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>From: FurPaw furpawnews…@comcast.net >Date: 4/20/03 1:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Tell it all, Sharon – it wasn’t the money, it was the buzz! 
Oh all right ;-p Sharon…………Cats, Coffee, Chocolate…vices to live by
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>From: Kevin and Sue Mullen kjmul…@comcast.net >Date: 4/20/03 1:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time >LOL……..Sharon, as long as you are ok now, that is the important >thing….sue
I sometimes wonder about my heart. I don’t seem to get as many skipped beats since I quit,but I’m not sure about that. I honestly didn’t know,or didn’t pay attention to the fact that, they can cause heart damage. I am coming off a night where I had nightmares all night long. I woke from one and wished it were daylight. I haven’t had a night like that for a long time. Sharon…………Cats, Coffee, Chocolate…vices to live by
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In article <7Vyoa.70034$ja4.4655…@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - "Eva" <EvaDStru…@NOatt.net> wrote: > "Kevin and Sue Mullen" <kjmul…@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:3EA2B782.70703@comcast.net… > > Eva wrote: > > > "Kevin and Sue Mullen" <kjmul…@comcast.net> wrote in message > > > news:3EA2AC6E.8000500@comcast.net… > > >>I thought that the OTC inhalers were being taken off the market, here in > > >>the USA. If not, they should be, to many people abuse them. > > > ————- > > > Abuse them? You mean, to get high? > > > Eva (worried about teenager) > > I didn’t even think about that, don’t know if you could get high or not. > > I was thinking more of a person with breathing problems, using an OTC > > inhaler and not seeing their doctor. Also of a person using an OTC > > inhaler more often then it should be used, causing many side effects. Of > > course this could be done with a prescription inhaler also. > ———- > Sorry, I saw the word "abuse" and that was what I thought of. Kids will do > all kinds of things if they think it will get them high. Good God, we used > to sniff Carbona! (A spot remover, very toxic.) Airplane glue, Krylon > spray paint….it’s very scary. Thanks for the explanation.
The thing is, though, not all kids do this or want to do this. Kids abuse substances because of other stuff. If your kid’s basically OK and getting what they need at home, chances are extremely good they won’t get into substance abuse. Substance abuse is a symptom. Priscilla — "I don’t feel comfortable with a boot with my name on it on the throat of the rest of the world." – Alan Winston in rec.arts.sf.fandom
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Eva wrote: > "Kevin and Sue Mullen" <kjmul…@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:3EA2BE04.3090709@comcast.net… >>Did you see my other post about side effects? When I have used my >>inhaler more then prescribed, I get very jittery, my heart races and I >>get palpetations(sp). > ———- > That doesn’t sound too pleasant at all! I’m glad you found a doctor that is > helping you.
A Doctor like my ex-doctor, who needed to be in complete control, is the reason I wound up in the hospital a couple of times. Since moving and getting a new doctor, who believes in teaching me how to handle an attack, I have never had to go to the ER or the hospital. I have had bad attacks, but know how to handle them, untill I can see the doctor. sue
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"Priscilla Ballou" <vze23…@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-379BB3.11035520042003@news.verizon.net… > In article > <Azyoa.70007$ja4.4654…@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, > "Eva" <EvaDStru…@NOatt.net> wrote: > > "Kevin and Sue Mullen" <kjmul…@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:3EA2AC6E.8000500@comcast.net… > > > I thought that the OTC inhalers were being taken off the market, here in > > > the USA. If not, they should be, to many people abuse them. > > ————- > > Abuse them? You mean, to get high? > *Can* you get high off inhaler meds? I mean those for asthma.
A lot of asthma inhalers contain steroids. They can have a similar effect to "anabolic steroids" if you are into weight training. You should see my brother’s physique! (kung fu muscles however <g>) — Jette "Work for Peace and remain Fiercely Loving" – Jim Byrnes je…@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->From: "Jette Goldie" j…@blueyonder.com.uk >Date: 4/20/03 6:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time >"Frankenmel" <franken…@aol.comnospam> wrote >> Now I do apologize to Jette for urging her to at least carry an inhaler. I >was >> quite alarmed when she described the (can’t remember how she said it) >bronchial >> reaction because to me that *is* a symptom of asthma,regardless of what a >> doctor might say. It’s a simple matter over here to at least get an OTC >> inhaler. I don’t see anything scary about it at all. BUT…if you >> believe,Jette,that you don’t have asthma or can control it,that’s up to >you. >Whereas here there is no such thing as an "over the counter >inhaler". They’re all prescription drugs.
I wondered about that. I still question your doctor. Sharon…………Cats, Coffee, Chocolate…vices to live by
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>From: "Eva" EvaDStru…@NOatt.net >Date: 4/20/03 7:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time >"Kevin and Sue Mullen" <kjmul…@comcast.net> wrote in message >news:3EA2AC6E.8000500@comcast.net… >> I thought that the OTC inhalers were being taken off the market, here in >> the USA. If not, they should be, to many people abuse them. >————- >Abuse them? You mean, to get high?
Yes,I think they use them in addition to crack or something. I heard once and forgot. Sharon…………Cats, Coffee, Chocolate…vices to live by
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In article <vze23t8n-88BEE3.11464720042…@news.verizon.net>, Priscilla Ballou <vze23…@verizon.net> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article > <7Vyoa.70034$ja4.4655…@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, > "Eva" <EvaDStru…@NOatt.net> wrote: > > "Kevin and Sue Mullen" <kjmul…@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:3EA2B782.70703@comcast.net… > > > Eva wrote: > > > > "Kevin and Sue Mullen" <kjmul…@comcast.net> wrote in message > > > > news:3EA2AC6E.8000500@comcast.net… > > > >>I thought that the OTC inhalers were being taken off the market, here in > > > >>the USA. If not, they should be, to many people abuse them. > > > > ————- > > > > Abuse them? You mean, to get high? > > > > Eva (worried about teenager) > > > I didn’t even think about that, don’t know if you could get high or not. > > > I was thinking more of a person with breathing problems, using an OTC > > > inhaler and not seeing their doctor. Also of a person using an OTC > > > inhaler more often then it should be used, causing many side effects. Of > > > course this could be done with a prescription inhaler also. > > ———- > > Sorry, I saw the word "abuse" and that was what I thought of. Kids will do > > all kinds of things if they think it will get them high. Good God, we used > > to sniff Carbona! (A spot remover, very toxic.) Airplane glue, Krylon > > spray paint….it’s very scary. Thanks for the explanation. > The thing is, though, not all kids do this or want to do this. Kids > abuse substances because of other stuff. If your kid’s basically OK and > getting what they need at home, chances are extremely good they won’t > get into substance abuse. Substance abuse is a symptom.
