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I’m getting a bunch of this stuff in my personal email. and half of it says "this is not spam you requested this mailing."  Bull shit. [CRAP DELETED] How many times do we have to point it out to you ? What part of "STOP SPAMMING THIS NEWSGROUP" don’t you understand ? — Chris King                    | Joetov FAQ:

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@hotmail.com writes I’m getting a bunch of this stuff in my personal email. and half of it says "this is not spam you requested this mailing."  Bull shit.

Decca, If Joe is e-mailing you his adverts, and you DID NOT request them, send attention of Jim Lippard. Primenet are monitoring the situation, and have assured me that his accounts will be terminated if found to be in breach of their AUP. Chris — Chris King                    | Joetov FAQ: http://www.kendrick.org/joetov.htm http://www.csking.demon.co.uk | http://www.csking.demon.co.uk/kooks/joetov.htm

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[CRAP DELETED] How many times do we have to point it out to you ? What part of "STOP SPAMMING THIS NEWSGROUP" don’t you understand ? — Chris King                    | Joetov FAQ: http://www.kendrick.org/joetov.htm http://www.csking.demon.co.uk | http://www.csking.demon.co.uk/kooks/joetov.htm

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Mauray, are you trying to be smart or sarcastic? If you participate in this group, why don’t you say something intelligent? Are you going down to the level of KKC? When someone writes tons of pages every day, and he types fast,  there may be grammatical errors. Also, many times the spelling feature changes the words, by mis-selection or too fast selection. If grammar is what bothering you, so don’t even consider to reply. After all, if you are in this group, maybe you want to get something to improve your condition? Is the issue here grammar or asthma? Do you have anything to say about OMEGA OIL? Do you have position about what the three stooges have been doing to this group for a long time? I mean the mean KENDRICK-SHMENDRICK, COOLIN AND KING. So, why would you waste energy to attack grammar, rather then respond to issue? KKC level? Joseph – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You must know that attacking a process via the internet is something that should be condemned. Arguing – yes.   Ok, perhaps in singular cases. other than asthma. He was discover important information about the OMEGA OIL   But is it OK to condemn your grammar? I have reputation and high credibility   Indeed, I’m sure you do! Maury

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Mauray, are you trying to be smart or sarcastic?

    Comments like this are why nobody is listening to your "process" message, Joe. The obnoxious and abusive messenger is drowning out the message.     FAQ update in 24 hours.             D

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If you are not going to a specialist (i.e. an allergist, or a ear,nose and throat doctor) do so.  I would seek a second opinion if you are already seeing one.  Maybe try breathing exercises would help.

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Mauray, are you trying to be smart or sarcastic?

  Both actually. If you participate in this group, why don’t you say something intelligent?

  I have. Are you going down to the level of KKC?

  I have no idea what "KKC" is. Do you have anything to say about OMEGA OIL?

  No.  Should I? Do you have position about what the three stooges have been doing to this group for a long time? I mean the mean KENDRICK-SHMENDRICK, COOLIN AND KING.

  I have no idea who these people are.  Nor do I care really. So, why would you waste energy to attack grammar, rather then respond to

issue?   What issue? Maury

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OMEGA OIL FATTY ACIDS: If anyone is interested in future help, he or she must know that OMEGA OIL FATTY ACIDS is the most important element in research for asthma cure and other diseases.

Only in your mind, Joseph, only in your mind. Perhaps you ought to read the journal articles you quoted on your web page, and see that their findings do not tally with your claims. In the information given by me, including [SPAM SITE DELETED] I try to help you people to understand the nature of OMEGA OIL. The natural grain consists of so much omega oil was in fact used by Dr. J. Koder, who developed the NATURAL FOOD COOKING PROCESS. That helped hundreds of people including my family members.

Your claims are getting grander and grander by the day… Three stooges, KENDRICK, COLIN and KING have been attacking almost every line about this process, yet they never used any intelligent mean to discuss the issue with me, and to check credibility for writing the process in full. It is a fact that my son, who had sever asthma, was recovered from all symptoms within six months.

I can’t speak for David and Colin, but I resent your "stooge" jibe. And you can’t argue your way out of a wet paper bag – TESTIMONIALS DO NOT EQUAL SOLID PROOF. You must know that attacking a process via the internet is something that should be condemned. Arguing – yes. Requesting information – yes. Challenging – yes. derogatory attacks, smear, defamation, etc. – no.

Perhaps you ought to practice what you preach. Or do I have to remind you about YOUR PERSONAL ATTACKS on Paul Boven, Kristy Kunz, Julie Thornton and many others ? You’re incapable of holding your own in a reasoned argument, that has been proven time and again. All you do is cry like a big baby and hurl abuse every time anyone has asked you for SOLID FACTS. The information highlights the research hunt for more information about OMEGA OIL, and it does not matter whether Dr. Vane receive Nobel prize for something other than asthma. He was discover important information about the OMEGA OIL, and that is important. the point: To show to you that there is an international hunt for omega oil.

It DOES matter that Dr Vane didn’t receive his Nobel prize in Omega oil research, because YOU claim (on YOUR website) that he DID, and YOU’RE using that as part of the "Scientific Proof" behind your process. That’s a false claim – I don’t know about American law but over here, that would constitute FRAUD. YOU HAVE BEEN REPEATEDLY ASKED TO CORRECT THIS FACTUAL ERROR, BUT YOU REFUSE TO DO SO. WHAT DOES *THAT* SAY FOR YOUR CREDIBILITY ? At a lecture I gave to arizona nurses, an experienced physician interrupted my speech (fortunately), and confirmed the information I gave about the OMEGA OIL.

Right, let’s have some details: Time, date, attendees. Or are you making that up as well ? (Are there any nurses in AZ who can *truthfully* back up this claim ?) Now, you have to think; IF I, OR MY CHILD SUFFER   from asthma: Shall I tried natural food that costs this joseph ENTIRELY only $30 (SAME AS ONE INHALER, OR TWO AFTER INSURANCE DEDUCTION) or shall I wait a few more years?

That’s it, play the guilt card. Tell the mothers on this group that they don’t care about their children because they refuse to buy your book, just like you did to Kristy Kunz. All I bring to your information is the real story and the success of the OMEGA OIL and Dr. Koder’s process.

You’ve repeatedly spammed and abused the group, with the result that you have been thrown off two ISP’s. Haven’t you realised yet that the two things might actually be related ? Everything else is not important, including the 3 STOOGES KENDRICK, COLIN and KING, and you know them.

Stooge again, eh ? Still, that’s better than being a lying, bullying spammer who thinks he can hide behind his lawyers when he gets shown up for what he really is. Are you going to sue me for saying that then ? What about all the other threats you’ve made against me and have been TOO COWARDLY to carry out ? here is the info: (c) Copyrights 1998 by Joseph Tsiyoni

[Contact details deleted - I'm not doing your advertising for you] HERE IS THE INFORMATION Please note: All information here is protected under copyrights laws. No one is entitled to copy any part of this document by any way.

Putting a copyright disclaimer on a spam does not give you the right to what little good it will do. And are you going to sue all the ISP’s on the planet for copying your "document" as part of their normal operations ? Wakey Wakey !!! THIS DOCUMENT IS POSTED HERE IN RESPONSE TO SLANDER AND DEFAMATION INFORMATION POSTED BY THREE PEOPLE WHO TRY TO CONTROL THE ASTHMA NEWS GROUP: Colin, Kendrick, King. Remember these name, ignore them. Thank you

This is an unmoderated newsgroup. NOBODY controls it. And the more times you cry out about this "Asthma Cabal", the more foolish you make yourself look. [snip for brevity] Various articles by internationally recognized researchers including: Dr. Britton J., University of Nottingham, Respiratory Medicine City Hospital, UK, 1995: "Dietary Fish Oil and Airways Obstruction"

Having e-mailed Dr. Britton about this matter, I got the impression that the conclusions of his article and your claims don’t tally. Multiple authors and Sakai K., Nagoya City University, 1994: "Fatty Acid…asthma Patients".

WHAT WAS THE FULL TITLE OF THIS ARTICLE ? WHERE ARE THE REFERENCES ? HOW ARE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO LOOK UP THE "FACTS" YOU’RE SUPPOSEDLY OFFERING THEM ? Multiple authors and Thine FC, Dept. of Allergy and Allied Respiratory Disorders, London, UK, 1993: "Dietary Fish Oil Effects…asthma in Pollen-sensitive Subjects".

WHAT WAS THE FULL TITLE OF THIS ARTICLE ? WHERE ARE THE REFERENCES ? HOW ARE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO LOOK UP THE "FACTS" YOU’RE SUPPOSEDLY OFFERING THEM ? There are some skeptical people who would say: Well, tell us the name of the grain". That will be a big mistake and bad service.  There will always be people like KENDRICK, COLIN and KING (who try to control the asthma news support group), but we should ignore them because they HAVE NOT ARGUED THE ISSUE, THEY LAUNCH PERSONAL ATTACKS INSTEAD.

Here we go again, abuse time. I’m sure I’m in quite a few kill-files because I keep challenging you, but I’m not going away until you start talking some sense – looks like I could be in a for a very long wait. 10. KENDRICK, COLIN & KING: Friends, if you visit the asthma support group, you realize that Colin posts about 35% of the entire subjects. His "bodies" are KING from England, and KENDRICK DAVID R. FROM GA.

What do you mean by "bodies" ? Try reading your posts before hitting the send button in future… I am not sure if anyone of them suffers from asthma, and if so, which type of asthma. I OFFERED THEM MANY TIMES TO CHALLENGE the process IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER, with intelligent arguments, not personal attacks about language, grammatical errors, etc. For example, Kendrick, the AH from GA, falsely claims that I used several names. He lies and misleads you. In fact, when providers offered free 50 hours, I did take advantage of the offers, and each provider gave me an Email name. At that time I was just learning the internet, and in fact, I am still learning.

You haven’t made any such challenge at any time – all you’ve done is hurl abuse and throw tantrums in the NG. What’s professional about acting like a spoilt brat, Joseph ? Your attempts to cover up your spamming past are out there for all to see. You took advantage of the free 50 hours offers, spammed and abused other users. They gave you e-mail names, but took them away again when you abused them – if you’re so damn innocent, then why did "Joetov" end up listed on no less than TWO separate AOL abuse reports ? Why are you having to post from Primenet rather than Prodigy ? Were you a naughty boy there too ? It is disgusting that a bad man like David R. Kendrock has the audacity to claim that I used different names. It was not before three months ago that I finally found my permanent provider, and I have my own address. Is that wrong?

But you did use different name. Or is it just coincidence that these "other people" out there used your name to sell Dr. Koder’s "process" under the "AsthmaCare" name ? Why is it that you post as "josephaz" but that the headers of your messages state that you are posting from an account "pcarroll" ? Can you explain the above header please ? Are you forging "josephaz" ? 11. THREAT TO SUE DAVID R. KENDRICK:  Please remember: No one has the right to post information in the category of defamation, slander, lies, humiliation, etc.

Perhaps you ought to practice what you preach, instead of whining like a hypocrite. I have reputation and high credibility; You can check on me at the BBB (under Shairon Int’l.), or other credit bureau. Kendrick, Colin and King have no way to proof their credibility, and we all shall ignore them.

I checked the databases at both the Phoenix AND the Tuscon BBB web sites. Guess what ? Shairon isn’t listed at either – what a surprise. Being approved by a credit bureau is no guarantee of a good reputation, only that you can beat a credit scoring system. Yes, I did told KENDRICK, and a few other people that information they posted is defamation and slander, and soon as I can financially do it, and complete collection of information, I will sue the hell out of them.

And how many times have you made this threat ? You’ve already threatened to sue Dave Kendrick and your deadline passed several weeks ago. How many times have you threatened me over the last two years ? Have I been found guilty of defamation ? Have I been fined ? Have I lost my Demon account ? HAVE I HELL … read more »

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SEE ALL INFO IN WEB SITE:  INNEROUTPOST.COM/ASTHMA or contact me DR. KODER’S  ASTHMA PROCESS NOW AVAILABLE Dr. J. Julien Koder’s asthma process is now available to the public. The Israeli physician, Dr. J. Koder, developed the process and treated hundreds of people in Israel. The process is based on preparing and consuming a small quantity of natural grain in a short time only. I personally learned and used this process for my son and my brother. Within six months (the usage maximum period) my son no longer had any asthma symptoms, and my brother’s asthmatic cough  disappeared. The process is simple and easy to administer. For more information, please visit web site:  INNEROUTPOST.COM/ASTHMA Thank you. Joseph Tsiyoni, author of "AsthmaCare and Why My Son No Longer Suffers From Asthma Symptoms".

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(c) Copyrights 1998 by Joseph Tsiyoni

    Please note that this information, since it has now been posted to a public forum by its author with no claim of containing trade secrets, may be quoted as long as the source and author are credited properly.  These quotes are permitted under the fair use doctrine of U.S. copyright law.     Please remember to properly attribute quotes made of this material when quoting it in your complaints to your local Food and Drug Administration field office.     That’s important.

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(c) Copyrights 1998 by Joseph Tsiyoni WEB: WWW.INNEROUTPOST.COM/ASTHMA HERE IS THE INFORMATION Please note: All information here is protected under copyrights laws. No one is entitled to copy any part of this document by any way.

You need to learn something about copyright laws.  As long as we properly attribute the source we can quote all we want. Assured that there was absolutely no risk, since the process entailed only a natural food, there was nothing to lose except the agonizing discomfort of my son’s debilitating disease.

FYI there is evidence of risk.  You need to remove you unfounded claims that your treatment is risk free and may in fact be harmfull for up to 20% of asthmatics. Thorax 1988 Feb;43(2):93-97 Effects of a fish oil enriched diet on aspirin intolerant asthmatic patients: a pilot study. Picado C, Castillo JA, Schinca N, Pujades M, Ordinas A, Coronas A, Agusti-Vidal A "This pilot study suggests that fish diets may have a deleterious effect on patients with aspirin intolerant asthma." FYI, here is a more recent study on fish oil and asthma: Thorax 1988 Feb;43(2):84-92 Effect of dietary supplementation with fish oil lipids on mild asthma. Arm JP, Horton CE, Mencia-Huerta JM, House F, Eiser NM, Clark TJ, Spur BW, Lee TH "It is concluded that in subjects with mild asthma a fish oil enriched diet attenuates neutrophil function without changing the severity of asthma." Multiple authors and Thine FC, Dept. of Allergy and Allied Respiratory Disorders, London, UK, 1993: "Dietary Fish Oil Effects…asthma in Pollen-sensitive Subjects".

Actually this study concludes that fish oil is not beneficial in asthma. "In another long-term study, Thien et al[ 59] supplemented adults with asthma with 3.2 g per day of EPA and 2.2 g per day of DHA or a placebo for 6 months and demonstrated no change in peak flow, bronchial responsiveness to histamine, symptom score, or medication use for either group." Source: ‘Nutrition and Asthma’ http://www.ama-assn.org/special/asthma/library/readroom/60279.htm#fish Dry J., Vincent D., Center d’Allergie, Hospital Rothschild, Paris, 1991: "Effect of Fish Oil Diet on Asthma". The article conclusion was: "Our results are in favor of use fatty acids…

"Twelve adults with asthma were randomized into 2 groups receiving either 1 g per day of EPA and DHA or a placebo for 1 year in a study by Dry and Vincent.[ 58] Pulmonary function test results showed an increased FEV1 only at 9 months of supplementation. In this study, the baseline FEV1 varied substantially between the 2 groups, making any claim of a significant effect of fish oil supplementation questionable." Source: ibid.

