the child eat in a seperate room and allow the child to have friends eat with him/her as well, with out going into to much detail, those friends would most likely be more willing to cooperate in the no peanut issue. Then it can become sort of a game as for having a private picnic of such. My nephew has problems and is eating in the class room, the kids (8th grade) get a kick out of it and they get to avoid a lot of their own problems this way as well. Yes I believe the class rooms parents should be notified of a rare and urgent issue, and I agree the parents should have the facts. The odor of the peanut in crushed form would be in the air if the lunches were stored in that class room as well. And although it must be hard on this childs parents to help in this matter, they have to find some ways to work through this as well. The age of this child is not given and this is an issue that is going to have to be addressed each year and in many functions like parties school activities and so on. I wish that family the best of luck. And if all else fails(which sucks because this child deserves an education in the school system) there is always the possibility of home schooling. My thoughts and prayers go out to them and your wife. — Terri,   Professional consultant for optimal health http://shaklee.net/hojaboom_enterprises "Megs (not at home)" <megan.montgomeryNOmeS…@cableinet.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message news:0832fd37.3b734a24@usw-ex0104-032.remarq.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <6h_F4.8413$FF6.173994@zonnet-reader- > 1>, "B.M.Hoogendoorn" <b.m.hoogendo…@zonnet.nl> wrote: > >Hi, I’m Martin from Holland (so sorry for my bad Englisch) > >I’ve got a verry important question. > >My wife is teacher. One of her children is allergic for peanuts. > >The mother of that child says that touching or smelling peanuts > can kill her > >child. > >That mother wants my wife to check the bread of all the kidds > for > >peanutbutter. > >I know some kids can’t stand peanuts, only when they eat > peanuts. > >Is this mother over-reacting or is she just crazy? > Peanut allergy is definitely real and can be very dangerous (as > can lots of other allergies).  Luckily its also far rarer in > Europe than in the US (take not please US readers, before you > all jump down this guy’s throat, its quite reasonable for him to > have not heard of this if he’s Dutch!)  If this child has > anaphylactic reactions to peanuts then yes, the mother is being > quite reasonable (same thing with a child who is anaphylactic to > *anything*).  It is fairly important that peanuts keep out of > the lunch room though (does the class eat lunch in the classroom > or in a lunch room, if the latter is the case, its going to be > quite hard to control, because it means the whole school is > going to need to not have peanut butter!). > There are better ways to go about it though than your wife > having to check everyone’s sandwiches every day though!  You > could ask the child’s mother (its her job too, not just your > wife’s) to provide information in the form or a leaflet or > something describing anaphylactic reactions to food allergies > and why it is important to have the allergen excluded from her > child’s environment.  If she can’t do this (I should hope she is > willing to try) you may well find something on the net, but > you’ll need to translate it of course.  Once you have > information with which to educate the parents (saying "no > peanuts" doesn’t work, the level of awareness in Europe of > peanut allergies is too low) a letter can go home to the parents > explaining the ban on peanuts in the class and why (not > necessarily identifying the child concerned). > Finally and most importantly, this mother sounds like she has > provided not nearly enough information – she is expecting your > wife to do the impossible and ban peanuts altogether and > providing virtual no other information (from what you’ve said). > Your wife needs to ask her how the child reacts to peanuts, what > the first sign of a reaction is, and what needs to be done when > it happens – some kid, sometime if going to have a grandmother > staying and making them peanut butter sandwiches, or something > like that and this could lead to a reaction. > The other thing your wife needs to find out is whether the kid > has an Epi-pen or similar (pen-style syringe with medication to > stop the reaction/control it) and how to use it. > Hope this helps. > Megan > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 07:51:51 GMT, "Lizbet" <nopeanutsfo…@usa.net> wrote:  but then again I might just have mucked up the snipping as usual! >Hey I’m not the one who is saying this, if you read any report on food >allergies they will say that there are only three allergies that are life >threatening Peanuts, Nuts and Shellfish. So It’s not just me saying that >peanuts are the worst kind, Allergist who to my knowledge are the >specialists of allergies right ?

Well, one allergist may have said that, but it is possible to be anaphylactic to many things – this is what my allergist said and he is a professor at a leading London teaching hospital so I suspect he does know what he is saying. Like I said, check out the milk allergy groups if you want to know about parents who have to carry epi-pens in order to save their childs life because they are allergic to milk or egg (both much harder to teach a child to avoid than peanuts).   >I’ve never seen a school with shellfish and >if parents were to give that to their child than,

Didn’t think of this one yesterday – when I was at school they sold prawn and mayonaise sandwiches.  Or maybe I am just lying to you.  You have never seen it, so it doesn’t happen? >I would say the same damn >thing I am about peanuts they can eat it at home not in the school.

OK.  If that is your thinking, I say you should never ever give your child:  bread, butter, yoghurt, cookies, milk, chocolate, candy, or anything else containing milk or eggs. >My >daughter has reacted just by the meer presence of peanuts in her >surroundings, not because she ate them, not because they were put right >under her nose, just because they were near in proximity or someone had >eaten something with it.

So do the parents whose kids have anaphylactic reactions to the presence of milk or eggs – do they not have the same rights as your daughter? >I want my daughter to have a long and happy life, >and I know that the worse it yet to come considering what my doctor told me. >I didn’t make things up look up any allergy sight and they will say that >although other food allergies are a pain they are not as serious as the >three previously mentionned.

They certainly can be.  They can be much more dangerous in fact, because they are harder to detect.  They are lethal.  The kids who are severely allergic to milk and eggs and hundreds of other things can die from being near them just as easily as your daughter, yet you are saying they are not worth as much care as your daughter because she is peanut allergic and is worth more than a kid who is allergic to other things. Megan

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The one food I craved for both of my children were Paydays and the p-nut brittle type. My children are now 24 and 18 and neither of them had a problem with a p-nut allergy. So if this was true maybe I was one of the lucky ones. — Terri,   Professional consultant for optimal health http://shaklee.net/hojaboom_enterprises "Lizbet" <nopeanutsfo…@usa.net> wrote in message

news:FkxH4.4662$p4.162407@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net… > Yes it is true that if while pregnant, a women eats lots of peanuts and

its

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I was told whilst pregnant, women should not eat peanuts or any derivatives as it can lead to the child becoming allergic. Can anyone confirm this is (or is not) true? I was recently diagnosed as being mildly allergic to peanuts, so I am thankful I was warned prior to pregnancy and avoided them.  I love peanut butter too but it is a luxury I now have to forego. Lizbet a

Allergie to products containing milk

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The number of people becoming lactose intolerance seems to be on the rise. I wonder if the additives to the milk may be the real culprits. I know another problem is caused by the mucous effect of the milk. But milk can be linked to migraines. I have a file on migraines that I would be happy to send you if you would like. Best of luck. — Terri,   Professional consultant for optimal health http://shaklee.net/hojaboom_enterprises "TJ" <tim.gar…@callnetuk.com> wrote in message

news:6ikqdss19edap4063q0vs9hisdbpovg6le@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> At the age of 65 my father has recently developed an allegic reaction > to dairy products. Immediately after eating anything containing these > he develops migraines. > We think it may be particularly linked to the protein in dairy > products. > Things that affect him include milk (cow’s and goat’s), cheese, > chocolate. From what i’ve been told, migraines are not a symptom of > lactose intolerance. > Can anyone give me some advice? > Many thanks

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"TERRI HOJABOOM" <mira…@prodigy.net> writes: > "TJ" <tim.gar…@callnetuk.com> wrote: >> At the age of 65 my father has recently developed an allegic reaction >> to dairy products. Immediately after eating anything containing these >> he develops migraines. >> We think it may be particularly linked to the protein in dairy products. > The number of people becoming lactose intolerance seems to be on the > rise.

TJ described milk protein allergy, not lactose intolerance. > I wonder if the additives to the milk may be the real culprits.

They aren’t.  TJ’s father is allergic to all-natural milk protein. Milk has less additives in it than most foods.  The problem is that many people, particularly Americans, drink far too much of it. > I know another problem is caused by the mucous effect of the milk.

Excessive mucus production is a common reaction which is usually due to intolerance of milk *fat*, which is different from either lactose intolerance or protein allergy. > Terri,   Professional consultant for optimal health

Since "professional" means only that you manage to con money out of people, I have no problem believing this self-description. ========> Email to "jc" at this site; email to "bogus" will bounce. <======== Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/purrhome.html  food intolerance data and recipes, freeware logic fonts for the Macintosh, and Scots traditional music resources

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He might want to check for hypertension. Stuff you indicated below contain certain amount of sodium. I too have hypertension and little sodium intake can make my head spin and my face would swell-up. Also, check for kidney disease…excessive sodium level in your body can increase water retention and thus causing lots of pressure on the nerves, this in turn cause migraine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -TJ wrote: > At the age of 65 my father has recently developed an allegic reaction > to dairy products. Immediately after eating anything containing these > he develops migraines. > We think it may be particularly linked to the protein in dairy > products. > Things that affect him include milk (cow’s and goat’s), cheese, > chocolate. From what i’ve been told, migraines are not a symptom of > lactose intolerance. > Can anyone give me some advice? > Many thanks

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At the age of 65 my father has recently developed an allegic reaction to dairy products. Immediately after eating anything containing these he develops migraines. We think it may be particularly linked to the protein in dairy products. Things that affect him include milk (cow’s and goat’s), cheese, chocolate. From what i’ve been told, migraines are not a symptom of lactose intolerance. Can anyone give me some advice? Many thanks

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In article <8btlkl$2hu…@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, "TERRI HOJABOOM" <mira…@prodigy.net> wrote: > To some degree yes but the number of cases with severe lactose problems > are > on the rise. I am willing to bet it is mainly due to the hormones and > other > meds. being fed to the cows.

I am willing to bet that you don’t know whether severe lactose problems are on the rise or not. I am also curious about whether you understand the molecular mechanics of lactose intolerance. Please explain its mechanism to us. Whether you are willing or not to bet on something has nothing to do with its validity. Many people continue to bet on the Cubs.      Larry —

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To some degree yes but the number of cases with severe lactose problems are on the rise. I am willing to bet it is mainly due to the hormones and other meds. being fed to the cows. When I was a child we bought our milk fresh from the local farm. I loved the taste the cream everything about it except for some reason it would bring on asthma symptoms in me and I could no longer drink it. Now I have seen children that are becoming more and more allergic as they get older. And of course it is blaimed on the changing body, but why can’t they see what is really going on? In Maine there are farmers who refuse to add this in their cows feed or give them shots. I suggest that people try their children on this milk, before giving up on the dairy products all together, Many of them have the symptoms disappear and some become moderately allergic. — Terri,   Professional consultant for optimal health http://shaklee.net/hojaboom_enterprises "Larry Preuss" <lpre…@provide.net> wrote in message

news:lpreuss-105767.14023629032000@news.provide.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <8blcdg$b8j…@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, "TERRI > HOJABOOM" <mira…@prodigy.net> wrote:

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In article <8blcdg$b8j…@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, "TERRI HOJABOOM" <mira…@prodigy.net> wrote: > The number of people becoming lactose intolerance seems to be on the > rise. I > wonder if the additives to the milk may be the real culprits. I know > another > problem is caused by the mucous effect of the milk. > But milk can be linked to migraines. > I have a file on migraines that I would be happy to send you if you would > like. > Best of luck. > — > Terri,   Professional consultant for optimal health

Terri, as a "professional," I am sure you know that most of the people in the world are lactose intolerant to some degree.     Lp —

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Paracetamol linked to asthma

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That’s right, and regular use of albuterol worsens the disease as well.  Does anyone know why so many children have asthma now, starting in the early 1980’s, about the time of Reye’s syndrome, and so no kids got aspirin again like we did, and instead got what–paracetamol/acetaminophen/tylenol "take comfort in our strength". Call Mcneil consumer products (the maker of Tylenol and Motrin) and ask them if they ever did a study in children with asthma and fever? And ask them why twice as many kids who got tylenol had asthma attacks in the next thirty days as compared to Motrin?  Then ask why they never published the paper?  Need any more contact me.

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Call Mcneil consumer products (the maker of Tylenol and Motrin) and ask them if they ever did a study in children with asthma and fever? And ask them why twice as many kids who got tylenol had asthma attacks in the next thirty days as compared to Motrin?  

I missed the beginning post on this subject somehow, but my daughter has wheezing when she uses ibuprofen, yest seems to have no problem with tylenol.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Regular use of the painkiller paracetamol may worsen the symptoms of asthma, say scientists. A study suggests that people who take paracetamol every week are almost 80% more likely to have asthma than those who never take the painkiller. Those who take paracetamol every day are more than twice as likely to have asthma. Asthmatics are currently advised to avoid taking another common painkiller aspirin. Doctors also advise against taking non-steroidal inflammatory drugs (NSAIDS). In both cases these drugs can cause severe reactions. Paracetamol has been recommended as a safe alternative.

Read the above very carefully.  Doctors recommend that asthmatics use this painkiller instead of aspirin.  Might this be the reason that asthmatics are more likely to be found using this? What’s next?  Somebody going to discover that asthmatics are more likely to use albuterol than non asthmatics? It’s a terrible responsibility – but somebody has to be the Americans.

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BBC News Tuesday, 21 March, 2000 Paracetamol linked to asthma Regular use of the painkiller paracetamol may worsen the symptoms of asthma, say scientists. A study suggests that people who take paracetamol every week are almost 80% more likely to have asthma than those who never take the painkiller. Those who take paracetamol every day are more than twice as likely to have asthma. Asthmatics are currently advised to avoid taking another common painkiller aspirin. Doctors also advise against taking non-steroidal inflammatory drugs (NSAIDS). In both cases these drugs can cause severe reactions. Paracetamol has been recommended as a safe alternative. Researchers compared the use of aspirin and paracetamol by 664 asthmatics and 910 people without asthma over a period of 12 months. The study participants were aged between 16 and 49, and drawn from 40 general practices in south London. Frequent use of paracetamol was also associated with more severe asthma, and with inflammation of the lining of the nose (rhinitis). Very few asthmatics were taking paracetamol frequently for asthma symptoms. Body changes The authors suggest that frequent use of paracetamol decreases circulating levels of the antioxidant glutathione, high levels of which are found in the lining of the airways and the nose. Glutathione is thought to protect the lungs from the harmful effects of pollutants and free radicals. Free radicals are charged particles that damage the tissues of the body. They are found in high levels in the lungs of asthmatics. The authors warn that their findings should not encourage asthmatics to switch from paracetamol to aspirin or NSAIDS, as this could be dangerous. But they do suggest that, if possible, asthmatics who regularly take paracetamol should try to cut down their use. ‘Adults only’ The National Asthma Campaign issued a statement stressing that the study related to adults only. The statement said: "This study suggests that daily use of paracetamol may be linked to a higher possibility of the worsening of asthma symptoms in adults. "It does not show that paracetamol is linked to any increased chance or risk of developing asthma. "In both children and adults the patient information provided with this type of medication states that it must not be given for more than three days without consulting a doctor. "Always consult your doctor or pharmacist for advice when giving painkillers to your children, especially if they are currently taking any other treatments – either prescribed or over the counter medicines." Aspirin should not be given to children because of the risk of Reye’s syndrome, a rare but potentially fatal condition. The research, by the Department of Public Health Sciences, Guy’s, Kings’ and St Thomas’s School of Medicine, London, is published in the journal Thorax.

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exercise induced asthma question

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Wow, don’t these numbers seem awfully high to you?  I wonder why this is… maybe asthma makes some people work harder to compensate.

for some – yes – but you have to look at the categories in more detail to understand what’s going on. i contacted Weiler for clarification on some of these issues and he chose not to reply, so being very careful about what i 50% of cyclists and mountain bikers.

a very high and prolonged usage of max lung capacity will exacerbate a mild asthmatic problem, plus it’s outdoor, plus it’s on polluted roads/in woods/fields etc. i think you get the picture. one may have expected the figures for asthmatics to be higher in sports which are more suited to the ‘asthma challenge’ such as team and indoor sports and those with rest periods where asthmatics can compete on a much more level footing – however the stats run contrary to that hypothesis – something one small and slightly biased study of my own showed – and without talking to the athletes and trying to understand their almost incomprehensible levels of motivation – you cannot make rash judgements. there is also the issue of non-asthmatic athletes using bronchodilators to improve performance…..but thats a whole different counterproductive argument (and practice IMO) the point is (and in no way is this intended to detract from the superhuman achievements of the true asthmatics that have clawed their way to the top) some of these people may be exhibiting signs of problems that may not bother the average or above average athlete, let alone the man in the street – who all may have mild asthmatic problems, the sheer volume and intensity of training that is required to achieve these heights may be the cause for some – therefore their asthma may not be as bad one might think. if anyone was to challenge me on the issue of my asthma being mild yet exacerbated – i would probably get quite upset – it’s all relative – you cannot judge someone elses position with only your own experiences of asthma as a guide – that’s why more research should be done, in more detail to clarify some of the points i have mentoined and many more besides.  In any case, I know that during the Olympics when I read an article about Tom Dolan (gold medalist) and how he struggled with asthma… it really inspired me to go out and get involved in sports

yes it does doesn’t it – i feel sorry for those athletes who don’t have asthma – steady training for a straight win at the end – too easy – my training’s the best rollercoaster ever ridden – without the downs how could they possibly ever appreciate how sweet the ups truly are. Rich. PS: the text in your post looks strangely familiar jason – where did you get it?

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Hi Bob! Ventolin (corticosteroid inhaler) – 2-4 times daily, 2 puffs.  This helps reduce inflammation.

If I’m not mistaken, and I’m pretty sure that I’m not…Ventolin (albuterol/salbutamol) is a bronchodilator and not a corticosteroid medication. Here’s a link for you to check out if you wish: http://www.lung.ca/asthma/manage/rescue.html#B2 -Taylor

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -1 in 6 of 699 olympic athletes had asthma symptoms 177 or 16.7% had asthma and took meds 73 or 10.4% had active asthma compared to only 7% of the US population who have asthma 30% of asthmatics won team or individual medals compared to only 28.7% of non-asthmatics that won medals What does that tell you? Asthmatic US Olympic Athletes include: 50% of cyclists and mountain bikers. 29.6% of synchronised swimming and swimming. 25.3% of canoe/kayak, rowing and sailing/yachting. 18.2% of track and field and modern pentathlon. 15.6% of boxing, wrestling and judo. 13.5% of archery, equestrian and shooting. 11.1% of diving, fencing, gymnastics, rhythmic gymnastics and weight lifting. 10% of baseball and softball. 8.9% of basketball, field hockey, soccer, team handball and water polo. 7.5% of badminton, beach volleyball, table tennis, tennis and volleyball. (Source: Weiler)

Wow, don’t these numbers seem awfully high to you?  I wonder why this is… maybe asthma makes some people work harder to compensate.  In any case, I know that during the Olympics when I read an article about Tom Dolan (gold medalist) and how he struggled with asthma… it really inspired me to go out and get involved in sports

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Thanks for the timing tips for the serevent and ventolin – I had been using the serevent right before exercise as well as 2-4 puffs of the ventolin – I’ll have to try using the serevent 45 minutes before instead. ~g **** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ****

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Running is just about the worst thing to do when you have exercise induced asthma.  I know, since I’ve been doing this for 25 years, despite the asthma.  Of course, I’m hard-headed and like to run and compete.  On the other hand, I’m convinced that if I were not a fitness fanatic, that my asthma would be much, much worse. Make sure that your athlete is being treated for the asthma.  You can generally run OK with EIA, provided that you take medicine prior to running.  For years, I got by with just 2-4 puffs of Intal powder, and only took the more powerful albuterol drugs before hard track workouts or races.  It is up to the individual. Another thing for the athlete to do is to warm up sufficiently.  If going on a long run, the first 10-15 minutes should be at a very easy pace. I would expect the athlete to have good days and bad days.  Back when I was running in peak form, I consistently ran 70+ miles per week (sometimes up to 100) and ran very hard interval workouts. The asthma seemed to be more of a factor in races, where I was giving a 100% effort and my times weren’t nearly as fast as the training would have indicated. Another thing to consider with an asthmatic runner to making sure that they are choosing the proper event.  The distance events seem to be more troublesome than the sprints.  Right now, I’ve been running 400m and 800m track races, as I’ve been having problems with anything much longer.  Previously, I ran just about anything, with a lot of 10k road races, 10 mile races, and marathons.  The last several years have been tough, as the asthma seems to be progressing, although I’m too stubborn to give up. If the athlete is having a lot of problems and still insists on running, then some of the burden can be relieved by cross-training.  Biking and swimming are very good aerobic exercises and can be done on "rest" days. One thing I’ve noticed is that if I have a bad patch with the asthma during a run, the best thing to do is to modify the workout, walk, etc. If you try to "run through" the asthma, you end up getting really weakened. I’m guilty of doing this on my longer road runs.  Running with a team, there will be pressure to "keep up". Encourage your athlete; many of the greatest Olympians have been asthmatic and managed to get through it.  Jim Ryun (former US mile record holder) had asthma, for example.  Of course, everyone knows about Jackie-Joyner Kersee. Here are my medications: Serevent – Twice per day, 2 puffs.  I time it 45 minutes before running for maximum effect.  This is a very good drug. albuterol – 2 puffs before stretching prior to a run.  Then 2 more puffs before exercise.  I was taking MaxAir (pirbuterol), instead, but had to change over to regular albuterol, as I built up resistance to the MaxAir. I believe that if the athlete can get by without the albuterol, they should, or at best, save it for races and hard workouts. Intal – 2-4 puffs before running. Singulair – One tablet at night.  I’m skeptical that this is helping; I’ve been on it for about 9 months. Ventolin (corticosteroid inhaler) – 2-4 times daily, 2 puffs.  This helps reduce inflammation. I also have started allergy shots once a week (they give me 3 injections). During my peak running years, I was on allergy shots and maybe they helped. I’m also taking an antihistimine, Zertec, about an hour before running, although sometimes I don’t take it.  I’ve only been doing this for about a month.  It might be helping, but I’m not certain. Overmedication can be a problem.  Too much albuterol will make you "wired" and can make some people anxious.  I tend to get this way after a race or hard workout, where I’ve taken extra albuterol.  Although you wouldn’t recommend this to a teenager, what I end up doing is drinking a couple of beers to help with this and it works fine for me. A  good source of infomation is the book "Asthma and Exercise" by Nancy Hogshead.  It might be out of print, but this book is the best one I’ve ever read about exercise induced asthma Hope this helps… Bob Duncan (age 47) Madison, AL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If a teenager has exercise induced asthma and is participating in sports are there limitations placed on the athlete because of this condition?  If a team is training and running long distances is the athlete expected to participate as well?  What should my expectations be as her coach?