That "you" is a general "you" not a specific "you." Priscilla — "I don’t feel comfortable with a boot with my name on it on the throat of the rest of the world." – Alan Winston in rec.arts.sf.fandom
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jette Goldie wrote: > "Priscilla Ballou" <vze23…@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:vze23t8n-379BB3.11035520042003@news.verizon.net… >>In article >><Azyoa.70007$ja4.4654…@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, >> "Eva" <EvaDStru…@NOatt.net> wrote: >>>"Kevin and Sue Mullen" <kjmul…@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>news:3EA2AC6E.8000500@comcast.net… >>>>I thought that the OTC inhalers were being taken off the market, here > in >>>>the USA. If not, they should be, to many people abuse them. >>>————- >>>Abuse them? You mean, to get high? >>*Can* you get high off inhaler meds? I mean those for asthma. > A lot of asthma inhalers contain steroids. They can have > a similar effect to "anabolic steroids" if you are into weight > training. You should see my brother’s physique! (kung fu > muscles however <g>)
The steroids used for asthma are corticosteroids and as far as I have know they do not have the same effect as anabolic steroids. I am not a medical person, but have either been told this by my doctor or read it somewhere, don’t remember which. sue
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Frankenmel wrote: >>From: "Eva" EvaDStru…@NOatt.net >>Date: 4/20/03 7:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time >>"Kevin and Sue Mullen" <kjmul…@comcast.net> wrote in message >>news:3EA2AC6E.8000500@comcast.net… >>>I thought that the OTC inhalers were being taken off the market, here in >>>the USA. If not, they should be, to many people abuse them. >>————- >>Abuse them? You mean, to get high? > Yes,I think they use them in addition to crack or something. I heard once and > forgot.
I didn’t know that. sue
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->From: Kevin and Sue Mullen kjmul…@comcast.net >Date: 4/20/03 11:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time >Frankenmel wrote: >>>From: "Eva" EvaDStru…@NOatt.net >>>Date: 4/20/03 7:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time >>>"Kevin and Sue Mullen" <kjmul…@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>news:3EA2AC6E.8000500@comcast.net… >>>>I thought that the OTC inhalers were being taken off the market, here in >>>>the USA. If not, they should be, to many people abuse them. >>>————- >>>Abuse them? You mean, to get high? >> Yes,I think they use them in addition to crack or something. I heard once >and >> forgot. >I didn’t know that.
That’s what the pharmacies told us. They are even considering putting them behind the counter. Sharon…………Cats, Coffee, Chocolate…vices to live by
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Kevin and Sue Mullen wrote: > Jette Goldie wrote: >> A lot of asthma inhalers contain steroids. They can have >> a similar effect to "anabolic steroids" if you are into weight >> training. You should see my brother’s physique! (kung fu >> muscles however <g>) > The steroids used for asthma are corticosteroids and as far as I have > know they do not have the same effect as anabolic steroids. I am not a > medical person, but have either been told this by my doctor or read it > somewhere, don’t remember which.
AFAICT, you are correct, Sue. The steroids used to treat asthma are corticosteroids, not anabolic steroids. Corticosteroids are chemically related to a steroid released by the adrenal glands, cortisol. Anabolic steroids are chemically related to androgens, male sex hormones, which are mostly produced in the testes, a bit in the adrenal glands (in both sexes). AFAIK, they don’t have similar effects on the body. If anyone doubts this, read up on the side effects of prednisone, a corticosteroid. You won’t find "big muscles" – muscle weakness is a common side effect. Inhaled corticosteroids are given in tiny doses, so they don’t have most of the side effects of oral or injected steroids, but they’re not going to promote muscle growth, either. And Primatene, an OTC rescue inhaler available in the US, contains epinephrine (aka adrenaline), which certainly can give you a buzz – increased heart rate, alertness, sweating, dry mouth, etc. Not a pleasant buzz, from my point of view, but some might like it. Most prescription rescue inhalers contain albuterol or levalbuterol, which has effects similar to taking adrenaline, by changes it induces in some nerves and bronchial muscle. FurPaw — They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety – B. Franklin To reply, unleash the dog.
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>From: FurPaw furpawnews…@comcast.net >Date: 4/20/03 12:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time >And Primatene, an OTC rescue inhaler available in the US, >contains epinephrine (aka adrenaline), which certainly can >give you a buzz – increased heart rate, alertness, sweating, >dry mouth, etc. Not a pleasant buzz, from my point of view, >but some might like it.
Okay…I’m going to confess. For years,I used Primatene…to save money. I know it was dumb. I regret it. I found the prescription ones didn’t even cost much more,if at all,through drugstore.com. It did give me a sort of buzz and heart race,which I didn’t like. I wish I could turn back the clock,but I can’t. Ah…I feel much better. Bring on the host and the grape juice. Sharon…………Cats, Coffee, Chocolate…vices to live by
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Frankenmel wrote: >>From: FurPaw furpawnews…@comcast.net >>Date: 4/20/03 12:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time >>And Primatene, an OTC rescue inhaler available in the US, >>contains epinephrine (aka adrenaline), which certainly can >>give you a buzz – increased heart rate, alertness, sweating, >>dry mouth, etc. Not a pleasant buzz, from my point of view, >>but some might like it. > Okay…I’m going to confess. For years,I used Primatene…to save money. I know > it was dumb. I regret it. I found the prescription ones didn’t even cost much > more,if at all,through drugstore.com. It did give me a sort of buzz and heart > race,which I didn’t like. I wish I could turn back the clock,but I can’t. > Ah…I feel much better. Bring on the host and the grape juice.
Tell it all, Sharon – it wasn’t the money, it was the buzz! FurPaw — They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety – B. Franklin To reply, unleash the dog.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -FurPaw wrote: > Frankenmel wrote: >>> From: FurPaw furpawnews…@comcast.net Date: 4/20/03 12:33 PM Pacific >>> Daylight Time >>> And Primatene, an OTC rescue inhaler available in the US, contains >>> epinephrine (aka adrenaline), which certainly can give you a buzz – >>> increased heart rate, alertness, sweating, dry mouth, etc. Not a >>> pleasant buzz, from my point of view, but some might like it. >> Okay…I’m going to confess. For years,I used Primatene…to save >> money. I know >> it was dumb. I regret it. I found the prescription ones didn’t even >> cost much >> more,if at all,through drugstore.com. It did give me a sort of buzz >> and heart >> race,which I didn’t like. I wish I could turn back the clock,but I can’t. >> Ah…I feel much better. Bring on the host and the grape juice. > Tell it all, Sharon – it wasn’t the money, it was the buzz!
LOL……..Sharon, as long as you are ok now, that is the important thing….sue
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Priscilla Ballou wrote: > In article > <Azyoa.70007$ja4.4654…@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, > "Eva" <EvaDStru…@NOatt.net> wrote: >>"Kevin and Sue Mullen" <kjmul…@comcast.net> wrote in message >>news:3EA2AC6E.8000500@comcast.net… >>>I thought that the OTC inhalers were being taken off the market, here in >>>the USA. If not, they should be, to many people abuse them. >>————- >>Abuse them? You mean, to get high? > *Can* you get high off inhaler meds? I mean those for asthma.
I don’t know. In the past when I have use my prescription inhaler more often then prescribed, I have not gotten high. I just got very jittery and my heart started to race. I am talking about broncodilaters(sp), such as ventolin, not steroid inhalers. sue
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Kevin and Sue Mullen wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eva wrote: >> "Kevin and Sue Mullen" <kjmul…@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:3EA2AC6E.8000500@comcast.net… >>> I thought that the OTC inhalers were being taken off the market, here in >>> the USA. If not, they should be, to many people abuse them. >> ————- >> Abuse them? You mean, to get high? >> Eva (worried about teenager) > I didn’t even think about that, don’t know if you could get high or not. > I was thinking more of a person with breathing problems, using an OTC > inhaler and not seeing their doctor. Also of a person using an OTC > inhaler more often then it should be used, causing many side effects. Of > course this could be done with a prescription inhaler also.