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You must know that attacking a process via the internet is something that should be condemned. Arguing – yes.

  Ok, perhaps in singular cases. other than asthma. He was discover important information about the OMEGA

OIL   But is it OK to condemn your grammar? I have reputation and high credibility

  Indeed, I’m sure you do! Maury

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OMEGA OIL FATTY ACIDS: If anyone is interested in future help, he or she must know that OMEGA OIL FATTY ACIDS is the most important element in research for asthma cure and other diseases. In the information given by me, including WWW.INNEROUTPOST.COM/ASTHMA I try to help you people to understand the nature of OMEGA OIL. The natural grain consists of so much omega oil was in fact used by Dr. J. Koder, who developed the NATURAL FOOD COOKING PROCESS. That helped hundreds of people including my family members. Three stooges, KENDRICK, COLIN and KING have been attacking almost every line about this process, yet they never used any intelligent mean to discuss the issue with me, and to check credibility for writing the process in full. It is a fact that my son, who had sever asthma, was recovered from all symptoms within six months. You must know that attacking a process via the internet is something that should be condemned. Arguing – yes. Requesting information – yes. Challenging – yes. derogatory attacks, smear, defamation, etc. – no. Now, as to the process: The information below is not scientific. I am not a researcher. I raise one question: Do you wish to wait a few more years until someone with a degree comes and say "it works’, or you would like to give it a try like i did? It costs me only $30 worth of the entire grain for six months, and MY SON NO LONGER SUFFERS FROM ASTHMA SYMPTOMS. The information highlights the research hunt for more information about OMEGA OIL, and it does not matter whether Dr. Vane receive Nobel prize for something other than asthma. He was discover important information about the OMEGA OIL, and that is important. the point: To show to you that there is an international hunt for omega oil. At a lecture I gave to arizona nurses, an experienced physician interrupted my speech (fortunately), and confirmed the information I gave about the OMEGA OIL. Now, you have to think; IF I, OR MY CHILD SUFFER   from asthma: Shall I tried natural food that costs this joseph ENTIRELY only $30 (SAME AS ONE INHALER, OR TWO AFTER INSURANCE DEDUCTION) or shall I wait a few more years? All I bring to your information is the real story and the success of the OMEGA OIL and Dr. Koder’s process. Everything else is not important, including the 3 STOOGES KENDRICK, COLIN and KING, and you know them. here is the info: (c) Copyrights 1998 by Joseph Tsiyoni WEB: WWW.INNEROUTPOST.COM/ASTHMA HERE IS THE INFORMATION Please note: All information here is protected under copyrights laws. No one is entitled to copy any part of this document by any way. THIS DOCUMENT IS POSTED HERE IN RESPONSE TO SLANDER AND DEFAMATION INFORMATION POSTED BY THREE PEOPLE WHO TRY TO CONTROL THE ASTHMA NEWS GROUP: Colin, Kendrick, King. Remember these name, ignore them. Thank you Since November 1985, my son no longer has any symptoms of asthma, or any of the problems associated with asthma. He does not take any medications or treatments." Dr. Koder’s Asthma Process: To date there is no known cure; Yet, my son and others no longer suffer from asthma symptoms. An Israeli doctor, his unpublished asthma process, and $30 for a natural food supplement changed my son’s life forever. My son suffered from severe asthma for many years, resulting in frequent hospital visits, constant use of inhalers and medication, numerous days and nights of discomfort, and in some instances, his life was threatened. Since November 1985, my son no longer has any symptoms of asthma, or any of the problems associated with asthma. He does not take any medications or treatments. He now lives a healthy and normal life. Dr. Julien D. Koder, an Israeli doctor, developed a process to treat his patients suffering from asthma and irritating cough. He became aware of my son’s condition and personally instructed me in the use of his process. Dr. Koder’s process simply entailed the preparation and use of a natural seed for a period of six months….a natural seed which is a common food used and sold in food stores. No claims can be made that this process cures asthma. I can only claim that many of Dr. Koder’s patients, like my son, no longer suffer from asthma symptoms. (c) Copyrights 1998 by Joseph Tsiyoni "ASTHMACARE WAS THE BEST INVESTMENT I EVER MADE. I HAVE SAVED THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN DOCTORS BILLS, HOSPITAL BILLS, MEDICATIONS, AND OTHER RELATED MEDICAL EXPENSES." (c) Copyrights 1998 by Joseph Tsiyoni WHY MY SON NO LONGER SUFFERS FROM ASTHMA SYMPTOMS"</B A TRUE FAMILY EXPERIENCE "There is no known cure for asthma. But I was able to relieve the symptoms of my son’s asthma thanks to a natural food cooking process" (J.T., author) This is a remarkable story of how, after spending only $30 on six months of a natural seed supply, the author’s son no longer suffers from asthmatic symptoms, and has not used asthma medications since 1986. "Dear Dr. Koder, I am very grateful to you for helping me with my asthma. I am willing to travel all over the country on my own to convince people to use the natural seed…" When Dr. Koder showed the author this and many other thank-you letters, he knew he could help his son who suffered from severe asthma. Shortly before the book was written, the author’s brother suffered from an asthmatic cough. Within 15 days and $8 worth of grain, his cough was gone. DISCLAIMER: A. I do not have a medical degree nor do I offer any medical advice or treatment. B. By saying "my son no longer suffers from asthmatic symptoms" and "all asthma symptoms were gone", I mean that my son no longer shows any asthma symptoms, and that he has not used asthmatic medications for 10 years. C. To the best of my knowledge, there is no cure for asthma. Asthma can be controlled by treatment provided by a physician. However, I have had a personal family experience which resulted in the relief of asthma symptoms. D. The special process of preparing and cooking a natural seed, described in this book, is called AsthmaCare cooking process. E. In using the AsthmaCare cooking process, it is extremely important to read the entire book, and pay attention to all details. In cooking and using the grain, all medications should be continued. F. Before I started what I call the AsthmaCare cooking process, I knew that the success depended on various factors, of which I had no control. I tried to eliminate these factors. For example, air pollution, indoor pollutants (no one smoked in my home), weather and humidity (we moved from a humid area to the desert), dust mites (we constantly vacuumed) and emotional and physical stress (we tried to reduce stress as much as possible). Any of these factors can interfere with the process. That is why I realized there can be no guarantees of success. Fortunately, however, it did work for my son and my brother. G. My son no longer suffers from asthmatic symptoms which I believe is a direct result of the natural seed cooking process. H. Only a physician can treat and order medications change medications. I described a nutritional approach and process of a dietary nature. I believe it positive benefits for some people, with respect asthma and irritative cough, if the process is followed carefully and completely. I.  I do not know for sure how it works scientifically but, I the reality is that it worked for my family and for me and other people. Can this process work for someone else? I can only say it worked for us. J.  I PAID The cost of the seed, $30 for my son, and $8 for brother. That  was the best investment I ever made particularly in light of the hundreds of dollars in medication cost.  (c) Copyrights 1998 by Joseph Tsiyoni CAN DR. KODER’S ASTHMA PROCESS HELP YOU ? I, at first, was very skeptical knowing that there was no known cure for asthma, yet like all loving, concerned parents, was desperate to help my son. Assured that there was absolutely no risk, since the process entailed only a natural food, there was nothing to lose except the agonizing discomfort of my son’s debilitating disease. In 1996 my brother was diagnosed with an asthmatic cough. Per my advice, he also used Dr. Koder’s process, for only three weeks. He no longer suffers from any asthmatic symptoms. I have received Dr. Koder’s widow’s permission to document Dr. Koder’s process and share it with other asthma sufferers. She was also kind enough to share with me some of the many letters of appreciation from his patients. I cannot and do not make any claims that Dr. Koder’s process will cure or relieve asthma or its symptoms. I can only relate that both my son and brother no longer suffer from asthma, and that I am in possession of many letters from Dr. Koder’s patients expressing appreciation for his process and their relief from asthma. (c) Copyrights 1998 by Joseph Tsiyoni The late Israeli physician, Dr. J. Julien D. Koder, is the developer of the natural seed cooking process. "Dr. Koder, over forty years ago, developed a process which entailed cooking a natural seed which he found helpful to his asthmatic patients…. He, in turn, over the next forty years, used this process in helping many other people suffering from asthma, irritative cough, asthmatic cough and other similar conditions…. I had the privilege to learn the AsthmaCare cooking process’" from Dr. Koder personally. I am, and always will be, grateful to him for bringing my son to the point where he no longer suffers from asthma symptoms. This process also helped my brother who suffered from an asthmatic irritative cough…" SUMMARY: Omega Oil Fatty Acid is probably a major factor in asthma treatment. It is assumed that after the "AsthmaCare Cooking Process"" gets recognition, researchers will find the scientific reason for its contribution to its effectiveness. It is known that the medical industry ignores idea provided without Published Peer Reviewed Research (PPRR). However, since the "food" for this process is on the market for centuries … read more »

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(c) Copyrights 1998 by Joseph Tsiyoni WEB: WWW.INNEROUTPOST.COM/ASTHMA HERE IS THE INFORMATION Please note: All information here is protected under copyrights laws. No one is entitled to copy any part of this document by any way. THIS DOCUMENT IS POSTED HERE IN RESPONSE TO SLANDER AND DEFAMATION INFORMATION POSTED BY THREE PEOPLE WHO TRY TO CONTROL THE ASTHMA NEWS GROUP: Colin, Kendrick, King. Remember these name, ignore them. Thank you Since November 1985, my son no longer has any symptoms of asthma, or any of the problems associated with asthma. He does not take any medications or treatments." Dr. Koder’s Asthma Process: To date there is no known cure; Yet, my son and others no longer suffer from asthma symptoms. An Israeli doctor, his unpublished asthma process, and $30 for a natural food supplement changed my son’s life forever. My son suffered from severe asthma for many years, resulting in frequent hospital visits, constant use of inhalers and medication, numerous days and nights of discomfort, and in some instances, his life was threatened. Since November 1985, my son no longer has any symptoms of asthma, or any of the problems associated with asthma. He does not take any medications or treatments. He now lives a healthy and normal life. Dr. Julien D. Koder, an Israeli doctor, developed a process to treat his patients suffering from asthma and irritating cough. He became aware of my son’s condition and personally instructed me in the use of his process. Dr. Koder’s process simply entailed the preparation and use of a natural seed for a period of six months….a natural seed which is a common food used and sold in food stores. No claims can be made that this process cures asthma. I can only claim that many of Dr. Koder’s patients, like my son, no longer suffer from asthma symptoms. (c) Copyrights 1998 by Joseph Tsiyoni "ASTHMACARE WAS THE BEST INVESTMENT I EVER MADE. I HAVE SAVED THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN DOCTORS BILLS, HOSPITAL BILLS, MEDICATIONS, AND OTHER RELATED MEDICAL EXPENSES." (c) Copyrights 1998 by Joseph Tsiyoni WHY MY SON NO LONGER SUFFERS FROM ASTHMA SYMPTOMS"</B A TRUE FAMILY EXPERIENCE "There is no known cure for asthma. But I was able to relieve the symptoms of my son’s asthma thanks to a natural food cooking process" (J.T., author) This is a remarkable story of how, after spending only $30 on six months of a natural seed supply, the author’s son no longer suffers from asthmatic symptoms, and has not used asthma medications since 1986. "Dear Dr. Koder, I am very grateful to you for helping me with my asthma. I am willing to travel all over the country on my own to convince people to use the natural seed…" When Dr. Koder showed the author this and many other thank-you letters, he knew he could help his son who suffered from severe asthma. Shortly before the book was written, the author’s brother suffered from an asthmatic cough. Within 15 days and $8 worth of grain, his cough was gone. DISCLAIMER: A. I do not have a medical degree nor do I offer any medical advice or treatment. B. By saying "my son no longer suffers from asthmatic symptoms" and "all asthma symptoms were gone", I mean that my son no longer shows any asthma symptoms, and that he has not used asthmatic medications for 10 years. C. To the best of my knowledge, there is no cure for asthma. Asthma can be controlled by treatment provided by a physician. However, I have had a personal family experience which resulted in the relief of asthma symptoms. D. The special process of preparing and cooking a natural seed, described in this book, is called AsthmaCare cooking process. E. In using the AsthmaCare cooking process, it is extremely important to read the entire book, and pay attention to all details. In cooking and using the grain, all medications should be continued. F. Before I started what I call the AsthmaCare cooking process, I knew that the success depended on various factors, of which I had no control. I tried to eliminate these factors. For example, air pollution, indoor pollutants (no one smoked in my home), weather and humidity (we moved from a humid area to the desert), dust mites (we constantly vacuumed) and emotional and physical stress (we tried to reduce stress as much as possible). Any of these factors can interfere with the process. That is why I realized there can be no guarantees of success. Fortunately, however, it did work for my son and my brother. G. My son no longer suffers from asthmatic symptoms which I believe is a direct result of the natural seed cooking process. H. Only a physician can treat and order medications change medications. I described a nutritional approach and process of a dietary nature. I believe it positive benefits for some people, with respect asthma and irritative cough, if the process is followed carefully and completely. I.  I do not know for sure how it works scientifically but, I the reality is that it worked for my family and for me and other people. Can this process work for someone else? I can only say it worked for us. J.  I PAID The cost of the seed, $30 for my son, and $8 for brother. That  was the best investment I ever made particularly in light of the hundreds of dollars in medication cost.  (c) Copyrights 1998 by Joseph Tsiyoni CAN DR. KODER’S ASTHMA PROCESS HELP YOU ? I, at first, was very skeptical knowing that there was no known cure for asthma, yet like all loving, concerned parents, was desperate to help my son. Assured that there was absolutely no risk, since the process entailed only a natural food, there was nothing to lose except the agonizing discomfort of my son’s debilitating disease. In 1996 my brother was diagnosed with an asthmatic cough. Per my advice, he also used Dr. Koder’s process, for only three weeks. He no longer suffers from any asthmatic symptoms. I have received Dr. Koder’s widow’s permission to document Dr. Koder’s process and share it with other asthma sufferers. She was also kind enough to share with me some of the many letters of appreciation from his patients. I cannot and do not make any claims that Dr. Koder’s process will cure or relieve asthma or its symptoms. I can only relate that both my son and brother no longer suffer from asthma, and that I am in possession of many letters from Dr. Koder’s patients expressing appreciation for his process and their relief from asthma. (c) Copyrights 1998 by Joseph Tsiyoni The late Israeli physician, Dr. J. Julien D. Koder, is the developer of the natural seed cooking process. "Dr. Koder, over forty years ago, developed a process which entailed cooking a natural seed which he found helpful to his asthmatic patients…. He, in turn, over the next forty years, used this process in helping many other people suffering from asthma, irritative cough, asthmatic cough and other similar conditions…. I had the privilege to learn the AsthmaCare cooking process’" from Dr. Koder personally. I am, and always will be, grateful to him for bringing my son to the point where he no longer suffers from asthma symptoms. This process also helped my brother who suffered from an asthmatic irritative cough…" SUMMARY: Omega Oil Fatty Acid is probably a major factor in asthma treatment. It is assumed that after the "AsthmaCare Cooking Process"" gets recognition, researchers will find the scientific reason for its contribution to its effectiveness. It is known that the medical industry ignores idea provided without Published Peer Reviewed Research (PPRR). However, since the "food" for this process is on the market for centuries (there are several types of the same grain), and costs only $34 for the entire process, it would be unfortunate to wait years until a medical institution will decide to complete the PPRR. Doctors are urged to seriously examine this process and apply it. SCIENTIFIC FACTS RELATED TO Dr. KODER ‘S ASTHMA PROCESS On Feb. 7, 1996, it was reported by some news agencies, including CNN,  that Omega Oil Fatty Acid found in fish reduces asthma attacks. Associated Press reported June 9, 1997 that the Goud family in India treat asthmatic people using 152 years old secret formula. They give people live FISH (already proved that consists Omega Oil) and herbs. Dr. Julien J. Koder, the developer of the unpublished "AsthmaCare Cooking Process" is from India, where he developed the process. The nature of the process is a six month eating of a natural grain, consists of 91% Omega Oil. Dozens of famous International researchers have written about the relations between Omega Oil and asthma. The "AsthmaCare Cooking Process"" worked perfectly for the author’s family members and hundreds of people who were treated by Dr. Julien Koder. That is an undisputed fact. The process takes a few weeks for irritative cough, breathing difficulties and coryza (nasal mucus), and six months for asthma. The author personally learned the process from Dr. Koder, and applied it successfully on family members. He has concluded the entire process and wrote it in his book. Since the grain involved in the process contains 91% Omega Oil, it seems that that is the first reason why the process is so successful. The second reason is, probably, the specific cooking and serving process developed by Dr. Koder. The combinations of the two is probably the reason for the success. OMEGA OIL FATTY ACIDS</B On February 1996, the following information has been reported: 2/6/1996: CNN reported on "Omega oil found in fish reduces asthma attacks in children"; London Daily reported "Fresh Fish Can Help Children Fight Asthma" . The "Better Nutrition" by Argus Press reported under "Evening Primrose Oil" about the omega oil findings; The Washingtonian Magazine reported under "Alternative Therapy" the story about omega oil and asthma. 2/4/1996, UPI reported that omega oil reduces asthma attacks in children. Various articles by internationally recognized researchers including: … read more »

