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Hello Felix, I read all of your rather dark autobiography, and it was no trouble at all. Your prose is eloquent, in spite of its discouraged and bitter tone, and I was further impressed when you said that English is your second language. You and I share a love of solitary pursuits, appreciation of the same music, interests in nature’s smaller species, and we share a history of hepatitis C and liver damage. Here our similarity ends: I have had success with treatment; you have not. I believe that I contracted hepatitis c in 1982 (maybe before you were even conceived!), at 28, and spent most of the next 20+ years being told that my debilitating symptoms were "all in my head," because no doctor thought to test for hep c. So, I well know the depression, anger, frustration and despair that the illness causes. I understand that, in Oriental medicine, the liver is considered to be the source of emotion, rather than the western world’s saying that it is the heart, and this makes far more sense to me. It seems that your disease progressed unusually rapidly, if you are in end-stage after only ten years, but then HCV is unpredictible. What are your options for treatment at this point, or are you looking at transplant? Has you discussed interferon maintenance therapy? At this point I would like to point out that everyone here on alt.support.hepatitis-c has or has had hepatitis c. Some of us have had success, others have not. Some are in a far worse situation that yours. This place is a good resource for medical information, for emotional support and for friendship based on the interest in hep c that we all share. You’ll see. I really liked the way you ended your post, with the advice to others about cherishing the simple pleasures in life. I hope that you can make more of an effort to do the same. Life is short and you’re a long time dead. Too long not to look, right now, and discover a wonderful insect to admire in some corner of your world. I wish you the best, and sincerely hope that we will hear more from you. Waterspider "felixxx" <sxslhf2…@yahoo.com.cn> wrote in message