I used a nonprescription inhaler (Primatene) *once* – I thought I was having a heart attack afterwards, my chest hurt so badly. It went directly into the trash. (oops, should I have recycled it?) From my experience, it makes it difficult to see how anyone would use nonprescription inhalers, much less abuse them. But maybe I was just lucky that I had such an adverse reaction to it. Sumbitch! I just looked it up, it is still being sold in the US, and it is made by our old friend, Wyeth. FurPaw — They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety – B. Franklin To reply, unleash the dog.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eva wrote: > "Kevin and Sue Mullen" <kjmul…@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:3EA2B782.70703@comcast.net… >>Eva wrote: >>>"Kevin and Sue Mullen" <kjmul…@comcast.net> wrote in message >>>news:3EA2AC6E.8000500@comcast.net… >>>>I thought that the OTC inhalers were being taken off the market, here in >>>>the USA. If not, they should be, to many people abuse them. >>>————- >>>Abuse them? You mean, to get high? >>>Eva (worried about teenager) >>I didn’t even think about that, don’t know if you could get high or not. >> I was thinking more of a person with breathing problems, using an OTC >>inhaler and not seeing their doctor. Also of a person using an OTC >>inhaler more often then it should be used, causing many side effects. Of >>course this could be done with a prescription inhaler also. > ———- > Sorry, I saw the word "abuse" and that was what I thought of. Kids will do > all kinds of things if they think it will get them high. Good God, we used > to sniff Carbona! (A spot remover, very toxic.) Airplane glue, Krylon > spray paint….it’s very scary. Thanks for the explanation.
Did you see my other post about side effects? When I have used my inhaler more then prescribed, I get very jittery, my heart races and I get palpetations(sp). Now I have a great doctor, who has taught me how to manage my asthma, without having to abuse my inhalers. sue – who used to love Carbona for spots!!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->From: "Eva" EvaDStru…@NOatt.net >Date: 4/19/03 2:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time >I hadn’t been following the original thread, since GERD doesn’t affect me >(knock wood). >Reading this now, I can’t help but remember the time we were talking about >my cat getting a stuck turd! You warned me that it could be the first >symptom of kidney failure, based on your personal experience with your cat. >I protested that it was a one-time thing. You urged me to check with the >vet. I said I would, but that I didn’t think there was any urgency since it >was a one-time thing. I said I’d ask the vet at Rosie’s next checkup, which >at that point was a month or two away. >So this must have happened last summer or late spring, and it hasn’t >happened again. I disagreed with you that it was cause for immediate >concern, but I’m still glad you posted the warning, because if it *had* >continued I don’t think I would otherwise have taken it seriously enough. >Is there a valid analogy here? Or should I have stayed out of this >altogether?! >Eva
Yes,it is a valid analogy. I hesitated to say it before,but with all the back and forth going on about this controversy,I must say that it was Mary Beth’s (to me) extremely emotional response to my (very intermittent) problem that set off my bells. Mary Beth,with all due respect,I found your extremely lengthy post/s very upsetting. It’s fine and dandy to say to someone if this continues,and if you have stomach acid coming up in your throat,it would be in your best interests to have it checked out. Instead,I read a few posts that went into scary detail about relatives and dire things that went wrong. As I said before,I have a very vivid imagination. Now I do apologize to Jette for urging her to at least carry an inhaler. I was quite alarmed when she described the (can’t remember how she said it) bronchial reaction because to me that *is* a symptom of asthma,regardless of what a doctor might say. It’s a simple matter over here to at least get an OTC inhaler. I don’t see anything scary about it at all. BUT…if you believe,Jette,that you don’t have asthma or can control it,that’s up to you. Sharon…………Cats, Coffee, Chocolate…vices to live by
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"Frankenmel" <franken…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20030419231506.19022.00000296@mb-m11.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >From: "Eva" EvaDStru…@NOatt.net > >Date: 4/19/03 2:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time > >I hadn’t been following the original thread, since GERD doesn’t affect me > >(knock wood). > >Reading this now, I can’t help but remember the time we were talking about > >my cat getting a stuck turd! You warned me that it could be the first > >symptom of kidney failure, based on your personal experience with your cat. > >I protested that it was a one-time thing. You urged me to check with the > >vet. I said I would, but that I didn’t think there was any urgency since it > >was a one-time thing. I said I’d ask the vet at Rosie’s next checkup, which > >at that point was a month or two away. > >So this must have happened last summer or late spring, and it hasn’t > >happened again. I disagreed with you that it was cause for immediate > >concern, but I’m still glad you posted the warning, because if it *had* > >continued I don’t think I would otherwise have taken it seriously enough. > >Is there a valid analogy here? Or should I have stayed out of this > >altogether?! > >Eva > Yes,it is a valid analogy. I hesitated to say it before,but with all the back > and forth going on about this controversy,I must say that it was Mary Beth’s > (to me) extremely emotional response to my (very intermittent) problem that set > off my bells. Mary Beth,with all due respect,I found your extremely lengthy > post/s very upsetting. It’s fine and dandy to say to someone if this > continues,and if you have stomach acid coming up in your throat,it would be in > your best interests to have it checked out. Instead,I read a few posts that > went into scary detail about relatives and dire things that went wrong. As I > said before,I have a very vivid imagination. > Now I do apologize to Jette for urging her to at least carry an inhaler. I was > quite alarmed when she described the (can’t remember how she said it) bronchial > reaction because to me that *is* a symptom of asthma,regardless of what a > doctor might say. It’s a simple matter over here to at least get an OTC > inhaler. I don’t see anything scary about it at all. BUT…if you > believe,Jette,that you don’t have asthma or can control it,that’s up to you. > Sharon…………Cats, Coffee, Chocolate…vices to live by
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >From: "Eva" EvaDStru…@NOatt.net > >Date: 4/19/03 2:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time > >I hadn’t been following the original thread, since GERD doesn’t affect me > >(knock wood). > >Reading this now, I can’t help but remember the time we were talking about > >my cat getting a stuck turd! You warned me that it could be the first > >symptom of kidney failure, based on your personal experience with your cat. > >I protested that it was a one-time thing. You urged me to check with the > >vet. I said I would, but that I didn’t think there was any urgency since it > >was a one-time thing. I said I’d ask the vet at Rosie’s next checkup, which > >at that point was a month or two away. > >So this must have happened last summer or late spring, and it hasn’t > >happened again. I disagreed with you that it was cause for immediate > >concern, but I’m still glad you posted the warning, because if it *had* > >continued I don’t think I would otherwise have taken it seriously enough. > >Is there a valid analogy here? Or should I have stayed out of this > >altogether?! > >Eva
If you’re talking about me, nope I did nothing of the kind. I would never. I shared that my dog has gone thru that many times. We were all laughing about going thru this, and my ex DH puking behind the tree as it kept coming out more and more. But these were *hairs* mixed with poop, which will come out on it’s own too, and even pulling that out is no problem. I never said to immediately take it in, but was told by my vet, for hairs and poop coming out at all, it’s totally normal, all of my dogs have gone thru it, the post of mine was about how Rudy, my golden is embarrassed when he does it. <G> Don’t recall any warnings tho, as I don’t usually when I mention this, that if it is a very very long string or the like, to not pull too much out, as the string can be wrapped around in its intestinal tract. Cut it off at the rectum and *check* or rather to be literal about it, *CALL* him, of you think he needs to be seen. with your vet, if you have no idea how long the string is. Of course if you know he got a hold of a foot long bit, it would be fine to get it out, I’m talking looooong pieces But I figured that would be common sense. Not at all what I posted to Sharon. In the same vein as sharing anything that can hurt someone, I’ll still do that, tho not as strongly. MaryBeth Please do not paint me with the same broad brush as what I posted about GERD, Sharon has explained why she got so upset, and I have explained that I didn’t mean to scare her, but did want to warn not only her but anyone reading that there *CAN* not *will be*, can be problems with it. Not to run to the docs, but to have it checked out. To me that’s a mere phone call or a quick office visit. I am not some whacko, like the Little Red Hen, that warns ppl of anything, but did want the word out that GERD has the ability to get worse if not treated.. Since then Sharon has made it clearer than her first post about getting food stuck in her throat, it was then known to be once in a good while, not weekly nor, thank God daily. If you feel me doing so then filter me. :/
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"Frankenmel" <franken…@aol.comnospam> wrote > Now I do apologize to Jette for urging her to at least carry an inhaler. I was > quite alarmed when she described the (can’t remember how she said it) bronchial > reaction because to me that *is* a symptom of asthma,regardless of what a > doctor might say. It’s a simple matter over here to at least get an OTC > inhaler. I don’t see anything scary about it at all. BUT…if you > believe,Jette,that you don’t have asthma or can control it,that’s up to
you. Whereas here there is no such thing as an "over the counter inhaler". They’re all prescription drugs. — Jette "Work for Peace and remain Fiercely Loving" – Jim Byrnes je…@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jette Goldie wrote: > "Frankenmel" <franken…@aol.comnospam> wrote >>Now I do apologize to Jette for urging her to at least carry an inhaler. I > was >>quite alarmed when she described the (can’t remember how she said it) > bronchial >>reaction because to me that *is* a symptom of asthma,regardless of what a >>doctor might say. It’s a simple matter over here to at least get an OTC >>inhaler. I don’t see anything scary about it at all. BUT…if you >>believe,Jette,that you don’t have asthma or can control it,that’s up to > you. > Whereas here there is no such thing as an "over the counter > inhaler". They’re all prescription drugs.