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If a teenager has exercise induced asthma and is participating in sports are there limitations placed on the athlete because of this condition?  If a team is training and running long distances is the athlete expected to participate as well?  What should my expectations be as her coach?

A teenager should be well aware of the limitations caused by her asthma.  Have a frank talk with her about them.  I would assume that she is premedicating, and has a PFM.  With proper care and monitoring, she should be able to fully participate in any aspect of the sport. The two most important things to remember: 1.  Don’t hassle her if she can’t perform because she can’t breathe. Doing some variation on the ‘come on, you wimp’ number is NOT a Good Idea. 2.  Don’t let her push herself beyond her real limits.  If she is having trouble breathing, don’t let her participate that day just because she really, really wants to do so. Chris Owens

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If a teenager has exercise induced asthma and is participating in sports are there limitations placed on the athlete because of this condition?

All I would have to say is to make sure you or the kids on your team don’t make the girl with asthma feel guilty for sitting out or pressure her at all to play when she shouldn’t. I’ve had some bad experience with a team and coach I played on.  I developed asthma while I was out of town with my team at a national tournament last summer.  I woke up during the middle of the night and felt as if I was suffocating and I couldn’t breathe when I was laying down.  I figured I just had bronchitis because I had had it a lot in the winter.  Well I could barely even talk.  I didn’t find out it was asthma until the afternoon but I had already used a nebulizer in the morning because a parent had one there and the doctor said it was okay.  The mother of a daughter on the team was a doctor and listend to my back and told me I had asthma.  Needless to say with all of the new meds my body went crazy and I was completely disorientated and almost fainted but of course I was expected to and did play.  The doctor sat on the bench and listened to my back at every chance possible.  People could hear me wheezing from 20 feet away.  Somehow I played unbelieveably well.  But anyhow that night I stayed with my parents in a different hotel in their room because I had to use the nebulizer during the middle of the night and I had no idea how to use it.  Plus my parents wanted to watch over me to make sure I didn’t get worse.  My coach belittled me and has called me a baby because I stayed in my parents room and not in a room with my team.  I had extremely limited knowledge on asthma and was afraid that the possibility was there that my asthma could get worse during the middle of the night and that I could die.  I never have and never will forgive my coach…

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If a teenager has exercise induced asthma and is participating in sports are there limitations placed on the athlete because of this condition?

it is difficult to say without a proper diagnosis and experience of her training. but properly treated and coupled with smart training ie warm-up and warm down involving submaximal leading to maximal intensity training during those warm-ups there is no reason why a reasonably fit ashmatic cannot compete on a level footing with a non-asthmatic.(see below) If a team is training and running long distances is the athlete expected to participate as well?

if she wants to – yes. but bear in mind that running outdoors is the most asthmogenic form of exercise – she needs to be aware of her limits and to be able to recognise the onset of an asthma episode – it is important to note that exercise-induced asthma(EIA) attacks cannot be trained thru like a stitch – stopping and using rescue meds is very important, and if symptoms persist seek medical attention. What should my expectations be as her coach? exclusion is probably the worst thing that can happen to a young asthmatic – it is very important that she be allowed to perform to the best of her ability. A 1996 report by Weiler on Asthmatic Olympic Athletes produced some interesting findings: 1 in 6 of 699 olympic athletes had asthma symptoms 177 or 16.7% had asthma and took meds 73 or 10.4% had active asthma compared to only 7% of the US population who have asthma 30% of asthmatics won team or individual medals compared to only 28.7% of non-asthmatics that won medals What does that tell you? Asthmatic US Olympic Athletes include: 50% of cyclists and mountain bikers. 29.6% of synchronised swimming and swimming. 25.3% of canoe/kayak, rowing and sailing/yachting. 18.2% of track and field and modern pentathlon. 15.6% of boxing, wrestling and judo. 13.5% of archery, equestrian and shooting. 11.1% of diving, fencing, gymnastics, rhythmic gymnastics and weight lifting. 10% of baseball and softball. 8.9% of basketball, field hockey, soccer, team handball and water polo. 7.5% of badminton, beach volleyball, table tennis, tennis and volleyball. (Source: Weiler) Weiler said and I could not agree more strongly: "this study tells young athletes that asthma should not prevent them from competing in sports or even having the goal to win an Olympic medal.Medicines are now available that may allow asthmatic athletes to compete without disability." here are a few useful titbits : Storms & Joyner (1997) argue "subthreshold exercise" warm-up before regular workouts are effective. This is exercise starting with stretching and walking building up to just below maximum level for 8-10 minutes. Disabella and Sherman (1998a) argue asthmatics should consult a doctor before beginning an exercise programme. For chronic or persistent asthma control prescribed medications should be taken as directed, reporting any problems. Even with well-controlled asthma EIA can develop without taking precautions before exercise: Warm up with 10 minutes of stretching or light activity. Avoid exercising in cold, dry air, workout indoors in winter, if outside cover your mouth and nose with a scarf or mask to warm the air. If the doctor recommends it prepare exercise with 2 puffs of a beta-agonist 15 minutes beforehand, this will keep airways open and prevent EIA. After exercise cool down gradually with10-15 minutes of lighter activity, like walking or stretching. Avoid stopping exercise abruptly to minimise sudden changes in airway temperature. Disabella and Sherman(1998b) recommend sub-threshold warm-ups of 20-30 minutes exercising 4-5 times per week at 60-85% of maximum heart rate(maximum is roughly 220 minus your age), or seven 30 second sprints separated by short intervals, or 15 minutes at 60% of VO2 max., followed by 2 puffs of a short-acting beta-agonist protecting against EIA for 2-6 hours. Cochrane & Clarke(1990) agree and argue reductions in airway responsiveness, fewer attacks, less medication and thus less absences from work or school can result. If symptoms develop during exercise, individuals should not try and push through them, rather stop, take 2 more puffs of beta-agonist and if symptoms persist after 15-20 minutes seek medical help. Individuals should not exercise on days when symptoms are prominent, avoid areas of high pollution such as roads and industrial areas, when pollen and pollution counts are high exercise indoors, vary the routine to keep things interesting, as a psychological incentive exercise with others is more fun and harder to skip when it is a social event. here are a few sites that can help you to further understand – i particularly like: http://www.physsportsmed.com/ search around for exercise-induced asthma here are a few others: Allergy and Asthma Magazine (Professional Edition) Exercise-Induced Asthma by William W. Storms, M.D. http://www.health-line.com/articles/ap930006.htm Asthma and Exercise Dave Nowosielski’s Home Page. A personal but informative view. http://nimbus.ocis.temple.edu/~dnowosie/ Asthma Common in U.S. Olympic Athletes University of Iowa College of Medicine article on athletes participating in the 1996 Olympic Games. http://www.newswise.com/articles/1998/11/OLYMPICS.UIM.html Ask Mom MD – Asthma Friendly Activities More from Health & Healing’s Doctor Karen M. Kaplan, M.D. http://www.healthyideas.com/children/mom/activities.html Canadian Lung Association Asthma & Exercise, Exercise-Induced Bronchospasm (EIB) http://www.lung.ca/asthma/exercise/index.html Canadian Lung Association What do the following athletes have in common? http://www.lung.ca/asthma/exercise/athletes.html Dolan to talk about asthma Olympic swimmer Tom Dolan, by Peter Brensilver, for the Michigan Daily Online. http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1996/oct/10-16-96/sports/sports5.html Exercise and Asthma Tripod’s Ask the Doctors, advice on winter time exercise induced asthma. http://www.tripod.com/explore/health_fitness/ask_doc/fitness/960118ex… sthma.html JAMA Asthma – Asthma Information Center Blocking Effect of Vitamin C in Exercise-Induced Asthma http://www.ama-assn.org/special/asthma/library/scan/oa6245a.htm MDI use for EIA in Young Athletes American Academy of Pediatrics article on Exercise-Induced Asthma. http://www.aap.org/policy/00301.html Should Asthmatics Not Scuba Dive? If you dive, read this, its important! http://www.mtsinai.org/pulmonary/books/scuba/asthma.htm Sympatico: Running Partner – Spence Dickson A Story of Triumph over asthma. http://www.yt.sympatico.ca/Features/Marathon/dickson.html Teens, Sports, and Exercise-Induced Asthma Extensive article from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, one of the best EIA articles around. http://www.fda.gov/opacom/catalog/ots_asth.html United States Olympic Committee Their list of approved drugs an athlete can take and still compete (includes notification form). http://www.olympic-usa.org/inside/in_1_3_7_9.html Warm-up before Exercise Good advice from Muscle and Fitness Magazine http://www.muscle-fitness.com/musclefitness/archives/library/Apr1995p60/

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If a teenager has exercise induced asthma and is participating in sports are there limitations placed on the athlete because of this condition?  If a team is training and running long distances is the athlete expected to participate as well?  What should my expectations be as her coach?

Here’s a link from the Lung Association (Canada): http://www.lung.ca/asthma/exercise/index.html   Asthma and Exercise (PE Teachers, Canada) Excerpt: "There are several facts to be realized about asthma and exercise.        Asthma is in fact a common but serious condition.        If asthma is well controlled with appropriate treatment  exercise does not need to be avoided or limited.        Having asthma does not mean you cannot exercise. Many  well-known athletes have managed their asthma to successfully  compete in their chosen sports.          1.Exercise-Induced Bronchospasm          2.Symptoms of EIB          3.Stages of EIB          4.Factors that Influence EIB          5.Reducing EIB          6.The Value of Exercise          7.Role of the Coach " http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/1998/06jun/dis_pa.htm Your Guide to Exercising With Asthma Excerpt: "Exercise-induced asthma. Even if your asthma is  well-controlled, you may develop coughing, shortness of  breath, chest pain, or nausea if you exercise without  taking precautions. But several simple steps can prevent  this exercise-induced asthma:       Warm up with 10 minutes of stretching or light  activity (like walking) before you work out more strenuously.       Avoid exercising in cold, dry air. You’ll probably have  less trouble in the winter if you work out indoors. If you  are active outside, cover your mouth and nose with a scarf or  breathing mask to warm the air you breathe.       If your doctor recommends it, prepare for exercise with  two puffs of a beta-agonist inhaler 15 minutes before you  exercise. This will keep your airways open and prevent symptoms.       After exercise, cool down gradually with 10 to 15 minutes  of lighter activity, like walking or stretching." Copyright (C) 1998. The McGraw-Hill Companies. All Rights Reserved Ellis

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If a teenager has exercise induced asthma and is participating in sports are there limitations placed on the athlete because of this condition?  If a team is training and running long distances is the athlete expected to participate as well?  What should my expectations be as her coach?

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I have asthma and I coached soccer and once had an asthmatic girl on the team. Asthmatic kids today can manage their disease.  In her case, she knew when she had too much, when to take medicine, and when to take herself out of the game. This particular girl played goal keeper.  I would occasionally take her out of goal and put her in defense, where she would not be expected to  have to run as fast or as much as an offensive player.  (I also had to deal with an over-protective parent who only wanted his daughter to play goal). She was an asset to the team and I know she got a lot out of the program.

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If a teenager has exercise induced asthma and is participating in sports are there limitations placed on the athlete because of this condition?  If a team

It depends on when and how the asthma is triggered.  It also depends on how well their medication will control/prevent/treat an attack. The teen’s physician is probably the best source of info, though ideally the teen would be informed enough about her condition and know enough about her body to now what her limitations are. I ran cross country throughout high school, with asthma that was triggered by it, and I knew how far I could go and when I had to stop or slow down.  There were days when I just could not practise, races when I had to stop running and just walk to the end — even with proper pre-medication. Usually there are some kinds of limitations, but it may be dsomething as simple as she has to premedicate before exercise, have an inhaler immediately accesible, and stop if a full-blown attack starts. is training and running long distances is the athlete expected to participate as well?  What should my expectations be as her coach?

It depends on whether or not she is able to.  I can run 3-5 miles indoors on a treadmill without any asthma symptoms.  I am hard-pressed to do much more than a quarter mile outside.  So there are alternatives available.  If pre-medication works well, she shouldn’t have any problems with LD running. The best solution is to sit down with her [and perhaps her parents, and perhaps consult with her MD, even if thorugh a letter] and talk with her.  Find out what her limits are, what she does to treat the EIA. Also, educate yourself about what to do if she does go into an attack. How do you recognize it? How do you know when she needs emergency medical help?  Where are her meds? How are they taken?  How much? Which ones? SW.

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Spam for asthma?

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I get bad side effects from Singulair and Theophylline, so I keep trying foods to lessen my asthma symptoms. Periodically eating a small slice of Spam and a few chunks of pineapple is keeping me from having to use my epinephrine inhaler and tabasco sauce. V.T. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s the Spam that’s helping me more now. The tomato effect is now accomplished by canned pineapple chunks. I ate one fresh tomato a day. But the effect from tomatoes and pineapples may be due to the natural acids that shrink membranes for TEMPORARY relief from asthma. I only eat a relatively small amount of Spam periodically these days. There is a definite improvement in my symptoms. I’m wondering if the health food movement [rather than the worsening air pollution] is partially responsible for the increase in asthma in the U.S. I’m not sure if mothers are feeding their children more veggies and less animal fat as most health food diets recommend. I’m also wondering if there are differences in the occurrence of asthma between races and cultures that eat differing amounts of animal fat. Of course if animal fat is increased in one’s diet, one must be wary of possible artery clogging. I’ve taken very small amounts of aspirin everyday for about twenty years now. V.T. how many tomatoes due you have to eat to find that they help alleviate the symptoms, or it what form should they be ingested for best results… curious Tom Before, I found that tomatoes partially relieved my asthma symptoms. Now I find that Spam [not SPAM] partially does the same. I’ve been on a low salt or animal fat diet for years. Could that have caused much of my recent asthma problems? If necessary, I still use an epinephrine inhaler and tabasco sauce–and lying down also helps. V.T.

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If SPAM relieved asthma, we’d all be in pretty good shape!  :-) I wonder–did you maybe add something to your diet when you cut out meat and salt that you were allergic to, and that you’re not eating again now?

No…nothing new was added to my diet. I must say that in addition to the measurable abatement of my asthma symptoms, I’m also enjoying my food more. :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just a thought. Before, I found that tomatoes partially relieved my asthma symptoms. Now I find that Spam [not SPAM] partially does the same. I’ve been on a low salt or animal fat diet for years. Could that have caused much of my recent asthma problems? If necessary, I still use an epinephrine inhaler and tabasco sauce–and lying down also helps.

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how many tomatoes due you have to eat to find that they help alleviate the symptoms, or it what form should they be ingested for best results… curious Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Before, I found that tomatoes partially relieved my asthma symptoms. Now I find that Spam [not SPAM] partially does the same. I’ve been on a low salt or animal fat diet for years. Could that have caused much of my recent asthma problems? If necessary, I still use an epinephrine inhaler and tabasco sauce–and lying down also helps. V.T.

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It’s the Spam that’s helping me more now. The tomato effect is now accomplished by canned pineapple chunks. I ate one fresh tomato a day. But the effect from tomatoes and pineapples may be due to the natural acids that shrink membranes for TEMPORARY relief from asthma. I only eat a relatively small amount of Spam periodically these days. There is a definite improvement in my symptoms. I’m wondering if the health food movement [rather than the worsening air pollution] is partially responsible for the increase in asthma in the U.S. I’m not sure if mothers are feeding their children more veggies and less animal fat as most health food diets recommend. I’m also wondering if there are differences in the occurrence of asthma between races and cultures that eat differing amounts of animal fat. Of course if animal fat is increased in one’s diet, one must be wary of possible artery clogging. I’ve taken very small amounts of aspirin everyday for about twenty years now. V.T. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – how many tomatoes due you have to eat to find that they help alleviate the symptoms, or it what form should they be ingested for best results… curious Tom Before, I found that tomatoes partially relieved my asthma symptoms. Now I find that Spam [not SPAM] partially does the same. I’ve been on a low salt or animal fat diet for years. Could that have caused much of my recent asthma problems? If necessary, I still use an epinephrine inhaler and tabasco sauce–and lying down also helps. V.T.

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Before, I found that tomatoes partially relieved my asthma symptoms. Now I find that Spam [not SPAM] partially does the same. I’ve been on a low salt or animal fat diet for years. Could that have caused much of my recent asthma problems? If necessary, I still use an epinephrine inhaler and tabasco sauce–and lying down also helps. V.T.

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That’s funny.  Did you know that Hawaii consumes about 85% of the World production of Spam.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Before, I found that tomatoes partially relieved my asthma symptoms. Now I find that Spam [not SPAM] partially does the same. I’ve been on a low salt or animal fat diet for years. Could that have caused much of my recent asthma problems? If necessary, I still use an epinephrine inhaler and tabasco sauce–and lying down also helps. V.T.

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If SPAM relieved asthma, we’d all be in pretty good shape!  :-) I wonder–did you maybe add something to your diet when you cut out meat and salt that you were allergic to, and that you’re not eating again now?   Just a thought. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Before, I found that tomatoes partially relieved my asthma symptoms. Now I find that Spam [not SPAM] partially does the same. I’ve been on a low salt or animal fat diet for years. Could that have caused much of my recent asthma problems? If necessary, I still use an epinephrine inhaler and tabasco sauce–and lying down also helps.

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RSV

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Beg to differ, just last week had my 4yo in the er with wheezing, fever, cough and rapid breathing. They did an RSV test which came back positive. There was no ear infection to cause the fever, however x-rays revealed possible pneumonia, which could have caused the fever, but that was never confirmed by the radiologist. Granted this 4yo may have been more susceptible as he was born prematurely, and there is history of asthma in the family.  But there are cases of RSV in older children as well. Lori

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what is RSV? saw. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Beg to differ, just last week had my 4yo in the er with wheezing, fever, cough and rapid breathing. They did an RSV test which came back positive. There was no ear infection to cause the fever, however x-rays revealed possible pneumonia, which could have caused the fever, but that was never confirmed by the radiologist. Granted this 4yo may have been more susceptible as he was born prematurely, and there is history of asthma in the family.  But there are cases of RSV in older children as well. Lori

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   I would double check with whoever diagnosed your daughter with RSV. I am a respiratory therapist in a childrens hospital, and have never seen RSV in a child over three years of age. Also, when I see RSV where I work, it is usually not accompanied by a fever. If you have anymore questions please don’t hesitate to ask.

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Respiratory Syncial Virus (RSV) is one of the more bothersome respiratory viruses. The infection is characterized by copious nasal secretions and chest congestion, with consequent cough, and low grade fever. It causes diffuse injury to lung tissue leading to an "atypical" pneumonia type of appearance of chest x-ray (typical pneumonia would be all in one place in the chest). It used to be thought that it was only caught by small children, frequently causing wheezing and hospitalization in babies. We now know that adults do get it but they have a milder syndrome. Due to the diffuse inflammation in the lungs it is particularly prone to triggering asthma symptoms. The worst part is that it typically can last for 3-6 weeks before the symptoms resolve with some residual wheezing lasting for months. There are a few treatments on the market but none that are particularly effective. For all but a few high risk babies the treatment is to just gut it out and manage the asthma as best you can. — Good Luck, CBI, M.D. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been away from the newsgroup for a while, I’m moving and haven’t set up a computer at my new home yet, but need any information as soon as possible regarding RSV, Respiratory Syncytial Virus. I’m not looking for web links, I’ve explored dozens of them already, but personal experiences with this in a child (or adult) who also has asthma. My daughter, age 9, has been out of school for over a week and was finally diagnosed with RSV. She has had off and on symptoms of fever, vomitting, and non-stop coughing. The coughing is the worst, and it really is not an asthma cough. Her pediatrician is out of the office this week, but she saw another doctor at the clinic who prescribed prednisone burst for 3 days, even though he said it is not asthma. She is drinking plenty of fluids (she usually doesn’t when she feels sick, even though we push them on her), getting plenty of rest, but this thing just won’t go away. She’s on day 8 or 9 with it. More than once we thought she was improving, only to find the fever back in the morning and coughing returning every couple hours. HELP! Linda F.