news:1b06b1233daa9b3bd5032d1a50098ce4@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I am a cirrhosis of liver (caused by HCV, ended stage) sufferer, Chinese, > at the age of 24, this is a brief autobiography of me. > When I was young, I resided in countryside, and my best friend is the > nature. Maybe merely due to my suffering from bronchial asthma which made > me weak and susceptible, or maybe truly like what Nietzsche said, "This > world-is a portal to numerous deserts of dreariness and desolation." I > spent most of my time isolated from other children, drawing pictures, > folding paper, collecting insects, which is my favorite. I love the vivid, > spectacular, and mysterious nature. At that time, nature hadn’t been > overly > exploited and seriously destructed. In the woods, at the fields, by the > rivers’ banks, thousands species of insects and other creatures formed a > wondrous realm that engrossed me enormously. And, the tropic rain-forests > of Amazon drainage area which I acquainted with from TV programs had > always been a magnet to my young heart. The determination of being an > entomologist in the future had firmly rooted in my young heart. Even > underwent the rigescent and insipid school education which resembled > nothing but a task that meant to mould individuals into machines of trite > discipline, I steered towards my dream. > When I was nine-year-old once in hospital inasmuch suffered pneumonia, a > disaster almost perish my life. A medical blunder made by an inexperienced > intern caused severe allergic-reaction to me. Heart-failure struck me into > stupor, in a state of which I fought against Dead for 6 days. Though I > escaped the narrow squeak, from that time on, an inexpressible trepidation > of sudden death had been gleamingly lingering in the depth of my soul. > One year later, another calamity befell on me. My mother deceased of > intracerebral hemorrhage. Once again, the urgent treatment had been > delayed by an inexperienced physician whose diagnosis was another minor > ailment. I was mercilessly thrown into an abyss of despair and anguish, > which tremendously strengthened the terror that had always been haunting > me. Death, the impalpable and unpredictable death! Some people’s lives are > no more than wither leaves in a wintry tree at the mercy of a raging wind. > It was just the same time I began to remodel my long-formed views and > attitudes towards doctors. > My father had to work two jobs to afford the whole family. For me, Most of > my leisure time had to be taken up by cooking, washing clothes, > cleaning..But I never abandoned my dream even though I often did felt > helpless and precarious. >  I loathed school life: tedious, weariful atmosphere of classes; > endlessly tiresome , compulsive homework; barbaric punishments from some > teachers; mockery and bullying from some ill-natured classmates. > Especially after my only pal’s death of Hodgkin disease, I found it almost > meaningless intolerable. But there was no option, no escape. Silently, I > bore this destiny, as sung by Tracy Chapman in one of her songs "I sit and > rot behind these padded-walls, hoping one day they would fall, and set me > free." However, it wasn’t until years later did I fully comprehend the > meaning of the "fall" here for me. > At the second semester of 11 Grade when I was 17, my father, who had been > working exceedingly toilsome, finally knocked down by heart disease. I was > awaken by cold, cruel reality-unfathomed fate, durative penury, a family > full of tribulations, a victim of traditional education-mode .I had to > plan myself a future career which would be more practical and > bread-and-butter. My mother’s and friend’s tragical death, my father’s > suffering, the disbelief in doctors and the insecurity and dread I’d > desperately tried to vanquish, at length rendered me to make up my mind to > be a doctor. The sweet dreams, the almost unshakable ambition, which had > accompanied me for so many springs and falls, finally shattered into > nothingness. I felt the exact sorrow tinted by self-derision in Allen > Poe’s Dreams".I have been happy, though in a dream/ I have been happy, and > I love the theme/ ..which brings/ to a delirious eye more lovely > things/.than young Hope in his sunniest hour has known." > At the same period, the lethal disease, the fiendish, had begun to display > his domineer. I suffered indigestion, frequent insomnia, fatigue, > dizziness, etc. But because assumedly attributing those malaises to the > heavy load of study, endless examinations and dreary daily trifles and > sundries, I didn’t give it too much thought. Once or two when it got > serious, I had to go to see the doctors. Without suggesting any farther > examinations, they concluded the diagnoses which varied from GERD to > colitis, and prescribed me various expensive medicines. (These "panaceas", > which are only of allopathy and had nothing to with treating hepatitis C, > are no more than means for many doctors to squeeze banknotes. I gradually > saw through all of this afterward.) Being unable to afford the expenses, I > just took some cheap types when urgent and kept on undergoing it with the > random and naive idea that the condition wouldn’t get worse for I was > young. > Most of my relaxation and recreations had been devoted to the painstaking > study. I must succeed if I was desirous to completely transform the > situation of my life. Putting all my eggs in one basket, I was prepared to > lay myself out in order to done well in the last > National-College-Entrance-Exam. (In China, there’s only one opportunity > per year. And the failed ones who resume Grade 12 will encounter certain > disadvantages. ) Finally, I got a relatively high mark, and was > matriculated by a medical college. > My father’s illness didn’t deteriorate at that time, and I had achieved my > short-term goal. Life seemed to appear looking up. In the campus, I kept > on > my industrious study. Having been resolved, I endeavored to actualize a > brilliant future, to fulfill self-value, which would be the compensation > for my perished dreams. My efforts were soon paid-I won a first-class > scholarship, and with the pay of my part-time jobs, I could manage to > continue my clinic-medicine studies. However, I was then too blindfoldly > optimistic to apperceive T. Hardy’s apothegms in his Mayor of Casterbidge > and Jude obscure. > Most of the time, I was alone. It’s by no means that I was excessively > arrogant, or favored solitude particularly. Deep down this lonely soul of > mine, an inaudible voice buried with emptiness and distress had never > ceased its helpless cry for an intimate company. However, the circumstance > I was in made it almost impossible to find true friendship. Bronchial > asthma and arthritis had always kept me from sports; I enriched my life, > gained my jocundities from reading novels and short stories, enjoying > music of L. McKennitt, J. Mitchell, P. Simon, B. Joel, etc, while others > were fond of soccer, surfing the Net, listening to pop, chatting > monotonously. It’s an unalterable law that people loathe "Different > Persons". Indeed I Wasn’t granted the prerogative to make critiques and > judgment, but it is violently against my nature to compel myself to suit > favor what are so-called "popular". I had no least intention of joining > their chatting about network games which are time-squandering and > addiction-inducing; it was rather immature-minded for majority of them to > tirelessly admire certain superficial movie-stars; I detested to cheat in > exams, but it had been accepted by most undergraduates as a reproachless > mean of passing exams or getting high marks.. All of which rendered me > unsocial, odd, and even annoying in other’s eyes. It’s a fact that on most > occasions in such a complicated, inexplicable and absurd