I thought that the OTC inhalers were being taken off the market, here in the USA. If not, they should be, to many people abuse them. Anyhow, IMO if you need an inhaler you should be seeing a doctor. sue
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In article <Azyoa.70007$ja4.4654…@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "Eva" <EvaDStru…@NOatt.net> wrote: > "Kevin and Sue Mullen" <kjmul…@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:3EA2AC6E.8000500@comcast.net… > > I thought that the OTC inhalers were being taken off the market, here in > > the USA. If not, they should be, to many people abuse them. > ————- > Abuse them? You mean, to get high?
*Can* you get high off inhaler meds? I mean those for asthma. Priscilla — "I don’t feel comfortable with a boot with my name on it on the throat of the rest of the world." – Alan Winston in rec.arts.sf.fandom
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Eva wrote: > "Kevin and Sue Mullen" <kjmul…@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:3EA2AC6E.8000500@comcast.net… >>I thought that the OTC inhalers were being taken off the market, here in >>the USA. If not, they should be, to many people abuse them. > ————- > Abuse them? You mean, to get high? > Eva (worried about teenager)
I didn’t even think about that, don’t know if you could get high or not. I was thinking more of a person with breathing problems, using an OTC inhaler and not seeing their doctor. Also of a person using an OTC inhaler more often then it should be used, causing many side effects. Of course this could be done with a prescription inhaler also. sue
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FurPaw <furpawnews…@comcast.net> wrote in news:3EA06A3D.1060507@comcast.net: > I’m feeling badly that your posts on GERD hit a sour note. > I have it mildly, with no damage (endoscopy with biopsy for > H. pylori, negative) and good response since I started > taking prilosec. I don’t know if *everything* you said was > accurate, but from what I’ve read, much of it was. I did > recognize your desire to be helpful. > It sounds like you are going through a lot right now. > And I’m really sorry about your dog. I don’t remember – > which one is it that is so ill?
You know, Furry, you’re a nice person. Much nicer than I am. Just thought you’d like to know. Chakolate
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>From: Chakolate chakolateDeathToSpammers@hot >You know, Furry, you’re a nice person. Much nicer than I am. Just thought >you’d like to know. >Chakolate
What a nice thing to say. And I agree. Even tho Ms Paw and I don’t always agree, she even gets pissed off at me once in a while, I think she is very cool. <G> AneeBear "We have them surrounded in their tanks" Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, Iraqi Minister of Information (currently on administrative leave).
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>Eva" wrote: >Reading this now, I can’t help but remember the time we were talking about >my cat getting a stuck turd!
Geez, Im sorry I missed that one. LOL
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"Thelittlewench" <thelittlewe…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030419194318.18955.00000304@mb-m02.aol.com… > >Eva" wrote:
Sorry Eva, middle of the night and having so many post to me about being too leery, I hadn’t read the part about Sharon’s cat, I, with my very large ego, (YEAH, riiiight), thought it was another post to me. So just ignore it MaryBeth
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"Frankenmel" <franken…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20030419004949.18889.00000285@mb-m03.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >From: "gs" gs2152nos…@charter.net > >Date: 4/18/03 9:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time > >I didn’t take MB’s posts as anything other than concern and giving out > >information. > >I could have taken them the way I did due to my Mom having experienced not > >being able to swallow and letting it go for awhile. > >I seem to remember several posts about asthma and making sure someone knew > >how serious asthma was. > >Gwen > But Gwen,the difficulties I’d (made the mistake of posting)mentioned were such > an intermittent thing. I posted the morning after DH had trouble swallowing dry > cereal. I haven’t had difficulty swallowing for over a year. So do you honestly > see these as something to have an endoscopy for? If we’d had troubles on a > regular basis instead of DH a couple of times eating cereal and me a year and a > half or more ago,then I could see that.
In the beginning, you said it happens every now and then. Especially when eating an apple or bagel. DH has trouble eating cereal some mornings. (or something like that) I haven’t had a problem swallowing or gerd (except caused by medicine), so I found the MB’s posts to be informative. My Mom had a problem with swallowing and I could have used the information at that time. My Mom’s doctor said she should have come in sooner, (wasn’t cancer). I wasn’t personally involved in the topic of swallowing or gerd…so my take was different. > Yes,I did express concern about asthma. I don’t really see that someone whose > air passageways close as being equivalent to a couple people who have trouble > swallowing VERY occasionally.
But, the other poster, who said it only happened under certain conditions may have felt the same way. All the replies were how about how serious it was (or could be). Same type of thing. Those who are personally involved react differently. (Personally involved can be any number of things) It can work both ways. That’s all I was saying. I wasn’t saying anyone was right or wrong. Gwen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sharon…………Cats, Coffee, Chocolate…vices to live by
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"gs" <gs2152nos…@charter.net> wrote > I seem to remember several posts about asthma and making sure someone knew > how serious asthma was.