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You have it exactly wrong. Prednisone is best used in short bursts to stop an attack in progress. While it is sometimes used for long periods of time, this is where most of the worst side effects are seen. For this reason long term use is avoided when possible. — Good Luck, CBI, M.D.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been away from the newsgroup for a while, I’m moving and haven’t set up a computer at my new home yet, but need any information as soon as possible regarding RSV, Respiratory Syncytial Virus. I’m not looking for web links, I’ve explored dozens of them already, but personal experiences with this in a child (or adult) who also has asthma. My daughter, age 9, has been out of school for over a week and was finally diagnosed with RSV. She has had off and on symptoms of fever, vomitting, and non-stop coughing. The coughing is the worst, and it really is not an asthma cough. Her pediatrician is out of the office this week, but she saw another doctor at the clinic who prescribed prednisone burst for 3 days, even though he said it is not asthma. She is drinking plenty of fluids (she usually doesn’t when she feels sick, even though we push them on her), getting plenty of rest, but this thing just won’t go away. She’s on day 8 or 9 with it. More than once we thought she was improving, only to find the fever back in the morning and coughing returning every couple hours. HELP! Linda F. I hesitate to answer here because I do see differing opinions sometimes.  I do have asthma.  I don’t understand doctors who prescribe prednisone, or steroids, for an actual asthma attack, or possible asthma attack.  Prednisone as I understand it is a treatment to be taken over a long period of time.  Prednisone, and maybe someone can prove different, is not going to stop an actual asthma attack in process. I will only tell you what happened to me with coughing.  I was coughing, coughing, coughing, one night a few years ago.  I thought I was probably bothering the neighbors.   I did not know if I had a cold or asthma.  I forget the actual sequence.  I think I went to the doctor.  Anyway I started taking my asthma medicine, arbiturol, which is for an actual attack of asthma.  My coughing went away. I could not really tell what was causing the cough.  I made up my mind that any time I was confused between a cold and asthma I was going to treat myself for asthma.  I am just telling my own experience.  You may need another doctor for a second opinion.  I get the feeling that all doctors do not get enough experience with asthma.  Please do not just read this.  Find out all you can.  I see the very real possibility of myself, or anyone with asthma, having an attack of asthma along with other medical problems at the same time. People are going to suffer from asthma if they only take steroids to stop an actual asthma attack.  As I said to start I hesitate to post here. Lester Tinnin

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in baltimore, they declared an emergency.  all avalilable pediatric hopspital beds were full because of this rsv thing  a guy from johns hopkins made the annoucement/   this was about 4 weeks ago.   i was in the hospital too, in philly.

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I hesitate to answer here because I do see differing opinions sometimes.  I do have asthma.  I don’t understand doctors who prescribe prednisone, or steroids, for an actual asthma attack, or possible asthma attack.  Prednisone as I understand it is a treatment to be taken over a long period of time.  Prednisone, and maybe someone can prove different, is not going to stop an actual asthma attack in process.

No, it isn’t.  Short-term, fast-acting bronchodilators are used for that.  Steroids, oral and inhaled, are used to quell the underlying inflammation that causes the asthma attacks.  So, you need both. Chris Owens

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Please allow me to plead ignorance– What exactly is RSV?  I’ve been hearing a lot about it lately on this group but am just not familiar with the acronym.  Could somebody put some light on this?

Respiratory syncitial virus.  As the name implies, it tends to infect lung tissue; where it causes fusion of several cells into a giant, multinuclear cell [a syncitium].  Virally-induced syncitial cells [there are some natural syncitial cells] generally don’t work too well at whatever their original function happened to be.  This reduces lung function.  The viral infection also invokes an immune response which causes localized inflammation.  Neither of these is great for an asthmatic. Chris Owens

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While the value of inhaled steroids is almost entirely as a long-term treatment (not to stop an asthma attack, but to prevent future attacks), oral steroids (such as prednisone) can indeed be used for more immediate flareups.  Well, maybe not for a direct severe attack, but for a bout of ongoing trouble… when I took a short, high-dosage course of Prednisone for my recent exacerbation, I felt results within a couple of hours of the first dose.  It really was rather remarkable. (Took another day or two for the side effects to kick in.) Of course, a short, high-dosage "burst" is very different from a lower-dosage maintenance regimen, too.

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While the value of inhaled steroids is almost entirely as a long-term treatment (not to stop an asthma attack, but to prevent future attacks), oral steroids (such as prednisone) can indeed be used for more immediate flareups.  Well, maybe not for a direct severe attack, but for a bout of ongoing trouble… when I took a short, high-dosage course of Prednisone for my recent exacerbation, I felt results within a couple of hours of the first dose.  It really was rather remarkable. (Took another day or two for the side effects to kick in.) Of course, a short, high-dosage "burst" is very different from a lower-dosage maintenance regimen, too.

In the late 1940s I went to an emergency room.  I was no worse than sometimes before, or after that, but I did not have a regular doctor.  The doctor gave me a shot of adrenilin in the arm.  Of course that operates thru the bloodstream, the long way around.  But the results are very fast.  They also gave me some pills which I have never seen again.  They went under the tongue and were very nice tasting.  They disolved under the tongue. When I was taking over the counter asthma drugs they always started to give results within an hour.  They got rid of the asthma in not too long a time.  Of course it was only until the next flareup.  After the asthma and wheezing had went away I sort of felt like a limp rag.  They did something, maybe relaxed a person.  Coffee is a very mild form of the same kind of drugs. We still live in a strange world.  The last time I used an over the counter drug for asthma was about 5 years ago.  I bought it at the drugstore in the hospital next to my doctor’s office.  It was a branch of the same drugstore that I took my doctor’s prescriptions to.  The drugs worked the slow way through the bloodstream, and probably hard on the system, but they worked. They worked within about an hour.  There was never a time that they did not work. Lester Tinnin

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I hesitate to answer here because I do see differing opinions sometimes.  I do have asthma.  I don’t understand doctors who prescribe prednisone, or steroids, for an actual asthma attack, or possible asthma attack.  Prednisone as I understand it is a treatment to be taken over a long period of time.  Prednisone, and maybe someone can prove different, is not going to stop an actual asthma attack in process.

Asthma is an inflammatory disease of the airways.  If you do not treat the inflammation you are going to have the symptoms return as soon as the albuterol wears off. This is why you generally get both the bronchodilators (solve the immediate problem) and steroids (keep the problem from returning) if you have to go to the ER. "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits." Einstein

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Please allow me to plead ignorance– What exactly is RSV?  I’ve been hearing a lot about it lately on this group but am just not familiar with the acronym.  Could somebody put some light on this? Thanks

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been away from the newsgroup for a while, I’m moving and haven’t set up a computer at my new home yet, but need any information as soon as possible regarding RSV, Respiratory Syncytial Virus. I’m not looking for web links, I’ve explored dozens of them already, but personal experiences with this in a child (or adult) who also has asthma. My daughter, age 9, has been out of school for over a week and was finally diagnosed with RSV. She has had off and on symptoms of fever, vomitting, and non-stop coughing. The coughing is the worst, and it really is not an asthma cough. Her pediatrician is out of the office this week, but she saw another doctor at the clinic who prescribed prednisone burst for 3 days, even though he said it is not asthma. She is drinking plenty of fluids (she usually doesn’t when she feels sick, even though we push them on her), getting plenty of rest, but this thing just won’t go away. She’s on day 8 or 9 with it. More than once we thought she was improving, only to find the fever back in the morning and coughing returning every couple hours. HELP! Linda F.

I hesitate to answer here because I do see differing opinions sometimes.  I do have asthma.  I don’t understand doctors who prescribe prednisone, or steroids, for an actual asthma attack, or possible asthma attack.  Prednisone as I understand it is a treatment to be taken over a long period of time.  Prednisone, and maybe someone can prove different, is not going to stop an actual asthma attack in process. I will only tell you what happened to me with coughing.  I was coughing, coughing, coughing, one night a few years ago.  I thought I was probably bothering the neighbors.   I did not know if I had a cold or asthma.  I forget the actual sequence.  I think I went to the doctor.  Anyway I started taking my asthma medicine, arbiturol, which is for an actual attack of asthma.  My coughing went away. I could not really tell what was causing the cough.  I made up my mind that any time I was confused between a cold and asthma I was going to treat myself for asthma.  I am just telling my own experience.  You may need another doctor for a second opinion.  I get the feeling that all doctors do not get enough experience with asthma.  Please do not just read this.  Find out all you can.  I see the very real possibility of myself, or anyone with asthma, having an attack of asthma along with other medical problems at the same time.   People are going to suffer from asthma if they only take steroids to stop an actual asthma attack.  As I said to start I hesitate to post here. Lester Tinnin

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I have been away from the newsgroup for a while, I’m moving and haven’t set up a computer at my new home yet, but need any information as soon as possible regarding RSV, Respiratory Syncytial Virus. I’m not looking for web links, I’ve explored dozens of them already, but personal experiences with this in a child (or adult) who also has asthma. My daughter, age 9, has been out of school for over a week and was finally diagnosed with RSV. She has had off and on symptoms of fever, vomitting, and non-stop coughing. The coughing is the worst, and it really is not an asthma cough. Her pediatrician is out of the office this week, but she saw another doctor at the clinic who prescribed prednisone burst for 3 days, even though he said it is not asthma. She is drinking plenty of fluids (she usually doesn’t when she feels sick, even though we push them on her), getting plenty of rest, but this thing just won’t go away. She’s on day 8 or 9 with it. More than once we thought she was improving, only to find the fever back in the morning and coughing returning every couple hours. HELP! Linda F.

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Flovent

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I have been put on Flovent and taken off of Becloforte and Prednisone also cut back on Uniphyl from 800mg to 600mgs.  4 weeks clean of prednisone and hoping for more.  Has anyone experienced any side effects from Flovent?

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I have been put on Flovent and taken off of Becloforte and Prednisone also cut back on Uniphyl from 800mg to 600mgs.  4 weeks clean of prednisone and hoping for more.  Has anyone experienced any side effects from Flovent?

Corticosteroid inhalers like Flovent and Becloforte may have significent side effects at Moderate or High doses; in general they are lower than those of prednisone. Flovent is fluticasone; it seems to be more effective than the older med Becloforte (beclomethasone). A spacer like an AeroChamber should be used with MDI corticosteroid inhalers to minimize overspray and side effects. Gargle and rinse mouth with water. Here are links: http://www.ama-assn.org/special/asthma/treatmnt/drug/flovent.htm Flovent Excerpt: "FLOVENT  |  Glaxo Wellcome  |  Rx "Steroid. Fluticasone propionate 44micrograms/inh, 110micrograms/inh, 220micrograms/inh; metered dose inhaler. Adverse reactions: Local effects (pharyngitis, nasal congestion/discharge, allergic rhinitis, dysphonia, sinusitis, oral candidiasis), upper respiratory infection, headache, influenza, bronchospasm." Also see this link for more details: http://www.rxmed.com/monographs/flovent.html  Flovent Congratulations on tapering off the prednisone. Ellis

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Approx. two months ago I had a severe asthma attach.  The second in my life. I was given Flovent, to be used twice daily, and a month supply of pills as well.  I also have a APO SALVENT SALBUTAMOL  inhaler.  I quit using the Flovent after about two weeks.  I was nervous as this is a steroid.  Last night, it was a little humid out and I went for a brisk walk, with some jogging thrown in.  This AM I am suffering. Should I be taking the Flovent always?  Or should I just take it when I have an episode.  I am really new to this.  I am 46 years old.

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Approx. two months ago I had a severe asthma attach.  The second in my life. I was given Flovent, to be used twice daily, and a month supply of pills as well.  I also have a APO SALVENT SALBUTAMOL  inhaler.  I quit using the Flovent after about two weeks.  I was nervous as this is a steroid.  Last night, it was a little humid out and I went for a brisk walk, with some jogging thrown in.  This AM I am suffering. Should I be taking the Flovent always?  Or should I just take it when I have an episode.  I am really new to this.  I am 46 years old.

Flovent is a medication that controls the underlying disease process in asthma and thus prevents asthma attacks.   You should be using this medication as prescribed by your doctor.  It is very important that people using asthma medications _not_ stop taking their medications without first consulting their doctor. The risks of steroid side effects are directly proportional to the dose.  It is generally accepted that a dose below the 1000mcg level is below the threshold level for producing side effects for the majority of people.  For this reason medications such as Flovent were developed.  By inhaling the medication so that it is deposited directly on the target tissues the dose can be reduced so that it remains below the threshold level. — "We are fighting today for security, for progress, and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all men, not only for one generation but for all generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world of ancient evils, ancient ills." Franklin Delano Rosevelt State of the Union Address – 1942

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Thank you very much for responding. I will start back on the Flovent ASAP and consult with my doctor.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Approx. two months ago I had a severe asthma attach.  The second in my life. I was given Flovent, to be used twice daily, and a month supply of pills as well.  I also have a APO SALVENT SALBUTAMOL  inhaler.  I quit using the Flovent after about two weeks.  I was nervous as this is a steroid.  Last night, it was a little humid out and I went for a brisk walk, with some jogging thrown in.  This AM I am suffering. Should I be taking the Flovent always?  Or should I just take it when I have an episode.  I am really new to this.  I am 46 years old. Flovent is a medication that controls the underlying disease process in asthma and thus prevents asthma attacks.   You should be using this medication as prescribed by your doctor.  It is very important that people using asthma medications _not_ stop taking their medications without first consulting their doctor. The risks of steroid side effects are directly proportional to the dose.  It is generally accepted that a dose below the 1000mcg level is below the threshold level for producing side effects for the majority of people.  For this reason medications such as Flovent were developed.  By inhaling the medication so that it is deposited directly on the target tissues the dose can be reduced so that it remains below the threshold level. — "We are fighting today for security, for progress, and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all men, not only for one generation but for all generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world of ancient evils, ancient ills." Franklin Delano Rosevelt State of the Union Address – 1942

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Approx. two months ago I had a severe asthma attach.  The second in my life. I was given Flovent, to be used twice daily, and a month supply of pills as well.  I also have a APO SALVENT SALBUTAMOL  inhaler.  I quit using the Flovent after about two weeks.  I was nervous as this is a steroid.  Last night, it was a little humid out and I went for a brisk walk, with some jogging thrown in.  This AM I am suffering. Should I be taking the Flovent always?  Or should I just take it when I have an episode.  I am really new to this.  I am 46 years old. Flovent is a medication that controls the underlying disease process in asthma and thus prevents asthma attacks.   You should be using this medication as prescribed by your doctor.  It is very important that people using asthma medications _not_ stop taking their medications without first consulting their doctor. The risks of steroid side effects are directly proportional to the dose.  It is generally accepted that a dose below the 1000mcg level is below the threshold level for producing side effects for the majority of people.  

Colin, my pulmonologist has me on 5 puffs/day of the 220 mcg Flovent, which is just at that borderline of 1000 mcg you mention. I have lately been having terrible insomnia and extreme mood swings (to the point that I have consulted a psychiatrist last week).  I’ve never had that before in my life.  And I’m wondering if the Flovent might have anything to do with it or if that’s coincidence. Is there any way to test to see if it is causing me systemic problems? Or should I just ask my pulmonologist to allow me to reduce the dose below 1000 mcg and see what happens? — Steven D. Litvintchouk                  

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Colin, my pulmonologist has me on 5 puffs/day of the 220 mcg Flovent, which is just at that borderline of 1000 mcg you mention. I have lately been having terrible insomnia and extreme mood swings (to the point that I have consulted a psychiatrist last week).  I’ve never had that before in my life.  And I’m wondering if the Flovent might have anything to do with it or if that’s coincidence. Is there any way to test to see if it is causing me systemic problems? Or should I just ask my pulmonologist to allow me to reduce the dose below 1000 mcg and see what happens?

I would suggest that you tell the doc that you suspect tthat you are having side effects.  I don’t know of any ‘test.’   — "We are fighting today for security, for progress, and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all men, not only for one generation but for all generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world of ancient evils, ancient ills." Franklin Delano Rosevelt State of the Union Address – 1942

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Colin, my pulmonologist has me on 5 puffs/day of the 220 mcg Flovent, which is just at that borderline of 1000 mcg you mention. I have lately been having terrible insomnia and extreme mood swings (to the point that I have consulted a psychiatrist last week).  I’ve never had that before in my life.  And I’m wondering if the Flovent might have anything to do with it or if that’s coincidence. Is there any way to test to see if it is causing me systemic problems? Or should I just ask my pulmonologist to allow me to reduce the dose below 1000 mcg and see what happens? I would suggest that you tell the doc that you suspect tthat you are having side effects.  I don’t know of any ‘test.’

Colin/Steven I am also on a medium-to-high (varies with my asthma severity) dose of inhaled steroid, together with  regular nasal steroids (for allergy) and infrequent pred bursts. I have continuous concern about steroid side-effects (esp. osteoporosis  because of my age and sex). I do notice marked mood changes when on a pred burst, but not otherwise. I am monitored regularly for cortisol levels and these have been OK so far. What I don’t know (and what I can’t get a straight answer on) is if ‘other’ side-effects are likely to show up even if cortisol levels are OK, as I think that just tests for adrenal suppression. My guess is the answer is yes, which concerns me even more. I think that some doctors are too gung-ho about their ‘magic’ steroids, especially with non- life-threatening complaints (like allergies/sinusitis), and I’ve found ENTs worse in this respect. My pulmonologist is always very cautious about my doses, but I’ve had ENTs dismiss my concern entirely. One, pushing an increased dose of potent steroid nasal drops, even told me it was my choice between getting steroid side-effects and improving my nasal problems (like I’m in a position to judge). That may be true, in the end, but to me it smacks of pushing responsibility for choice where it ought not to be. Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I think that some doctors are too gung-ho about their ‘magic’ steroids, especially with non- life-threatening complaints (like allergies/sinusitis), and I’ve found ENTs worse in this respect. My pulmonologist is always very cautious about my doses, but I’ve had ENTs dismiss my concern entirely. One, pushing an increased dose of potent steroid nasal drops, even told me it was my choice between getting steroid side-effects and improving my nasal problems (like I’m in a position to judge). That may be true, in the end, but to me it smacks of pushing responsibility for choice where it ought not to be.

The choice is always yours.  Your doctor can only give you advice. — "We are fighting today for security, for progress, and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all men, not only for one generation but for all generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world of ancient evils, ancient ills." Franklin Delano Rosevelt State of the Union Address – 1942

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think that some doctors are too gung-ho about their ‘magic’ steroids, especially with non- life-threatening complaints (like allergies/sinusitis), and I’ve found ENTs worse in this respect. My pulmonologist is always very cautious about my doses, but I’ve had ENTs dismiss my concern entirely. One, pushing an increased dose of potent steroid nasal drops, even told me it was my choice between getting steroid side-effects and improving my nasal problems (like I’m in a position to judge). That may be true, in the end, but to me it smacks of pushing responsibility for choice where it ought not to be. The choice is always yours.  Your doctor can only give you advice.

But it has to be an informed choice, and the doctor’s advice needs to be objective. I have rarely found doctors who are upfront with me about the potential for systemic side effects from inhaled steroids for adults.  I’ve had to learn that on my own.  In fact, some doctors seemed to "reassure" me that inhaled steroids cannot have systemic side effects–which I now know is bunk.   I had a systemic side effect from Aerobid.  I was starting to catch one viral cold every 5-6 WEEKS (that’s right, 8 or 9 colds per year).  This stopped when I stopped the Aerobid. — Steven D. Litvintchouk                  

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I think that some doctors are too gung-ho about their ‘magic’ steroids, especially with non- life-threatening complaints (like

allergies/sinusitis), and I’ve found ENTs worse in this respect. My pulmonologist is always very cautious about my doses, but I’ve had ENTs dismiss my concern entirely. One, pushing an increased dose of potent steroid nasal drops, even told me it was my choice between getting steroid side-effects and improving my nasal problems (like I’m in a position to judge). That may be true, in the end, but to me it smacks of pushing responsibility for choice where it ought not to be. The choice is always yours.  Your doctor can only give you advice.

Oh absolutely, but it has to be informed choice. I’m in the happy position that I can go and do research and decide for myself that the additive effects of my steroids are, on balance, putting me at unnacceptable risk. Otherwise I’d be depending on my doctor’s advice. As I said, I’ve found some doctors are too gung-ho about nasal steroids, and, if they haven’t observed patients with systemic side-effects themselves (as, I think, some ENTs haven’t) think the risk isn’t really a factor that ‘needs’ to be considered by the patient. My GP is also distressingly keen to offer me a pred burst every time my asthma flares up, and sometimes the choice is extremely hard to make – is a month at a ‘doubled’  800 to 1600 micrograms of inhaled pulmicort worse for my system than a week of oral pred? I don’t know, and neither does my GP, it appears. My asthma is _never_ well-controlled during the summer, unless I’m on oral prednisolone, when it goes away like magic ;-) Chris

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Approx. two months ago I had a severe asthma attach.  The second in my life. I was given Flovent, to be used twice daily, and a month supply of pills as well.  I also have a APO SALVENT SALBUTAMOL  inhaler.  I quit using the Flovent after about two weeks.  I was nervous as this is a steroid.  Last night, it was a little humid out and I went for a brisk walk, with some jogging thrown in.  This AM I am suffering. Should I be taking the Flovent always?  Or should I just take it when I have an episode.  I am really new to this.  I am 46 years old.

Take it every day as prescribed by your doctor.  It’s not for short term attacks, it’s for long range prevention.  Don’t worry about it being a steroid, you are inhaling it and get very little of it in your system. I’m on 20mg predisone a day, on top of Flovent.  Gotta move away from this humid climate. Sue, working on reducing steroid dosage

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Approx. two months ago I had a severe asthma attach.  The second in my life. I was given Flovent, to be used twice daily, and a month supply of pills as well.  I also have a APO SALVENT SALBUTAMOL  inhaler.  I quit using the Flovent after about two weeks.  I was nervous as this is a steroid.  Last night, it was a little humid out and I went for a brisk walk, with some jogging thrown in.  This AM I am suffering. Should I be taking the Flovent always?  Or should I just take it when I have an episode.  I am really new to this.  I am 46 years old. Take it every day as prescribed by your doctor.  It’s not for short term attacks, it’s for long range prevention.  Don’t worry about it being a steroid, you are inhaling it and get very little of it in your system.