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I am a cirrhosis of liver (caused by HCV, ended stage) sufferer, Chinese, at the age of 24, this is a brief autobiography of me. When I was young, I resided in countryside, and my best friend is the nature. Maybe merely due to my suffering from bronchial asthma which made me weak and susceptible, or maybe truly like what Nietzsche said,

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The cannabis-laden holy oil used by Jesus to heal was banned by the Jews several hundred years prior to Jesus. Does anyone know why the Jews banned the holy oil? What’s the citation? I’m sure it must talk about holy oil becoming forbidden in the OT somewhere, but I’m not sure of the passage. It would be pretty interesting to find out why the Jews decided to ban such a holy oil.

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The cannabis-laden holy oil used by Jesus to heal was banned by the Jews several hundred years prior to Jesus. Does anyone know why the Jews banned the holy oil? What’s the citation? I’m sure it must talk about holy oil becoming forbidden in the OT somewhere, but I’m not sure of the passage. It would be pretty interesting to find out why the Jews decided to ban such a holy oil.

Because their young upon using this oil became lazy bums, started collectives and didn’t like waging war on neighbouring cultures? — AA #769 ICQ: 1645566 Yahoo: Ichimusai AOL: Ichimusai1972 MSN: Ichimusai Kazegusuri to rusuban denwa cat food to oki tegami sayonara mo iwanai no!

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,869273,00.html Jesus ‘healed using cannabis’    Considering Cannabis does not heal but is in the category if snake oil mixtures of alcohol and opium I do not see where this article is going.