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Two years ago, during a particularly hot and humid August, I began experiencing breathing problems, especially in the middle of the night.  My chest felt tight, I sometimes felt stabbing pains in my chest, and I felt that although I was breathing air in, very little of it entered my lungs. Yawning often made me feel a little better. I have never experienced wheezing or coughing. I went to a doctor, who listened to my chest, said I sounded fine to him, but that I probably had asthma.  He gave me a peak flow meter and a prescription for albuterol. I am now with another doctor, and my symptoms are getting worse. Theyv’e since tried Intal, and we’re now trying a steroid inhaler. The only test I’ve had is the same stethoscope-to-my-back treatment.  Even when I feel like hell, the doctor says I sound great.  My peak flow has never gone below 325. Any comments?  Why do I sound great when I feel awful? What’s a "good peak flow"? (my doctor always says I’m fine  - regardless of how my chest feels to me) Thanks for any input

Asthma is diagnosed using lung function tests, either with an office spiromter machine you blow into–it plots your exhalation flow versus time; or in a pulmonary function test lab. The test would be repeated after administering a bronchodilator like albuterol; an approx 15% improvement in lung function tends to support an asthma diagnosis. The stethoscope can be useful in detecting any signs of wheezing; but wheezing isn’t required for an asthma diagnosis. Peak flow–there are tables based on height, age, and sex, which give typical outputs. Recording your peak flows at home can be helpful in diagnosis. Record the low in the am when you get up before meds, and the high in the afternoon. Significent fluctuations (15-20%) can tend to support an asthma diagnosis. Note that Peak Flow Meters measure the condition of the large airways, so if you had small airway disease it might not show up on that kind of test; but a spirometer or pulmonary function test would diagnose it properly. In difficult cases a methacholine lung function test can be adminstered, again in a pulmonary function test lab; using methacholine as a ‘challenge’ to see if it reduces lung function by 20%. Asthma meds like albuterol (short-acting) & steroid inhalers (long-acting) are the primary medication and improvement with their use tends to support an asthma diagnosis. Nocturnal symptoms are also indicative of asthma. Stabbing chest pains are not typical of asthma, but could be related to GERD, gastroesophageal reflux, which can cause asthma as reflux is aspirated into lungs. It sounds like you need to be referred to a good asthma doctor, typically either an allergist or pulmonogist specializing in asthma. You don’t have to be allergic to go to an allergist, since they are often the best informed on asthma. If you do have allergies, all the more reason to go to an allergist to find out what you are allergic to, so you can take avoidance measures; and even consider allergy shots in a few cases. Ellis

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—cut— I am now with another doctor, and my symptoms are getting worse. Theyv’e since tried Intal, and we’re now trying a steroid inhaler. The only test I’ve had is the same stethoscope-to-my-back treatment.  Even when I feel like hell, the doctor says I sound great.  My peak flow has never gone below 325. What shape comes out if you chart your PF morning & evening?  A zig-zag line indicates asthma.  So also does an increase (10%?) if you take record your value, take Intal (assuming its a broncho-dilatory – names are different in the UK) and record again 10-15 minutes later.  And improvement with the steroid inhaler (can take a few weeks) also suggests asthma since your problem responds to asthma treatment.—cut— Surfer!

INTAL–not a bronchodilator, its a mild anti-inflammatory used in very Mild asthma or as an additive inhaler–called cromolyn sodium in US and sodium cromoglycate elsewhere. Its manufactured by Fisons/3M Health Care Ltd, Loughborough, England, per the info on my box of Intal (I use as an additive inhaler) It takes several weeks for Intal to take effect. Its available as an MDI, nebulized solution, and in some places as a spinhaler. See: http://www.rxmed.com/monographs/intalin.html Intal (Canadian) "INTAL

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The new asthma pill, Singulair has now been approved for marketing in the US and should be available in pharmacies in mid-March. See: http://www.prnewswire.com/   Excerpts: " WEST POINT, Pa., Feb. 23 /PRNewswire/ — An important therapeutic option has arrived for the nearly 10 million adults and five million children in America who live with the distressing disease of asthma, as the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has cleared for marketing Singulair(R) (montelukast sodium), a new once-a-day pill for the prevention and chronic treatment of asthma.     Of the new class of asthma medicines called leukotriene blockers, Singulair is the first intended for both adults and children as young as six, and the first developed for once-daily use.  Singulair works by blocking leukotrienes, powerful substances that are involved in the inflammatory process associated with asthma.  Singulair is not a steroid and in clinical studies was as well-tolerated as placebo, or a sugar pill.  It will be available in pharmacies by mid-March as both a 10 mg tablet for adolescents and adults and a 5 mg cherry-flavored chewable tablet for children ages 6 to 14.  Singulair should be taken in the evening and may be taken with or without food.  Merck estimates that the retail price for Singulair will be between $69 and $72 per month, which includes markups of 25 to 30 percent that are based on historical audit data.  Prices at the retail level are established by pharmacies, not by Merck, and can vary. More information about Singulair may be found on the Internet at http://www.singulair.com."

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         Yeah? well the rest of the World disagrees with America, land of the oppresed but free.         See, Canada, UK, France, Spain, Germany, Russia, China, Korea, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Argentina, Brazil, South Africa, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Bahrain, ect… all do straight forward business with Cuba. But not America, of course not, they have to put sanctions on to the poorest country in the America’s just because a few bureaucrats lost some money when Fidel Castro came up. And i have one word for them, SERVESYOURIGHT , I know it’s supposed to be three.         So there American, this Canuck just blew your horn, what ya gonna do about it? — Peter "Still all alone in the lonely land"

Actually, it was Meyer lansky and the rest of the JEW MAFIA, who got thrown out of Cuba with batista and his drug dealing buddies, that got the USA involved. This is history, and I guess the US does not like people to remember the TRUE HISTORY.

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        Yeah? well the rest of the World disagrees with America, land of the oppresed but free.         See, Canada, UK, France, Spain, Germany, Russia, China, Korea, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Argentina, Brazil, South Africa, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Bahrain, ect… all do straight forward business with Cuba. But not America, of course not, they have to put sanctions on to the poorest country in the America’s just because a few bureaucrats lost some money when Fidel Castro came up. And i have one word for them, SERVESYOURIGHT , I know it’s supposed to be three.         So there American, this Canuck just blew your horn, what ya gonna do about it? — Peter "Still all alone in the lonely land"

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bschien…. what the hell is wrong with you? if you feel so strongly about Cuba  doing so much better than the rest of the world, then maybe you should take  yourself there.  Not for a day or two, but for 38years, and then come back and  tell me how good and advanced Cuba is.  If the Cuban people felt the way you  do, I don’t believe they would be risking their lives on an everyday basis on  the waters separating them from freedom. I’m sorry, but I disagree with you !

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There are quite a few things that Cuba does not have that many countries of  Latin America do have (for at least those who can afford them).  When citing a list of the near-necessities that are difficult to find and / or

YOU ARE A PRETY STUPID INDIVIDUAL,YOU DO NOT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CUBA NOT ABOUT CUBANS,SO PLEASE, SPARE US YOU COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA.

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Mr Schier. Much of what you say is untrue, and much of the rest is a lie. best wishes Larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are quite a few things that Cuba does not have that many countries of  Latin America do have (for at least those who can afford them).  When citing a list of the near-necessities that are difficult to find and / or in short supply in Cuba (e.g., aspirins, asthma treatment devices, hospital gowns, and many other medical items), as well as most consumer items, opponents of the Cuban revolution fail to mention the principal cause of that shortage: the U.S. embargo against Cuba.  International law states that it is illegal for one nation to try to fight even a declared war through attempting to deny food and medicine to a civilian population; U.S. policy is even more illegal in view of the fact the U.S. government has been waging an UNDECLARED WAR against Cuba.  The sentiment expressed in the initial U.N. General Assembly vote on a resolution condemning the U.S. embargo against Cuba, 58 to 3, has increased so that the most recent resolution passed by a margin of 113 to 3 (with the U.S. and Israel being the only repeat "no" votes). There are quite a few things that Cuba does not have that many countries of Latin America do have.  Death squads come to mind.  (Not by coincidence are these death squad leaders / founders, such as the infamous late Roberto D’Aubuisson of El Salvador, graduates of U.S. military training institutions.).  Although apartments are too-often shared and fresh paint a rarity, conditions are different from what a U.N. report released in November 1995 described as 500,000,000 people either homeless or living in "life-threatening … habitation".  Consider what a Cuban billboard states: "200,000,000 children in the world go to bed homeless.  Not one of them lives in Cuba."  Cuba has advanced since the Revolution from 40%-60% illiteracy to 4%-6% illiteracy, leading Latin America (or running neck-and-neck with Costa Rica and / or Argentina) in almost every education category.  Moreover, education in Cuba is totally free, from kindergarten to college, from sandbox to surgery school. Despite shortages of pens, pencils, and paper, Cuba has the HIGHEST ratio of teachers to population of any country IN THE WORLD.  (Half of Cuba 6,000 doctors left for the U.S. at the time of the Revolution.  Now, Cuba has more than 66,666 doctors, which is the HIGHEST ratio of doctors to population of any country IN THE WORLD.  (Moreover, 3/5 of these doctors are women. 1/3 of Cuban doctors are Afro-Cubans.  Bakke and Proposition 209 fans, put that fact in your pipes and smoke it!) But, there is one important thing that Cuba has that none of the countries of Latin America has – true independence.  In contrast to the trend in Latin America to implement austerity programs and to privatize and sell every nationalized / national asset to the highest bidder, whenever International Monetary Fund, Wall Street or Washington say so, Cuba is the "first free territory of the Americas."  Despite a severe economic crisis, Cuba has not shut down one clinic, one hospital or one school.  Can the same be said for the country whose economic situation has the Dow-Jones breaking new records?

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There are quite a few things that Cuba does not have that many countries of  Latin America do have (for at least those who can afford them).  When citing a list of the near-necessities that are difficult to find and / or in short supply in Cuba (e.g., aspirins, asthma treatment devices, hospital gowns, and many other medical items), as well as most consumer items, opponents of the Cuban revolution fail to mention the principal cause of that shortage: the U.S. embargo against Cuba.  International law states that it is illegal for one nation to try to fight even a declared war through attempting to deny food and medicine to a civilian population; U.S. policy is even more illegal in view of the fact the U.S. government has been waging an UNDECLARED WAR against Cuba.  The sentiment expressed in the initial U.N. General Assembly vote on a resolution condemning the U.S. embargo against Cuba, 58 to 3, has increased so that the most recent resolution passed by a margin of 113 to 3 (with the U.S. and Israel being the only repeat "no" votes). There are quite a few things that Cuba does not have that many countries of Latin America do have.  Death squads come to mind.  (Not by coincidence are these death squad leaders / founders, such as the infamous late Roberto D’Aubuisson of El Salvador, graduates of U.S. military training institutions.).  Although apartments are too-often shared and fresh paint a rarity, conditions are different from what a U.N. report released in November 1995 described as 500,000,000 people either homeless or living in "life-threatening … habitation".  Consider what a Cuban billboard states: "200,000,000 children in the world go to bed homeless.  Not one of them lives in Cuba."  Cuba has advanced since the Revolution from 40%-60% illiteracy to 4%-6% illiteracy, leading Latin America (or running neck-and-neck with Costa Rica and / or Argentina) in almost every education category.  Moreover, education in Cuba is totally free, from kindergarten to college, from sandbox to surgery school. Despite shortages of pens, pencils, and paper, Cuba has the HIGHEST ratio of teachers to population of any country IN THE WORLD.  (Half of Cuba 6,000 doctors left for the U.S. at the time of the Revolution.  Now, Cuba has more than 66,666 doctors, which is the HIGHEST ratio of doctors to population of any country IN THE WORLD.  (Moreover, 3/5 of these doctors are women. 1/3 of Cuban doctors are Afro-Cubans.  Bakke and Proposition 209 fans, put that fact in your pipes and smoke it!) But, there is one important thing that Cuba has that none of the countries of Latin America has – true independence.  In contrast to the trend in Latin America to implement austerity programs and to privatize and sell every nationalized / national asset to the highest bidder, whenever International Monetary Fund, Wall Street or Washington say so, Cuba is the "first free territory of the Americas."  Despite a severe economic crisis, Cuba has not shut down one clinic, one hospital or one school.  Can the same be said for the country whose economic situation has the Dow-Jones breaking new records?

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In article , HI. About 3 weeks ago,     my daughter had a major asthmatic episode, and was hospitalized. Now it is acting up again already!!! Any suggestions to help us stop  this from happening??