Not always true. Some folks are more prone to systemic side effects than others.  You can go to www.rxlist.com and look up some of the systemic side effects that have been reported with Flovent. I started developing recurrent respiratory infections when on Aerobid. Someone else here reported tachycardia with an inhaled steroid. And now, my pulmonologist has suggested to me that my recent mood swings and anxiety might be a systemic side effect of the high dose of Flovent that I am currently on.  So she has told me to lower the dose, and she has scheduled me for a blood test to check my cortisol levels. — Steven D. Litvintchouk                  

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I think that some doctors are too gung-ho about their ‘magic’ steroids, especially with non- life-threatening complaints (like

allergies/sinusitis), – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – and I’ve found ENTs worse in this respect. My pulmonologist is always very cautious about my doses, but I’ve had ENTs dismiss my concern entirely. One, pushing an increased dose of potent steroid nasal drops, even told me it was my choice between getting steroid side-effects and improving my nasal problems (like I’m in a position to judge). That may be true, in the end, but to me it smacks of pushing responsibility for choice where it ought not to be. The choice is always yours.  Your doctor can only give you advice. But it has to be an informed choice, and the doctor’s advice needs to be objective. I have rarely found doctors who are upfront with me about the potential for systemic side effects from inhaled steroids for adults.  I’ve had to learn that on my own.  In fact, some doctors seemed to "reassure" me that inhaled steroids cannot have systemic side effects–which I now know is bunk. I had a systemic side effect from Aerobid.  I was starting to catch one viral cold every 5-6 WEEKS (that’s right, 8 or 9 colds per year).  This stopped when I stopped the Aerobid. — Steven D. Litvintchouk

This is not good…I’ve just about averaged a cold every 3-4 months since last October and am so fed up at this point.  Now after reading this thread I’m really scared..have an appointment with an ENT next week.  Another doctor to explain all this to, with yet "another" opinion.

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And now, my pulmonologist has suggested to me that my recent mood swings and anxiety might be a systemic side effect of the high dose of Flovent that I am currently on.  So she has told me to lower the dose, and she has scheduled me for a blood test to check my cortisol levels.

I’m a bit confused about this cortisol test that you and I think JAR have mentioned.  As I vaguely understand it, cortisol is a "stress hormone" made by the adrenal glands whose production should be surpressed by steroids.  Cortisol is somehow involved in the inflammatory response.  When you are taking steroids, your blood cortisol should presumably be reduced.  When you stop, the cortisol should recover.  Given all this, what does a cortisol test tell an asthmatic? — (650) 236-2231 [daytime]        http://www.wsrcc.com/alison/ CA voters, send a message: write-in "Richard Riordan" in November 2002.

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I had a systemic side effect from Aerobid.  I was starting to catch one viral cold every 5-6 WEEKS (that’s right, 8 or 9 colds per year).  This stopped when I stopped the Aerobid. This is not good…I’ve just about averaged a cold every 3-4 months since last October and am so fed up at this point.  Now after reading this thread I’m really scared..have an appointment with an ENT next week.  Another doctor to explain all this to, with yet "another" opinion.

I’ll bet your ENT won’t know much about the systemic effects of inhaled steroids.  This is something you should discuss with the type of doctor who prescribed them to you in the first place–or at least with an asthma specialist. Aerobid is *known* to have the systemic side effect of upper respiratory infection. But other inhaled steroids aren’t as bad.  Which one are you taking? — Steven D. Litvintchouk                  

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And now, my pulmonologist has suggested to me that my recent mood swings and anxiety might be a systemic side effect of the high dose of Flovent that I am currently on.  So she has told me to lower the dose, and she has scheduled me for a blood test to check my cortisol levels. I’m a bit confused about this cortisol test that you and I think JAR have mentioned.  As I vaguely understand it, cortisol is a "stress hormone" made by the adrenal glands whose production should be surpressed by steroids.  

It should not be greatly suppressed by inhaled steroids.  Check the package insert that comes with Flovent, and you will see the results of controlled studies that show that cortisol levels weren’t reduced all that much. Cortisol is somehow involved in the inflammatory response.  When you are taking steroids, your blood cortisol should presumably be reduced.  When you stop, the cortisol should recover.  Given all this, what does a cortisol test tell an asthmatic?

If my cortisol level is real low, then I am clearly getting more of a systemic effect from the inhaled steroid than I want.   — Steven D. Litvintchouk                  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Approx. two months ago I had a severe asthma attach.  The second in my life. I was given Flovent, to be used twice daily, and a month supply of pills as well.  I also have a APO SALVENT SALBUTAMOL  inhaler.  I quit using the Flovent after about two weeks.  I was nervous as this is a steroid. Last night, it was a little humid out and I went for a brisk walk, with some jogging thrown in.  This AM I am suffering. Should I be taking the Flovent always?  Or should I just take it when I have an episode.  I am really new to this.  I am 46 years old. Take it every day as prescribed by your doctor.  It’s not for short term attacks, it’s for long range prevention.  Don’t worry about it being a steroid, you are inhaling it and get very little of it in your system. Not always true. Some folks are more prone to systemic side effects than others.  You can go to www.rxlist.com and look up some of the systemic side effects that have been reported with Flovent. I started developing recurrent respiratory infections when on Aerobid. Someone else here reported tachycardia with an inhaled steroid. And now, my pulmonologist has suggested to me that my recent mood swings and anxiety might be a systemic side effect of the high dose of Flovent that I am currently on.  So she has told me to lower the dose, and she has scheduled me for a blood test to check my cortisol levels.

For me, it’s much better than being on a high doseage of prednisone. Right now, the docs are trying to wean me down off it. Sue, taking everything and still having asthma attacks – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Steven D. Litvintchouk

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     Many patients suffer side effects from Flovent.  Even more, including myself, find Aerobid disagreeable.       That still leaves you with Pulmicort.  I’ve had great success with Pulmicort.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a systemic side effect from Aerobid.  I was starting to catch one viral cold every 5-6 WEEKS (that’s right, 8 or 9 colds per year). This stopped when I stopped the Aerobid. This is not good…I’ve just about averaged a cold every 3-4 months since last October and am so fed up at this point.  Now after reading this thread I’m really scared..have an appointment with an ENT next week.  Another doctor to explain all this to, with yet "another" opinion. I’ll bet your ENT won’t know much about the systemic effects of inhaled steroids.  This is something you should discuss with the type of doctor who prescribed them to you in the first place–or at least with an asthma specialist. Aerobid is *known* to have the systemic side effect of upper respiratory infection. But other inhaled steroids aren’t as bad.  Which one are you taking? — Steven D. Litvintchouk

I’ve been on Pulmicort along with the other medications for 2 yrs. now. Went the Vanceril, Asmacort (sp?), Flovent, Advair…and Pulmicort was the only saving grace.  I am still doing allergy shots ( 2 yrs. and counting) and my last PCP took the Pulmonologist away…said he would take care of my asthma now.  Winded up making me worse by instituting a change. Disagreed with the regimen I was taking and also with the Allergist.  Have just changed PCP’s again and this dr. is sending me to an ENT.  In all honesty I haven’t found one doctor who believed any of the "side effects" I ever felt. Kinda implied, it was all in my head or gave me "that look".  If I ask about side effects, they always say.."Well, we’ll deal with that later".  Can’t you tell how much I love going to a doctor?  All I ever wanted was for these guys to work together for the benefit of ME and my breathing.  Guess that’s too much to ask, especially with all my physicians ego’s flying around!

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In all honesty I haven’t found one doctor who believed any of the "side effects" I ever felt. Kinda implied, it was all in my head or gave me "that look".  If I ask about side effects, they always say.."Well, we’ll deal with that later".

In  my experience, doctors typically know about the common side effects of each medication, but don’t know about the "infrequent" or "rare" side effects.  (A side effect may be considered "rare" if it affects less than 1% of the patient population.  But for a popular drug like albuterol, that could mean tens of thousands of patients.) That’s OK; it’s far too much information to keep in one’s head.  But then when a patient starts complaining of a side effect the doctor doesn’t know about, the doctor should take the time to look up the medication in the Physician’s Desk Reference or manufacturer’s technical literature.  But doctors almost never do that–even if you ask them to. — Steven D. Litvintchouk                  

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I too had psychiatric side effects with my Flovent. My normal dose is 220mcg/day but this past May I got very sick and had to increase the dose to 440 mcgs. I became very wound up and edgy. I felt very restless and did not sleep much. These symptoms continued until I was well enough to reduce the dose and go back to my usual 220 mcgs. My doctor told me that over 220mcg’s that it has a systemic effect (the drug gets in your whole body). In the past I had only had these symptoms while taking oral prenisone.

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I too had psychiatric side effects with my Flovent. My normal dose is 220mcg/day but this past May I got very sick and had to increase the dose to 440 mcgs. I became very wound up and edgy. I felt very restless and did not sleep much.

Those are the EXACT same symptoms that I have experienced. These symptoms continued until I was well enough to reduce the dose and go back to my usual 220 mcgs.

After you reduced your dose back to 220 mcg, how long did it take those symptoms to disappear? My doctor told me that over 220mcg’s that it has a systemic effect (the drug gets in your whole body).

My pulmonologist doesn’t agree.  But each patient is different.  One patient may get systemic effects; another may not at the same dosage level. — Steven D. Litvintchouk                  

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That’s OK; it’s far too much information to keep in one’s head.  But then when a patient starts complaining of a side effect the doctor doesn’t know about, the doctor should take the time to look up the medication in the Physician’s Desk Reference or manufacturer’s technical literature.  But doctors almost never do that–even if you ask them to.

In this day and age, with several PDA programs to choose from, there is no reason for the doctor not to have the answer right his pocket. — CBI, MD

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone tried a new inhaler called Flovent?  I saw a newspaper article about it and am wondering if it really works. I was part of clinical trial on Flovent 2 years ago.  It was the best treatment I ever had.  After four months the trial ended and I had to return to theophylene and beclovent.  The day the FDA approved Flovent I talked my doctor into prescribing it.  I haven’t had to use any prednisone, theophylene, or beclovent since.  My use of Albuterol has also been decreased. I have heard of some side effects, but I have not noticed any of them in me. Ihad the same dramatic results with Pulmicort Turbuhaler(Budesonide) that you have had with the Flovent.  It got me off chronic dependence on Prednesone within a week after taking it. I was on a rotating shopping list of other meds for over 6 years with the last 2 dependent on Prednesone daily ranging between long tapers from 60 mg to never less than 20mg daily.  This while choking down o.d. levels of albuterol, asmacort volmax, theophiline, you name it. Anyway, I understand that Flovent and Budesonide are very chemically similar and both highly effective for prednesone dependent asthma.  Since all I take for a year now has been the Pulmicort and an occational puff of Proventil, I am very reluctant to try the Flovent.  Since getting the Pulmicort in Canada is a hassle and very expensive since my insurance  won’t foot the bill for non FDA approved drugs, I am tempted to try the Flovent.  Does anyone know if the Flovent uses a propellent?  The Pulmicort does not since a dose of the drug is ground off a pellet in the inhaler and sucked in sans propellent. I have reason to believe that the propellents caused me more harm than the med was at times able to overcome.  I would appreciate any info on the Flovent anyone may have.

Hi! I have been using Flovent (+Serevent and Atrovent) for more than a year.  No visits to the hospital, no asthma attack and no saide effects in my case. Yves Dussault, Laval, Qiuebec, Canada.

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: My pulmonary specialist just switched me to Flovent four days ago to : replace Aerobid in an effort to wean me off prednisone which I’ve been : on for 8 years at varying dosages for my asthma.  Has anyone had : experience with this inhaler and side effects?  I’ve developed joint : pains (which the pharmacist says was prevalent in 3% of the study) but : don’t know if it is related or not…I’m keeping my fingers crossed that : this inhaler will be the key to being off prednisone or at least at a : much lower dosage than current.  Thanks for any input.  It’s nice to : konw that there is a group who is so supportive. I’ve been using Flowvent for about two weeks now and I have to say that it’s made a tremendous difference in how I feel.  Before starting  I was using Vanceril 8 puffs 2x a day, the old proventil 2 puffs 5x a day and theophlyn 600mg once a day.  Now I have no wheezing at all, rarely need my proventil inhaler and am steroid-free for the first time in about seven years.  Oh – I am using it with Serevent and finally sleeping through the nights with no attacks at all.  I hope it’s as successful with you!                             Elissa the redhead

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My seven year old son was just prescribed Flovent.  He has not had a chance to really use it.  The doctor who prescribed it specializes in Allergy/Immunology/Asthma.  He recommends taking it in combination with his Albuterol inhaler when symptoms are moderate to severe. I would be especially interested to hear from any parents whose children are taking it and how it’s working. Thanks Pat

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My pulmonary specialist just switched me to Flovent four days ago to replace Aerobid in an effort to wean me off prednisone which I’ve been on for 8 years at varying dosages for my asthma.  Has anyone had experience with this inhaler and side effects?  I’ve developed joint pains (which the pharmacist says was prevalent in 3% of the study) but don’t know if it is related or not…I’m keeping my fingers crossed that this inhaler will be the key to being off prednisone or at least at a much lower dosage than current.  Thanks for any input.  It’s nice to konw that there is a group who is so supportive.

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Has anyone tried a new inhaler called Flovent?  I saw a newspaper article about it and am wondering if it really works.

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Has anyone tried a new inhaler called Flovent?  I saw a newspaper article about it and am wondering if it really works.

I was part of clinical trial on Flovent 2 years ago.  It was the best treatment I ever had.  After four months the trial ended and I had to return to theophylene and beclovent.  The day the FDA approved Flovent I talked my doctor into prescribing it.  I haven’t had to use any prednisone, theophylene, or beclovent since.  My use of Albuterol has also been decreased. I have heard of some side effects, but I have not noticed any of them in me.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone tried a new inhaler called Flovent?  I saw a newspaper article about it and am wondering if it really works. I was part of clinical trial on Flovent 2 years ago.  It was the best treatment I ever had.  After four months the trial ended and I had to return to theophylene and beclovent.  The day the FDA approved Flovent I talked my doctor into prescribing it.  I haven’t had to use any prednisone, theophylene, or beclovent since.  My use of Albuterol has also been decreased. I have heard of some side effects, but I have not noticed any of them in me. Ihad the same dramatic results with Pulmicort Turbuhaler(Budesonide) that you

have had with the Flovent.  It got me off chronic dependence on Prednesone within a week after taking it. I was on a rotating shopping list of other meds for over 6 years with the last 2 dependent on Prednesone daily ranging between long tapers from 60 mg to never less than 20mg daily.  This while choking down o.d. levels of albuterol, asmacort volmax, theophiline, you name it. Anyway, I understand that Flovent and Budesonide are very chemically similar and both highly effective for prednesone dependent asthma.  Since all I take for a year now has been the Pulmicort and an occational puff of Proventil, I am very reluctant to try the Flovent.  Since getting the Pulmicort in Canada is a hassle and very expensive since my insurance  won’t foot the bill for non FDA approved drugs, I am tempted to try the Flovent.  Does anyone know if the Flovent uses a propellent?  The Pulmicort does not since a dose of the drug is ground off a pellet in the inhaler and sucked in sans propellent. I have reason to believe that the propellents caused me more harm than the med was at times able to overcome.  I would appreciate any info on the Flovent anyone may have.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have Flovent 250 mcg. In Canada only?  I also used FloVent 250 before switching to Pulmicort 400.  I’m in Canada too.  I recall someone explaining that FloVent 250 (Canada) is comparable to FloVent 220 in the US. Janine — Janine Vandenberg, BSc., DHS. http://www.kent.net/~jvandenb To work out life’s problems, we need to add love, subtract hate, multiply good, and divide between truth and error.– unknown

  I’m using FloVent 125, also in Canada. Alan

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Flovent gave me a reaction–I had a really ugly strye outbreak that didn’t go away until I quit using steroids altogether for about 6 months. It took some serious arm twisting to get me to agree to try them again. I’m on Pulmicort now and haven’t had any negative side effects. This is an extremely rare reaction to an inhaled steroid, but it was not any fun. Jimmy Mac

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have Flovent 250 mcg. In Canada only?  I also used FloVent 250 before switching to Pulmicort 400.  I’m in Canada too.  I recall someone explaining that FloVent 250 (Canada) is comparable to FloVent 220 in the US. Janine Vandenberg, BSc., DHS. MDIs are rated on their output at the mouthpiece in the US, and output at the nozzle elsewhere. The latter is a lower number due to losses between nozzle and mouthpiece. So Flovent 44, 110, & 220 in US, is Flovent 50, 125, & 250 elsewhere. Vanceril/Beclovent is 42 ug/pf in US, 50 elsewhere. Serevent is 21 ug/pf in US, 25 elsewhere, albuterol is 90 vs 100, etc. I think DPIs like the Pulmicort Turbuhaler are rated the same in US and elsewhere. The only strength available in US is 200 ug/pf. Ellis

Flovent (MDI) is also available in the US as the Flovent Rotadisk, a DPI (dry powder inhaler); in strengths of 50, 100, and 250 ug/puff. The 50 & 100 versions are FDA approved for use by children down to age 4. The 250 for adults only. Flovent is fluticasone; names used in other countries include Flixotide & Flutide. I think the Rotadisk strengths are measured the same way outside the US as inside. (50, 100, 250 ug) Apparently the intermediate version is 100 for a DPI and 125 (110 US) for the MDI. http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/4487a.htm Excerpts: "RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK, NC — November 10, 1997 — Children from four  to 11 years of age who suffer from the debilitating effects of asthma  have a new treatment option as a result of action taken by the  U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Flovent(R) Rotadisk(R), at doses  of 50 and 100 mcg twice daily, is the first and only anti-inflammatory corticosteroid medication to be cleared as  preventive therapy for the maintenance treatment of asthma for  children as young as four years. In addition to the 50 mcg and 100 mcg strengths, which are indicated for  both children and adults, a 250 mcg strength also is available for the  treatment of asthma in adults. " http://www.e-asthma.com/news10.htm ASTHMA TODAY Excerpt: "FLOVENT ROTADISK                            17 June ‘98 Flovent (Fluticasone propionate) Ratadisk is the first inhaled  corticosteroid (CS) that is approved for children 4 years old  and older.  It is easy to use because it is breath actuated.  No need of coordinating squeezing a canister and inhaling the  "mist."  Flovent is effective in reducing asthma symptoms when  inhaled twice a day for several weeks or months. It side effects are not common and minor such as pharyngitis,  cough, fever, and headache. Flovent has been studied in 214 children (4 to 11 yeard old) and  142 children from (11 to 16 years old).  The researchers found  that Flovent is an effective asthma preventive medication. I have used Flovent in two children under 6 years old. Both are  doing fine. They did not have difficulty inhaling Flovent. Leo L. Leonidas, MD, FAAP" Ellis

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So Flovent 44, 110, & 220 in US, is Flovent 50, 125, & 250 elsewhere.

I think Flovent is known as Flixotide in the UK, I have been using 2×2 puffs of the 250 strength for 18mths, I have dropped to one puff in the morning and two at night as the side effects are similar to predisilone <sp especially when you have to double the dose I am aiming for one puff morning and one puff at night before I ask my doc about the 125. atb — denis my yahoo.com address is a spam trap! my real email address is myname*AT*Charlie*Hotel*Foxtrot*DOT*softnet*DOT*co*DOT*uk (remember the phonetic alphabet !)

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I have Flovent 250 mcg. In Canada only?

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I have Flovent 250 mcg. In Canada only?  I also used FloVent 250 before switching to Pulmicort 400.  I’m in Canada too.  I recall someone explaining that FloVent 250 (Canada) is comparable to FloVent 220 in the US. Janine — Janine Vandenberg, BSc., DHS.

MDIs are rated on their output at the mouthpiece in the US, and output at the nozzle elsewhere. The latter is a lower number due to losses between nozzle and mouthpiece. So Flovent 44, 110, & 220 in US, is Flovent 50, 125, & 250 elsewhere. Vanceril/Beclovent is 42 ug/pf in US, 50 elsewhere. Serevent is 21 ug/pf in US, 25 elsewhere, albuterol is 90 vs 100, etc. I think DPIs like the Pulmicort Turbuhaler are rated the same in US and elsewhere. The only strength available in US is 200 ug/pf. Ellis

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Has anyone used this steroid inhaler?  I’ve been on it for about 5 months and it has been great- so great that I’m wondering if it’s too good to be true.  

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I have been on Flovent 250 for about two years, 2 puffs twice a day. Just great. One bad side-effect for me: thinning of the skin on hands and arms. I get bruised very easily. But I breathe!

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Has anyone used this steroid inhaler?  I’ve been on it for about 5 months and it has been great- so great that I’m wondering if it’s too good to be true.  

I’ve had debilitating asthma for over 30 years. The recent combination of seravent and flovent has been amazingly effective. Greg Hope this helps. P.S. Note Area Code change from 617 to 781. M.I.T. Lincoln Lab   (781) 981-2815        not necessarily shared by Lexington, MA        (781) 981-0908(FAX)   M.I.T./LL or its sponsors 02173-9185, USA

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Has anyone used this steroid inhaler?  I’ve been on it for about 5 months and it has been great- so great that I’m wondering if it’s too good to be true.

I’m on Flovent, Serevent, and Accolate pills. I’m doing great. Not bruising either. For me it’s a "breath of fresh air". Loretta

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I’m considering starting on Flovent.  What strength are you using?         Bob

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writes: I’m considering starting on Flovent.  What strength are you using?    Bob

I don’t think you’ll get to choose strength – it’s a prescription drug – your medical doctor will prescribe whatever strength/dosage he/she determines is indicated for you (based on your particular condition, other meds, etc.) and then may alter the strength/dosage as indicated after determining the results. Of course you do have the option of choosing not to adhere to your doctor’s dosage orders – you may choose not to take it at all, or even to overdose. Sheldon On a recent Night Court rerun, Judge Harry Stone had a wonderful line: "I try to keep an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out."