  IAN: I can’t find any evidence that medical scientists   put cannabis "in the category of snake oil mixtures."   Here are some reviews found via PubMed.com: Pharmacology & therapeutics,  2001 Apr;90(1):45-60 The endocannabinoid nervous system: unique opportunities for therapeutic intervention. Porter AC, Felder CC. Neuroscience Division, Drop 0510, Lilly Research Laboratories, Indianapolis, IN 46285, USA. The active principle in marijuana, Delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), has been shown to have wide therapeutic application for a number of important medical conditions, including pain, anxiety, glaucoma, nausea, emesis, muscle spasms, and wasting diseases. Delta(9)-THC binds to and activates two known cannabinoid receptors found in mammalian tissue, CB1 and CB2. The development of cannabinoid-based therapeutics has focused predominantly on the CB1 receptor, based on its predominant and abundant localization in the CNS. Like most of the known cannabinoid agonists, Delta(9)-THC is lipophilic and relatively nonselective for both receptor subtypes. Clinical studies show that nonselective cannabinoid agonists are relatively safe and provide therapeutic efficacy, but that they also induce psychotropic side effects. Recent studies of the biosynthesis, release, transport, and disposition of anandamide are beginning to provide an understanding of the role of lipid transmitters in the CNS. This review attempts to link current understanding of the basic biology of the endocannabinoid nervous system to novel opportunities for therapeutic intervention. This new knowledge may facilitate the development of cannabinoid receptor-targeted therapeutics with improved safety and efficacy profiles. PMID: 11448725 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&… Drugs  2000 Dec;60(6):1303-14 Cannabinoids in clinical practice. Williamson EM, Evans FJ. Centre for Pharmacognosy, The School of Pharmacy, University of London, England. Cannabis has a potential for clinical use often obscured by unreliable and purely anecdotal reports. The most important natural cannabinoid is the psychoactive tetrahydrocannabinol (delta9-THC); others include cannabidiol (CBD) and cannabigerol (CBG). Not all the observed effects can be ascribed to THC, and the other constituents may also modulate its action; for example CBD reduces anxiety induced by THC. A standardised extract of the herb may be therefore be more beneficial in practice and clinical trial protocols have been drawn up to assess this. The mechanism of action is still not fully understood, although cannabinoid receptors have been cloned and natural ligands identified. Cannabis is frequently used by patients with multiple sclerosis (MS) for muscle spasm and pain, and in an experimental model of MS low doses of cannabinoids alleviated tremor. Most of the controlled studies have been carried out with THC rather than cannabis herb and so do not mimic the usual clincal situation. Small clinical studies have confirmed the usefulness of THC as an analgesic; CBD and CBG also have analgesic and antiinflammatory effects, indicating that there is scope for developing drugs which do not have the psychoactive properties of THC. Patients taking the synthetic derivative nabilone for neurogenic pain actually preferred cannabis herb and reported that it relieved not only pain but the associated depression and anxiety. Cannabinoids are effective in chemotherapy-induced emesis and nabilone has been licensed for this use for several years. Currently, the synthetic cannabinoid HU211 is undergoing trials as a protective agent after brain trauma. Anecdotal reports of cannabis use include case studies in migraine and Tourette’s syndrome, and as a treatment for asthma and glaucoma. Apart from the smoking aspect, the safety profile of cannabis is fairly good. However, adverse reactions include panic or anxiety attacks, which are worse in the elderly and in women, and less likely in children. Although psychosis has been cited as a consequence of cannabis use, an examination of psychiatric hospital admissions found no evidence of this, however, it may exacerbate existing symptoms. The relatively slow elimination from the body of the cannabinoids has safety implications for cognitive tasks, especially driving and operating machinery; although driving impairment with cannabis is only moderate, there is a significant interaction with alcohol. Natural materials are highly variable and multiple components need to be standardised to ensure reproducible effects. Pure natural and synthetic compounds do not have these disadvantages but may not have the overall therapeutic effect of the herb. PMID: 11152013 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&… Forsch Komplementarmed  1999 Oct;6 Suppl 3:12-5 Cannabis and cannabinoids: pharmacology and rationale for clinical use. Pertwee RG. Institute of Biomedical Sciences, Aberdeen, Scotland. It is now known that there are at least two types of cannabinoid receptors. These are CB1 receptors, present mainly on central and peripheral neurones, and CB2 receptors, present mainly on immune cells. Endogenous cannabinoid receptor agonists (‘endocannabinoids’) have also been identified. The discovery of this ‘endogenous cannabinoid system’ has led to the development of selective CB1 and CB2 receptor ligands and fueled renewed interest in the clinical potential of cannabinoids. Two cannabinoid CB1 receptor agonists are already used clinically, as antiemetics or as appetite stimulants. These are D 9 – tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and nabilone. Other possible uses for CB1 receptor agonists include the suppression of muscle spasm/spasticity associated with multiple sclerosis or spinal cord injury, the relief of chronic pain and the management of glaucoma and bronchial asthma. CB1 receptor antagonists may also have clinical applications, e. g. as appetite suppressants and in the management of schizophrenia or disorders of cognition and memory. So too may CB2 receptor ligands and drugs that activate cannabinoid receptors indirectly by augmenting endocannabinoid levels at cannabinoid receptors. When taken orally, THC seems to undergo variable absorption and to have a narrow ‘therapeutic window’ (dose range in which it is effective without producing significant unwanted effects). This makes it difficult to predict an oral dose that will be both effective and tolerable to a patient and indicates a need for better cannabinoid formulations and modes of administration. For the therapeutic potential of cannabis or CB1 receptor agonists to be fully exploited, it will be important to establish objectively and conclusively (a) whether these agents have efficacy against selected symptoms that is of clinical significance and, if so, whether the benefits outweigh the risks, (b) whether cannabis has therapeutic advantages over individual cannabinoids, (c) whether there is a need for additional drug treatments to manage any of the disorders against which cannabinoids are effective, and (d) whether it will be possible to develop drugs that have reduced psychotropic activity and yet retain the ability to act through CB1 receptors to produce their sought-after effects. Copyright Copyright 1999 S. Karger GmbH, Freiburg PMID: 10575283 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&… http://IanGoddard.net

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<SNIP Based on a lack of scientific evidence, the American Academy of Ophthalmology does not endorse the use of marijuana to treat glaucoma.