It often seems to me that I am more susceptible to another attack after getting over an attack – whether this is because the first attack has not completely gone away, or just that my allergies are a prime trigger and the stuff I’m allergic to is still around, I don’t know. I’d suggest talking to her doctor, and maybe seeing an allergist or someone else who specializes in asthma.  Ask them how to stop the recurrent attacks, because they know more about what causes them for your daughter in the first place. janet

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My son has had rebound episodes when taken off the prednisone too quickly. His doctor now tapers him off of it when he has to take it. He very rarely rebounds now. Valarie

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In article , HI. About 3 weeks ago, my daughter had a major asthmatic episode, and was hospitalized. Now it is acting up again already!!! Any suggestions to help us stop  this from happening?? It often seems to me that I am more susceptible to another attack after getting over an attack – whether this is because the first attack has not completely gone away, or just that my allergies are a prime trigger and the stuff I’m allergic to is still around, I don’t know. I’d suggest talking to her doctor, and maybe seeing an allergist or someone else who specializes in asthma.  Ask them how to stop the recurrent attacks, because they know more about what causes them for your daughter in the first place. janet

Janet, I know what you mean about being more susceptible to an attack if I’ve had one recently.  It works the same way with my allergies.  The same is true if I’m under more stress or have been sick. Lee – From beautiful central Indiana

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My thoughts are that if your daughter was just in the hospital with a "major" asthma episode and now is in one 3 weeks later, she never got completely out of the last asthma attach. How long was she on oral prednisone.  Were her symptoms completely gone or did she still cough, have shortness of breath with exercise, and/or wake up at night needing her inhaler.  Were her pulmonary functions normal.   It sounds like your child needs to be seen by a pediatric pulmonologist and not just a family physician. : : In article , : : HI. About 3 weeks ago,       my daughter had a major asthmatic episode, and : was hospitalized. Now it is acting up again already!!! Any suggestions to : help us stop  this from happening?? : :

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HI. About 3 weeks ago,  my daughter had a major asthmatic episode, and was hospitalized. Now it is acting up again already!!! Any suggestions to help us stop  this from happening?? betty

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HI. About 3 weeks ago,  my daughter had a major asthmatic episode, and was hospitalized. Now it is acting up again already!!! Any suggestions to help us stop  this from happening?? betty

Betty, 1. Find a good asthma doctor. 2. Become better educated on asthma treatment. A good book is ‘The Asthma Sourcebook’, Francis Adams, MD Lots of info at www.njc.org and www.aaaai.org 3.Join an asthma support group (contact American Lung Assoc) 4.Use a Peak Flow Meter to monitor lung function, and an action plan to increase meds if peak flow drops into green zone (<80% of personal best) 5. Find out what her asthma triggers are; allergies, pollen, etc and avoid them. See an allergist for tests. Ellis

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HI. About 3 weeks ago,  my daughter had a major asthmatic episode, and was hospitalized. Now it is acting up again already!!! Any suggestions to help us stop  this from happening?? betty Betty, 1. Find a good asthma doctor. 2. Become better educated on asthma treatment. A good book is ‘The Asthma Sourcebook’, Francis Adams, MD Lots of info at www.njc.org and www.aaaai.org 3.Join an asthma support group (contact American Lung Assoc) 4.Use a Peak Flow Meter to monitor lung function, and an action plan to increase meds if peak flow drops into green zone (<80% of personal best) 5. Find out what her asthma triggers are; allergies, pollen, etc and avoid them. See an allergist for tests. Ellis

Wonderful advice.  May I also add that an "asthma doctor" is not simply the child’s pediatrician.  Not many of them are very good at treating asthma even in children.  You need to find a pediatric asthma specialist.  They are few and far between but keep looking.  It is well worth it. Loki — ` x ` x

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Can’t say enough about finding an asthma specialist.  We had our first visit today with the specialist.  Wow is all I can say.  The Intal we have been using for the past 3 years is all wrong and not doing a thing for my son (as I suspected).  The doctor zeroed in on what he thinks is the real culprit – his sinuses (somthing we suspected, but never got anywhere with the pediatrician, we we asked him to look into it further).  We are scheduled for at CAT scan of his sinuses, some skin testing for allergies and a "stress" test kind of thing.  We came home armed with a nasal spray and nasal inhaler and a tablet to clear up the congestion.  Finally someone who listens to our concerns.  We have pout off asking for the referral since, our son never had any bad "attacks", no ER visits and only occassional uses of the nebulizer.   the referral was given no questions asked.  It probanly helped that I was not some demanding pushy type, but instead said that I had some additional concerns and would they mind writing the referral, before the cold season is upon us? Now I’m not saying that the meds we brought home are the end all, but at least we have a doctor who is willing to do further testing and find out what the problem is.  He may not have asthma at all, just some sinus and allergy problems.  I think after we get my son properly diagnosed, I will be making an appointment for myself –  (the Nurse Practioner made my diagnosis last year) Mary-Ellen

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Get the kid to a Doctor.  You shouldn’t expect your child to behave like a invalid they should be able to and EXPECTED TO be like any other kid.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a 5 year old with asthma,we live in brisbane Australia.Is there anywhere that has good conditions for an asthmatic.Also how can you stop a 5 year old active child from running around and playing,when she gets active this starts it of…..Adrian

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I have a 5 year old with asthma,we live in brisbane Australia.Is there anywhere that has good conditions for an asthmatic.Also how can you stop a 5 year old active child from running around and playing,when she gets active this starts it of…..Adrian

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I have a 5 year old with asthma,we live in brisbane Australia.Is there anywhere that has good conditions for an asthmatic.Also how can you stop a 5 year old active child from running around and playing,when she gets active this starts it of…..Adrian

Since running and playing is something that is considered a ‘normal childhood’ I don’t think that you should discourage them.  I suggest that you take her to an asthma specalist and see what can be done so she can run and play without asthma. The primary goal of an asthma treatment program is for the patient to live a completely normal life.  If she cannot play like other children you should be insisting that the doctors get her asthma under control. Be assertative and don’t settle for anything less that reducing her asthma symptons to mild and infrequent.

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what do you feel is the ideal age for a women to start having children in this day and age? what do you feel is the ideal age for a man to start having children in this day and age?

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what do you feel is the ideal age for a women to start having children in this day and age? what do you feel is the ideal age for a man to start having children in this day and age?

That’s very much an individual thing.  And I don’t think there is an ideal age.  Perhaps if I had my daughter sooner I wouldn’t have all the medical problems I do now.  I was 38 when I got pregnant, 39 when I had her.  The diabetes and thyroid problems, and problems with the veins in my legs all showed up during pregnancy.  Then again, who knows? — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Nout, Although I am childless, I notice that your posts are on the subject of children or women with diabetes having children. Is this for your information, or is someone you know a diabetic, and is wanting to know? Well, as bad as the world is, and with much evil, I would have to say that bringing a child up these days is rough. I recently found out that my 19 year old neice is pregnant. I found out from the future grandpa….my brother, and he said she had a miscarriage one time before. I was shocked, and am thrilled, but her grandparents (my mom and dad) don’t know, and they had high hopes for her to go to school, and not have this type of responsibility holding her back. My parents helped to raise her when my brother had odd hour shifts at the job he once worked at. I know they will be heartbroken to hear this. My neice lives with her boyfriend and his mom and stepdad. But, if all works out and she doesn’t suffer a miscarriage again, I, as a great aunt, will be thrilled. I would hope it would be a boy, but if a girl, it doesn’t matter. I am single, and probably the chance for me to have a kid is just a "never will happen," and being a type 1 for nearly 30 years, will just be more of a high risk. I kinda thought that my neices would be married before me and/or probably having kids. They can bring their kids to their aunt to care for, or baby sit. But, when ever is the best time to have kids should depend on if you have the stability, or financial means. Too many young girls/women…teens have babies, and can’t support them, or have their freedom shortened because of a responsibility of taking care of a baby. My neice is young. My mom was 17 when she had my oldest brother. She was 38 when she had me. So, there is a 22-23 years age differenc between me and him. 20 years between me and the 2nd oldest, and 10 years between me and the 3rd brother. Mom spaced us kids out. I am the baby. I feel it just depends on the person, whether he or she feels ready, and when their partner is too, but sometimes it don’t work like that. JMHO. I am sure you will get replies to this subject, but is it related to diabetes/ or does your question deal with people with diabetes having kids? Kimberly Hedrick type 1, since 1974, at age 3.

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what do you feel is the ideal age for a women to start having children in this day and age?

35 what do you feel is the ideal age for a man to start having children in this day and age?

45 — Chuck Prejudice can be divided into pre-judgments (easier than thinking) and bigotry (easier to feel good about oneself when one can push down another group). All outgoing messages checked by Norton AntiVirus.

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what do you feel is the ideal age for a women to start having children in this day and age? 35

At 53-54 she would have forgotten what it was like to be 18 and a girl.. Mom and daughter would be havin’ problems I think… what do you feel is the ideal age for a man to start having children in this day and age? 45

That would make me 70 when my son is 25 which he is now.. We would not have half the fun we have if I was 70. They would not let me in some of the clubs around here at 70  LOL Goofy thread…  But hey I like to play what if? — Reg Linux User #277529 http://counter.li.org There is no place like /home http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/                      

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My thoughts are you should wait until you are out of school and have a good job to support your new family.   That is the way I did it.  I was 25 when my first was born. But one thing I will say you should wait until you are at least 19,  I don’t believe children should be producing more children it is just a bad thing because usually the grand parents have to step in and raise the new child due to the fact that the immature and not ready for parenthood teenagers cant hack it, a theame we seem to see a lot of now days.

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what do you feel is the ideal age for a women to start having children in this day and age?

when she’s ready. what do you feel is the ideal age for a man to start having children in this day and age?

when he’s mature enough to meet his responsibilities and not cut and run when things get tough. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org

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They say a woman today can have a safe and healthy baby between te ages of        27 and      32,  I know this from my daughter who is not having one until thirty two  A man can have a baby till he is in the grave,  But in my opinion I dont think it is fair to have a baby when a man is fifty,  He becomes too old to be a real father ih most cases  I think by forty is the latest a man should have a child but preferably in his mid tirties.  Today, people want to have it all and do it all before they have children.  When i had a child in the early seventies I was 29 and that was considered old.  Today  29 is still a kid loretta. — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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Hi Loretta, My daughter had a baby at age 31.  Our granddaughter is perfectly healthy and for that we are very grateful. I was 25 (almost 26) when we had our daughter, and as you said, that was considered old for a first child.  Most who were in the hospital with me were in their early 20’s. I know that the doctors say that the best time for a woman to give birth (from a physical standpoint) is in her middle 20’s.  I would think that a woman’s physical health (first) and her family history (second) would play a big part in trying to make her decision at what age to have children. Course, physically, a man can have a baby at any age.  Probably the best age would be middle 20’s to middle 30’s to start that family.  Everything depends on the situation he is in, though. Take care, Loretta! Best, Dot Type 2  Diag 8/2001 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They say a woman today can have a safe and healthy baby between te ages of   27 and  32,  I know this from my daughter who is not having one until thirty two  A man can have a baby till he is in the grave,  But in my opinion I dont think it is fair to have a baby when a man is fifty,  He becomes too old to be a real father ih most cases  I think by forty is the latest a man should have a child but preferably in his mid tirties.  Today, people want to have it all and do it all before they have children.  When i had a child in the early seventies I was 29 and that was considered old.  Today  29 is still a kid loretta. — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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what do you feel is the ideal age for a women to start having children in this day and age?

In this day and age, this issue has become a problem. The chances of becoming pregnant as well as having healthy children diminishes fairly rapidly after age 28 for women. Many women have tried to defer reproduction for careers and it has boomeranged on them. Birth defects really get to be more frequent as women pass age 35. what do you feel is the ideal age for a man to start having children in this day and age?

If the man is to be the primary provider for his family, completion of education and establishment of career are important before fathering children.  Too many young guys are no more than studs. Frank

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my uncle is 65 and got married to his 4th wife they now have too kids. too bad he want live to see them grow up.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Whenever your kids are out of control, you can take comfort from the thought that even God’s omnipotence did not extend to His kids. After creating heaven and earth, God created Adam and Eve. The  first thing God said was: "Don’t". "Don’t what?" Adam replied. "Don’t eat the forbidden fruit." God said. "Forbidden fruit? We got forbidden fruit? Hey, Eve.. we got forbidden fruit!" "No way!" "Yes way!" "Don’t eat that fruit!" said God. "Why?" "Because I am your Father and I said so!" said God, wondering why he hadn’t stopped after making the elephants. A few minutes later God saw his kids having an apple break and was angry. "Didn’t I tell you not to eat the fruit?" God asked. "Uh huh, " Adam replied. "Then why did you?" "I dunno" Eve answered. "She started it!" Adam said. "Did not!" "Did too!" "DID NOT!!" Having had it with the two of them, God’s punishment was that Adam and Eve should have children of their own. Thus, the pattern was set and it’s never changed. But there is reassurance in this story. If you have persistently and lovingly tried to give them wisdom and they haven’t taken it, don’t be hard on yourself.  If God had trouble handling children, what makes you think it would be a piece of cake for you? he he!  :)

Yeah-but! If it’s turtles ALL the way down, who’s God’s Dad!!???? Steve

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Whenever your kids are out of control, you can take comfort from the  thought that even God’s omnipotence did not extend to His kids.  After creating heaven and earth, God created Adam and Eve.  The  first thing God said was: "Don’t".  "Don’t what?" Adam replied.  "Don’t eat the forbidden fruit." God said.  "Forbidden fruit? We got forbidden fruit? Hey, Eve.. we got forbidden  fruit!"  "No way!"  "Yes way!"  "Don’t eat that fruit!" said God.  "Why?"  "Because I am your Father and I said so!" said God, wondering why he  hadn’t stopped after making the elephants.

Actually an example of bad parenting. Never say do not do because I said so. You are supposed to give a reason. Well I guess we would be all better off If good would have had some parenting classes <g  A few minutes later God saw his kids having an apple break and was  angry.  "Didn’t I tell you not to eat the fruit?" God asked.

Well that’s the result of above. And I guess he was not watching either. Maybe reason to notify CPS? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  "Uh huh, " Adam replied.  "Then why did you?"  "I dunno" Eve answered.  "She started it!" Adam said.  "Did not!"  "Did too!"  "DID NOT!!"  Having had it with the two of them, God’s punishment was that Adam and  Eve should have children of their own.

I just hope the where over 18!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Thus, the pattern was set and it’s never changed.  But there is reassurance in this story. If you have persistently and  lovingly tried to give them wisdom and they haven’t taken it, don’t be  hard on yourself.  If God had trouble handling children, what makes you  think it would be a piece of cake for you?

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I have 4 daughters (6,7,9 &10) all girls!!! When thier dad leaves from visiting they will NOT listen. I dont understand why they will listen and behave for him and not for me. I’ve tried everything from talking to putting them in thier rooms,I dont want to spank them but I dont know what to do?              HELP Frustrated Mom Louisville,Ky.

Why are you such a divorce-cripple? What you’re actually saying is not that they are hard of hearing, but that they listen but don’t jump to obey you. Why would they need to?? If they aren’t dead yet from not obeying you have you asked why yet?? Perhaps what you demand is not really needed. Are you a doormat who does anything for them even if they do nothing for you?? That’s not love, that’s emotional enmeshment!! I suggest you indicate to them that if they want you to do specific things for them that they do specific things for you, or you’re not going to do anything for them. Steve

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I have 4 daughters (6,7,9 &10) all girls!!! When thier dad leaves from visiting they will NOT listen. I dont understand why they will listen and behave for him and not for me. I’ve tried everything from talking to putting them in thier rooms,I dont want to spank them but I dont know what to do?              HELP Frustrated Mom Louisville,Ky.