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There are three strengths: 220mcg, 110mcg, 44mcg. It is recommended to start with a 220 or 110 depending on the severity of the pts. case. — Andrey Zenovich University of Minnesota Minneapolis, MN 55455 USA – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m considering starting on Flovent.  What strength are you using?    Bob

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My wife has had very good results from, Flovent. However it often produces extreme laryngitis. She is torn between not talking and not breathing. Has anyone else had this problem and is there a solution? ds

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Try a spacer.

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: My wife has had very good results from, Flovent. However it often : produces extreme laryngitis. She is torn between not talking and not : breathing. Has anyone else had this problem and is there a solution? : ds Minor sore throat myself. Try rinsing mouth, drinking water after puffs.

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My doctor put me on Flovent in November.  I was using prednisone and had all the nasty side effects.  After nebulizing I take 4 puffs in the morning and evening.  Instead of breathing 110 on the meter I have a times gone to 180.  Without it I usually do on a normal day 130 to 150. I am 55 years old and have severe asthma.   Joyce

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Have you tried Accolate? Adam Miller www.adamm.net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -My doctor put me on Flovent in November.  I was using prednisone and had all the nasty side effects.  After nebulizing I take 4 puffs in the morning and evening.  Instead of breathing 110 on the meter I have a times gone to 180.  Without it I usually do on a normal day 130 to 150. I am 55 years old and have severe asthma.   Joyce

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Does anybody know anything or has any experience with Flovent (Fluticasone) and pregnancy? Gali

Fluticasone is a new corticosteroid inhaler. In the US, beclomethasone has been the favored corticosteroid inhaler in pregnancy due to its long history of safety. However some doctors prescribe other corticosteroid inhalers. An article at the JAMA site mentions that triamcinolone (Azmacort) should not be used in pregnancy. Here are links: http://www.ama-assn.org/special/asthma/treatmnt/updates/pregnant.htm Asthma and Pregnancy Medical Consultant: Elizabeth Brown, MD Medical Editor: Mark Evans, PhD, Director of Multimedia CME, American Medical Association Clinical Editor: Ronald Ferdman, MD, Division of Clinical Immunology & Allergy, Children’s Hospital Los Angeles November 1997 Excerpt: "Class C: Adverse effects have been detected in animal studies,  but not yet in human studies. The corticosteroids: prednisone,  beclomethasone, flunisolide, fluticosone, and triamcinolone,  as well as the bronchodilators: theophylline, albuterol,  bitolterol and pirbuterol fall into this category. 4. Aerosolized therapy, particularly aerosolized corticosteroids,  are the preferred method of drug delivery due to the decreased  chance of a systemic effect. Inhaled traimcinolone is teratogenic  and should not be used.   The practice parameters developed by allergy specialty societies  suggest the following stepwise pharmacologic therapy. (7) 1. Inhaled beta agonist (terbutaline preferred), two inhalations  every 4 hours as needed up to 8 inhalations per day. Regular  daily use suggests the need for additional medications. 2. Regular inhaled cromolyn, two inhalations four times a day is  recommended as the initial therapy for patients requiring  regular medication. 3. Regular inhaled beclomethasone is recommended if the cromolyn  is not effective. 4. Regular oral theophylline if beclomethasone is not effective.  It should be noted that theophylline reduces the pressure of the  lower esophageal sphincter, and thus may aggravate preexisting  gastroesophageal reflux. 5. Oral prednisone is reserved for those who have failed all other  therapies. "

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My daughter has asthma.  She is 3 years old. During her checkup at 3 years (March 1998) everything was fine.  We took her to the doctor this past Monday and was told she had asthma.  They gave her some medication and to come back in 2 weeks to check her progress.  I think when she was 1-2 years, she had a case of wheezing. Outwardly, the doctor had no clue she had asthma until she listened to my daughter’s lungs.  The sound is really eye awakening. Tony

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Tony, That has happened to me for 5 years!  My son was a chubby baby, mostly happy (as long as I, his mom, was a round) and slightly developmentally delayed.  I was told his wheeze came from him being fat!  That his swallowing problem came from me just wanting to breast feed.  His apnea was due to me being overprotective.  The blue tint to him was from his coloring!!  This is what I dealt with.  His whole life has been me fighting for him to get proper medical care.  Now 5 years later, we are just finally getting to the bottom of his problems.   His asthma I am told is not normal asthma, he has lung damage, probably permanent, and he still has apnea.  Tony, keep fighting and following your instincts!  I have and my son is still alive because of it.   Good luck Gina

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My family doctor admitted our son into hospital, but after four hours the hospital doctors discharged him because they said he was too happy, also yesterday we had his x-ray results back and according to these x-rays our family doctors nurse who operates the asthma clinic told my wife that our son has got Asthma for sure. So my wife went to see our family doctor who said the x-ray results where fine, but since my wife insisted that our son see a specialist, our doctor has agreed to send him. What of course gets me is that he went into hospital and just because he is an happy baby they say he is not ill, but really since he has always had asthma and he has not known different he is not going to be unhappy since asthma is the norm for him.

I’m glad you got your son a specialist.  However, you don’t diagnose asthma from x-rays.  Also, it really is possible with asthma to not seem sick for long periods of time . . . so four hours in an hospital is no real determiner, either. Chris Owens

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Hi Our 7 month old baby has had wheezing etc, since about 2 weeks old, our family doctor thinks he has asthema but is reluctant to send him to see a chest specialist, but the problem is that the inhalers are not working and in the mornings he coughs so bad that he brings up his morning bottle feed. Does anyone have any suggestions what measures I can take to overcome this coughing in the mornings to prevent him bringing up his feed. Thanks Tony

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Our 7 month old baby has had wheezing etc, since about 2 weeks old, our family doctor thinks he has asthema but is reluctant to send him to see a chest specialist, but the problem is that the inhalers are not working and in the mornings he coughs so bad that he brings up his morning bottle feed. Does anyone have any suggestions what measures I can take to overcome this coughing in the mornings to prevent him bringing up his feed.

It is time to lean HARD on your doctor to refer you to a pulmonologist.  In the meantime, can you possibly alter the baby’s feeding schedule around his worst coughing times? Chris Owens

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Hi Our 7 month old baby has had wheezing etc, since about 2 weeks old, our family doctor thinks he has asthema but is reluctant to send him to see a chest specialist, but the problem is that the inhalers are not working and in the mornings he coughs so bad that he brings up his morning bottle feed. Does anyone have any suggestions what measures I can take to overcome this coughing in the mornings to prevent him bringing up his feed.

It sounds like you need to _demand_ a referral to a specalist.  Your family doctor should be smart enough to realize that if the treatements available to him are nbot working he should send the patient to an expert.

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Our 7 month old baby has had wheezing etc, since about 2 weeks old, our family doctor thinks he has asthema but is reluctant to send him to see a chest specialist, but the problem is that the inhalers are not working and in the mornings he coughs so bad that he brings up his morning bottle feed. Does anyone have any suggestions what measures I can take to overcome this coughing in the mornings to prevent him bringing up his feed. Tony

It sounds like your infant’s asthma is undertreated; and needs a referral to a pediatric allergy or pulmonlogy specialist, for an evaluation. Or you may just need a better pediatrician who knows more about asthma. Here is a link: http://www.ama-assn.org/aps/asthma/infant.htm What If Your Infant Has Asthma? Excerpt: "What to Do Follow the appointment schedule for checking on your infant’s asthma. Your physician will want to see your baby regularly, even if your baby is not having symptoms. If your infant has asthma symptoms, act quickly. Follow the asthma action plan your physician developed for handling symptoms. Watch your infant closely for signs to seek emergency care. These signs include: Breathing rate increases (to over 40 breaths per minute while the infant is sleeping). Count the number of breaths in 15 seconds and multiply by 4. Suckling or feeding stops, or becomes difficult. Skin between your infant’s ribs is pulled tight. Chest gets bigger. Coloring changes (pale or red face; fingernails turn blue). Cry changes in quality becomes softer and shorter. Nostrils open wider (nasal flaring). Grunting. Be prepared. Do not wait until the last minute to learn how to handle an emergency. Have an asthma action plan that includes how you’ll get to your physician or hospital and who will watch your other children."

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Robert, Sounds like habit more then anything, but the albuterol may be keeping her awake, it used to keep me awake for 7-10 hours after taking it, I finally had to switch to Serevent which acts like albuterol but lasts 12 hours and does  awake with some of the more annoying side effects like shaking and sleeplessness. ps: you needs to be 12 or older to take accolate – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a nine year with asthma that may sleep thru 1 night a week. She doesn’t really complain about her breathing, but she is up none the less. Maybe habit ? She is on vanceril , intal, nasal crom , and albuterol. I have tried adjusting the time of last dose of meds to earlier , but with little success . She does not sleep with stuffed animals and her room probably has the least amount of dust in the house. I was thinking about asking Dr. for sample of accolate to see if this made a difference. What do you guys think ? Thanks .

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I have a nine year with asthma that may sleep thru 1 night a week. She doesn’t really complain about her breathing, but she is up none the less. Maybe habit ? She is on vanceril , intal, nasal crom , and albuterol. I have tried adjusting the time of last dose of meds to earlier , but with little success . She does not sleep with stuffed animals and her room probably has the least amount of dust in the house. I was thinking about asking Dr. for sample of accolate to see if this made a difference. What do you guys think ? Thanks .

Intal is a fairly low strength medication – it is prefered for children because it is considered to be the safest medication.  If she is on inhaled steroids she may not be getting any real benefit for the stuff.  I personally, have had very lettle sucess with the nasal sprays.  When my allergies act up I ask my doctor for a prescription antihsitamine (don’t know if they have been safety-tested on children however). You might ask the doctor to increase the inhaled steroid (this needs to be carefully considered to make sure that the possible side effects are worth the potential reduction in asthma symptoms).  Another alternative may be a long-acting bronchodilator such as Serevent – but again the benifits and risks must be weighed. I don’t think that Accolate has been tested for safety in children under age 12.  There is an new drug that is similar in action to Accolate (Singular) that – if I recall correctly has been tested for safety down to age 6. There is a problem with safety testing of medications in children.  It needs to be done – but from an ethical standpoint, it raises problems.

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I have a nine year with asthma that may sleep thru 1 night a week. She doesn’t really complain about her breathing, but she is up none the less. Maybe habit ? She is on vanceril , intal, nasal crom , and albuterol. I have tried adjusting the time of last dose of meds to earlier , but with little success . She does not sleep with stuffed animals and her room probably has the least amount of dust in the house. I was thinking about asking Dr. for sample of accolate to see if this made a difference. What do you guys think ? Thanks .

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I have a nine year with asthma that may sleep thru 1 night a week. She doesn’t really complain about her breathing, but she is up none the less. Maybe habit ? She is on vanceril , intal, nasal crom , and albuterol. I have tried adjusting the time of last dose of meds to earlier , but with little success . She does not sleep with stuffed animals and her room probably has the least amount of dust in the house. I was thinking about asking Dr. for sample of accolate to see if this made a difference. What do you guys think ? Thanks .

If you do ask for Singulair instead of Accolate since Singulair is approved for age 6 and up.

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I have a nine year with asthma that may sleep thru 1 night a week. She doesn’t really complain about her breathing, but she is up none the less. Maybe habit ? She is on vanceril , intal, nasal crom , and albuterol. I have tried adjusting the time of last dose of meds to earlier , but with little success . She does not sleep with stuffed animals and her room probably has the least amount of dust in the house. I was thinking about asking Dr. for sample of accolate to see if this made a difference. What do you guys think ? Thanks .

Nocturnal asthma is a sign of undertreated asthma. Vanceril usually doesn’t cause sleeping problems but albuterol could. Albuterol is no longer recommended to be used on a regular basis, only for ‘rescue’ or exercise. So the solution for nocturnal asthma is more meds. Usually a long-acting bronchodilator would be tried; Serevent inhaler or TheoDur pills. The Vanceril could be increased. Or the newly released pill, Singulair, available in a children’s version. You take it once a day, with or without food. It has been released for marketing on Feb 23, probably won’t be in pharmacies til mid-March.   See www.singulair.com Ellis

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I am a new mom of a six-week-old daughter.  I’m wondering what kind of sleep schedule I should be expecting.

Hi! Basically, you can’t expect any kind of a schedule from a 6-wk old. The first thing to learn about being a parent is…."As soon as you get them figured out, they will change." You may think you finally have some sort of "daily plan" and BOOM! she decides to switch. Just remember that 6 wk is VERY young and right now more than anything she needs you to cuddle her, nurse her, and go with the flow. My son had colic and never slept. My daughter slept through her first 4 weeks of life (like, 22 hours a day, didn’t even wake to nurse). The reason she’s probably fussy being held by other people is that right now her world mainly consists of knowing the comfort of Mom (sometimes Dad, mostly MOM. Mom has food). From the schedule you described it sounds like she’s doing exactly what she should be. Good luck and don’t let it get you down. It’s tough being a parent! I bet in 3 weeks you don’t even remember exactly how you feel right now. There will be something else you’re worried about! And that’s normal! – Donna

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I am a new mom of a six-week-old daughter.  I’m wondering what kind of sleep schedule I should be expecting. Her days go like this:  BF at 6 AM, sleep from 7-9:30, awake until after lunch, takes a 2-3 hour nap in the afternoon.  BF and sleep before dinner (friends tell me this is not a good time to sleep).  sometimes she will go down between 10 and 11 at night after being breastfed, but not always (sometimes awake and fussy). On days when we go out to visit people, she is more awake during the day, with only short cat naps.  Sometimes this lets her sleep through the night, and other times this makes her fussy. So I am wondering what kind of sleep/nap pattern and amount we should be expecting.   Also, could she be experiencing stranger anxiety already?  She seems to be extremely fussy when she is visited by other people or held for a long time be someone other than my husband or myself.  This makes me nervous to go out and leave her with a sitter (I don’t want to be up with her all night). TIA from a new and frazzled parent. Marylee

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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am a new mom of a six-week-old daughter.  I’m wondering what kind of sleep schedule I should be expecting. Her days go like this:  BF at 6 AM, sleep from 7-9:30, awake until after lunch, takes a 2-3 hour nap in the afternoon.  BF and sleep before dinner (friends tell me this is not a good time to sleep).  sometimes she will go down between 10 and 11 at night after being breastfed, but not always (sometimes awake and fussy). On days when we go out to visit people, she is more awake during the day, with only short cat naps.  Sometimes this lets her sleep through the night, and other times this makes her fussy. So I am wondering what kind of sleep/nap pattern and amount we should be expecting.   Also, could she be experiencing stranger anxiety already?  She seems to be extremely fussy when she is visited by other people or held for a long time be someone other than my husband or myself.  This makes me nervous to go out and leave her with a sitter (I don’t want to be up with her all night). TIA from a new and frazzled parent. Marylee Hello, I sympathize with you during this time. The first weeks after the baby

arrives are the hardest sometimes. You and the baby are still working out schedules for daytime and nighttime. The baby is only six weeks old and not all babies are set in their sleep and daytime schedules yet. The baby is not necessarily anxious about strangers at this age but can be overstimulated by being held too much and needs some calm and quiet. Sounds like the daytime naps are no longer than 2 or 3 hours and that is good. You want the long naps at night. My 4 mth old son sleeps 6 to 8 hrs at night then nurses and goes to sleep again. Sleeps a total of about 12 hrs 9 to 10pm to around 9am. My first two babies slept through at 6wks and slept about 10hr shift, so you see all babies will vary in their sleep schedules so be somewhat relaxed right now and see how these patterns develop over the next couple of months. I’m sure you’ll gets lots of different advice on this, so follow your instincts and try different things to see what seems to work best for your individual baby. Good luck! Mom to Michael 4mths, Jessica 4yrs, Jeffrey 8yrs.      

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I am a new mom of a six-week-old daughter.  I’m wondering what kind of sleep schedule I should be expecting.

I don’t think anyone can really tell you that.  When my son (2 years old) was newborn and for the first few months, we’d always marvel at how much his sleep (and other) habits changed from week to week or month to month. As soon as we got used to his "schedule," he’d start doing something new. I think the best thing you can do is be flexible and "go with the flow." Change is par for the course in those early months, then later, they settle in for a bit longer.  Even so, your child’s naps seem to fall within the norm, in my own experience. If you don’t want her to go to sleep so late, you might want to nix that before dinner nap.  Of course, you could just put her down to bed before dinner, feed her when she wakes and then put her back down again for the night…if it works. Good luck, and don’t forget; we all were/are frazzled in that early period.  It doesn’t last forever, even though it feels like it will. Aloha, Gillian

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Sleep?  What is that? Shannon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a new mom of a six-week-old daughter.  I’m wondering what kind of sleep schedule I should be expecting. Her days go like this:  BF at 6 AM, sleep from 7-9:30, awake until after lunch, takes a 2-3 hour nap in the afternoon.  BF and sleep before dinner (friends tell me this is not a good time to sleep).  sometimes she will go down between 10 and 11 at night after being breastfed, but not always (sometimes awake and fussy). On days when we go out to visit people, she is more awake during the day, with only short cat naps.  Sometimes this lets her sleep through the night, and other times this makes her fussy. So I am wondering what kind of sleep/nap pattern and amount we should be expecting.   Also, could she be experiencing stranger anxiety already?  She seems to be extremely fussy when she is visited by other people or held for a long time be someone other than my husband or myself.  This makes me nervous to go out and leave her with a sitter (I don’t want to be up with her all night). TIA from a new and frazzled parent. Marylee

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My 2 month old daughter sleeps with us in our waterbed. I have to hold her so neither of us sleeps well. I try to put her in her crib and she wakes up

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My 2 month old daughter sleeps with us in our waterbed. I have to hold her so neither of us sleeps well. I try to put her in her crib and she wakes up

You could try a bassinet by the bed with a baby so young. TR

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Waterbed problem: Try getting a futon to put on the floor to sleep with your baby instead of using the waterbed.  In the waterbed, you run a large risk of your baby getting caught in the "ridges" of the bed but, in the futon, your daughter should be able to lay down beside you okay.  Just don’t put any covers or pillows near her face. Good luck – Kim P.S.  I love sleeping with my baby (10 1/2 months) and he sleeps really well (wakes less often) when near a warm body! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My 2 month old daughter sleeps with us in our waterbed. I have to hold her so neither of us sleeps well. I try to put her in her crib and she wakes up

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I have a 4 month Australian Shepherd male, named Buck. He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand attention. I excersize him every night around 6-7pm, and he comes back very tired. However, he does sleep practically all day.  He is still a puppy, after all! Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved? Thanks!

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: I have a 4 month Australian Shepherd male, named Buck. : He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his : crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and : whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him : outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But : then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand : attention. : I excersize him every night around 6-7pm, and he comes back very tired. : However, he does sleep practically all day.  He is still a puppy, after : all! : Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the : entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved? I don’t want to presume so . . . exactly how many times a day is Buck getting exercised? Describe the kind of exercise, where it is, the length of each activity etc.  What are you doing for mental exercise? (Ever notice how tiring just thinking is?)  What is his behavior like in the hour immediately after the one hour evening exercise?  Where does he spend the day? and since he sleeps only "practically" all day what kind of stimulation does he get during the day? What is his "going out" schedule?  When is the last time in the evening that he has a chance to relieve himself?  How soon after that last opportunity are the two of you going to bed?  When you say "sleep through the entire night" exactly how many hours do you want Buck to sleep before needing to relieve himself? I’m kind of vague on the facts here, so more specific information will keep me from jumping to conclusions. Diane Blackman –       –       –       –       –       – "dogs confront people with the problem of deciding how far, if at all, our moral responsiblities should extend beyond the taxonomic boundaries of our species" "The Domestic Dog" ch 16, James Serpell

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Joseph said….. : Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the : entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved?

Hi Joseph and Diane, My situation is a little better in that my 15 week old English Setter puppy Tilly  will go out in the garden about 22.30-23.00 for the last time of the evening, she then sleeps with me most nights straight through until about 7.30-8.30. She then goes out to do her business and comes in for breakfast. Then we have a couple of hours active play in the garden and play with toys inside and she will go to sleep about 10.30 for a couple of hours. Play resumes around lunchtime and she has a walk (not too far since I am careful because of her developing hips). Then some more play and dinner at around 15.30. More play and another short walk, then she will sleep for most of the evening until her last visit to the garden at around 22.30-23.00, and so on. She has decided (by not eating the 3rd meal) that 2 meals is all she wants now most days, though some days she gets hungrier so I feed her again lunchtime and a slightly later dinner on those days. Occasionally she will have some biscuits, and there are various small rewards being given to her as she is being trained on an ongoing 5 minute at a time basis. She’s doing well with this training, sitting on command reliably and giving her paw, also does a good "down" most of the time. She seems to have settld into the routine well and seems very happy. Kay (and Tilly the English Setter puppy, and cat Parsley)

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: He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his : crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and : whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him : outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But Is he drinking a lot of water after his evening exercise? If so, he probably needs to go outside during the night. If he’s not drinking a lot, then this is probably just a habit for him – at four months, a puppy should be able to make it through the night. : then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand : attention. Figure a maximum of 8 hours before you need to take him out. Then (again, assuming he’s not gulping down a lot of water after his exercise) enforce quiet time. If he hasn’t learned to be quiet at night, I’d put him back in the crate to sleep every night. Then you need to ignore his demands for attention. You might first growl "You lie down and go to sleep" but don’t say anything more, positive or negative. I’ve also kept an extra crate in another room. Noisy, demanding pups get banished to that crate, and I got back in the bedroom and close the door. That seems to be pretty effective at teaching them that it’s not such a great idea to wake me up unless it’s really necessary. :-) April with Levi, Caper, and Epic, the Border Collie Hurricanes

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We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain.