In the words of Christine Keeler and in the same sprite she said it, "Well they would say that wouldn’t they". Slatts

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Ian, I tried to email you a copy of my thesis on the subject, but your email didn’t work. The thesis is too long to post on a listserve i think, it’s about 14pgs single-spaced, it’s very organized so it can get your correct email address, and I will email you the thesis. Anyone who just happens to be browsing and is curious enough to read 14pgs single-spaced, feel free to email me and I’ll send it to you as well. The evidence is very varied and is more than just the etymology of kaneh-bosm. For a non-etymologist like myself, it’s actually all the non-etymological evidence that causes me to be convinced that kaneh-bosm had to be cannabis.

  IAN: Thanks! It’s impressive and just what’s missing on-line,   which is where you should get it. Check it out folks!   http://IanGoddard.net   OBE Explanation: http://iangoddard.net/paranorm.htm

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Cannabis is therapeutic. Cannabis treats epilepsy (demon possessed), multiple scelerosis, pruritus (referred to in the Bible as leprosy), rheumatism, sciatic neuralgia (crippled man), glaucoma (blind man),

http://www.medem.com/MedLB/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZXIEOMH4… at=115 (*begin quoted article*) Use of Marijuana to Treat Glaucoma Information From Your Eye M.D. Background Effective treatment for glaucoma involves the use of pharmaceutical agents or surgical procedures that prevent progressive optic nerve damage. To date, the only clinically effective method of accomplishing this is by lowering intraocular pressure (IOP). To be a useful mode of therapy for glaucoma, a drug or surgical procedure that reduces intraocular pressure must do so without causing unacceptable damage to the eye or other parts of the body and reduce the pressure sufficiently to prevent optic nerve damage. Conclusion Studies have demonstrated that some derivatives of marijuana result in lowering intraocular pressure when administered orally, intravenously or by smoking, but not when topically applied to the eye. However, the duration of the pressure-lowering effects was reported to be in the range of three to four hours; thus, an individual would have to smoke a marijuana cigarette eight to ten times a day in order to control intraocular pressure over 24 hours. Therefore, the American Academy of Ophthalmology believes there is no evidence to date that demonstrates increased benefits and/or diminished risks of marijuana (or its components) use to treat glaucoma by lowering intraocular pressure enough to prevent optic nerve damage compared with the wide variety of pharmaceutical agents now available. This conclusion is based on reviews from the National Eye Institute (NEI) and the Institute of Medicine, as well as on available scientific evidence. Risks The dose of marijuana necessary to produce a clinically relevant effect in the short term appears to produce an unacceptable level of undesirable side effects, such as impaired motor coordination, impaired memory for recent events, difficulty concentrating, increased heart rate, systemic hypotension, dry eye and conjunctival hyperemia in the majority of glaucoma patients in whom the drug has been carefully studied. No data has been published on the long-term ocular and systemic effects of the use of marijuana by glaucoma patients. However, it would be anticipated that the side effects from the use of marijuana would be comparable to those side effects reported in short-term studies of non-glaucomatous patients. Should I Use Marijuana to Treat Glaucoma? Glaucoma is a chronic disease, requiring ongoing therapy and if not treated effectively, can lead to irreversible vision loss. In assessing the safety and efficacy of the use of any medication or treatment for your glaucoma, you should speak with your Eye M.D. Based on a lack of scientific evidence, the American Academy of Ophthalmology does not endorse the use of marijuana to treat glaucoma. Where Can I Get More Information? Your Eye M.D. is the best source of information on glaucoma, as well as eye health and safety. Approved by: The Eye Health and Public Information Task Force April 2002 (*End quoted article*)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  The following report is sparse on details. Anyone aware  of supporting evidence? Notice that despite the initial  statements that convey a high degree of certitude, the  source says "If cannabis was one of the main ingredients…"  "Almost certainly … IF…" Hmmm… http://IanGoddard.net http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,869273,00.html Jesus ‘healed using cannabis’ Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles Monday January 6, 2003 The Guardian Jesus was almost certainly a cannabis user and an early proponent of the medicinal properties of the drug, according to a study of scriptural texts published this month. The study suggests that Jesus and his disciples used the drug to carry out miraculous healings. The anointing oil used by Jesus and his disciples contained an ingredient called kaneh-bosem which has since been identified as cannabis extract, according to an article by Chris Bennett in the drugs magazine, High Times, entitled Was Jesus a Stoner? The incense used by Jesus in ceremonies also contained a cannabis extract, suggests Mr Bennett, who quotes scholars to back his claims.    Considering Cannabis does not heal but is in the category if snake oil mixtures of alcohol and opium I do not see where this article is going.