Yes, so do I. — Jette "Work for Peace and remain Fiercely Loving" – Jim Byrnes je…@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -gs wrote: > "Frankenmel" <franken…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message > news:20030419004949.18889.00000285@mb-m03.aol.com… >>>From: "gs" gs2152nos…@charter.net >>>Date: 4/18/03 9:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time >>>I didn’t take MB’s posts as anything other than concern and giving out >>>information. >>>I could have taken them the way I did due to my Mom having experienced > not >>>being able to swallow and letting it go for awhile. >>>I seem to remember several posts about asthma and making sure someone > knew >>>how serious asthma was. >>>Gwen >>But Gwen,the difficulties I’d (made the mistake of posting)mentioned were > such >>an intermittent thing. I posted the morning after DH had trouble > swallowing dry >>cereal. I haven’t had difficulty swallowing for over a year. So do you > honestly >>see these as something to have an endoscopy for? If we’d had troubles on a >>regular basis instead of DH a couple of times eating cereal and me a year > and a >>half or more ago,then I could see that. > In the beginning, you said it happens every now and then. Especially when > eating an apple or bagel. DH has trouble eating cereal some mornings. (or > something like that) > I haven’t had a problem swallowing or gerd (except caused by medicine), so > I found the MB’s posts to be informative. My Mom had a problem with > swallowing and I could have used the information at that time. My Mom’s > doctor said she should have come in sooner, (wasn’t cancer). > I wasn’t personally involved in the topic of swallowing or gerd…so my > take was different. >>Yes,I did express concern about asthma. I don’t really see that someone > whose >>air passageways close as being equivalent to a couple people who have > trouble >>swallowing VERY occasionally. > But, the other poster, who said it only happened under certain conditions > may have felt the same way. All the replies were how about how serious it > was (or could be). > Same type of thing. > Those who are personally involved react differently. (Personally involved > can be any number of things) It can work both ways.
I think that one of the big differences between the gerd/reflus discussion and the asthma discussion, is that MB was speaking as a person with a medical backround. She mentioned her backround and would not further clarify it, which is her right. On the asthmas thread no person claimed to have a medical backround, we only spoke of our experiences and our personal feelings about asthma treatment. sue
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"gs" <gs2152nos…@charter.net> wrote in message
news:va1jgl3iir4f45@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Kevin and Sue Mullen" <kjmul…@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:3EA0A2F1.1010703@comcast.net… > > Frankenmel wrote: > > >>From: FurPaw furpawnews…@comcast.net > > >>Date: 4/18/03 4:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time > > >>I wasn’t thinking just of you, here, Sharon, and of course I > > >>(nor anyone else?) didn’t recognize that button. Everyone > > >>has their buttons – mine get pushed now and then too. I > > >>guess I should have realized that something of yours had > > >>been pushed, since your response was pretty uncharacteristic > > >>of you. It just seemed like several people were jumping on > > >>MB for what was, in her view, an attempt to share her > > >>knowledge and raise a flag about a potentially dangerous > > >>condition. Even if it doesn’t really apply in your case. > > >>Most everyone’s a bit edgy, it seems. Me too. Time to take > > >>a deep breath… > > >>FurPaw > > > I probably interpreted her postings incorrectly. I just got the feeling > that MB > > > was shaking her head,thinking I was a fool for not rushing to the doctor > for an > > > endoscopy. > > Sharon, I felt the say way. I felt that MB was telling me that she was > > right and my doctor is wrong and there was no inbetween. > I didn’t take MB’s posts as anything other than concern and giving out > information. > I could have taken them the way I did due to my Mom having experienced not > being able to swallow and letting it go for awhile.
Thanks Gwen, I hope it has all died down by now, and I really did mean to share my own experience with EVERYONE , like maybe some lurkers or seldom posters, that this can, operative word there, CAN lead to more serious problems. And the pain that I have gone thru, and especially losing my fave uncle for the same thing, it scares me, and I like to at least make sure ppl take it as serious. I told ppl that if they are having these problem to ‘ask’ their doc, not go in there and demand to do it, but it can’t hurt to ask. And then only IF it is an increasing problem. I would NEVER presume to tell anyone what they have nor what to do, other than direct them to their own docs, just as in the dog groups, I direct sickness and problems to their own vets. No one can diagnose anything on here, they can share, and pray that no one else has to go thru it. I really admire Susan and Sharon, and it just hurt when they thought I was pushing. I’m allbeddarnow, as my nephew used to say. <G> Being fairly crippled from something that could have been fixed years before, when I first complained to my new doctor, (after I fired Dr. Feelgood that ODed me on the Pred.), he kept telling me my knee pain was from my age, at 32!!! My ortho that I saw in SF, said that if this had been caught a couple of years before all of the veins/arteries/etc. had been totally cut off inside my bones I would be up again. I walk, but not for long periods, my walker is my pal. He told me, and ya’ll know how much docs usually NEVER put or talk badly about other docs, but he told me that I had a very good court case, from the doc that ODed the Pred. and the one who told me for two years it was nothing. My part? I should have gone right away for a second opinion, but didn’t. I trusted my doctors. :/ He even offered to go to court for me/or rather along with me. Heck, he had his secretary fill out all the info for SSDI, and I merely signed them in the office. And whatever he told them, they put me on disability for life, never have been checked up on since ‘91. So tho it was great to get it thru so fast, it scared me that it was something that bad. You know? Weird what life gives us.! Funny thing was, after I had the surgeries, and knew the DX, as AVN, every pro I went to, from my PCP, to my OB/GYN, to my Dentist, and yes, even my vet…..all of them immediately asked if it was steroids! They had absolutely no warnings on that back then, and I didn’t have the puter then either. But no insert and many pages I have found on the net NEVER mention bone loss from taking steroids, until maybe the past few years. They never mentioned AVN, at all. Scary!?!?! And being crippled by someone who misdiagnosed me, my EX stopped me from sueing him, as he was getting his drugs form him, unknown to me, and KNOWING for a fact that I didn’t need to be this way, I can’t sit still. Even if I did come across as too harsh, and I understand now why many had a problem, and have apologized. My feeling is that if it helps one person once, I made a difference. I sincerely wasn’t pointing out certain ppl, was meant as a general warning, tho I did specifically answer sue and Sharon about it, it wasn’t meant for them alone. I’m glad it’s gotten better, and for the e-mails I’ve received, thanks so much for the support. And what the hell did I say when I first came back????<DUH> I tend to take most ppl here gently if possible, as I know we’re all in a different place with our hormones all over. Being gentle now, can’t promise tomorrow. <WEG> MaryBeth
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->From: FurPaw furpawnews…@comcast.net >Date: 4/18/03 4:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time >I wasn’t thinking just of you, here, Sharon, and of course I >(nor anyone else?) didn’t recognize that button. Everyone >has their buttons – mine get pushed now and then too. I >guess I should have realized that something of yours had >been pushed, since your response was pretty uncharacteristic >of you. It just seemed like several people were jumping on >MB for what was, in her view, an attempt to share her >knowledge and raise a flag about a potentially dangerous >condition. Even if it doesn’t really apply in your case. >Most everyone’s a bit edgy, it seems. Me too. Time to take >a deep breath… >FurPaw
I probably interpreted her postings incorrectly. I just got the feeling that MB was shaking her head,thinking I was a fool for not rushing to the doctor for an endoscopy. Sharon…………Cats, Coffee, Chocolate…vices to live by
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"FurPaw" <furpawnews…@comcast.net> wrote in message > > I’m sorry if I hurt MB. It was not my intention. I "got it" the first time,and > > I just didn’t want to have it beat into my head. It’s one of my hot
buttons. I’m sorry Sharon, it sincerely was not my intention to hurt your feelings nor push a button. I know, I have my buttons, sexual abuse and rape being about the main ones these last 30 years or so. (Comes and goes with therapy) And my brother in law, banning me from my Godson, Frank, nephew, and his son with my sister, my other nephew Matt. He’s my heart’s love along with Frank, and I am not allowed to talk to them. I found out why tonight, two reasons. He told my mother that I am on serious meds and can’t be *trusted*. That’s button for me, big time. The other reason he tried to take some new wills and his atty to my parent’s house to change their existing ones. Telling them that I will merely use it for drug money!!! I would give the world to never take another pill, I would give the world to be able to walk, and the main thing is, he’s in AA, and NA, and thinks it all pertains to me. I blew up, and I’m sorry. MaryBeth > I wasn’t thinking just of you, here, Sharon, and of course I > (nor anyone else?) didn’t recognize that button. Everyone > has their buttons – mine get pushed now and then too. I > guess I should have realized that something of yours had > been pushed, since your response was pretty uncharacteristic > of you.