  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is.

I think you have just answered your own question. As the old saying goes: Let sleeping dogs lie. C. Jackson, her trusty dog Max, and Buie who is waiting at the Rainbow Bridge

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We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain. Chamberlain is baby-gated in our large kitchen while my husband and I are at work.  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is. My question is should I leave things well enough alone or attempt to have him sleep with us?  Let me also note that when he gets in our room, he tends to get somewhat excited so I know that if we choose to let him sleep in our room, none of us will get much sleep for a while. Hey, if he’s happy so am I! Thanks,

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It sounds like your dog has claimed his territory. the kitchen is his den, like the crate is for some dogs, and that is where he feels safest. Your room may be considered your ‘den’, which would explain why he’s excited when he’s there. Why change? If he’s happy, why move him? If you are bent on giving it a try, you can move his bed, slowly, to your room. First, move it to the door of the kitchen, towards your room. Then gradually move it to your room. If that doesn’t work, you can try making it a game. Play with him in your room at night until he tires. keep the door closed for a while, and if he settles down and relaxes, open the door, giving him the choice. Keep this up, and after a while bring the bed into your room, offering him the chance to stay. Good Luck! Amanda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain. Chamberlain is baby-gated in our large kitchen while my husband and I are at work.  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is. My question is should I leave things well enough alone or attempt to have him sleep with us?  Let me also note that when he gets in our room, he tends to get somewhat excited so I know that if we choose to let him sleep in our room, none of us will get much sleep for a while. Hey, if he’s happy so am I! Thanks,

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once in a while to give us RKa big sloppy kiss.  Why is he so restless? He slept outside with no RKproblem for the 6 months that we have had him.  No he won’t go to sleep.         Why is he so restless?  Because he is no longer permitted to         sleep where he has grown accustomed to sleep. RK       -RK RKSend All Replies To: RK         OR         Sorry–can’t access e-mail right now. —  * SLMR 2.0 * Don’t blame–train!

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I have a question maybe someone can help me with.  I have two dogs, a 1yr old choc lab, and a 6month old Shep/Boxer.   The Lab used to sleep in our back padio.  It’s completly inclosed with access to the backyard.  We decided to bring him into our room to sleep now.  We felt sorry for him outside at night.  The Young dog goes right to sleep, or is content to lay there and gnaw on her Nylabone, but the Lab paces back and forth all night.  He stops every once in a while to give us a big sloppy kiss.  Why is he so restless?  He slept outside with no problem for the 6 months that we have had him.  No he won’t go to sleep. Thanks for any help.        -RK Send All Replies To:          OR

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I have a 4 month Australian Shepherd male, named Buck. He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand attention. I excersize him every night around 6-7pm, and he comes back very tired. However, he does sleep practically all day.  He is still a puppy, after all! Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved? Thanks!

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: I have a 4 month Australian Shepherd male, named Buck. : He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his : crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and : whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him : outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But : then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand : attention. : I excersize him every night around 6-7pm, and he comes back very tired. : However, he does sleep practically all day.  He is still a puppy, after : all! : Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the : entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved? I don’t want to presume so . . . exactly how many times a day is Buck getting exercised? Describe the kind of exercise, where it is, the length of each activity etc.  What are you doing for mental exercise? (Ever notice how tiring just thinking is?)  What is his behavior like in the hour immediately after the one hour evening exercise?  Where does he spend the day? and since he sleeps only "practically" all day what kind of stimulation does he get during the day? What is his "going out" schedule?  When is the last time in the evening that he has a chance to relieve himself?  How soon after that last opportunity are the two of you going to bed?  When you say "sleep through the entire night" exactly how many hours do you want Buck to sleep before needing to relieve himself? I’m kind of vague on the facts here, so more specific information will keep me from jumping to conclusions. Diane Blackman –       –       –       –       –       – "dogs confront people with the problem of deciding how far, if at all, our moral responsiblities should extend beyond the taxonomic boundaries of our species" "The Domestic Dog" ch 16, James Serpell

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Joseph said….. : Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the : entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved?

Hi Joseph and Diane, My situation is a little better in that my 15 week old English Setter puppy Tilly  will go out in the garden about 22.30-23.00 for the last time of the evening, she then sleeps with me most nights straight through until about 7.30-8.30. She then goes out to do her business and comes in for breakfast. Then we have a couple of hours active play in the garden and play with toys inside and she will go to sleep about 10.30 for a couple of hours. Play resumes around lunchtime and she has a walk (not too far since I am careful because of her developing hips). Then some more play and dinner at around 15.30. More play and another short walk, then she will sleep for most of the evening until her last visit to the garden at around 22.30-23.00, and so on. She has decided (by not eating the 3rd meal) that 2 meals is all she wants now most days, though some days she gets hungrier so I feed her again lunchtime and a slightly later dinner on those days. Occasionally she will have some biscuits, and there are various small rewards being given to her as she is being trained on an ongoing 5 minute at a time basis. She’s doing well with this training, sitting on command reliably and giving her paw, also does a good "down" most of the time. She seems to have settld into the routine well and seems very happy. Kay (and Tilly the English Setter puppy, and cat Parsley)

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: He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his : crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and : whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him : outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But Is he drinking a lot of water after his evening exercise? If so, he probably needs to go outside during the night. If he’s not drinking a lot, then this is probably just a habit for him – at four months, a puppy should be able to make it through the night. : then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand : attention. Figure a maximum of 8 hours before you need to take him out. Then (again, assuming he’s not gulping down a lot of water after his exercise) enforce quiet time. If he hasn’t learned to be quiet at night, I’d put him back in the crate to sleep every night. Then you need to ignore his demands for attention. You might first growl "You lie down and go to sleep" but don’t say anything more, positive or negative. I’ve also kept an extra crate in another room. Noisy, demanding pups get banished to that crate, and I got back in the bedroom and close the door. That seems to be pretty effective at teaching them that it’s not such a great idea to wake me up unless it’s really necessary. :-) April with Levi, Caper, and Epic, the Border Collie Hurricanes

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We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain.

  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is.

I think you have just answered your own question. As the old saying goes: Let sleeping dogs lie. C. Jackson, her trusty dog Max, and Buie who is waiting at the Rainbow Bridge

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We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain. Chamberlain is baby-gated in our large kitchen while my husband and I are at work.  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is. My question is should I leave things well enough alone or attempt to have him sleep with us?  Let me also note that when he gets in our room, he tends to get somewhat excited so I know that if we choose to let him sleep in our room, none of us will get much sleep for a while. Hey, if he’s happy so am I! Thanks,

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It sounds like your dog has claimed his territory. the kitchen is his den, like the crate is for some dogs, and that is where he feels safest. Your room may be considered your ‘den’, which would explain why he’s excited when he’s there. Why change? If he’s happy, why move him? If you are bent on giving it a try, you can move his bed, slowly, to your room. First, move it to the door of the kitchen, towards your room. Then gradually move it to your room. If that doesn’t work, you can try making it a game. Play with him in your room at night until he tires. keep the door closed for a while, and if he settles down and relaxes, open the door, giving him the choice. Keep this up, and after a while bring the bed into your room, offering him the chance to stay. Good Luck! Amanda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain. Chamberlain is baby-gated in our large kitchen while my husband and I are at work.  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is. My question is should I leave things well enough alone or attempt to have him sleep with us?  Let me also note that when he gets in our room, he tends to get somewhat excited so I know that if we choose to let him sleep in our room, none of us will get much sleep for a while. Hey, if he’s happy so am I! Thanks,

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once in a while to give us RKa big sloppy kiss.  Why is he so restless? He slept outside with no RKproblem for the 6 months that we have had him.  No he won’t go to sleep.         Why is he so restless?  Because he is no longer permitted to         sleep where he has grown accustomed to sleep. RK       -RK RKSend All Replies To: RK         OR         Sorry–can’t access e-mail right now. —  * SLMR 2.0 * Don’t blame–train!

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I have a question maybe someone can help me with.  I have two dogs, a 1yr old choc lab, and a 6month old Shep/Boxer.   The Lab used to sleep in our back padio.  It’s completly inclosed with access to the backyard.  We decided to bring him into our room to sleep now.  We felt sorry for him outside at night.  The Young dog goes right to sleep, or is content to lay there and gnaw on her Nylabone, but the Lab paces back and forth all night.  He stops every once in a while to give us a big sloppy kiss.  Why is he so restless?  He slept outside with no problem for the 6 months that we have had him.  No he won’t go to sleep. Thanks for any help.        -RK Send All Replies To:          OR

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I have a 4 month Australian Shepherd male, named Buck. He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand attention. I excersize him every night around 6-7pm, and he comes back very tired. However, he does sleep practically all day.  He is still a puppy, after all! Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved? Thanks!

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: I have a 4 month Australian Shepherd male, named Buck. : He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his : crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and : whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him : outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But : then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand : attention. : I excersize him every night around 6-7pm, and he comes back very tired. : However, he does sleep practically all day.  He is still a puppy, after : all! : Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the : entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved? I don’t want to presume so . . . exactly how many times a day is Buck getting exercised? Describe the kind of exercise, where it is, the length of each activity etc.  What are you doing for mental exercise? (Ever notice how tiring just thinking is?)  What is his behavior like in the hour immediately after the one hour evening exercise?  Where does he spend the day? and since he sleeps only "practically" all day what kind of stimulation does he get during the day? What is his "going out" schedule?  When is the last time in the evening that he has a chance to relieve himself?  How soon after that last opportunity are the two of you going to bed?  When you say "sleep through the entire night" exactly how many hours do you want Buck to sleep before needing to relieve himself? I’m kind of vague on the facts here, so more specific information will keep me from jumping to conclusions. Diane Blackman –       –       –       –       –       – "dogs confront people with the problem of deciding how far, if at all, our moral responsiblities should extend beyond the taxonomic boundaries of our species" "The Domestic Dog" ch 16, James Serpell

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Joseph said….. : Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the : entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved?

Hi Joseph and Diane, My situation is a little better in that my 15 week old English Setter puppy Tilly  will go out in the garden about 22.30-23.00 for the last time of the evening, she then sleeps with me most nights straight through until about 7.30-8.30. She then goes out to do her business and comes in for breakfast. Then we have a couple of hours active play in the garden and play with toys inside and she will go to sleep about 10.30 for a couple of hours. Play resumes around lunchtime and she has a walk (not too far since I am careful because of her developing hips). Then some more play and dinner at around 15.30. More play and another short walk, then she will sleep for most of the evening until her last visit to the garden at around 22.30-23.00, and so on. She has decided (by not eating the 3rd meal) that 2 meals is all she wants now most days, though some days she gets hungrier so I feed her again lunchtime and a slightly later dinner on those days. Occasionally she will have some biscuits, and there are various small rewards being given to her as she is being trained on an ongoing 5 minute at a time basis. She’s doing well with this training, sitting on command reliably and giving her paw, also does a good "down" most of the time. She seems to have settld into the routine well and seems very happy. Kay (and Tilly the English Setter puppy, and cat Parsley)

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: He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his : crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and : whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him : outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But Is he drinking a lot of water after his evening exercise? If so, he probably needs to go outside during the night. If he’s not drinking a lot, then this is probably just a habit for him – at four months, a puppy should be able to make it through the night. : then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand : attention. Figure a maximum of 8 hours before you need to take him out. Then (again, assuming he’s not gulping down a lot of water after his exercise) enforce quiet time. If he hasn’t learned to be quiet at night, I’d put him back in the crate to sleep every night. Then you need to ignore his demands for attention. You might first growl "You lie down and go to sleep" but don’t say anything more, positive or negative. I’ve also kept an extra crate in another room. Noisy, demanding pups get banished to that crate, and I got back in the bedroom and close the door. That seems to be pretty effective at teaching them that it’s not such a great idea to wake me up unless it’s really necessary. :-) April with Levi, Caper, and Epic, the Border Collie Hurricanes

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We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain.

  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is.

I think you have just answered your own question. As the old saying goes: Let sleeping dogs lie. C. Jackson, her trusty dog Max, and Buie who is waiting at the Rainbow Bridge

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We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain. Chamberlain is baby-gated in our large kitchen while my husband and I are at work.  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is. My question is should I leave things well enough alone or attempt to have him sleep with us?  Let me also note that when he gets in our room, he tends to get somewhat excited so I know that if we choose to let him sleep in our room, none of us will get much sleep for a while. Hey, if he’s happy so am I! Thanks,

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It sounds like your dog has claimed his territory. the kitchen is his den, like the crate is for some dogs, and that is where he feels safest. Your room may be considered your ‘den’, which would explain why he’s excited when he’s there. Why change? If he’s happy, why move him? If you are bent on giving it a try, you can move his bed, slowly, to your room. First, move it to the door of the kitchen, towards your room. Then gradually move it to your room. If that doesn’t work, you can try making it a game. Play with him in your room at night until he tires. keep the door closed for a while, and if he settles down and relaxes, open the door, giving him the choice. Keep this up, and after a while bring the bed into your room, offering him the chance to stay. Good Luck! Amanda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain. Chamberlain is baby-gated in our large kitchen while my husband and I are at work.  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is. My question is should I leave things well enough alone or attempt to have him sleep with us?  Let me also note that when he gets in our room, he tends to get somewhat excited so I know that if we choose to let him sleep in our room, none of us will get much sleep for a while. Hey, if he’s happy so am I! Thanks,

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once in a while to give us RKa big sloppy kiss.  Why is he so restless? He slept outside with no RKproblem for the 6 months that we have had him.  No he won’t go to sleep.         Why is he so restless?  Because he is no longer permitted to         sleep where he has grown accustomed to sleep. RK       -RK RKSend All Replies To: RK         OR         Sorry–can’t access e-mail right now. —  * SLMR 2.0 * Don’t blame–train!

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I have a question maybe someone can help me with.  I have two dogs, a 1yr old choc lab, and a 6month old Shep/Boxer.   The Lab used to sleep in our back padio.  It’s completly inclosed with access to the backyard.  We decided to bring him into our room to sleep now.  We felt sorry for him outside at night.  The Young dog goes right to sleep, or is content to lay there and gnaw on her Nylabone, but the Lab paces back and forth all night.  He stops every once in a while to give us a big sloppy kiss.  Why is he so restless?  He slept outside with no problem for the 6 months that we have had him.  No he won’t go to sleep. Thanks for any help.        -RK Send All Replies To:          OR

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I have a 4 month Australian Shepherd male, named Buck. He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand attention. I excersize him every night around 6-7pm, and he comes back very tired. However, he does sleep practically all day.  He is still a puppy, after all! Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved? Thanks!

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: I have a 4 month Australian Shepherd male, named Buck. : He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his : crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and : whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him : outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But : then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand : attention. : I excersize him every night around 6-7pm, and he comes back very tired. : However, he does sleep practically all day.  He is still a puppy, after : all! : Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the : entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved? I don’t want to presume so . . . exactly how many times a day is Buck getting exercised? Describe the kind of exercise, where it is, the length of each activity etc.  What are you doing for mental exercise? (Ever notice how tiring just thinking is?)  What is his behavior like in the hour immediately after the one hour evening exercise?  Where does he spend the day? and since he sleeps only "practically" all day what kind of stimulation does he get during the day? What is his "going out" schedule?  When is the last time in the evening that he has a chance to relieve himself?  How soon after that last opportunity are the two of you going to bed?  When you say "sleep through the entire night" exactly how many hours do you want Buck to sleep before needing to relieve himself? I’m kind of vague on the facts here, so more specific information will keep me from jumping to conclusions. Diane Blackman –       –       –       –       –       – "dogs confront people with the problem of deciding how far, if at all, our moral responsiblities should extend beyond the taxonomic boundaries of our species" "The Domestic Dog" ch 16, James Serpell

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Joseph said….. : Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the : entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved?

Hi Joseph and Diane, My situation is a little better in that my 15 week old English Setter puppy Tilly  will go out in the garden about 22.30-23.00 for the last time of the evening, she then sleeps with me most nights straight through until about 7.30-8.30. She then goes out to do her business and comes in for breakfast. Then we have a couple of hours active play in the garden and play with toys inside and she will go to sleep about 10.30 for a couple of hours. Play resumes around lunchtime and she has a walk (not too far since I am careful because of her developing hips). Then some more play and dinner at around 15.30. More play and another short walk, then she will sleep for most of the evening until her last visit to the garden at around 22.30-23.00, and so on. She has decided (by not eating the 3rd meal) that 2 meals is all she wants now most days, though some days she gets hungrier so I feed her again lunchtime and a slightly later dinner on those days. Occasionally she will have some biscuits, and there are various small rewards being given to her as she is being trained on an ongoing 5 minute at a time basis. She’s doing well with this training, sitting on command reliably and giving her paw, also does a good "down" most of the time. She seems to have settld into the routine well and seems very happy. Kay (and Tilly the English Setter puppy, and cat Parsley)

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: He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his : crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and : whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him : outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But Is he drinking a lot of water after his evening exercise? If so, he probably needs to go outside during the night. If he’s not drinking a lot, then this is probably just a habit for him – at four months, a puppy should be able to make it through the night. : then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand : attention. Figure a maximum of 8 hours before you need to take him out. Then (again, assuming he’s not gulping down a lot of water after his exercise) enforce quiet time. If he hasn’t learned to be quiet at night, I’d put him back in the crate to sleep every night. Then you need to ignore his demands for attention. You might first growl "You lie down and go to sleep" but don’t say anything more, positive or negative. I’ve also kept an extra crate in another room. Noisy, demanding pups get banished to that crate, and I got back in the bedroom and close the door. That seems to be pretty effective at teaching them that it’s not such a great idea to wake me up unless it’s really necessary. :-) April with Levi, Caper, and Epic, the Border Collie Hurricanes

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We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain.

  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is.

I think you have just answered your own question. As the old saying goes: Let sleeping dogs lie. C. Jackson, her trusty dog Max, and Buie who is waiting at the Rainbow Bridge

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We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain. Chamberlain is baby-gated in our large kitchen while my husband and I are at work.  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is. My question is should I leave things well enough alone or attempt to have him sleep with us?  Let me also note that when he gets in our room, he tends to get somewhat excited so I know that if we choose to let him sleep in our room, none of us will get much sleep for a while. Hey, if he’s happy so am I! Thanks,

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It sounds like your dog has claimed his territory. the kitchen is his den, like the crate is for some dogs, and that is where he feels safest. Your room may be considered your ‘den’, which would explain why he’s excited when he’s there. Why change? If he’s happy, why move him? If you are bent on giving it a try, you can move his bed, slowly, to your room. First, move it to the door of the kitchen, towards your room. Then gradually move it to your room. If that doesn’t work, you can try making it a game. Play with him in your room at night until he tires. keep the door closed for a while, and if he settles down and relaxes, open the door, giving him the choice. Keep this up, and after a while bring the bed into your room, offering him the chance to stay. Good Luck! Amanda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain. Chamberlain is baby-gated in our large kitchen while my husband and I are at work.  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is. My question is should I leave things well enough alone or attempt to have him sleep with us?  Let me also note that when he gets in our room, he tends to get somewhat excited so I know that if we choose to let him sleep in our room, none of us will get much sleep for a while. Hey, if he’s happy so am I! Thanks,

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once in a while to give us RKa big sloppy kiss.  Why is he so restless? He slept outside with no RKproblem for the 6 months that we have had him.  No he won’t go to sleep.         Why is he so restless?  Because he is no longer permitted to         sleep where he has grown accustomed to sleep. RK       -RK RKSend All Replies To: RK         OR         Sorry–can’t access e-mail right now. —  * SLMR 2.0 * Don’t blame–train!

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I have a question maybe someone can help me with.  I have two dogs, a 1yr old choc lab, and a 6month old Shep/Boxer.   The Lab used to sleep in our back padio.  It’s completly inclosed with access to the backyard.  We decided to bring him into our room to sleep now.  We felt sorry for him outside at night.  The Young dog goes right to sleep, or is content to lay there and gnaw on her Nylabone, but the Lab paces back and forth all night.  He stops every once in a while to give us a big sloppy kiss.  Why is he so restless?  He slept outside with no problem for the 6 months that we have had him.  No he won’t go to sleep. Thanks for any help.        -RK Send All Replies To:          OR

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I have a 4 month Australian Shepherd male, named Buck. He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand attention. I excersize him every night around 6-7pm, and he comes back very tired. However, he does sleep practically all day.  He is still a puppy, after all! Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved? Thanks!

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: I have a 4 month Australian Shepherd male, named Buck. : He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his : crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and : whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him : outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But : then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand : attention. : I excersize him every night around 6-7pm, and he comes back very tired. : However, he does sleep practically all day.  He is still a puppy, after : all! : Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the : entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved? I don’t want to presume so . . . exactly how many times a day is Buck getting exercised? Describe the kind of exercise, where it is, the length of each activity etc.  What are you doing for mental exercise? (Ever notice how tiring just thinking is?)  What is his behavior like in the hour immediately after the one hour evening exercise?  Where does he spend the day? and since he sleeps only "practically" all day what kind of stimulation does he get during the day? What is his "going out" schedule?  When is the last time in the evening that he has a chance to relieve himself?  How soon after that last opportunity are the two of you going to bed?  When you say "sleep through the entire night" exactly how many hours do you want Buck to sleep before needing to relieve himself? I’m kind of vague on the facts here, so more specific information will keep me from jumping to conclusions. Diane Blackman –       –       –       –       –       – "dogs confront people with the problem of deciding how far, if at all, our moral responsiblities should extend beyond the taxonomic boundaries of our species" "The Domestic Dog" ch 16, James Serpell

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Joseph said….. : Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the : entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved?