Cannabis is therapeutic. Cannabis treats epilepsy (demon possessed), multiple scelerosis, pruritus (referred to in the Bible as leprosy), rheumatism, sciatic neuralgia (crippled man), glaucoma (blind man), and a few other things. It’s surprising, I know, but if anyone who’s studied the history of drugs knows that the history is laden with surprises. A good book on the subject is 1. Grinspoon, Lester M.D., and Bakalar, James B., Marihuana the Forbidden Medicine, Yale University Press New Haven and London, 1997 This book deals mainly with anecdotal evidence, but I have catalogued citations from other source of actual experiments conducted from medical journals. It’s about 2.5 pages long and it’s part of the longer 14pg paper I’ve written on the subject that I mentioned earlier on this thread. Let me know if you want me to email it to you.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  The following report is sparse on details. Anyone aware  of supporting evidence? Notice that despite the initial  statements that convey a high degree of certitude, the  source says "If cannabis was one of the main ingredients…"  "Almost certainly … IF…" Hmmm… http://IanGoddard.net http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,869273,00.html Jesus ‘healed using cannabis’ Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles Monday January 6, 2003 The Guardian Jesus was almost certainly a cannabis user and an early proponent of the medicinal properties of the drug, according to a study of scriptural texts published this month. The study suggests that Jesus and his disciples used the drug to carry out miraculous healings. The anointing oil used by Jesus and his disciples contained an ingredient called kaneh-bosem which has since been identified as cannabis extract, according to an article by Chris Bennett in the drugs magazine, High Times, entitled Was Jesus a Stoner? The incense used by Jesus in ceremonies also contained a cannabis extract, suggests Mr Bennett, who quotes scholars to back his claims.

        Considering Cannabis does not heal but is in the category if snake oil mixtures of alcohol and opium I do not see where this article is going. — The vested interest in focusing upon Nazi anti-semitism and ignoring its pro-Zionism is that 99% of Nazism was government control of the economy.         — The Iron Webmaster, 685