Can you and their father work up some ground rules that will stand up in both homes?  Maybe even try to get him to say to the girls when he brings them home, "now be good to your Mom and help her, this isn’t easy on any of us."  Maybe I’m pushing it on that one, ho.   If this situation is new, dad may be using his time to be more carefree, catering to them making it hard for them to come home & tow the line. He shouldn’t be scolded for this, but maybe made aware of how they act when they come home.  This can be worked out as long as the girls’ best interest in agreed upon by both parents.  Wish I had some sage advice, but I’m not too good with words. It makes me think of the times when the folks had our kids and when we got them back the devil came out in all of them.  Mom always said she couldn’t believe that, they were perfect when she had them. We just went to a visitation at Kat’s new school for next year. She’ll be starting Kindergarten.  The school administrator tickled me when he described his daughter.  The teachers tell him how wonderful, kind, loving and helpful his little girl is at school.  Always giving kind words and doing angel-like kind deeds for others, so sweet and cooperative & neat.  He said, there is a totally different child living in his home, one with a demon inside, arguing, messy, fussing. He told the teacher he’s going to build a room onto his house for her so that he can meet this child she tells him about.  Guess I’m trying to say, this happens all the time, but may be more magnified because of your situation.  You are probably just experiencing the girls testing you and thoroughly enjoying it, & maybe not totally aware of the difference being with their Dad & what is happening when they come home.  This sounds perfectly normal, but a challenge for you too, to maintain harmony.  Have you discussed this with the girls.  Have them write down their feelings separately, talk about it & go over them with their Dad.  If the girls won’t cooperate with you and/or their father is not a personality to cooperate, then maybe come counseling should be considered.  Just don’t let hard feelings fester,  keep everything out in the open, use humor & smile.   Good luck, Hugs,d Judy

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This is a tough question…I assume you and their Daddy are separated??? You might want to look into alt.support.step-parents as another source for help…How long has this been going on and when were you separated??  Those are things that would need answering before you could get sound advice…If the split has been recent…perhaps a counselor might be what your girls need…I assume they have issues that need dealing with that involve both you and Dad???JMO —

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I have 4 daughters (6,7,9 &10) all girls!!! When thier dad leaves from visiting they will NOT listen. I dont understand why they will listen and behave for him and not for me. I’ve tried everything from talking to putting them in thier rooms,I dont want to spank them but I dont know what to do?              HELP Frustrated Mom Louisville,Ky.

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Exactly how toxic is valerian?

Well, I don’t have my reference with me at the moment, but it is something that should not be used long-term.  With children, that could be as little as a week.   Valerian is, from my training, seldom good for the type of insmonia amongst otherwise healthy children.

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Andrew, I would like to thank you, I think that you gave good advice on this.

Yes. isn’t it a pleasure to see this kind of post from Andrew. Jan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would recommend using a Passionflower tincture over valerian.  It is not only easier to disguise, but also a more effective remedy with less toxicity.

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is it safe to give children valerian for a few nights to get their sleeping pattern back?how much would you give and how long before bedtime, how could I disguise it

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I would recommend using a Passionflower tincture over valerian.  It is not only easier to disguise, but also a more effective remedy with less toxicity.

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is it safe to give children valerian for a few nights to get their sleeping pattern back?how much would you give and how long before bedtime, how could I disguise it

I don’t mean to pry, but are you sure you really need to give the child anything? Pharmacologic intervention is not always the best way to go when it comes to dealing with discomforts of daily life, though it is certainly called for sometimes. If you feel that this is it, maybe you should have your child examined more thoroughly first, to rule out underlying organic dysfunction. As always, don’t take advise from strangers on the internet. Oh, wait… I’m a stranger on the internet… Well, not even me. On a serious note, I hope your child can adjust. Sleep is good. /mattias (who knows a thing or two about not being able to sleep)

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Andrew, I would like to thank you, I think that you gave good advice on this.

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Exactly how toxic is valerian?

Well, I don’t have my reference with me at the moment, but it is something that should not be used long-term.  With children, that could be as little as a week.   Valerian is, from my training, seldom good for the type of insmonia amongst otherwise healthy children.

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Andrew, I would like to thank you, I think that you gave good advice on this.

Yes. isn’t it a pleasure to see this kind of post from Andrew. Jan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would recommend using a Passionflower tincture over valerian.  It is not only easier to disguise, but also a more effective remedy with less toxicity.

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is it safe to give children valerian for a few nights to get their sleeping pattern back?how much would you give and how long before bedtime, how could I disguise it

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I would recommend using a Passionflower tincture over valerian.  It is not only easier to disguise, but also a more effective remedy with less toxicity.

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is it safe to give children valerian for a few nights to get their sleeping pattern back?how much would you give and how long before bedtime, how could I disguise it

I don’t mean to pry, but are you sure you really need to give the child anything? Pharmacologic intervention is not always the best way to go when it comes to dealing with discomforts of daily life, though it is certainly called for sometimes. If you feel that this is it, maybe you should have your child examined more thoroughly first, to rule out underlying organic dysfunction. As always, don’t take advise from strangers on the internet. Oh, wait… I’m a stranger on the internet… Well, not even me. On a serious note, I hope your child can adjust. Sleep is good. /mattias (who knows a thing or two about not being able to sleep)

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Andrew, I would like to thank you, I think that you gave good advice on this.

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Hear, hear; this bugs me, too.  And I *really* can’t stand it when, on those rare occasions when DH & I do spring for a sitter so we can enjoy a nice dinner or show in peace … we still don’t get it, because someone else brings their child to an event where it’s clearly not appropriate, and the child behaves about as one would expect. And I wish more people would realize exactly what you said:  Not only is it unfair to the hosts or other guests (gee, do I really want to raise my kids with the attitude that I/ we/ they can go wherever and do whatever they please, even if they’re not welcome or it inconveniences others?) … it’s not fair to the children, either.  A 2 year old just isn’t capable of sitting or playing quietly for anywhere close to the duration of an entire wedding ceremony and reception, and if they’re dragged along anyway, they’re probably going to be miserable.  OTOH, if we get a sitter, everyone’s happy:  the HC get their formal wedding; DH & I get an afternoon or evening of adult conversation and entertainment, and DD gets some quality time with her grandma (or whoever). -HB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I wouldn’t call this a hazard, but it is a reality.  And it is the responsibility of a parent  to know that there are times and places that are totally inappropriate for children; for their child’s sake and for the consideration of others present.  When my children were growing up, there were parties(and weddings) where the hosts said it was fine to bring them.  But if a party was going to be adult oriented,with alchohol, smoking,  or a late hour, we either got a sitter or missed the party. Simple.  Same with concerts or shows where it is important to have "quiet" in order to enjoy the entertainment.  It is unfair to both the child who is expected beyond her abilities to sit quietly and it is really unfair to those who want to hear.   It amazes me how many parents tote their kids along to these occasions without a second thought.    Sorry for this long rant, but this is a pet peeve of mine.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – .de, How do you feel about not inviting children to the wedding. In my family there are about 6 kids below 10 who would be on the ‘invitation list’, yet my fiance and I would like a more mature wedding.  It will be in a restaurant with a deep pool as well. Is it an ‘in thing’ to not invite them ? Irene As helpful as we try to be, we are not your family.  If it is not a big deal to your family, or it is not a big deal to you if your family feels hurt, then certainly, leave the children out.  I still remember a letter to Dear Abby about a couple who had left the family children off their guest list, despite major complaints from their family.  They were now sad that they were not invited to Thanksgiving dinner with the family since the family with the children were the hosts of the dinner.  (I always wondered if this was one of my cousins, as inviting children is important on one side of my family tree.) You will remember your wedding, at least through pictures, forever. But family you deal with forever.  If this is your opportunity to get in good with the family this may save you a lifetime of being ignored at Christmas dinner. Cathy Cathy, I really appreciated your thoughtful advice. It would be absurd for closely knit family members to "create" a wedding that excluded children they care about when a small degree of planning can make for wonderful memories. Call me a sucker, but I love multi-generation rituals. That being said, the poster didn’t indicate any particular familial ties or with children in general. In fact choosing a site that indicates "child unfriendly" sorta tells the tale, which is VERY OKAY if that’s what the Bride and Groom wants.

I’m sorry, I read the "In my family there are about 6 kids below 10 who would be on the ‘invitation list’" as the kids being in her family. If the kids are children of friend of the family, or more distant relatives, I wouldn’t worry.  If the parents can’t find reasonable child care, they will skip the wedding, and no one will be hurt. If we are talking about the bride or groom’s nieces and nephews, or children of out of town bridal party members, then is when it gets sticky. Cathy

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Make the decision that’s appropriate to the party.  Therefore, if it’s a fancy, evening party, it might not be appropriate to have children.  Also, if you have to cut your guest list, one way is to cut out the children. It’s not so much a ‘new’ thing as one of those things about which everyone will have an opinion.  If you decide to go without children, don’t feel guilty.  People do go out even after they have children.  They can hire babysitters and, yes, they can travel out of town for a weekend and have someone take care of the children.  Amazingly, the people who were most horrified about us not inviting children were not people who have younger children.  My friends with young children, are either not coming, one of the couple is coming or both are coming and they’re leaving the kids with someone. Make the decision and then don’t back down.  Good luck. — Melissa [The big day is March 18, 2001]

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<snip That being said, the poster didn’t indicate any particular familial ties or with children in general. In fact choosing a site that indicates "child unfriendly" sorta tells the tale, which is VERY OKAY if that’s what the Bride and Groom wants. The invitations, addressed to only adults, worded to be very formal should give most concientious parents the clue to get a babysitter. And if all else fails, and you know that some of your clueless guests (read very close to you) are the sort that may bring a child along, if that’s an issue don’t be shy…set up an arrangement with a great babysitter that can overnite them. Gawd….I would have loved that during my wedding attendance days. I did that with my sister’s wedding and it worked out beautifully.

I did a  very similar thing with our invites.  We only invited the adults in the family.   We knew that there would probably still be a few kiddies turning up, but we hoping on cutting down on the numbers (originally about 1/5 of the guests would be under 5, if we invited them all). So far, with our RSVPs, it has worked beautifully.  The guests with families have compromised. They are bringing their kiddies to the church (which is fine with us), but have organised babysitters for post-church, so we can have an adults only reception.  I think this is about the perfect solution. Cheers Di

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In article <Pine.GSO.4.05.10102032121550.10333- How do you feel about not inviting children to the wedding. In my family there are about 6 kids below 10 who would be on the ‘invitation list’, yet my fiance and I would like a more mature wedding.  It will be in a restaurant with a deep pool as well. Is it an ‘in thing’ to not invite them ? Irene

i’m already fighting this battle, so i’m right there with you. difference is, my fiance and i don’t care for kids, and everyone knows it.  we fully expect to get rsvp’s with kids on them, at which time we will explain in no uncertain terms that kids can come to the party, but not the ceremony or lunch reception, and that if anyone has a problem to see us.  thankfully, there aren’t many couples with young children in our group and of those that do have them 90% know us well enough to leave them at home. If you don’t want children, and you feel strongly about it, then stick to your guns and make sure everyone knows.  And don’t give in.  Or, if you’re willing to compromise, several good suggestions have already been put forth (although i think that you should only arrange for out of town children since locals should already have sitters).  One of the hazards of parenting is that your children are not going to be invited to everything and i don’t see why a bride and groom should be burdened with the additional expense of a babysitter when they don’t want children at the wedding.  Seems alot like punishment, but then i have a skewed view of things. — kyori’

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In article .de, How do you feel about not inviting children to the wedding. In my family there are about 6 kids below 10 who would be on the ‘invitation list’, yet my fiance and I would like a more mature wedding.  It will be in a restaurant with a deep pool as well. Is it an ‘in thing’ to not invite them ?

Guest lists are not about whom it is an "in thing" to invite. Guest lists are about assembling the people you’d LIKE to have present (with a nod to the people your parents would like to have present). If you think that children would not enjoy being guests and/or that having children present would tend to work against the enjoyment of the other guests (and often one has a lot to do with the other), then you are under no obligation to invite children. However, if it’s "tradition" in your family that children are always included in everything, it’s anyone’s guess whether your decision will be greeted with horror and outrage, or with a great sigh of relief that FINALLY there won’t be rugrats running everywhere. If the result is horror and outrage, you have to decide which makes a more irritating and stressful noise: 6 kids for 4 hours at the wedding, or your mother (grandmother, FMIL, aunt, etc.) for the entire wedding planning period. The right answer is the one that leaves you least likely to strangle someone with your veil. Wende

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In article .de, How do you feel about not inviting children to the wedding. In my family there are about 6 kids below 10 who would be on the ‘invitation list’, yet my fiance and I would like a more mature wedding.  It will be in a restaurant with a deep pool as well. Is it an ‘in thing’ to not invite them ? Irene

As helpful as we try to be, we are not your family.  If it is not a big deal to your family, or it is not a big deal to you if your family feels hurt, then certainly, leave the children out.  I still remember a letter to Dear Abby about a couple who had left the family children off their guest list, despite major complaints from their family.  They were now sad that they were not invited to Thanksgiving dinner with the family since the family with the children were the hosts of the dinner.  (I always wondered if this was one of my cousins, as inviting children is important on one side of my family tree.) You will remember your wedding, at least through pictures, forever. But family you deal with forever.  If this is your opportunity to get in good with the family this may save you a lifetime of being ignored at Christmas dinner. Cathy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In article .de, How do you feel about not inviting children to the wedding. In my family there are about 6 kids below 10 who would be on the ‘invitation list’, yet my fiance and I would like a more mature wedding.  It will be in a restaurant with a deep pool as well. Is it an ‘in thing’ to not invite them ? Irene As helpful as we try to be, we are not your family.  If it is not a big deal to your family, or it is not a big deal to you if your family feels hurt, then certainly, leave the children out.  I still remember a letter to Dear Abby about a couple who had left the family children off their guest list, despite major complaints from their family.  They were now sad that they were not invited to Thanksgiving dinner with the family since the family with the children were the hosts of the dinner.  (I always wondered if this was one of my cousins, as inviting children is important on one side of my family tree.) You will remember your wedding, at least through pictures, forever. But family you deal with forever.  If this is your opportunity to get in good with the family this may save you a lifetime of being ignored at Christmas dinner. Cathy

Cathy, I really appreciated your thoughtful advice. It would be absurd for closely knit family members to "create" a wedding that excluded children they care about when a small degree of planning can make for wonderful memories. Call me a sucker, but I love multi-generation rituals. That being said, the poster didn’t indicate any particular familial ties or with children in general. In fact choosing a site that indicates "child unfriendly" sorta tells the tale, which is VERY OKAY if that’s what the Bride and Groom wants. The invitations, addressed to only adults, worded to be very formal should give most concientious parents the clue to get a babysitter. And if all else fails, and you know that some of your clueless guests (read very close to you) are the sort that may bring a child along, if that’s an issue don’t be shy…set up an arrangement with a great babysitter that can overnite them. Gawd….I would have loved that during my wedding attendance days. I did that with my sister’s wedding and it worked out beautifully. Ellen

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restaurant with a deep pool as well.

many of the "Mature" among you will end up in the pool later in the evening. The kids being generally sober and good at swimming will be able to ack as life preservers. — ~wedding-service~ UK http://www.wedding-service.co.uk Licentiate of the Royal Photographic Society

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How do you feel about not inviting children to the wedding.

It’s your wedding therefore it is your choice. It will be in a restaurant with a deep pool as well.

Is swimming going to be a part of your reception? Ron Ng Knows!

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yet my fiance and I would like a more mature wedding.  (snip) Is it an ‘in thing’ to not invite them ?