Hi Joseph and Diane, My situation is a little better in that my 15 week old English Setter puppy Tilly  will go out in the garden about 22.30-23.00 for the last time of the evening, she then sleeps with me most nights straight through until about 7.30-8.30. She then goes out to do her business and comes in for breakfast. Then we have a couple of hours active play in the garden and play with toys inside and she will go to sleep about 10.30 for a couple of hours. Play resumes around lunchtime and she has a walk (not too far since I am careful because of her developing hips). Then some more play and dinner at around 15.30. More play and another short walk, then she will sleep for most of the evening until her last visit to the garden at around 22.30-23.00, and so on. She has decided (by not eating the 3rd meal) that 2 meals is all she wants now most days, though some days she gets hungrier so I feed her again lunchtime and a slightly later dinner on those days. Occasionally she will have some biscuits, and there are various small rewards being given to her as she is being trained on an ongoing 5 minute at a time basis. She’s doing well with this training, sitting on command reliably and giving her paw, also does a good "down" most of the time. She seems to have settld into the routine well and seems very happy. Kay (and Tilly the English Setter puppy, and cat Parsley)

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: He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his : crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and : whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him : outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But Is he drinking a lot of water after his evening exercise? If so, he probably needs to go outside during the night. If he’s not drinking a lot, then this is probably just a habit for him – at four months, a puppy should be able to make it through the night. : then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand : attention. Figure a maximum of 8 hours before you need to take him out. Then (again, assuming he’s not gulping down a lot of water after his exercise) enforce quiet time. If he hasn’t learned to be quiet at night, I’d put him back in the crate to sleep every night. Then you need to ignore his demands for attention. You might first growl "You lie down and go to sleep" but don’t say anything more, positive or negative. I’ve also kept an extra crate in another room. Noisy, demanding pups get banished to that crate, and I got back in the bedroom and close the door. That seems to be pretty effective at teaching them that it’s not such a great idea to wake me up unless it’s really necessary. :-) April with Levi, Caper, and Epic, the Border Collie Hurricanes

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We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain.

  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is.

I think you have just answered your own question. As the old saying goes: Let sleeping dogs lie. C. Jackson, her trusty dog Max, and Buie who is waiting at the Rainbow Bridge

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We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain. Chamberlain is baby-gated in our large kitchen while my husband and I are at work.  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is. My question is should I leave things well enough alone or attempt to have him sleep with us?  Let me also note that when he gets in our room, he tends to get somewhat excited so I know that if we choose to let him sleep in our room, none of us will get much sleep for a while. Hey, if he’s happy so am I! Thanks,

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It sounds like your dog has claimed his territory. the kitchen is his den, like the crate is for some dogs, and that is where he feels safest. Your room may be considered your ‘den’, which would explain why he’s excited when he’s there. Why change? If he’s happy, why move him? If you are bent on giving it a try, you can move his bed, slowly, to your room. First, move it to the door of the kitchen, towards your room. Then gradually move it to your room. If that doesn’t work, you can try making it a game. Play with him in your room at night until he tires. keep the door closed for a while, and if he settles down and relaxes, open the door, giving him the choice. Keep this up, and after a while bring the bed into your room, offering him the chance to stay. Good Luck! Amanda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain. Chamberlain is baby-gated in our large kitchen while my husband and I are at work.  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is. My question is should I leave things well enough alone or attempt to have him sleep with us?  Let me also note that when he gets in our room, he tends to get somewhat excited so I know that if we choose to let him sleep in our room, none of us will get much sleep for a while. Hey, if he’s happy so am I! Thanks,

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once in a while to give us RKa big sloppy kiss.  Why is he so restless? He slept outside with no RKproblem for the 6 months that we have had him.  No he won’t go to sleep.         Why is he so restless?  Because he is no longer permitted to         sleep where he has grown accustomed to sleep. RK       -RK RKSend All Replies To: RK         OR         Sorry–can’t access e-mail right now. —  * SLMR 2.0 * Don’t blame–train!

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I have a question maybe someone can help me with.  I have two dogs, a 1yr old choc lab, and a 6month old Shep/Boxer.   The Lab used to sleep in our back padio.  It’s completly inclosed with access to the backyard.  We decided to bring him into our room to sleep now.  We felt sorry for him outside at night.  The Young dog goes right to sleep, or is content to lay there and gnaw on her Nylabone, but the Lab paces back and forth all night.  He stops every once in a while to give us a big sloppy kiss.  Why is he so restless?  He slept outside with no problem for the 6 months that we have had him.  No he won’t go to sleep. Thanks for any help.        -RK Send All Replies To:          OR

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I have a 4 month Australian Shepherd male, named Buck. He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand attention. I excersize him every night around 6-7pm, and he comes back very tired. However, he does sleep practically all day.  He is still a puppy, after all! Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved? Thanks!

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: I have a 4 month Australian Shepherd male, named Buck. : He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his : crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and : whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him : outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But : then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand : attention. : I excersize him every night around 6-7pm, and he comes back very tired. : However, he does sleep practically all day.  He is still a puppy, after : all! : Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the : entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved? I don’t want to presume so . . . exactly how many times a day is Buck getting exercised? Describe the kind of exercise, where it is, the length of each activity etc.  What are you doing for mental exercise? (Ever notice how tiring just thinking is?)  What is his behavior like in the hour immediately after the one hour evening exercise?  Where does he spend the day? and since he sleeps only "practically" all day what kind of stimulation does he get during the day? What is his "going out" schedule?  When is the last time in the evening that he has a chance to relieve himself?  How soon after that last opportunity are the two of you going to bed?  When you say "sleep through the entire night" exactly how many hours do you want Buck to sleep before needing to relieve himself? I’m kind of vague on the facts here, so more specific information will keep me from jumping to conclusions. Diane Blackman –       –       –       –       –       – "dogs confront people with the problem of deciding how far, if at all, our moral responsiblities should extend beyond the taxonomic boundaries of our species" "The Domestic Dog" ch 16, James Serpell

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Joseph said….. : Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the : entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved?

Hi Joseph and Diane, My situation is a little better in that my 15 week old English Setter puppy Tilly  will go out in the garden about 22.30-23.00 for the last time of the evening, she then sleeps with me most nights straight through until about 7.30-8.30. She then goes out to do her business and comes in for breakfast. Then we have a couple of hours active play in the garden and play with toys inside and she will go to sleep about 10.30 for a couple of hours. Play resumes around lunchtime and she has a walk (not too far since I am careful because of her developing hips). Then some more play and dinner at around 15.30. More play and another short walk, then she will sleep for most of the evening until her last visit to the garden at around 22.30-23.00, and so on. She has decided (by not eating the 3rd meal) that 2 meals is all she wants now most days, though some days she gets hungrier so I feed her again lunchtime and a slightly later dinner on those days. Occasionally she will have some biscuits, and there are various small rewards being given to her as she is being trained on an ongoing 5 minute at a time basis. She’s doing well with this training, sitting on command reliably and giving her paw, also does a good "down" most of the time. She seems to have settld into the routine well and seems very happy. Kay (and Tilly the English Setter puppy, and cat Parsley)

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: He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his : crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and : whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him : outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But Is he drinking a lot of water after his evening exercise? If so, he probably needs to go outside during the night. If he’s not drinking a lot, then this is probably just a habit for him – at four months, a puppy should be able to make it through the night. : then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand : attention. Figure a maximum of 8 hours before you need to take him out. Then (again, assuming he’s not gulping down a lot of water after his exercise) enforce quiet time. If he hasn’t learned to be quiet at night, I’d put him back in the crate to sleep every night. Then you need to ignore his demands for attention. You might first growl "You lie down and go to sleep" but don’t say anything more, positive or negative. I’ve also kept an extra crate in another room. Noisy, demanding pups get banished to that crate, and I got back in the bedroom and close the door. That seems to be pretty effective at teaching them that it’s not such a great idea to wake me up unless it’s really necessary. :-) April with Levi, Caper, and Epic, the Border Collie Hurricanes

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We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain.

  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is.

I think you have just answered your own question. As the old saying goes: Let sleeping dogs lie. C. Jackson, her trusty dog Max, and Buie who is waiting at the Rainbow Bridge

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We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain. Chamberlain is baby-gated in our large kitchen while my husband and I are at work.  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is. My question is should I leave things well enough alone or attempt to have him sleep with us?  Let me also note that when he gets in our room, he tends to get somewhat excited so I know that if we choose to let him sleep in our room, none of us will get much sleep for a while. Hey, if he’s happy so am I! Thanks,

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It sounds like your dog has claimed his territory. the kitchen is his den, like the crate is for some dogs, and that is where he feels safest. Your room may be considered your ‘den’, which would explain why he’s excited when he’s there. Why change? If he’s happy, why move him? If you are bent on giving it a try, you can move his bed, slowly, to your room. First, move it to the door of the kitchen, towards your room. Then gradually move it to your room. If that doesn’t work, you can try making it a game. Play with him in your room at night until he tires. keep the door closed for a while, and if he settles down and relaxes, open the door, giving him the choice. Keep this up, and after a while bring the bed into your room, offering him the chance to stay. Good Luck! Amanda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain. Chamberlain is baby-gated in our large kitchen while my husband and I are at work.  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is. My question is should I leave things well enough alone or attempt to have him sleep with us?  Let me also note that when he gets in our room, he tends to get somewhat excited so I know that if we choose to let him sleep in our room, none of us will get much sleep for a while. Hey, if he’s happy so am I! Thanks,

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once in a while to give us RKa big sloppy kiss.  Why is he so restless? He slept outside with no RKproblem for the 6 months that we have had him.  No he won’t go to sleep.         Why is he so restless?  Because he is no longer permitted to         sleep where he has grown accustomed to sleep. RK       -RK RKSend All Replies To: RK         OR         Sorry–can’t access e-mail right now. —  * SLMR 2.0 * Don’t blame–train!

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I have a question maybe someone can help me with.  I have two dogs, a 1yr old choc lab, and a 6month old Shep/Boxer.   The Lab used to sleep in our back padio.  It’s completly inclosed with access to the backyard.  We decided to bring him into our room to sleep now.  We felt sorry for him outside at night.  The Young dog goes right to sleep, or is content to lay there and gnaw on her Nylabone, but the Lab paces back and forth all night.  He stops every once in a while to give us a big sloppy kiss.  Why is he so restless?  He slept outside with no problem for the 6 months that we have had him.  No he won’t go to sleep. Thanks for any help.        -RK Send All Replies To:          OR

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I have a 4 month Australian Shepherd male, named Buck. He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand attention. I excersize him every night around 6-7pm, and he comes back very tired. However, he does sleep practically all day.  He is still a puppy, after all! Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved? Thanks!

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: I have a 4 month Australian Shepherd male, named Buck. : He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his : crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and : whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him : outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But : then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand : attention. : I excersize him every night around 6-7pm, and he comes back very tired. : However, he does sleep practically all day.  He is still a puppy, after : all! : Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the : entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved? I don’t want to presume so . . . exactly how many times a day is Buck getting exercised? Describe the kind of exercise, where it is, the length of each activity etc.  What are you doing for mental exercise? (Ever notice how tiring just thinking is?)  What is his behavior like in the hour immediately after the one hour evening exercise?  Where does he spend the day? and since he sleeps only "practically" all day what kind of stimulation does he get during the day? What is his "going out" schedule?  When is the last time in the evening that he has a chance to relieve himself?  How soon after that last opportunity are the two of you going to bed?  When you say "sleep through the entire night" exactly how many hours do you want Buck to sleep before needing to relieve himself? I’m kind of vague on the facts here, so more specific information will keep me from jumping to conclusions. Diane Blackman –       –       –       –       –       – "dogs confront people with the problem of deciding how far, if at all, our moral responsiblities should extend beyond the taxonomic boundaries of our species" "The Domestic Dog" ch 16, James Serpell

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Joseph said….. : Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the : entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved?

Hi Joseph and Diane, My situation is a little better in that my 15 week old English Setter puppy Tilly  will go out in the garden about 22.30-23.00 for the last time of the evening, she then sleeps with me most nights straight through until about 7.30-8.30. She then goes out to do her business and comes in for breakfast. Then we have a couple of hours active play in the garden and play with toys inside and she will go to sleep about 10.30 for a couple of hours. Play resumes around lunchtime and she has a walk (not too far since I am careful because of her developing hips). Then some more play and dinner at around 15.30. More play and another short walk, then she will sleep for most of the evening until her last visit to the garden at around 22.30-23.00, and so on. She has decided (by not eating the 3rd meal) that 2 meals is all she wants now most days, though some days she gets hungrier so I feed her again lunchtime and a slightly later dinner on those days. Occasionally she will have some biscuits, and there are various small rewards being given to her as she is being trained on an ongoing 5 minute at a time basis. She’s doing well with this training, sitting on command reliably and giving her paw, also does a good "down" most of the time. She seems to have settld into the routine well and seems very happy. Kay (and Tilly the English Setter puppy, and cat Parsley)

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: He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his : crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and : whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him : outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But Is he drinking a lot of water after his evening exercise? If so, he probably needs to go outside during the night. If he’s not drinking a lot, then this is probably just a habit for him – at four months, a puppy should be able to make it through the night. : then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand : attention. Figure a maximum of 8 hours before you need to take him out. Then (again, assuming he’s not gulping down a lot of water after his exercise) enforce quiet time. If he hasn’t learned to be quiet at night, I’d put him back in the crate to sleep every night. Then you need to ignore his demands for attention. You might first growl "You lie down and go to sleep" but don’t say anything more, positive or negative. I’ve also kept an extra crate in another room. Noisy, demanding pups get banished to that crate, and I got back in the bedroom and close the door. That seems to be pretty effective at teaching them that it’s not such a great idea to wake me up unless it’s really necessary. :-) April with Levi, Caper, and Epic, the Border Collie Hurricanes

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We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain.

  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is.

I think you have just answered your own question. As the old saying goes: Let sleeping dogs lie. C. Jackson, her trusty dog Max, and Buie who is waiting at the Rainbow Bridge

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We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain. Chamberlain is baby-gated in our large kitchen while my husband and I are at work.  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is. My question is should I leave things well enough alone or attempt to have him sleep with us?  Let me also note that when he gets in our room, he tends to get somewhat excited so I know that if we choose to let him sleep in our room, none of us will get much sleep for a while. Hey, if he’s happy so am I! Thanks,

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It sounds like your dog has claimed his territory. the kitchen is his den, like the crate is for some dogs, and that is where he feels safest. Your room may be considered your ‘den’, which would explain why he’s excited when he’s there. Why change? If he’s happy, why move him? If you are bent on giving it a try, you can move his bed, slowly, to your room. First, move it to the door of the kitchen, towards your room. Then gradually move it to your room. If that doesn’t work, you can try making it a game. Play with him in your room at night until he tires. keep the door closed for a while, and if he settles down and relaxes, open the door, giving him the choice. Keep this up, and after a while bring the bed into your room, offering him the chance to stay. Good Luck! Amanda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain. Chamberlain is baby-gated in our large kitchen while my husband and I are at work.  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is. My question is should I leave things well enough alone or attempt to have him sleep with us?  Let me also note that when he gets in our room, he tends to get somewhat excited so I know that if we choose to let him sleep in our room, none of us will get much sleep for a while. Hey, if he’s happy so am I! Thanks,

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once in a while to give us RKa big sloppy kiss.  Why is he so restless? He slept outside with no RKproblem for the 6 months that we have had him.  No he won’t go to sleep.         Why is he so restless?  Because he is no longer permitted to         sleep where he has grown accustomed to sleep. RK       -RK RKSend All Replies To: RK         OR         Sorry–can’t access e-mail right now. —  * SLMR 2.0 * Don’t blame–train!

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I have a question maybe someone can help me with.  I have two dogs, a 1yr old choc lab, and a 6month old Shep/Boxer.   The Lab used to sleep in our back padio.  It’s completly inclosed with access to the backyard.  We decided to bring him into our room to sleep now.  We felt sorry for him outside at night.  The Young dog goes right to sleep, or is content to lay there and gnaw on her Nylabone, but the Lab paces back and forth all night.  He stops every once in a while to give us a big sloppy kiss.  Why is he so restless?  He slept outside with no problem for the 6 months that we have had him.  No he won’t go to sleep. Thanks for any help.        -RK Send All Replies To:          OR

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I have a 4 month Australian Shepherd male, named Buck. He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand attention. I excersize him every night around 6-7pm, and he comes back very tired. However, he does sleep practically all day.  He is still a puppy, after all! Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved? Thanks!

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: I have a 4 month Australian Shepherd male, named Buck. : He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his : crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and : whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him : outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But : then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand : attention. : I excersize him every night around 6-7pm, and he comes back very tired. : However, he does sleep practically all day.  He is still a puppy, after : all! : Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the : entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved? I don’t want to presume so . . . exactly how many times a day is Buck getting exercised? Describe the kind of exercise, where it is, the length of each activity etc.  What are you doing for mental exercise? (Ever notice how tiring just thinking is?)  What is his behavior like in the hour immediately after the one hour evening exercise?  Where does he spend the day? and since he sleeps only "practically" all day what kind of stimulation does he get during the day? What is his "going out" schedule?  When is the last time in the evening that he has a chance to relieve himself?  How soon after that last opportunity are the two of you going to bed?  When you say "sleep through the entire night" exactly how many hours do you want Buck to sleep before needing to relieve himself? I’m kind of vague on the facts here, so more specific information will keep me from jumping to conclusions. Diane Blackman –       –       –       –       –       – "dogs confront people with the problem of deciding how far, if at all, our moral responsiblities should extend beyond the taxonomic boundaries of our species" "The Domestic Dog" ch 16, James Serpell

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Joseph said….. : Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the : entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved?

Hi Joseph and Diane, My situation is a little better in that my 15 week old English Setter puppy Tilly  will go out in the garden about 22.30-23.00 for the last time of the evening, she then sleeps with me most nights straight through until about 7.30-8.30. She then goes out to do her business and comes in for breakfast. Then we have a couple of hours active play in the garden and play with toys inside and she will go to sleep about 10.30 for a couple of hours. Play resumes around lunchtime and she has a walk (not too far since I am careful because of her developing hips). Then some more play and dinner at around 15.30. More play and another short walk, then she will sleep for most of the evening until her last visit to the garden at around 22.30-23.00, and so on. She has decided (by not eating the 3rd meal) that 2 meals is all she wants now most days, though some days she gets hungrier so I feed her again lunchtime and a slightly later dinner on those days. Occasionally she will have some biscuits, and there are various small rewards being given to her as she is being trained on an ongoing 5 minute at a time basis. She’s doing well with this training, sitting on command reliably and giving her paw, also does a good "down" most of the time. She seems to have settld into the routine well and seems very happy. Kay (and Tilly the English Setter puppy, and cat Parsley)

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: He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his : crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and : whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him : outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But Is he drinking a lot of water after his evening exercise? If so, he probably needs to go outside during the night. If he’s not drinking a lot, then this is probably just a habit for him – at four months, a puppy should be able to make it through the night. : then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand : attention. Figure a maximum of 8 hours before you need to take him out. Then (again, assuming he’s not gulping down a lot of water after his exercise) enforce quiet time. If he hasn’t learned to be quiet at night, I’d put him back in the crate to sleep every night. Then you need to ignore his demands for attention. You might first growl "You lie down and go to sleep" but don’t say anything more, positive or negative. I’ve also kept an extra crate in another room. Noisy, demanding pups get banished to that crate, and I got back in the bedroom and close the door. That seems to be pretty effective at teaching them that it’s not such a great idea to wake me up unless it’s really necessary. :-) April with Levi, Caper, and Epic, the Border Collie Hurricanes

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We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain.

  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is.

I think you have just answered your own question. As the old saying goes: Let sleeping dogs lie. C. Jackson, her trusty dog Max, and Buie who is waiting at the Rainbow Bridge

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We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain. Chamberlain is baby-gated in our large kitchen while my husband and I are at work.  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is. My question is should I leave things well enough alone or attempt to have him sleep with us?  Let me also note that when he gets in our room, he tends to get somewhat excited so I know that if we choose to let him sleep in our room, none of us will get much sleep for a while. Hey, if he’s happy so am I! Thanks,

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It sounds like your dog has claimed his territory. the kitchen is his den, like the crate is for some dogs, and that is where he feels safest. Your room may be considered your ‘den’, which would explain why he’s excited when he’s there. Why change? If he’s happy, why move him? If you are bent on giving it a try, you can move his bed, slowly, to your room. First, move it to the door of the kitchen, towards your room. Then gradually move it to your room. If that doesn’t work, you can try making it a game. Play with him in your room at night until he tires. keep the door closed for a while, and if he settles down and relaxes, open the door, giving him the choice. Keep this up, and after a while bring the bed into your room, offering him the chance to stay. Good Luck! Amanda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain. Chamberlain is baby-gated in our large kitchen while my husband and I are at work.  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is. My question is should I leave things well enough alone or attempt to have him sleep with us?  Let me also note that when he gets in our room, he tends to get somewhat excited so I know that if we choose to let him sleep in our room, none of us will get much sleep for a while. Hey, if he’s happy so am I! Thanks,

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once in a while to give us RKa big sloppy kiss.  Why is he so restless? He slept outside with no RKproblem for the 6 months that we have had him.  No he won’t go to sleep.         Why is he so restless?  Because he is no longer permitted to         sleep where he has grown accustomed to sleep. RK       -RK RKSend All Replies To: RK         OR         Sorry–can’t access e-mail right now. —  * SLMR 2.0 * Don’t blame–train!