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Ian, I tried to email you a copy of my thesis on the subject, but your email didn’t work. The thesis is too long to post on a listserve i think, it’s about 14pgs single-spaced, it’s very organized so it can get your correct email address, and I will email you the thesis. Anyone who just happens to be browsing and is curious enough to read 14pgs single-spaced, feel free to email me and I’ll send it to you as well. The evidence is very varied and is more than just the etymology of kaneh-bosm. For a non-etymologist like myself, it’s actually all the non-etymological evidence that causes me to be convinced that kaneh-bosm had to be cannabis. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The letter copied below was copied from here http://www.rism.org/isg/dlp/ganja/resources/godandganja.html and has minor (irrelevant) type differences from the same letter found at the Boulder Weekly site (URL below). I’ll stop by some newsstands this week to see if I can find the study cited by the Guardian for source details. I get the feeling a lot of this may be based on extrapolative assumptions. http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/032201/letters.html Letters the week of 3/22/01 … God and Ganja … Several misconceptions need be addressed which were raised by Jeremy Erhart’s letter about Rev.  Pothead.  First, according to references such as Smith’s Bible Dictionary, the Hebrew words "Kaneh" and "Bosem" meaning aromatic reed, are found in Exodus 30:23, and refer to the recipe for the Holy Anointing Oil of Israel.  Kaneh Bosem is the Semitic root origin of the word "Kannabus" ( Greek ) and "Cannabis" ( Latin ).  The rewriting of history to which Jeremy refers was actually done in 300 BC when Cannabis was mistranslated from the Hebrew Kaneh Bosem to the Greek meaning calamus.  This recipe was revealed to Moses at the same time as the Ten Commandments.  In modern units of measure it calls for nearly 8 pounds of Cannabis, along with other spices, for its preparation. This oil was used to anoint all of the ceremonial vestments of the Hebrew tabernacle and the members of the Aaronic priesthood, as well as prophets and kings.  Someone whose hair was anointed with this oil in the hot Sinai desert would contrast the earthly fragrances of desert nomads and would automatically seem

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Im a 100% vet.and ive never heard of your 13-Point Combat Scale.i did find your post interesting though.