It doesn’t matter if it’s "in." It you’re wanting a more mature guest list, that’s your choice and perfectly proper. Hope this helps, Noe

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Be sure EVERYONE with the children in that age group understand.  I’m not sure what type of wording to use, or-  maybe include a personal note in their invitation to explain.  You would not believe how many people think "oh, that you might consider hiring a couple of sitters to take care of the munchkins away from the wedding venue….depends on how mature (read that understanding) the parents are…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How do you feel about not inviting children to the wedding. In my family there are about 6 kids below 10 who would be on the ‘invitation list’, yet my fiance and I would like a more mature wedding.  It will be in a restaurant with a deep pool as well. Is it an ‘in thing’ to not invite them ? Irene

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How do you feel about not inviting children to the wedding. In my family there are about 6 kids below 10 who would be on the ‘invitation list’, yet my fiance and I would like a more mature wedding.  It will be in a restaurant with a deep pool as well. Is it an ‘in thing’ to not invite them ?

no children then what r/u gonna eat? :

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How do you feel about not inviting children to the wedding. In my family there are about 6 kids below 10 who would be on the ‘invitation list’, yet

Why not bring a chaperone or nanny. Kids will get crazy jumpin in the pool and could get distracting for the guests. I was at a wedding once when the poor wedding coordinator had to chase them down. Good Luck.

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Why not bring a chaperone or nanny.

It’s not her responsibility if the children’s parents are irresponsible jerks. Ron Ng Knows!

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How do you feel about not inviting children to the wedding. In my family there are about 6 kids below 10 who would be on the ‘invitation list’, yet my fiance and I would like a more mature wedding.  It will be in a restaurant with a deep pool as well. Is it an ‘in thing’ to not invite them ? Irene

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Hear, hear; this bugs me, too.  And I *really* can’t stand it when, on those rare occasions when DH & I do spring for a sitter so we can enjoy a nice dinner or show in peace … we still don’t get it, because someone else brings their child to an event where it’s clearly not appropriate, and the child behaves about as one would expect. And I wish more people would realize exactly what you said:  Not only is it unfair to the hosts or other guests (gee, do I really want to raise my kids with the attitude that I/ we/ they can go wherever and do whatever they please, even if they’re not welcome or it inconveniences others?) … it’s not fair to the children, either.  A 2 year old just isn’t capable of sitting or playing quietly for anywhere close to the duration of an entire wedding ceremony and reception, and if they’re dragged along anyway, they’re probably going to be miserable.  OTOH, if we get a sitter, everyone’s happy:  the HC get their formal wedding; DH & I get an afternoon or evening of adult conversation and entertainment, and DD gets some quality time with her grandma (or whoever). -HB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I wouldn’t call this a hazard, but it is a reality.  And it is the responsibility of a parent  to know that there are times and places that are totally inappropriate for children; for their child’s sake and for the consideration of others present.  When my children were growing up, there were parties(and weddings) where the hosts said it was fine to bring them.  But if a party was going to be adult oriented,with alchohol, smoking,  or a late hour, we either got a sitter or missed the party. Simple.  Same with concerts or shows where it is important to have "quiet" in order to enjoy the entertainment.  It is unfair to both the child who is expected beyond her abilities to sit quietly and it is really unfair to those who want to hear.   It amazes me how many parents tote their kids along to these occasions without a second thought.    Sorry for this long rant, but this is a pet peeve of mine.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – .de, How do you feel about not inviting children to the wedding. In my family there are about 6 kids below 10 who would be on the ‘invitation list’, yet my fiance and I would like a more mature wedding.  It will be in a restaurant with a deep pool as well. Is it an ‘in thing’ to not invite them ? Irene As helpful as we try to be, we are not your family.  If it is not a big deal to your family, or it is not a big deal to you if your family feels hurt, then certainly, leave the children out.  I still remember a letter to Dear Abby about a couple who had left the family children off their guest list, despite major complaints from their family.  They were now sad that they were not invited to Thanksgiving dinner with the family since the family with the children were the hosts of the dinner.  (I always wondered if this was one of my cousins, as inviting children is important on one side of my family tree.) You will remember your wedding, at least through pictures, forever. But family you deal with forever.  If this is your opportunity to get in good with the family this may save you a lifetime of being ignored at Christmas dinner. Cathy Cathy, I really appreciated your thoughtful advice. It would be absurd for closely knit family members to "create" a wedding that excluded children they care about when a small degree of planning can make for wonderful memories. Call me a sucker, but I love multi-generation rituals. That being said, the poster didn’t indicate any particular familial ties or with children in general. In fact choosing a site that indicates "child unfriendly" sorta tells the tale, which is VERY OKAY if that’s what the Bride and Groom wants.

I’m sorry, I read the "In my family there are about 6 kids below 10 who would be on the ‘invitation list’" as the kids being in her family. If the kids are children of friend of the family, or more distant relatives, I wouldn’t worry.  If the parents can’t find reasonable child care, they will skip the wedding, and no one will be hurt. If we are talking about the bride or groom’s nieces and nephews, or children of out of town bridal party members, then is when it gets sticky. Cathy

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Make the decision that’s appropriate to the party.  Therefore, if it’s a fancy, evening party, it might not be appropriate to have children.  Also, if you have to cut your guest list, one way is to cut out the children. It’s not so much a ‘new’ thing as one of those things about which everyone will have an opinion.  If you decide to go without children, don’t feel guilty.  People do go out even after they have children.  They can hire babysitters and, yes, they can travel out of town for a weekend and have someone take care of the children.  Amazingly, the people who were most horrified about us not inviting children were not people who have younger children.  My friends with young children, are either not coming, one of the couple is coming or both are coming and they’re leaving the kids with someone. Make the decision and then don’t back down.  Good luck. — Melissa [The big day is March 18, 2001]

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<snip That being said, the poster didn’t indicate any particular familial ties or with children in general. In fact choosing a site that indicates "child unfriendly" sorta tells the tale, which is VERY OKAY if that’s what the Bride and Groom wants. The invitations, addressed to only adults, worded to be very formal should give most concientious parents the clue to get a babysitter. And if all else fails, and you know that some of your clueless guests (read very close to you) are the sort that may bring a child along, if that’s an issue don’t be shy…set up an arrangement with a great babysitter that can overnite them. Gawd….I would have loved that during my wedding attendance days. I did that with my sister’s wedding and it worked out beautifully.

I did a  very similar thing with our invites.  We only invited the adults in the family.   We knew that there would probably still be a few kiddies turning up, but we hoping on cutting down on the numbers (originally about 1/5 of the guests would be under 5, if we invited them all). So far, with our RSVPs, it has worked beautifully.  The guests with families have compromised. They are bringing their kiddies to the church (which is fine with us), but have organised babysitters for post-church, so we can have an adults only reception.  I think this is about the perfect solution. Cheers Di

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i’m already fighting this battle, so i’m right there with you. difference is, my fiance and i don’t care for kids, and everyone knows it.  we fully expect to get rsvp’s with kids on them, at which time we will explain in no uncertain terms that kids can come to the party, but not the ceremony or lunch reception, and that if anyone has a problem to see us.  thankfully, there aren’t many couples with young children in our group and of those that do have them 90% know us well enough to leave them at home. If you don’t want children, and you feel strongly about it, then stick to your guns and make sure everyone knows.  And don’t give in.  Or, if you’re willing to compromise, several good suggestions have already been put forth (although i think that you should only arrange for out of town children since locals should already have sitters).  One of the hazards of parenting is that your children are not going to be invited to everything and i don’t see why a bride and groom should be burdened with the additional expense of a babysitter when they don’t want children at the wedding.  Seems alot like punishment, but then i have a skewed view of things. — kyori’

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Guest lists are not about whom it is an "in thing" to invite. Guest lists are about assembling the people you’d LIKE to have present (with a nod to the people your parents would like to have present). If you think that children would not enjoy being guests and/or that having children present would tend to work against the enjoyment of the other guests (and often one has a lot to do with the other), then you are under no obligation to invite children. However, if it’s "tradition" in your family that children are always included in everything, it’s anyone’s guess whether your decision will be greeted with horror and outrage, or with a great sigh of relief that FINALLY there won’t be rugrats running everywhere. If the result is horror and outrage, you have to decide which makes a more irritating and stressful noise: 6 kids for 4 hours at the wedding, or your mother (grandmother, FMIL, aunt, etc.) for the entire wedding planning period. The right answer is the one that leaves you least likely to strangle someone with your veil. Wende

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In article .de, How do you feel about not inviting children to the wedding. In my family there are about 6 kids below 10 who would be on the ‘invitation list’, yet my fiance and I would like a more mature wedding.  It will be in a restaurant with a deep pool as well. Is it an ‘in thing’ to not invite them ? Irene

As helpful as we try to be, we are not your family.  If it is not a big deal to your family, or it is not a big deal to you if your family feels hurt, then certainly, leave the children out.  I still remember a letter to Dear Abby about a couple who had left the family children off their guest list, despite major complaints from their family.  They were now sad that they were not invited to Thanksgiving dinner with the family since the family with the children were the hosts of the dinner.  (I always wondered if this was one of my cousins, as inviting children is important on one side of my family tree.) You will remember your wedding, at least through pictures, forever. But family you deal with forever.  If this is your opportunity to get in good with the family this may save you a lifetime of being ignored at Christmas dinner. Cathy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In article .de, How do you feel about not inviting children to the wedding. In my family there are about 6 kids below 10 who would be on the ‘invitation list’, yet my fiance and I would like a more mature wedding.  It will be in a restaurant with a deep pool as well. Is it an ‘in thing’ to not invite them ? Irene As helpful as we try to be, we are not your family.  If it is not a big deal to your family, or it is not a big deal to you if your family feels hurt, then certainly, leave the children out.  I still remember a letter to Dear Abby about a couple who had left the family children off their guest list, despite major complaints from their family.  They were now sad that they were not invited to Thanksgiving dinner with the family since the family with the children were the hosts of the dinner.  (I always wondered if this was one of my cousins, as inviting children is important on one side of my family tree.) You will remember your wedding, at least through pictures, forever. But family you deal with forever.  If this is your opportunity to get in good with the family this may save you a lifetime of being ignored at Christmas dinner. Cathy

Cathy, I really appreciated your thoughtful advice. It would be absurd for closely knit family members to "create" a wedding that excluded children they care about when a small degree of planning can make for wonderful memories. Call me a sucker, but I love multi-generation rituals. That being said, the poster didn’t indicate any particular familial ties or with children in general. In fact choosing a site that indicates "child unfriendly" sorta tells the tale, which is VERY OKAY if that’s what the Bride and Groom wants. The invitations, addressed to only adults, worded to be very formal should give most concientious parents the clue to get a babysitter. And if all else fails, and you know that some of your clueless guests (read very close to you) are the sort that may bring a child along, if that’s an issue don’t be shy…set up an arrangement with a great babysitter that can overnite them. Gawd….I would have loved that during my wedding attendance days. I did that with my sister’s wedding and it worked out beautifully. Ellen

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restaurant with a deep pool as well.

many of the "Mature" among you will end up in the pool later in the evening. The kids being generally sober and good at swimming will be able to ack as life preservers. — ~wedding-service~ UK http://www.wedding-service.co.uk Licentiate of the Royal Photographic Society

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How do you feel about not inviting children to the wedding.

It’s your wedding therefore it is your choice. It will be in a restaurant with a deep pool as well.

Is swimming going to be a part of your reception? Ron Ng Knows!

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yet my fiance and I would like a more mature wedding.  (snip) Is it an ‘in thing’ to not invite them ?

It doesn’t matter if it’s "in." It you’re wanting a more mature guest list, that’s your choice and perfectly proper. Hope this helps, Noe

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Be sure EVERYONE with the children in that age group understand.  I’m not sure what type of wording to use, or-  maybe include a personal note in their invitation to explain.  You would not believe how many people think "oh, that you might consider hiring a couple of sitters to take care of the munchkins away from the wedding venue….depends on how mature (read that understanding) the parents are…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How do you feel about not inviting children to the wedding. In my family there are about 6 kids below 10 who would be on the ‘invitation list’, yet my fiance and I would like a more mature wedding.  It will be in a restaurant with a deep pool as well. Is it an ‘in thing’ to not invite them ? Irene

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How do you feel about not inviting children to the wedding. In my family there are about 6 kids below 10 who would be on the ‘invitation list’, yet my fiance and I would like a more mature wedding.  It will be in a restaurant with a deep pool as well. Is it an ‘in thing’ to not invite them ?

no children then what r/u gonna eat? :

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How do you feel about not inviting children to the wedding. In my family there are about 6 kids below 10 who would be on the ‘invitation list’, yet

Why not bring a chaperone or nanny. Kids will get crazy jumpin in the pool and could get distracting for the guests. I was at a wedding once when the poor wedding coordinator had to chase them down. Good Luck.

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Why not bring a chaperone or nanny.

It’s not her responsibility if the children’s parents are irresponsible jerks. Ron Ng Knows!

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How do you feel about not inviting children to the wedding. In my family there are about 6 kids below 10 who would be on the ‘invitation list’, yet my fiance and I would like a more mature wedding.  It will be in a restaurant with a deep pool as well. Is it an ‘in thing’ to not invite them ? Irene

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Yes, you should be able to only take the medicines during pollen season if that’s the only time you have a problem.  I would start using the Pulmicort about mid-April and continue through June.  And I would use Ventolin as needed.  The rest of the year should be no problem , if you are symptom free as you say.  By the way, you can lead quite a normal life and still use the medicine, too.  That’s what it’s for.  Jim Thanks! However do u think reduced lung capasity is a symptom on its own? OP Haavik

The significent thing about asthma is it is a REVERSIBLE condition. If your lung function, as measured by a peak flow meter, improves 15% with the use of a bronchodilator inhaler(Proventil, Ventolin, etc), this tends to verify the asthma. If lung function doesn’t improve with the bronchodilator inhaler, this tends to indicate you don’t have asthma. You could have small lungs, emphesema(smoker’s disease) or Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease. It’s possible to have some combination of the above & your lung function might improve less than 15%.

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The way an asthmatic uses a peak flow meter is to compare the current reading whith that persons ‘personal best.’  For me my ‘personal’ best is 650, while my current reading (1 hour ago) is 550.

Colin,  650 and 550 what?!!? Regards, Mark

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MR Colin, 650 and 550 what?  An uninformative but true answer is "whatever".  It doesn’t  matter, really.  You use the meter, and compare the numbers to  see if you’re up or down.  What you’re measuring is not info you  need to see the patterns.  The informative answer is "liters per  minute", a measure of "peak expiratory flow", an indicator of  lung function.  I should be about 620 at my height/age,  I average around 540, and have ranged from 330 to 600. -=-

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The way an asthmatic uses a peak flow meter is to compare the current reading whith that persons ‘personal best.’  For me my ‘personal’ best is 650, while my current reading (1 hour ago) is 550. Colin,  650 and 550 what?!!?

The unit measures air flow rates in terms of liters per minute.  Note: this is _not_ measureing the total volume of air moved, just the _rate_ that it was moving during the test. ‘Reply to’ address changed to foil email spammers.

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The unit measures air flow rates in terms of liters per minute.  Note: this is _not_ measureing the total volume of air moved, just the _rate_ that it was moving during the test.

In other words if you breathed out at that level for a whole minute this would be how much air you breathed. Very useful!??!

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The unit measures air flow rates in terms of liters per minute.  Note: this is _not_ measureing the total volume of air moved, just the _rate_ that it was moving during the test. In other words if you breathed out at that level for a whole minute this would be how much air you breathed. Very useful!??!

It is a very useful method of monitoring your asthma and spotting an impending attack before obvious symptoms occur.  Generally, you know what is ‘normal’ for you and when these numbers start dropping this means that your airways are closing up. Due to my particular type of asthma (cough-variant asthma) I use the peak flow meter to avoid ‘false alarms’ when I start coughing for ‘normal’ reasons.  Also, I use it to monitor my condition during an actual attack as by the time I actually start wheezing I need to get medical attention.   ‘Reply to’ address changed to foil email spammers.