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I have a question maybe someone can help me with.  I have two dogs, a 1yr old choc lab, and a 6month old Shep/Boxer.   The Lab used to sleep in our back padio.  It’s completly inclosed with access to the backyard.  We decided to bring him into our room to sleep now.  We felt sorry for him outside at night.  The Young dog goes right to sleep, or is content to lay there and gnaw on her Nylabone, but the Lab paces back and forth all night.  He stops every once in a while to give us a big sloppy kiss.  Why is he so restless?  He slept outside with no problem for the 6 months that we have had him.  No he won’t go to sleep. Thanks for any help.        -RK Send All Replies To:          OR

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I have a 4 month Australian Shepherd male, named Buck. He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand attention. I excersize him every night around 6-7pm, and he comes back very tired. However, he does sleep practically all day.  He is still a puppy, after all! Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved? Thanks!

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: I have a 4 month Australian Shepherd male, named Buck. : He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his : crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and : whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him : outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But : then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand : attention. : I excersize him every night around 6-7pm, and he comes back very tired. : However, he does sleep practically all day.  He is still a puppy, after : all! : Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the : entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved? I don’t want to presume so . . . exactly how many times a day is Buck getting exercised? Describe the kind of exercise, where it is, the length of each activity etc.  What are you doing for mental exercise? (Ever notice how tiring just thinking is?)  What is his behavior like in the hour immediately after the one hour evening exercise?  Where does he spend the day? and since he sleeps only "practically" all day what kind of stimulation does he get during the day? What is his "going out" schedule?  When is the last time in the evening that he has a chance to relieve himself?  How soon after that last opportunity are the two of you going to bed?  When you say "sleep through the entire night" exactly how many hours do you want Buck to sleep before needing to relieve himself? I’m kind of vague on the facts here, so more specific information will keep me from jumping to conclusions. Diane Blackman –       –       –       –       –       – "dogs confront people with the problem of deciding how far, if at all, our moral responsiblities should extend beyond the taxonomic boundaries of our species" "The Domestic Dog" ch 16, James Serpell

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Joseph said….. : Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the : entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved?

Hi Joseph and Diane, My situation is a little better in that my 15 week old English Setter puppy Tilly  will go out in the garden about 22.30-23.00 for the last time of the evening, she then sleeps with me most nights straight through until about 7.30-8.30. She then goes out to do her business and comes in for breakfast. Then we have a couple of hours active play in the garden and play with toys inside and she will go to sleep about 10.30 for a couple of hours. Play resumes around lunchtime and she has a walk (not too far since I am careful because of her developing hips). Then some more play and dinner at around 15.30. More play and another short walk, then she will sleep for most of the evening until her last visit to the garden at around 22.30-23.00, and so on. She has decided (by not eating the 3rd meal) that 2 meals is all she wants now most days, though some days she gets hungrier so I feed her again lunchtime and a slightly later dinner on those days. Occasionally she will have some biscuits, and there are various small rewards being given to her as she is being trained on an ongoing 5 minute at a time basis. She’s doing well with this training, sitting on command reliably and giving her paw, also does a good "down" most of the time. She seems to have settld into the routine well and seems very happy. Kay (and Tilly the English Setter puppy, and cat Parsley)

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: He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his : crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and : whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him : outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But Is he drinking a lot of water after his evening exercise? If so, he probably needs to go outside during the night. If he’s not drinking a lot, then this is probably just a habit for him – at four months, a puppy should be able to make it through the night. : then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand : attention. Figure a maximum of 8 hours before you need to take him out. Then (again, assuming he’s not gulping down a lot of water after his exercise) enforce quiet time. If he hasn’t learned to be quiet at night, I’d put him back in the crate to sleep every night. Then you need to ignore his demands for attention. You might first growl "You lie down and go to sleep" but don’t say anything more, positive or negative. I’ve also kept an extra crate in another room. Noisy, demanding pups get banished to that crate, and I got back in the bedroom and close the door. That seems to be pretty effective at teaching them that it’s not such a great idea to wake me up unless it’s really necessary. :-) April with Levi, Caper, and Epic, the Border Collie Hurricanes

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We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain.

  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is.

I think you have just answered your own question. As the old saying goes: Let sleeping dogs lie. C. Jackson, her trusty dog Max, and Buie who is waiting at the Rainbow Bridge

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We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain. Chamberlain is baby-gated in our large kitchen while my husband and I are at work.  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is. My question is should I leave things well enough alone or attempt to have him sleep with us?  Let me also note that when he gets in our room, he tends to get somewhat excited so I know that if we choose to let him sleep in our room, none of us will get much sleep for a while. Hey, if he’s happy so am I! Thanks,

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It sounds like your dog has claimed his territory. the kitchen is his den, like the crate is for some dogs, and that is where he feels safest. Your room may be considered your ‘den’, which would explain why he’s excited when he’s there. Why change? If he’s happy, why move him? If you are bent on giving it a try, you can move his bed, slowly, to your room. First, move it to the door of the kitchen, towards your room. Then gradually move it to your room. If that doesn’t work, you can try making it a game. Play with him in your room at night until he tires. keep the door closed for a while, and if he settles down and relaxes, open the door, giving him the choice. Keep this up, and after a while bring the bed into your room, offering him the chance to stay. Good Luck! Amanda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain. Chamberlain is baby-gated in our large kitchen while my husband and I are at work.  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is. My question is should I leave things well enough alone or attempt to have him sleep with us?  Let me also note that when he gets in our room, he tends to get somewhat excited so I know that if we choose to let him sleep in our room, none of us will get much sleep for a while. Hey, if he’s happy so am I! Thanks,

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once in a while to give us RKa big sloppy kiss.  Why is he so restless? He slept outside with no RKproblem for the 6 months that we have had him.  No he won’t go to sleep.         Why is he so restless?  Because he is no longer permitted to         sleep where he has grown accustomed to sleep. RK       -RK RKSend All Replies To: RK         OR         Sorry–can’t access e-mail right now. —  * SLMR 2.0 * Don’t blame–train!

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I have a question maybe someone can help me with.  I have two dogs, a 1yr old choc lab, and a 6month old Shep/Boxer.   The Lab used to sleep in our back padio.  It’s completly inclosed with access to the backyard.  We decided to bring him into our room to sleep now.  We felt sorry for him outside at night.  The Young dog goes right to sleep, or is content to lay there and gnaw on her Nylabone, but the Lab paces back and forth all night.  He stops every once in a while to give us a big sloppy kiss.  Why is he so restless?  He slept outside with no problem for the 6 months that we have had him.  No he won’t go to sleep. Thanks for any help.        -RK Send All Replies To:          OR

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I have a 4 month Australian Shepherd male, named Buck. He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand attention. I excersize him every night around 6-7pm, and he comes back very tired. However, he does sleep practically all day.  He is still a puppy, after all! Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved? Thanks!

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: I have a 4 month Australian Shepherd male, named Buck. : He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his : crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and : whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him : outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But : then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand : attention. : I excersize him every night around 6-7pm, and he comes back very tired. : However, he does sleep practically all day.  He is still a puppy, after : all! : Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the : entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved? I don’t want to presume so . . . exactly how many times a day is Buck getting exercised? Describe the kind of exercise, where it is, the length of each activity etc.  What are you doing for mental exercise? (Ever notice how tiring just thinking is?)  What is his behavior like in the hour immediately after the one hour evening exercise?  Where does he spend the day? and since he sleeps only "practically" all day what kind of stimulation does he get during the day? What is his "going out" schedule?  When is the last time in the evening that he has a chance to relieve himself?  How soon after that last opportunity are the two of you going to bed?  When you say "sleep through the entire night" exactly how many hours do you want Buck to sleep before needing to relieve himself? I’m kind of vague on the facts here, so more specific information will keep me from jumping to conclusions. Diane Blackman –       –       –       –       –       – "dogs confront people with the problem of deciding how far, if at all, our moral responsiblities should extend beyond the taxonomic boundaries of our species" "The Domestic Dog" ch 16, James Serpell

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Joseph said….. : Does anyone have any idea if I should expect Buck to sleep through the : entire night?  And if so, how can this be achieved?

Hi Joseph and Diane, My situation is a little better in that my 15 week old English Setter puppy Tilly  will go out in the garden about 22.30-23.00 for the last time of the evening, she then sleeps with me most nights straight through until about 7.30-8.30. She then goes out to do her business and comes in for breakfast. Then we have a couple of hours active play in the garden and play with toys inside and she will go to sleep about 10.30 for a couple of hours. Play resumes around lunchtime and she has a walk (not too far since I am careful because of her developing hips). Then some more play and dinner at around 15.30. More play and another short walk, then she will sleep for most of the evening until her last visit to the garden at around 22.30-23.00, and so on. She has decided (by not eating the 3rd meal) that 2 meals is all she wants now most days, though some days she gets hungrier so I feed her again lunchtime and a slightly later dinner on those days. Occasionally she will have some biscuits, and there are various small rewards being given to her as she is being trained on an ongoing 5 minute at a time basis. She’s doing well with this training, sitting on command reliably and giving her paw, also does a good "down" most of the time. She seems to have settld into the routine well and seems very happy. Kay (and Tilly the English Setter puppy, and cat Parsley)

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: He sleeps at night in my bedroom on the floor, or sometimes in his : crate.  He is still waking up at varying times during the night and : whining.  Sometimes 12 am, sometimes at 3 am.  Usually I take him : outside to relieve himself and he then he will settle down again.  But Is he drinking a lot of water after his evening exercise? If so, he probably needs to go outside during the night. If he’s not drinking a lot, then this is probably just a habit for him – at four months, a puppy should be able to make it through the night. : then he’ll awaken very early (about 5 am) and will run around and demand : attention. Figure a maximum of 8 hours before you need to take him out. Then (again, assuming he’s not gulping down a lot of water after his exercise) enforce quiet time. If he hasn’t learned to be quiet at night, I’d put him back in the crate to sleep every night. Then you need to ignore his demands for attention. You might first growl "You lie down and go to sleep" but don’t say anything more, positive or negative. I’ve also kept an extra crate in another room. Noisy, demanding pups get banished to that crate, and I got back in the bedroom and close the door. That seems to be pretty effective at teaching them that it’s not such a great idea to wake me up unless it’s really necessary. :-) April with Levi, Caper, and Epic, the Border Collie Hurricanes

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We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain.

  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is.

I think you have just answered your own question. As the old saying goes: Let sleeping dogs lie. C. Jackson, her trusty dog Max, and Buie who is waiting at the Rainbow Bridge

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We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain. Chamberlain is baby-gated in our large kitchen while my husband and I are at work.  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is. My question is should I leave things well enough alone or attempt to have him sleep with us?  Let me also note that when he gets in our room, he tends to get somewhat excited so I know that if we choose to let him sleep in our room, none of us will get much sleep for a while. Hey, if he’s happy so am I! Thanks,

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It sounds like your dog has claimed his territory. the kitchen is his den, like the crate is for some dogs, and that is where he feels safest. Your room may be considered your ‘den’, which would explain why he’s excited when he’s there. Why change? If he’s happy, why move him? If you are bent on giving it a try, you can move his bed, slowly, to your room. First, move it to the door of the kitchen, towards your room. Then gradually move it to your room. If that doesn’t work, you can try making it a game. Play with him in your room at night until he tires. keep the door closed for a while, and if he settles down and relaxes, open the door, giving him the choice. Keep this up, and after a while bring the bed into your room, offering him the chance to stay. Good Luck! Amanda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have an almost 2-year old English Bulldog named Chamberlain. Chamberlain is baby-gated in our large kitchen while my husband and I are at work.  For some reason it has become extremely important to ME that he (Chamberlain), sleep in our bedroom at night.  Let me note that as long as we are home, Chamberlain has free roam of the house and on nights that we don’t go to bed as early as he wants to, he goes into the kitchen, curls up on his bed, and promptly goes to sleep.   Seems to me that he is very well adjusted and happy to have his bed where it is. My question is should I leave things well enough alone or attempt to have him sleep with us?  Let me also note that when he gets in our room, he tends to get somewhat excited so I know that if we choose to let him sleep in our room, none of us will get much sleep for a while. Hey, if he’s happy so am I! Thanks,

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once in a while to give us RKa big sloppy kiss.  Why is he so restless? He slept outside with no RKproblem for the 6 months that we have had him.  No he won’t go to sleep.         Why is he so restless?  Because he is no longer permitted to         sleep where he has grown accustomed to sleep. RK       -RK RKSend All Replies To: RK         OR         Sorry–can’t access e-mail right now. —  * SLMR 2.0 * Don’t blame–train!

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I have a question maybe someone can help me with.  I have two dogs, a 1yr old choc lab, and a 6month old Shep/Boxer.   The Lab used to sleep in our back padio.  It’s completly inclosed with access to the backyard.  We decided to bring him into our room to sleep now.  We felt sorry for him outside at night.  The Young dog goes right to sleep, or is content to lay there and gnaw on her Nylabone, but the Lab paces back and forth all night.  He stops every once in a while to give us a big sloppy kiss.  Why is he so restless?  He slept outside with no problem for the 6 months that we have had him.  No he won’t go to sleep. Thanks for any help.        -RK Send All Replies To:          OR

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Has anyone tried sleeping on their back and noticed a difference in their acne? I want to try this but find laying on my back all night is uncomfortable.

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I havent really noticed anything too significant, but I start off the night on my back anyway.  I feel it cant hurt to have your face touch the pillow as little as possible.  I always wake up on my side or front… ~s

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it makes total sense to sleep on your back to minimize agitation.  Also if you have constant new sores and stuff why not also change the pillow cases every day?  I never though of this before but am doing it now.  Cause if their is any exposure you will be moving around in the bacteria which goes against any skin care regimine. Also not sure if you are overweight or not but I was and dropping a ton of weight and eating right and exercising now allows me to sleep 8-9 hours/night and get to sleep within 15 minutes.  And I can now sleep on my back because its easier to breath.  sleeping on your stomach arches your back and if you don’t have a comfortable bed your going to be in bad shape anyway.  For me even though dropping the weight helped I had to put a pillow under my knees so they don’t arch and cause me pain and then Im good.

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Has anyone tried sleeping on their back and noticed a difference in their acne? I want to try this but find laying on my back all night is uncomfortable.

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I havent really noticed anything too significant, but I start off the night on my back anyway.  I feel it cant hurt to have your face touch the pillow as little as possible.  I always wake up on my side or front… ~s

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone tried sleeping on their back and noticed a difference in their acne? I want to try this but find laying on my back all night is uncomfortable.

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it makes total sense to sleep on your back to minimize agitation.  Also if you have constant new sores and stuff why not also change the pillow cases every day?  I never though of this before but am doing it now.  Cause if their is any exposure you will be moving around in the bacteria which goes against any skin care regimine. Also not sure if you are overweight or not but I was and dropping a ton of weight and eating right and exercising now allows me to sleep 8-9 hours/night and get to sleep within 15 minutes.  And I can now sleep on my back because its easier to breath.  sleeping on your stomach arches your back and if you don’t have a comfortable bed your going to be in bad shape anyway.  For me even though dropping the weight helped I had to put a pillow under my knees so they don’t arch and cause me pain and then Im good.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone tried sleeping on their back and noticed a difference in their acne? I want to try this but find laying on my back all night is uncomfortable.

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Does anybody know effective way to keep the regular normal sleeping pattern? I keep waking up until funny hours at night (3 to 4 am) and fail to wake up at the right time. From midnight to 3,4am, I spend time so unproductively trying to sleep. This is driving me nuts. I want to have a deep sound sleep and be productive when I am supposed to be. So far I have tried everything suggested by friends, including music, herb, exercise, etc but they haven’t been so effective. Please let me know if somebody has other suggestions. Joy

        Well, your problem could be something totally different, but I’ve recently tried an eye cover at night, the aim being to block out all light. It’s made a difference in that I go to sleep faster and deeper. (At least one study says it can make a difference in improving women’s cycles, esp. with exposure to, say, a nightlight on the 3 days before ovulation should occur). Just a thought,         michele

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Does anybody know effective way to keep the regular normal sleeping pattern? I keep waking up until funny hours at night (3 to 4 am) and fail to wake up at the right time. From midnight to 3,4am, I spend time so unproductively trying to sleep. This is driving me nuts. I want to have a deep sound sleep and be productive when I am supposed to be. So far I have tried everything suggested by friends, including music, herb, exercise, etc but they haven’t been so effective. Please let me know if somebody has other suggestions. Joy

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Does anybody know effective way to keep the regular normal sleeping pattern? I keep waking up until funny hours at night (3 to 4 am) and fail to wake up at the right time. From midnight to 3,4am, I spend time so unproductively trying to sleep. This is driving me nuts. I want to have a deep sound sleep and be productive when I am supposed to be. So far I have tried everything suggested by friends, including music, herb, exercise, etc but they haven’t been so effective. Please let me know if somebody has other suggestions. Joy

        Well, your problem could be something totally different, but I’ve recently tried an eye cover at night, the aim being to block out all light. It’s made a difference in that I go to sleep faster and deeper. (At least one study says it can make a difference in improving women’s cycles, esp. with exposure to, say, a nightlight on the 3 days before ovulation should occur). Just a thought,         michele

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Does anybody know effective way to keep the regular normal sleeping pattern? I keep waking up until funny hours at night (3 to 4 am) and fail to wake up at the right time. From midnight to 3,4am, I spend time so unproductively trying to sleep. This is driving me nuts. I want to have a deep sound sleep and be productive when I am supposed to be. So far I have tried everything suggested by friends, including music, herb, exercise, etc but they haven’t been so effective. Please let me know if somebody has other suggestions. Joy

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Do any of you folks have trouble sleeping?  I can get to sleep easily enough but wake up in about 4 hours and it’s very difficult to get back to sleep. My husband has a similar problem.  If you do or have had this problem, did you find anything that helped?

Try a cup Chamomile tea or Passion Flower tea.   I buy Nighty Night which includes both. You might even  fall asleep during the steeping. :-) maureen

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Andy writes:

    I have the same problem…    I just log onto the intenet and read some posts from the Canadians……  Often I doze off before I can shut down the computer……  <G                                                Andy

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Andy writes:    I have the same problem…    I just log onto the intenet and read some posts from the Canadians……  Often I doze off before I can shut down the computer……  <G                                               Andy

I wish I had that problem.  I have a hard time finding decent arguments from rightards that I might read.  :( maureen

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Well, I’m not depressed but I do have the same sleep problem.  I ususally lay awake  for 1 or 2 hours before going back to sleep.   I think it is caused by a condition called aging.    Anne    

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I am one who never has a problem falling asleep, but occasionally, I wake up at about 3:00am.  I get up, have a bowl of cereal, read my email and go back to sleep easily until my alarm goes off.  Even though I do not have to work every day, I always have my alarm set and always go to bed at the same time.  Regular hours helps me.

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Do any of you folks have trouble sleeping?  I can get to sleep easily enough but wake up in about 4 hours and it’s very difficult to get back to sleep. My husband has a similar problem.  If you do or have had this problem, did you find anything that helped?

SEX

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Do any of you folks have trouble sleeping?  I can get to sleep easily enough but wake up in about 4 hours and it’s very difficult to get back to sleep. My husband has a similar problem.  If you do or have had this problem, did you find anything that helped? This sounds like what the shrinks call early morning awakening (EMA), which is completely different from difficulty falling asleep (DFA). I’ve heard that EMA is associated with depression. You might try some very enjoyable reading before going to bed or when you can’t get back to sleep. Indoarsman

Patga,   You and your husband are BOTH having similiar symptoms?  Suggest you just use the time once awakened for a little canoodling!  It will certainly put him back to sleep which will be progress.   Is there a guy out there who is not sleeping 5 (or two) minutes later! Simple solution and my secretary will send your husband a bill.

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Do any of you folks have trouble sleeping?  I can get to sleep easily enough but wake up in about 4 hours and it’s very difficult to get back to sleep. My husband has a similar problem.  If you do or have had this problem, did you find anything that helped?

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Do any of you folks have trouble sleeping?  I can get to sleep easily enough but wake up in about 4 hours and it’s very difficult to get back to sleep. My husband has a similar problem.  If you do or have had this problem, did you find anything that helped?

Have I got a deal for you!  Ask any druggist around here and he will sell you the cheapest generic antihistamine (for colds or allergies) on the shelf. When you wake up, pop a pill.  The current drug, probably the same one used in over the counter sleep aids, is Diphenhydramine HCI 25 mg.   — Glenn

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Do any of you folks have trouble sleeping?  I can get to sleep easily enough but wake up in about 4 hours and it’s very difficult to get back to sleep. My husband has a similar problem.  If you do or have had this problem, did you find anything that helped?

This sounds like what the shrinks call early morning awakening (EMA), which is completely different from difficulty falling asleep (DFA). I’ve heard that EMA is associated with depression. You might try some very enjoyable reading before going to bed or when you can’t get back to sleep. Indoarsman

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Alright,  I noticed all week I had trouble sleeping when I went to smoking a few carltons a day from 35+ regular butts…..but now that I am SMOKE FREE :) (16hrs)  I cant sleep.  I rolled around all night with weird thoughts in my head. Just using gum p.r.n. (Is this a withdrawal symptom or am I goin’ nutso? One more thing, all of those who have quit for a period of time…have you gained much weight? — ~Heidi~