I really didn’t expect it of you either Sharon, I understand now, but wow I came in and thought it was a great place with all the newer and some older ppl still here. You just seemed so mellow, but as you’ve seen above I blew for other reasons too. It just seemed like several people were jumping on > MB for what was, in her view, an attempt to share her > knowledge and raise a flag about a potentially dangerous > condition. Even if it doesn’t really apply in your case.
Thanks, you seem to be able tonight to express my thoughts better than I can. For that I am in your debt. ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Most everyone’s a bit edgy, it seems. Me too. Time to take > a deep breath… > FurPaw > — > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little > temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety – B. > Franklin > To reply, unleash the dog.
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> I probably interpreted her postings incorrectly. I just got the feeling that MB > was shaking her head,thinking I was a fool for not rushing to the doctor for an > endoscopy.
No! Not at all. I just meant if it got worse, as I mentioned mine did. If it was everyday, I suggested not only you, but anyone that had this happen to get it checked out. I didn’t realize it would be a problem with the HMO or push your buttons. I was talking to every one, too. I guess ppl forgot when I mentioned to one of anee’s posts that I can only share what *I* have been thru, no one else. I wouldn’t expect anyone to give me the power to harm them in any way. Sorry again, MB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sharon…………Cats, Coffee, Chocolate…vices to live by
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>From: "MaryBeth" marbe…@NOSPAMcomcast.net >Date: 4/18/03 5:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Not at all. I just meant if it got worse, as I mentioned mine did. If it >was everyday, I suggested not only you, but anyone that had this happen to >get it checked out. I didn’t realize it would be a problem with the HMO or >push your buttons. I was talking to every one, too. >I guess ppl forgot when I mentioned to one of anee’s posts that I can only >share what *I* have been thru, no one else. I wouldn’t expect anyone to give >me the power to harm them in any way. >Sorry again,
Understood. I just get freaked out easily about health things. Certainly,if I felt I had severe problems,I would have them checked out. It’s not just your posts,I have a history of overreacting to health/fear things. My mind starts going places it’s better not to go. For instance,a friend of mine’s husband is going through something scary right now,and I find myself over-empathizing with what could be wrong. I think it ties in with my panic disorder,and I have to be very careful not to "go there". This post of mine sounds very confusing. Suffice it to say that things trigger panic things for me,and this discussion started to trigger one of mine. I own my feelings about it. You just got in the middle,MB. Sharon…………Cats, Coffee, Chocolate…vices to live by
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> Understood. I just get freaked out easily about health things.
Me too, I get a headache, it’s a brain tumor. My doc and others in my field, all remain true to the adage that most of those in the health profession are like that. I can NOT read the adverse reactions on the med info, or I’ll get every one. <G> Certainly,if I > felt I had severe problems,I would have them checked out. It’s not just your > posts,I have a history of overreacting to health/fear things. My mind starts > going places it’s better not to go. For instance,a friend of mine’s husband is > going through something scary right now,and I find myself over-empathizing with > what could be wrong. I think it ties in with my panic disorder,
More alike than I thought, which is what I imagined before all of this. I’ve had panic disorder for about 5 years now, I’m sure it ties in with my health problems, too. and I have to be > very careful not to "go there". This post of mine sounds very confusing.
No, it doesn’t, not to me. It makes perfect sense. Really, Sharon. > Suffice it to say that things trigger panic things for me,and this discussion > started to trigger one of mine. I own my feelings about it. You just got in the > middle,MB.
Me too, Sharon, glad we ‘figgered’ it out. (oops spelchk anee will be along any time now. <G>) More like ironed it out. Thanks, MB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sharon…………Cats, Coffee, Chocolate…vices to live by
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>From: "MaryBeth" marbe…@NOSPAMcomcast.net >Date: 4/18/03 5:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time >I’ve had panic disorder for about 5 years now, I’m sure it ties in with my >health problems, too.
I’ve had them since I was about 16. I know precisely how they started. Sharon…………Cats, Coffee, Chocolate…vices to live by
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"Frankenmel" <franken…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20030418210219.02146.00000112@mb-m01.aol.com… > >From: "MaryBeth" marbe…@NOSPAMcomcast.net > >Date: 4/18/03 5:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time > >I’ve had panic disorder for about 5 years now, I’m sure it ties in with my > >health problems, too. > I’ve had them since I was about 16. I know precisely how they started.
Oh yikes I won’t ask, I may be way off, but it sounds like me, even tho I didn’t take meds back then, I was in need of them. I certainly hope it wasn’t the same reason for you. In e-mail, can I share it. Don’t have a need right now to go into it, but don’t need the trolls from another group to pick it up. MB whenever you feel safe enough let me know. ((((((((Sharon)))))))))
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Frankenmel wrote: >>From: FurPaw furpawnews…@comcast.net >>Date: 4/18/03 4:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time >>I wasn’t thinking just of you, here, Sharon, and of course I >>(nor anyone else?) didn’t recognize that button. Everyone >>has their buttons – mine get pushed now and then too. I >>guess I should have realized that something of yours had >>been pushed, since your response was pretty uncharacteristic >>of you. It just seemed like several people were jumping on >>MB for what was, in her view, an attempt to share her >>knowledge and raise a flag about a potentially dangerous >>condition. Even if it doesn’t really apply in your case. >>Most everyone’s a bit edgy, it seems. Me too. Time to take >>a deep breath… >>FurPaw > I probably interpreted her postings incorrectly. I just got the feeling that MB > was shaking her head,thinking I was a fool for not rushing to the doctor for an > endoscopy.
Sharon, I felt the say way. I felt that MB was telling me that she was right and my doctor is wrong and there was no inbetween. sue
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->From: "MaryBeth" marbe…@NOSPAMcomcast.net >Date: 4/18/03 6:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time >"Frankenmel" <franken…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message >news:20030418210219.02146.00000112@mb-m01.aol.com… >> >From: "MaryBeth" marbe…@NOSPAMcomcast.net >> >Date: 4/18/03 5:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time >> >I’ve had panic disorder for about 5 years now, I’m sure it ties in with >my >> >health problems, too. >> I’ve had them since I was about 16. I know precisely how they started. >Oh yikes I won’t ask, I may be way off, but it sounds like me, even tho I >didn’t take meds back then, I was in need of them. I certainly hope it >wasn’t the same reason for you.