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Yes, you should be able to only take the medicines during pollen season if that’s the only time you have a problem.  I would start using the Pulmicort about mid-April and continue through June.  And I would use Ventolin as needed.  The rest of the year should be no problem , if you are symptom free as you say.  By the way, you can lead quite a normal life and still use the medicine, too.  That’s what it’s for.  Jim

Thanks! However do u think reduced lung capasity is a symptom on its own? OP Haavik

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Do u know more about rhe correspondance between PFM results and lung functions?

The way an asthmatic uses a peak flow meter is to compare the current reading whith that persons ‘personal best.’  For me my ‘personal’ best is 650, while my current reading (1 hour ago) is 550.  This puts me at the low end of my ‘green zone’ where my lungs are functioning normally.  Below 520 (80% of 650) I enter my ‘yellow zone’ this would indicate that I will use my albuterol and increase my Azmacort.  If my PFM indicates 50% or less of my personal best, then I use the albuterol, if no improvement in 15 min, I use it once more.  If I still show no improvement (or if I begin to wheeze audibly – for me this means I am in serious trouble) I seek medical attention. Please note:  Everybody is different!  The above was developed by my doctor and myself and _only_ applies to me!   ‘Reply to’ address changed to foil email spammers.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just got it. A few days ago. An asthma diagnosis. A quick test and my Dr. concluded : U have 85% of "normal" lung capasity. Since you have not had asthma, if ‘lung capacity’ (peak flow, volume, displaced volume, ??) is the sole basis for a asthma diagnosis, I’d get a better explaination from your doctor, or a second opinion. My survey of two non-asthmatic healthy adults (know your sample size) showed, one person with a peak flow that matched the charts, the other had a peak floww 30% below the chart.  Peak flow has some, eh, correspondance to lung function.  Since you state you have no breathing problems, 85% might be your norm. I’ve had hay fever before (couple of years in California), and as an asthmatic I can tell you, hay fever ain’t asthma.  It didn’t feel quite the same, and a hay fever shot cleared up the symptoms in a day or so.         Michael J. Lim         "I’m an asthmatic, not a Doctor."

Thanks! Do u know more about rhe correspondance between PFM results and lung functions? OPHaavik

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Just got it. A few days ago. An asthma diagnosis. A quick test and my Dr. concluded : U have 85% of "normal" lung capasity. Everyone’s different.  I used to have about half that, although regular treatment has gotten me pretty close to "normal."

 May I ask: Half what? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Leaving the office I was carrying a prescription for a bag filled with medicine, incl. the Pulmicort Turbo! So whats my problem ? I have no asthmatic symptons on a surface basis (except in may where there is a hell of a lot of pollen here- I`m allercic too), It could be an allergy-triggered problem, but a Dr. would know better than I. I`m working 10 hours a day, running 3 times a week and training a football team, and taking care of a family of 3 small children and a wife. Active ? Yes ! Breathing problems? No! There are Olympic athletes with asthma.  Lots of people say exercise helps quite a bit… So what should be the No 1 priority ? A:Achieve "normal" lung cap.? Or B: Live a normal life, and get rid of symptons when they are there (for me:in may)?. How about C:  Both?  That was my choice, which was preferable to D:  Like B, except untreated it slowly gets worse until it’s hard to treat.

How sure can we be about this prognosis? It’s your call…but my understanding (this may be wrong) is that asthma is different for everyone, but for most people it *gets worse if not treated.*  If you’re not happy with your Dr., you might want to get a second opinion…and if the second Dr. tells you the same thing, read up on the disease.  Treatments are getting better, to the point where I lead a "normal" life (or as normal as a Ph.D. program gets.) Good luck! Scott T.

Thanks for information, here r some follow ups from me! OP Haavik

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Just got it. A few days ago. An asthma diagnosis. A quick test and my Dr. concluded : U have 85% of "normal" lung capasity. Leaving the office I was carrying a prescription for a bag filled with medicine, incl. the Pulmicort Turbo! So whats my problem ? I have no asthmatic symptons on a surface basis (except in may where there is a hell of a lot of pollen here- I`m allercic too), I`m working 10 hours a day, running 3 times a week and training a football team, and taking care of a family of 3 small children and a wife. Active ? Yes ! Breathing problems? No! So what should be the No 1 priority ? A:Achieve "normal" lung cap.? Or B: Live a normal life, and get rid of symptons when they are there (for me:in may)?. OP ("angry")

Ole, I have the following suggestions: (1) Buy a peak flow meter from the pharmacist, they cost about $30 in US. Use it to monitor your lung function. The usual idea is to make sure you are at 80% or higher of your normal lung function. Your medications, especially the cortisone (Pulmicort) dose can be adjusted as necessary, with your doctor’s approval, to keep you above 80% at all times. (2) Buy the book ‘Asthma & Exercise’ by Nancy Hogshead, Henry Holt ISBN 0-8050-1688-0  $9.95 Nancy is an Olympic swim champion with asthma, the book has much advice on how athletes should deal with it, selection of doctors, best medications, etc. The foreward is written by 2 MD’s. The usual way to diagnose asthma is by symptoms; or have you blow in a peak flow meter or spirometer, then inhale a bronchodilator, if your lung function improves by 15-20% you have asthma. Here is some info from http://www.njc.org/MFhtml/APF_MF.html the National Jewish Center in Denver, CO, foremost asthma center in the world. ‘Why Use a Peak Flow Meter? People with asthma cannot always feel the early changes taking place in their airways because these changes often occur gradually. By the time symptoms of asthma develop, a person can be experiencing a 25 percent or greater decrease in lung function. The peak flow meter can serve as an early warning sign and in some cases may show a decrease in lung function one to three days before other respiratory symptoms become evident. This is important because once you know your lung function is declining, you can take steps to prevent an episode. The peak flow numbers, along with early warning signs, can be used to make decisions about asthma treatment. Most asthma experts agree that people with asthma need an objective means of assessing the severity of their condition. Pulmonary function studies are costly and impractical for home use; the peak flow meter provides a good alternative. It is an inexpensive, practical way to measure lung function. The peak flow metermeasures how fast you can blow air out after taking a deep breath. This measurement, which is read as a number, may reflect the amount of obstruction in the airways. Monitoring the peak flow numbers can help you and your clinician assess your lung function and the state of your asthma. It is a valuable number to use in making decisions about the following:     1.Effectiveness of asthma medications.     2.Adding or stopping medication(s).     3.When to seek emergency care.     4.Environmental control measures.     5..Personal assessments.’

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Just got it. A few days ago. An asthma diagnosis. A quick test and my Dr. concluded : U have 85% of "normal" lung capasity.

Since you have not had asthma, if ‘lung capacity’ (peak flow, volume, displaced volume, ??) is the sole basis for a asthma diagnosis, I’d get a better explaination from your doctor, or a second opinion. My survey of two non-asthmatic healthy adults (know your sample size) showed, one person with a peak flow that matched the charts, the other had a peak floww 30% below the chart.  Peak flow has some, eh, correspondance to lung function.  Since you state you have no breathing problems, 85% might be your norm. I’ve had hay fever before (couple of years in California), and as an asthmatic I can tell you, hay fever ain’t asthma.  It didn’t feel quite the same, and a hay fever shot cleared up the symptoms in a day or so.         Michael J. Lim         "I’m an asthmatic, not a Doctor."

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Just got it. A few days ago. An asthma diagnosis. A quick test and my Dr. concluded : U have 85% of "normal" lung capasity.

Everyone’s different.  I used to have about half that, although regular treatment has gotten me pretty close to "normal." Leaving the office I was carrying a prescription for a bag filled with medicine, incl. the Pulmicort Turbo! So whats my problem ? I have no asthmatic symptons on a surface basis (except in may where there is a hell of a lot of pollen here- I`m allercic too),

It could be an allergy-triggered problem, but a Dr. would know better than I. I`m working 10 hours a day, running 3 times a week and training a football team, and taking care of a family of 3 small children and a wife. Active ? Yes ! Breathing problems? No!

There are Olympic athletes with asthma.  Lots of people say exercise helps quite a bit… So what should be the No 1 priority ? A:Achieve "normal" lung cap.? Or B: Live a normal life, and get rid of symptons when they are there (for me:in may)?.

How about C:  Both?  That was my choice, which was preferable to D:  Like B, except untreated it slowly gets worse until it’s hard to treat. It’s your call…but my understanding (this may be wrong) is that asthma is different for everyone, but for most people it *gets worse if not treated.*  If you’re not happy with your Dr., you might want to get a second opinion…and if the second Dr. tells you the same thing, read up on the disease.  Treatments are getting better, to the point where I lead a "normal" life (or as normal as a Ph.D. program gets.) Good luck! Scott T.

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Yes, you should be able to only take the medicines during pollen season if that’s the only time you have a problem.  I would start using the Pulmicort about mid-April and continue through June.  And I would use Ventolin as needed.  The rest of the year should be no problem , if you are symptom free as you say.  By the way, you can lead quite a normal life and still use the medicine, too.  That’s what it’s for.  Jim

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Just got it. A few days ago. An asthma diagnosis. A quick test and my Dr. concluded : U have 85% of "normal" lung capasity. Leaving the office I was carrying a prescription for a bag filled with medicine, incl. the Pulmicort Turbo! So whats my problem ? I have no asthmatic symptons on a surface basis (except in may where there is a hell of a lot of pollen here- I`m allercic too), I`m working 10 hours a day, running 3 times a week and training a football team, and taking care of a family of 3 small children and a wife. Active ? Yes ! Breathing problems? No! So what should be the No 1 priority ? A:Achieve "normal" lung cap.? Or B: Live a normal life, and get rid of symptons when they are there (for me:in may)?.

I think that you need to sit down with your Dr. and have him explain the hows and whys of your diagnosis and treatment.  My doctor is very good about telling me why I am on a certain medication and what the expected ebnefits are.  If your doctor is unable or unwilling to explain things to your satification then you should find a new doctor. If you have seasonal asthma, then now may be the time to start your preventative medicnes.  The inhaled steroids (pulmicort) can take up to six weeks to take effect.  It sounds to me like the Dr. is trying to prevent you from having asthma symptoms during your allergy season. Also.  The primary goal of an asthma treatment program is for you to live your normal life.  By this they mean controling the asthma so that it has a minimal effect on your lifestyle.  Personally, I will (and do) take the medicnes over an asthma attack anyday. OP ("angry")

I understand.  It is a rather devastating occurance when you are told that you have asthma.   ‘Reply to’ address changed to foil email spammers.

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Just got it. A few days ago. An asthma diagnosis. A quick test and my Dr. concluded : U have 85% of "normal" lung capasity. Leaving the office I was carrying a prescription for a bag filled with medicine, incl. the Pulmicort Turbo! So whats my problem ? I have no asthmatic symptons on a surface basis (except in may where there is a hell of a lot of pollen here- I`m allercic too), I`m working 10 hours a day, running 3 times a week and training a football team, and taking care of a family of 3 small children and a wife. Active ? Yes ! Breathing problems? No! So what should be the No 1 priority ? A:Achieve "normal" lung cap.? Or B: Live a normal life, and get rid of symptons when they are there (for me:in may)?. OP ("angry")

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If you get any response on your request regarding habit coughing, could you please let me know.  I have had the same problem with coughing, weird sounds coming from my lungs,etc etc etc, yet my doctor said it was bronchospasm. (probably starting from a viral chest infection)….  All these inhalers antibiotics etc etc etc are driving me nuts too. I don’t cough at all at home.  

That’s interesting–where exactly do you suffer from the coughing? At work? I also had a severe sinus infection too and my temp got up to 103.  All I want to know is what the heck is going on and my doctor says there is nothing else they can do for me!  She wouldn’t even refer me to a specialist.  

Don’t tell me, let me guess:  your health plan is one of those "managed care" things, right? If so, then you may be forced to do what I did.  I changed health plans for just that reason.  Until I was able to change health plans (I’m only allowed to do this once each August), I found that showing my Visa or MasterCard got me visits to any specialists I wanted.  If you’re willing to pay *cash*, any doctor will be willing to see you. It’s your health, which is worth any amount of money. There are so many causes of the symptoms you are describing that you need to see at least an ENT and a pulmonologist.  You should ask about a CAT scan of your sinuses and an X-ray of your lungs, in addition to allergy tests. In the end, though, I am sorry to have to tell you that there are lots of folks who are forced to live with chronic respiratory problems on and off.  Folks with allergies, asthma, chronic sinusitis, etc., have to endure such conditions for years, sometimes for the rest of their lives.  And there is such a thing as "sick building syndrome"–folks may be unlucky enough to work in a building whose contaminants make them sick.  However, good treatment can often manage such conditions safely, even if they are chronic. — Steven D. Litvintchouk                  "There seems to be no mainframe Disclaimer:  As far as I am aware,       in which we’re living." the opinions expressed herein                 — President Bill Clinton are not those of my employer.

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Two days ago we had an interesting incident.  My sons scout troop visited the fire station.  There was a noticible smell of oil and gas in the fire house.   About five minutes after we arrived home he said he felt sick, He got very upset and said he felt like he was on fire.  His ears and face were bright red. He started to cry then started coughing and throwing up.  I gave him ventolin and antihistimine.  Within ten minutes he was feeling o.k. and the redness went away after about 20 minutes. I’ll call the allergist tomorrow about this incident.  Maybe my son is allergic to certain fumes.  I hope this will provide some much needed answers about the source of my sons cough.

This is getting off the habit cough topic, so let me apologize first. But, when it comes to gas smells, I can say, me too. Gas stations make me queasy in the head and stomach.  Sitting in traffic gives me a headache.  Garages give me headaches, upset stomaches, and a general feeling of being ill.  I was diagnosed at one time as being allergic to petroleum products/formaldhyde.   Regardless of the reason as to why I hate gas fumes – I tend to avoid them when possible because they make me feel crappy.  I’d be interested in hearing what the doc thinks about what happened with your son. — Kathie Sindt

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   says…  [I won't waste everyone's time by quoting everything again...snip]  I’ve always had respiratory problems of one type or another for as long as  I can remember… once common trigger was alergies.    The one that I actually pay more attention to now is sinus infections.  Whenever I develop nasal congestion, and the other signs and symptoms of a  sinus infection I begin monitoring my peak flow much more carefully.  I  almost always see a marked decrease (from 650-700 down to 450-550).  I  have discussed this with my pulm. specialist and she gives me a little  leeway on my dosages during such times…so that I can increase them  _slightly_.  Both she and I want to avoid oral steroids as much as  possible…..

And if you are prone to sinusitis, you may be able to prevent some of them using a combination of    - daily use of a steroid nasal inhaler to reduce the      inflamation that can lead to a sinusitis    - use of oral decongestants at the onset of and throughout a      respiratory virus    - increasing intake of non-diuretic fluids, especially during      respiratory viruses    - use of sterile saline nasal irrigation during respiratory viruses. — Mark Feblowitz,   GTE Laboratories Inc., 40 Sylvan Rd.  Waltham, MA 02254

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[I won't waste everyone's time by quoting everything again...snip] I’ve always had respiratory problems of one type or another for as long as I can remember… once common trigger was alergies.   The one that I actually pay more attention to now is sinus infections. Whenever I develop nasal congestion, and the other signs and symptoms of a sinus infection I begin monitoring my peak flow much more carefully.  I almost always see a marked decrease (from 650-700 down to 450-550).  I have discussed this with my pulm. specialist and she gives me a little leeway on my dosages during such times…so that I can increase them _slightly_.  Both she and I want to avoid oral steroids as much as possible….. my 2 cents, -Chris — Binghamton LGBU P.O. Box 2000 Binghamton, NY 13902-2000           All contacts are confidential (607) 777-2202 http://www.io.com/~gomer/lgbu.html +++   Minds are like parachutes; they only work when open.       +++

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says… All I want to know is what the heck is going on and my doctor says there is nothing else they can do for me!  She wouldn’t even refer me to a specialist.  Peggy Yates

Peggy, if your doc says there’s nothing else she can do for you,it seems to me that it’s time to see another doc. Even if you are in a managed care situation, you should be able to find another primary care physician who can either treat you, or who will refer you to a pulmonologist.   Sometimes you gotta keep pushing. Best of luck, Steve

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Habit cough (otherwise known as psychogenic cough) is a condition  that is not asthma, although some people that have it can also have  some mild obstruction.  Symptoms of habit cough are: harsh, deep,  loud, sometimes honking, very disruptive coughing, that is persistent.  The age varies, but it is seen more often in young children up to  adolescence.  The cough is so disruptive that children are unable  to attend school  The cough typically stops at night during sleep.  Asthma treatment doesn’t usually work at all, (this is not asthma)  and most undergo a complete workup for lung disease, up to and  including bronchoscopy, to rule out any serious illness.  The cough  is not accompanied by fever, or other signs of illness.    Treatment for this condition is unusual, but often effective.  If you  think that your child has this condition, please e-mail me directly  and I can refer you to some articles that should be available to you  that discuss this condition.

For years, my uncontrolled coughing in school – especially on the playground and in gym – was diagnosed as "a nervous cough". Now as an adult I have mild-to-moderate asthma and two asthmatic children. I now know that as a child I had allergic and exercise-induced asthma, and that my "chronic bronchitis" was also undiagnosed asthma. I was never able to perform in sports, which for a boy growing up in the ’60s was a severe social handicap. At one point my pediatrician gave me an inhaler that helped a great deal, but the label of "nervous cough" stuck, and my parents refused to renew my prescription. Before any parent settles on a diagnosis such as this, be sure that it *isn’t* asthma and that you’re not suffering from a form of denial. Get a complete asthma and allergy workup and if it is inconclusive and the symptoms persist, further testing and investigation may be necessary. — Mark Feblowitz,   GTE Laboratories Inc., 40 Sylvan Rd.  Waltham, MA 02254

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says… If you get any response on your request regarding habit coughing, could you please let me know.  I have had the same problem with coughing, weird sounds coming from my lungs,etc etc etc, yet my doctor said it was bronchospasm. (probably starting from a viral chest infection)….  All these inhalers antibiotics etc etc etc are driving me nuts too. I don’t cough at all at home.  I also had a severe sinus infection too and my temp got up to 103.  All I want to know is what the heck is going on and my doctor says there is nothing else they can do for me!  She wouldn’t even refer me to a specialist.  Peggy Yates

Peggy: My son developed a dry cough last July. The cough gets worse when he is active, but disappears when he sleeps. We went to an allergist who suspected seasonal allergies and first put him on two allergy medicines to no avail. Next he did allergy testing which indicated an allergy to cats (we don’t have a cat).  Results of a pulmonary function test were inconclusive. The initial test showed a mild blockage in the small bronchials.  My son was given a breathing treatment and the test was repeated.  The results were worse.  The doctor suspected asthma and put my son on ventolin. There was a slight improvement.  Tilade was added to the list of medicines.About the same time, we were refered to an E.N.T. who put my son on antibiotics. This was October.  The cough disappeared for three months. Was it the tilade, change of seasons or antibiotics?  The end of January, the cough returned.  The allergist refered us to a pediatric pulmonologist who did another pulmonary function test,chest and sinus x rays. The results of the pulmonary function test were inconclusive (just like the first one) chest x rays showed a slight thickening (indicitive of asthma) and sinus x rays showed a sinus infection. Azmacort and antibiotics join the list of medicines.  My son has been on the antibiotics   and azmacort for 8 days. Today he seems to be coughing a bit less. (Is it my imagination?)  My gut feeling is that there may be many factors contributing to the cough(allergy, asthma,sinus infection and psychosomatic component) I am concerned because my son is on so many medications,without any firm answers.  I called a researcher at National Jewish who had published an article on habbit cough. She refered me to an allergist near me who is a fellow of the hospital. I am bringing my son to him in a week for a second opinion. Maybe we will get more answers or at least peace of mind that my son has received good and appropriate medical care up until now. Two days ago we had an interesting incident.  My sons scout troop visited the fire station.  There was a noticible smell of oil and gas in the fire house.   About five minutes after we arrived home he said he felt sick, He got very upset and said he felt like he was on fire.  His ears and face were bright red. He started to cry then started coughing and throwing up.  I gave him ventolin and antihistimine.  Within ten minutes he was feeling o.k. and the redness went away after about 20 minutes. I’ll call the allergist tomorrow about this incident.  Maybe my son is allergic to certain fumes.  I hope this will provide some much needed answers about the source of my sons cough. If anyone has experienced similar problems or has any info that may shed some light on what is going on with my son, please respond. Thanks Amy Berger

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Does anyone have information on habbit cough?  My son developed a chronic cough last summer.  It seemed to worsen when he played outside.  When he was asleep, he didn’t cough at all.  We went to an allergist who started out by giving him allergy medicines.  They didn’t work.  A pulmonary function test showed that there was a mild obstruction in his airway, but when he was given a breathing treatment and the test was repeated he did worse.  My son was put on asthma medicines.  There seemed to be a minimal improvement in the cough.   About October, my son was put on antibiotics for an ear infection.  He started using tilade about the same time.  His cough went away.  The end of Feb. his cough returned.  The allergist refered my son to a pediatric pulmonologist who repeated the pulmonary function test and did chest and sinus x rays. The results of the pulmonary function test were inconclusive.  The initial test indicated that there was a mild obstruction in the small airways but the results of a repeat test after the breathing treatment was worse. The pulmonologist said she saw a thickening in the lungs(indicating asthma).  My pediatrician feels that this particular pulmonologist is overagressive when she reads x-rays.  He said that there were several times that he did not agree with her conclusion. The sinus x-rays were done at a different facillity and read by a radiologist.  My son is now on antibiotics for a sinus infection that showed up on the x rays.  My son is on vancenese, asthmacort(for 7 days) and tilade.  He still is coughing away.  The fact that my son does not cough at all when he is asleep, he has not responded to the asthma meds(6 weeks this time) and the pulmonary function test results were inconclusive are making me suspect habbit cough. On the other hand the chest x rays indicate asthma (MAYBE) his cough seems to get worse when he plays outside, and the initial pulmonary function test indicated that there was an obstruction.  I’m not sure where to go now. Does anyone have any information that might help me? Thanks Amy

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] Does anyone have information on habbit cough?  My son developed a chronic ] cough last summer. Same here, since June 1995, and I’m 55. Has your son been checked for sinusitis? The drainage from the back of the nose into the throat can cause the cough, I’m told. That seems to be my case, although I bet my idiotic HMO is going to wait *another* year before letting me see a specialist. — Jan B. Schipmolder

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If you get any response on your request regarding habit coughing, could you please let me know.  I have had the same problem with coughing, weird sounds coming from my lungs,etc etc etc, yet my doctor said it was bronchospasm. (probably starting from a viral chest infection)….  All these inhalers antibiotics etc etc etc are driving me nuts too. I don’t cough at all at home.  I also had a severe sinus infection too and my temp got up to 103.  All I want to know is what the heck is going on and my doctor says there is nothing else they can do for me!  She wouldn’t even refer me to a specialist.  Peggy Yates

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] my doctor says there is nothing else they can do for me!  She wouldn’t ] even refer me to a specialist. Of course not. These days, a GP gets a bonus each time they don’t send you to a specialist. The whole idea of a doctor who is supposed to make you better has gone out the window. — Jan B. Schipmolder

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Hello, Habit cough (otherwise known as psychogenic cough) is a condition that is not asthma, although some people that have it can also have some mild obstruction.  Symptoms of habit cough are: harsh, deep, loud, sometimes honking, very disruptive coughing, that is persistent. The age varies, but it is seen more often in young children up to adolescence.  The cough is so disruptive that children are unable to attend school  The cough typically stops at night during sleep. Asthma treatment doesn’t usually work at all, (this is not asthma) and most undergo a complete workup for lung disease, up to and including bronchoscopy, to rule out any serious illness.  The cough is not accompanied by fever, or other signs of illness.   Treatment for this condition is unusual, but often effective.  If you think that your child has this condition, please e-mail me directly and I can refer you to some articles that should be available to you that discuss this condition. Joyce Heckler

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If you get any response on your request regarding habit coughing, could you please let me know.  I have had the same problem with coughing, weird sounds coming from my lungs,etc etc etc, yet my doctor said it was bronchospasm. (probably starting from a viral chest infection)…. All these inhalers antibiotics etc etc etc are driving me nuts too. I don’t cough at all at home.  

Peggy: The fact that you do not cough at all at home should send up all kinds of signals to both you and to your doctor.   It sounds like documentation might be your key here.  On an hourly basis note where you are, environmental conditions (inside which building, humidity, etc.) and whether you are coughing. (When I was in grad school, the dust from the heating ducts would make me cough, my nose run, and eyes itch and water for the entire 3-hour class.  So I would double up and more on anti-allergy meds on class night.) Obviously do not get up in the middle of the night to record your coughing -or lack of it at home.   Be sure to record what you eat as well, and when the onset of coughing and other symptoms occurs – even if it is not on the hour. If it appears that you have this coughing response in the same location, or if only on humid, or high pollen count days for example, your doctor may have more to go on. Try to notice a pattern, for example that it starts 1 hour after drinking coffee each morning.  On some mornings you may still be at home and begin coughing a little. I’m not saying you are allergic to coffee, but just using it as an example. How were your IGe and IGg results? Any indication of allergy? I know it may seem like a lot, but it will give your doctor facts to go on to refer you to an allergist or other appropriate specialist – to get you to stop coughing.  (And probably your back to stop hurting.) Best wishes for an easy and early proper diagnosis. Mary-Pat

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Talk to your physician, or call the respiratory care dept. at the hospital, about peak flow monitoring using a simple device called a peak flow monitor. This device measures the peak flow rate (PFR) and a drop in this PFR is a first sign of an asthma episode. It can help individuals manage their asthma. It is also important that you identify the triggers that set off an asthma episode, i.e. allergies, excercise, cold, pollens, etc.

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    Although I have been assured by her doctors that these medications     which she may have to take for many years are safe (the cortisone     inhalation is minimal) – I do have some concerns. These medications     seem to be effective in controlling her asthma but I wonder if there     is another way that is less intrusive. I’ve started to explore non-     traditional approaches to asthma treatment – approaches that might     focus on some of the causes of asthma or on strengthening her system     so that she is more resistant to the triggers that cause asthma. Removing the "intrusive" can lead to a need for more intrusive oral steroids. Not a good solution.     I wonder what kinds of experiences people have had with non-traditional     medicine in treating asthma – naturopaths, homeopaths, actupuncture, etc     How do you find your way in the maze of these alternative treatments to     someone serious with effective approaches. A few weeks ago we took my     daughter to a homeopathic doctor who had been highly recommended by     several people. We liked this man who asked many unusual questions in     his effort to understand how my daughter experiences her physical,     emotional, sensory world. He couldn’t say anything conclusive about her     condition but he did recommend a dose of homepathic medicine and     suggested we come back in a months’s time.         When asked what he thought was the cause of my daughter’s asthma, the     homepathic doctor had some interesting things to say. He suggested that     her asthma had brought on by the suppression of excema which she had as     a younger child. Her excema had been successfully treated by cortisone     cream. Suppressing the excema caused the ‘disease’ to go inside her     body creating a more serious ailment – asthma. The goal of the homeo-     pathic treatment would be to reverse the process – to get rid of the     asthma by bringing back the excema – a less serious and less life     threatening infliction than asthma. The goal then would be to treat the     excema. Holy cow – that’s quite a theory. I’d like to see the scientific evidence for this drivel. Eczema and asthma are atopic disorders, as are allergies. A truly atopic child has what is referred to as the atopic triad – that is, asthma, eczema, and allergies – at some time in their childhood. Our son started with eczema, triggered mostly by multiple food allergies, and then went on to develop other allergies, rhinitis, and asthma. They are all related; an allergic reaction can trigger an asthma episode and an eczema flare. We have asthma and allergies on both sides of the family, which makes our children at greater risk of inheriting such traits. Adn that’s what happened – in spades.         I find this analysis of asthma very interesting – and very disturbing.     The suggestion is that asthma is a medically induced condition. By     suppressing excema with cortisone, doctors, by the treatment create an     even more troublesome condition which needs additional treatment of     corisone to controll. And by suppressing the asthma – what is then     being created in the future.     Yeah – and belief in some of these theories can force shallow reasoning into a systemic condition! sheesh! Read up on eczema, asthma, and allergies. Look into your child’s food sensitivies, especially, and then form your own impressions. Get tests done, adjust the environment and diet where possible (and safe).  By no means should you replace conventional treatment for potentially life-threatening alternative treatments. One of my worst asthma episodes was triggered by an herbal tea that was supposed to be soothing to my airways! Good luck Mark — Mark Feblowitz,   GTE Laboratories Inc., 40 Sylvan Rd.  Waltham, MA 02254

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Although I have been assured by her doctors that these medications which she may have to take for many years are safe (the cortisone inhalation is minimal) – I do have some concerns. These medications seem to be effective in controlling her asthma but I wonder if there is another way that is less intrusive. I’ve started to explore non- traditional approaches to asthma treatment – approaches that might focus on some of the causes of asthma or on strengthening her system so that she is more resistant to the triggers that cause asthma.

(stuff deleted) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wonder what kinds of experiences people have had with non-traditional medicine in treating asthma – naturopaths, homeopaths, actupuncture, etc How do you find your way in the maze of these alternative treatments to someone serious with effective approaches. A few weeks ago we took my daughter to a homeopathic doctor who had been highly recommended by several people. We liked this man who asked many unusual questions in his effort to understand how my daughter experiences her physical, emotional, sensory world. He couldn’t say anything conclusive about her condition but he did recommend a dose of homepathic medicine and suggested we come back in a months’s time. When asked what he thought was the cause of my daughter’s asthma, the homepathic doctor had some interesting things to say. He suggested that her asthma had brought on by the suppression of excema which she had as a younger child. Her excema had been successfully treated by cortisone cream. Suppressing the excema caused the ‘disease’ to go inside her body creating a more serious ailment – asthma. The goal of the homeo- pathic treatment would be to reverse the process – to get rid of the asthma by bringing back the excema – a less serious and less life threatening infliction than asthma. The goal then would be to treat the excema.

(more stuff deleted) Excuse me, I do try to keep an open mind about homeopathic remedies, but what a lot of old rot.  Don’t you think its just a teensy weensy bit more likely that the genes which predispose one to eczema and asthma are linked???? I find this analysis of asthma very interesting – and very disturbing. The suggestion is that asthma is a medically induced condition. By suppressing excema with cortisone, doctors, by the treatment create an even more troublesome condition which needs additional treatment of corisone to controll. And by suppressing the asthma – what is then being created in the future.

And what about all those kids who had eczema , were not treated , and still developed asthma??? How do they fit into this hypothesis? Good luck with the treatment anyway. Steph Webb

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