Heck,it’s no biggie..I’ll share. It all started when I was in choir. We had to wear long robes over our clothes,high heels and stand on risers. I developed a fear of passing out and falling in front of an audience,as it was very hot. There was no option to the robes. I wore light clothes underneath but was still hot. Plus we had to stand very still and concentrate. Bright lights on us. It got so bad that I dropped out of honor choir in college. One time we had to be on tv with long-sleeved WOOL dresses under the bright tv lights. It just got worse and worse. So now,the panic slides over into various situations,having nothing to do with being too warm (although being too warm exacerbates it). I don’t drive,relating to panic. I can barely ride in the vehicle,especially on freeways. I got the syndrome really bad in grad school and dropped out. I know I could take meds for it,but I just prefer,right now,to avoid situations that trigger it. Oh,and the thing earlier about health worries? I nearly passed out one time when I accompanied DH to the doctor and he was instructed to have xrays on his spine (mind went crazy with imaginings). Sheesh,huh? Sharon…………Cats, Coffee, Chocolate…vices to live by
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In article <b9a1aed02c51907f0d4297adb43d0…@news.teranews.com>, "MaryBeth" <marbe…@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote: > He told my mother that I am on serious meds and can’t be *trusted*. That’s > button for me, big time. > The other reason he tried to take some new wills and his atty to my parent’s > house to change their existing ones. Telling them that I will merely use it > for drug money!!! > I would give the world to never take another pill, I would give the world to > be able to walk, and the main thing is, he’s in AA, and NA, and thinks it > all pertains to me.
Sounds like a serious projection problem. If he were to ask me (ha!) I would suggest Al-Anon and to focus on his own inventory. Priscilla, 18 years of recovery — "I don’t feel comfortable with a boot with my name on it on the throat of the rest of the world." – Alan Winston in rec.arts.sf.fandom
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"Kevin and Sue Mullen" <kjmul…@comcast.net> wrote in message news:3EA0A2F1.1010703@comcast.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Frankenmel wrote: > >>From: FurPaw furpawnews…@comcast.net > >>Date: 4/18/03 4:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time > >>I wasn’t thinking just of you, here, Sharon, and of course I > >>(nor anyone else?) didn’t recognize that button. Everyone > >>has their buttons – mine get pushed now and then too. I > >>guess I should have realized that something of yours had > >>been pushed, since your response was pretty uncharacteristic > >>of you. It just seemed like several people were jumping on > >>MB for what was, in her view, an attempt to share her > >>knowledge and raise a flag about a potentially dangerous > >>condition. Even if it doesn’t really apply in your case. > >>Most everyone’s a bit edgy, it seems. Me too. Time to take > >>a deep breath… > >>FurPaw > > I probably interpreted her postings incorrectly. I just got the feeling that MB > > was shaking her head,thinking I was a fool for not rushing to the doctor for an > > endoscopy. > Sharon, I felt the say way. I felt that MB was telling me that she was > right and my doctor is wrong and there was no inbetween.
I didn’t take MB’s posts as anything other than concern and giving out information. I could have taken them the way I did due to my Mom having experienced not being able to swallow and letting it go for awhile. I seem to remember several posts about asthma and making sure someone knew how serious asthma was. Gwen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> sue
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>From: "gs" gs2152nos…@charter.net >Date: 4/18/03 9:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time >I didn’t take MB’s posts as anything other than concern and giving out >information. >I could have taken them the way I did due to my Mom having experienced not >being able to swallow and letting it go for awhile. >I seem to remember several posts about asthma and making sure someone knew >how serious asthma was. >Gwen
But Gwen,the difficulties I’d (made the mistake of posting)mentioned were such an intermittent thing. I posted the morning after DH had trouble swallowing dry cereal. I haven’t had difficulty swallowing for over a year. So do you honestly see these as something to have an endoscopy for? If we’d had troubles on a regular basis instead of DH a couple of times eating cereal and me a year and a half or more ago,then I could see that. Yes,I did express concern about asthma. I don’t really see that someone whose air passageways close as being equivalent to a couple people who have trouble swallowing VERY occasionally. Sharon…………Cats, Coffee, Chocolate…vices to live by
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Apologies for putting out info on GERD. I wasn’t, (even if it looked like it) pointing out to anyone specific that it is a very serious problem. I was also, IN NO WAY, trying to argue nor put anyone else down. I refuse to reveal what I did for a living, (I am disabled now anyway), as it has caused problems in the past, it is no one’s business, and I only eluded to it to give credence. I would have most likely believed anyone else if they had said same. Perhaps I’m either more trusting or naive, than I thought, which I am glad to see. Ya’ll don’t know me as well as I thought, so I’ll let you be. And it won’t ever be brought up here again, in any case. I was merely trying to use my education and share it. That’s ALL. Sorry if ya’ll didn’t understand that, but it’s not on me, I tried to share a gift, sincerely from me to you. I just tried to pull up as much info to save you from having to go thru it all on the sites. <shrug> I’ve cancelled my posts on all of it, and the rest, tho most before today will probably be googled by now the latest ones are gone. I would sincerely appreciate it if no one reprints them. Thanks, MaryBeth <not in the right place anyway, been trying to focus on my problems, the peri meno, and all that encompasses, to take my mind off of other things. I am going to have to put one of my dog’s down, she rallied a few weeks ago, so we kept her. My mom is about to go from Non Hodgkin’s disease, (cancer), and my father has had his fifth stroke leaving him barely able to get around. They are making up the wills, again, even tho my Dad wanted everything split even, my sis is contesting it with them, to give her the house, (paid for….because *I* have ‘owned two houses….yeah with large mortgages), not like theirs, and her husband is pissed at me, BANNED me from calling anyone there, for God knows what, [he didn't get much when his parents died], and wants all of it for my sis and him, and no one in my family will take my calls. All my other relatives are trying to talk to my parents, my mom’s sisters are all wondering what’s up, and not getting thru to anyone. They know I did nothing wrong, and all it is is that they want all of it. I’ve always heard it sucks settling estates, but thought we’d be different. I lurked when I came back here for laughter, found lots of common ground, and felt better , so thanks for that. And to see that I wasn’t all making this meno shit up. I guess I’m in the wrong group, thought it would distract me, instead all it did was piss ppl off.>
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -MaryBeth wrote: > MaryBeth > <not in the right place anyway, been trying to focus on my problems, the > peri meno, and all that encompasses, to take my mind off of other things. I > am going to have to put one of my dog’s down, she rallied a few weeks ago, > so we kept her. My mom is about to go from Non Hodgkin’s disease, (cancer), > and my father has had his fifth stroke leaving him barely able to get > around. They are making up the wills, again, even tho my Dad wanted > everything split even, my sis is contesting it with them, to give her the > house, (paid for….because *I* have ‘owned two houses….yeah with large > mortgages), not like theirs, and her husband is pissed at me, BANNED me from > calling anyone there, for God knows what, [he didn't get much when his > parents died], and wants all of it for my sis and him, and no one in my > family will take my calls. All my other relatives are trying to talk to my > parents, my mom’s sisters are all wondering what’s up, and not getting thru > to anyone. They know I did nothing wrong, and all it is is that they want > all of it. I’ve always heard it sucks settling estates, but thought we’d be > different. I lurked when I came back here for laughter, found lots of common > ground, and felt better , so thanks for that. And to see that I wasn’t all > making this meno shit up. I guess I’m in the wrong group, thought it would > distract me, instead all it did was piss ppl off.>
I’m feeling badly that your posts on GERD hit a sour note. I have it mildly, with no damage (endoscopy with biopsy for H. pylori, negative) and good response since I started taking prilosec. I don’t know if *everything* you said was accurate, but from what I’ve read, much of it was. I did recognize your desire to be helpful. It sounds like you are going through a lot right now. I don’t know what to say about your family. It’s so sad when the (impending) death of one’s parents brings out the worst in their children. Hubster’s family is going through that now; they regarded themselves as a close-knit family, but that myth has been exploded several times over. So, seeing what he’s going through I can really sympathize (and remain grateful that I’m an only child). And I’m really sorry about your dog. I don’t remember – which one is it that is so ill? So here’s a funny, in a wry sort if way – can’t recall if it’s been posted here before: 1. Only in America…… can a pizza get to your house faster than an ambulance. 2. Only in America…… are there handicap parking places in front of a skating rink. 3. Only in America…… do drugstores make the sick walk all the way to the back of the store to get their prescriptions while healthy people can buy cigarettes at the front. 4. Only in America…… do people order double cheese burgers, large fries, and a diet Coke. 5. Only in America…… do banks leave both doors to the vault open and then chain the pens to the counters. 6. Only in America…… do we leave cars worth thousands of dollars in the driveway and put our useless junk in the garage. 7. Only in America…… do we use answering machines to screen calls and then have call waiting so we won’t miss a call from someone we didn’t want to talk to in the first place. 8. Only in America…… do we buy hot dogs in packages of ten and buns in packages of eight. 9. Only in America…… do we use the word ‘politics’ to describe the process so well: Poli’ in Latin meaning ‘many’ and ‘tics’ meaning ‘bloodsucking creatures’. 10. Only in America…… do they have drive-up ATM machines with Braille lettering. FurPaw — They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety – B. Franklin To reply, unleash the dog.
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"FurPaw" <furpawnews…@comcast.net> wrote > So here’s a funny, in a wry sort if way – can’t recall if > it’s been posted here before:
<snip> > 2. Only in America…… are there handicap parking places > in front of a skating rink. <snip> > 4. Only in America…… do people order double cheese > burgers, large fries, and a diet Coke. <snip> > 6. Only in America…… do we leave cars worth thousands of > dollars in the driveway and put our useless junk in the garage. > 7. Only in America…… do we use answering machines to > screen calls and then have call waiting so we won’t miss a > call from someone we didn’t want to talk to in the first place.
Nah, they do those in the UK too <g> — Jette "Work for Peace and remain Fiercely Loving" – Jim Byrnes je…@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->From: FurPaw furpawnews…@comcast.net >Date: 4/18/03 2:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time >net> >MaryBeth wrote: >> MaryBeth >> <not in the right place anyway, been trying to focus on my problems, the >> peri meno, and all that encompasses, to take my mind off of other things. I >> am going to have to put one of my dog’s down, she rallied a few weeks ago, >> so we kept her. My mom is about to go from Non Hodgkin’s disease, (cancer), >> and my father has had his fifth stroke leaving him barely able to get >> around. They are making up the wills, again, even tho my Dad wanted >> everything split even, my sis is contesting it with them, to give her the >> house, (paid for….because *I* have ‘owned two houses….yeah with large >> mortgages), not like theirs, and her husband is pissed at me, BANNED me >from >> calling anyone there, for God knows what, [he didn't get much when his >> parents died], and wants all of it for my sis and him, and no one in my >> family will take my calls. All my other relatives are trying to talk to my >> parents, my mom’s sisters are all wondering what’s up, and not getting thru >> to anyone. They know I did nothing wrong, and all it is is that they want >> all of it. I’ve always heard it sucks settling estates, but thought we’d be >> different. I lurked when I came back here for laughter, found lots of >common >> ground, and felt better , so thanks for that. And to see that I wasn’t all >> making this meno shit up. I guess I’m in the wrong group, thought it would >> distract me, instead all it did was piss ppl off.> >I’m feeling badly that your posts on GERD hit a sour note.
My mother used to control me,and I’ve had a lifelong problem with people who do more than just suggest something. I don’t have to be hit over the head to "get it". I feel bad that I felt it necessary to ask that MB stop,but it was freaking me out,and I felt as though I was perceptive enough to make my own decision. There are lots of people who have problems that I feel I could help them with. I have a friend who is very overweight and could benefit from both exercise and a dietary change. If she *asked* me about suggestions,I would give them to her. I am worried about her becoming diabetic or developing heart problems,but I respect her enough to let her live her own life. I’m sorry if I hurt MB. It was not my intention. I "got it" the first time,and I just didn’t want to have it beat into my head. It’s one of my hot buttons. Sharon…………Cats, Coffee, Chocolate…vices to live by
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Frankenmel wrote: >>From: FurPaw furpawnews…@comcast.net >>Date: 4/18/03 2:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time >>net> >>MaryBeth wrote: >>>MaryBeth >>><not in the right place anyway, been trying to focus on my problems, the >>>peri meno, and all that encompasses, to take my mind off of other things. I >>>am going to have to put one of my dog’s down, she rallied a few weeks ago, >>>so we kept her. My mom is about to go from Non Hodgkin’s disease, (cancer), >>>and my father has had his fifth stroke leaving him barely able to get >>>around. They are making up the wills, again, even tho my Dad wanted >>>everything split even, my sis is contesting it with them, to give her the >>>house, (paid for….because *I* have ‘owned two houses….yeah with large >>>mortgages), not like theirs, and her husband is pissed at me, BANNED me >>from >>>calling anyone there, for God knows what, [he didn't get much when his >>>parents died], and wants all of it for my sis and him, and no one in my >>>family will take my calls. All my other relatives are trying to talk to my >>>parents, my mom’s sisters are all wondering what’s up, and not getting thru >>>to anyone. They know I did nothing wrong, and all it is is that they want >>>all of it. I’ve always heard it sucks settling estates, but thought we’d be >>>different. I lurked when I came back here for laughter, found lots of >>common >>>ground, and felt better , so thanks for that. And to see that I wasn’t all >>>making this meno shit up. I guess I’m in the wrong group, thought it would >>>distract me, instead all it did was piss ppl off.> >>I’m feeling badly that your posts on GERD hit a sour note. > My mother used to control me,and I’ve had a lifelong problem with people who do > more than just suggest something. I don’t have to be hit over the head to "get > it". I feel bad that I felt it necessary to ask that MB stop,but it was > freaking me out,and I felt as though I was perceptive enough to make my own > decision. > There are lots of people who have problems that I feel I could help them with. > I have a friend who is very overweight and could benefit from both exercise and > a dietary change. If she *asked* me about suggestions,I would give them to her. > I am worried about her becoming diabetic or developing heart problems,but I > respect her enough to let her live her own life. > I’m sorry if I hurt MB. It was not my intention. I "got it" the first time,and > I just didn’t want to have it beat into my head. It’s one of my hot buttons.
I wasn’t thinking just of you, here, Sharon, and of course I (nor anyone else?) didn’t recognize that button. Everyone has their buttons – mine get pushed now and then too. I guess I should have realized that something of yours had been pushed, since your response was pretty uncharacteristic of you. It just seemed like several people were jumping on MB for what was, in her view, an attempt to share her knowledge and raise a flag about a potentially dangerous condition. Even if it doesn’t really apply in your case. Most everyone’s a bit edgy, it seems. Me too. Time to take a deep breath… FurPaw — They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety – B. Franklin To reply, unleash the dog.
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