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This is a very interesting article, especially for Viet Nam Vets who think they may have symptoms of PTSD. PTSD ARTICLE In STRESSES OF WAR: THE EXAMPLE OF VIETNAM by Arthur Blank, MD (1981, THE FREE PRESS, MacMillian Pub. Co.), there is this assessment of wars and how Vietnam compared: I. Stresses Typical for All Wars: A. Miserable living conditions B. Fatigue C. Sensory assault D. The fighting itself E. Wounds F. Special stresses of the combat situation: 1. Capture and torture 2. Isolation 3. Acute survivorship (only narrowly escaping death when others were killed) 4. Authoritarian organization 5. Command incompetence 6. The observers (fighting while others merely watched) II. Unusual Stresses Peculiar to the Vietnam War: A. Guerilla warfare B. Lack of clear objectives C. Limitations on offensive actions D. Terrorism ("All of Vietnam was a combat zone; what varied was only degree." E. Climate and topography F. Miscellaneous bizarre physical dangers G. Tropical diseases H. Immersion in an extraordinarily poor Third World society I. Chaos and confusion III. Psychological Stresses Secondary to the General Political Character of the War: A. Experience of absurd waste B. Government deceit and misjudgment C. Massive national conflict D. Defeat From the above it is evident that stresses were much greater for those who actually participated in the fighting. Those who treat PTSD cases are well aware of this, but many veterans assume a need to explain more than they need to. That may have been necessary or a good idea several years ago but much has been gained by the professional since — via the enlightenment provided by the many veterans who have been so far treated. In the beginning of evaluation and treatment, this might be important for the veteran of heavy combat, since he is the least likely to want to recall bad experiences. It does take time for proper rapport with the psychologist to develop. As Joel Osler Brende, MD states in COMBINED GROUP THERAPY FOR VIETNAM VETERANS, "Even though every combat soldier has been traumatized and harbors the residual effects of that trauma within him, he will be unable to disclose his pain until the right circumstances allow,’and then only gradually." Therefore, a determination of the degree of combat a patient has seen not only makes the psychologist aware of the degree of probability that this patient may suffer PTSD but helps him design his approach to dealing with that veteran. Some doctors may choose to employ what is known as The 13-Point Combat Scale. The scale is a set of ten questions designed to determine how extensive the veteran’s combat experience were. The test/scale was prepared by Drs. Mark Gallop, Robert Laufer, and Thomas Yeager. Although the test is called The 13-Point Combat Scale, a total score of 14 is actually possible. It is, however, highly unlikely that a given veteran would score 14, unless he happened to have been in combat with both the artillery and another combat arm, primarily the infantry. (When the scale was being tested, no veteran scored more than 13 points.) The test, shown below, simply requires a YES or NO answer to each question. Each question has been assigned a certain numerical weight. THE 13-POINT COMBAT SCALE COMBAT EXPERIENCE WEIGHT 1. Served in an artillery unit which fired on the enemy 1 2. Flew over Vietnam in an aircraft 1 3. Was stationed at forward observation post 1 4. Received incoming fire 1 5. Encountered mines and boobytraps 1 6. Received sniper or sapper fire 1 7. Unit patrol was ambushed 2 8. Engaged VC in a firefight and/or engaged NVA in a firefight 2 9. Saw Americans killed and/or saw Vietnamese killed 2 10. Was wounded 2 MAXIMUM SCORE 14 An answer of NO to all questions results in a "noncombat" classification of the veteran. A score of 1 through 6 is rated as "low combat" while one of 7through 14 is regarded as "high combat". A linear, graphic scale may be drawn to visualize where one places according to his combat-experience rating: —high combat—– 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 0– /– /– /– /– /– /– /– /– /– /– /– /– /– 14 1 2 3 4 5 6 —low combat —— (The 13-Point Combat Scale is taken from LEGACIES OF VIETNAM: COMPARATIVE ADJUSTMENT OF VETERANS AND THEIR PEERS. This study was done for the Veterans Administration by the Center for Policy Research, Inc. of New York and is copyrighted 1981. The text consists of five volumes with two appendices.) A high score on the scale does not always indicate that a given veteran will suffer PTSD, nor does a low score rule out that possibility. In general, the more combat, the greater the probability of PTSD and the higher one places may predict a greater severity of the disorders. There are, in fact, some indications that veterans scoring in the "low combat" grouping may be better adjusted than not only high-combat veterans but also noncombat veterans. In LEGACIES a study of arrests shows that, of men of the same age group, 24% of high-combat veterans and 17% of Vietnam Era Veterans were arrested after service, while only 10% of those in the low-combat group were arrested. As a matter of fact, 14% of nonveteran men of the same age had been arrested — still more than the low-combat veterans. Some studies reflect another phenomenon: some veterans who served in Vietnam, but saw no combat, apparently returned with more guilt feelings than they who had seen combat because they felt they "didn’t do their part". Possibly more surprising is the report that some former war protesters today experience guilt-feelings over not having served. Some admit to admiration for those who served in Vietnam. An example is given by Myra MacPherson in her excellent book, LONG TIME PASSING: VIETNAM AND THE HAUNTED GENERATION (Doubleday, 1984). She reports that one protestor evaded induction by the inhalation of canvas dust "to revive a childhood case of bronchial asthma." Years later he is haunted by ambivalence: " .. as I survey my friends and acquaintances who have served, I notice something disturbing that makes me want to rethink the issue. To put it bluntly, they have something we haven’t got. It is, to be sure, something vague, but nonetheless real, and can be embraced under several headings: realism, discipline, masculinity (kind of a dirty word these days), resilience, tenacity, resourcefulness … I’m not at all sure they didn’t turn out to be better men — in the best sense of the word." Post-Traumatic Stress Disorders, like most other illness, are not only to be found in veterans of this or that station in life. PTSD is no respecter of education, intelligence, race, creed, socioeconomic level or whatever. Tom Williams, Psy. D. by his experience can represent those veterans who went to war with better-than-average intellect and the attainment of or potential for advanced education, for example. From his case history: he ‘ attended the US Naval Academy and served as a Marine Officer for eleven years, which includes two tours of duty in Vietnam. He has been married and divorced and has remarried. He obtained his master degree, worked in mental health for five years and then obtained his doctorate. One experience with PTSD symptoms that Dr. Williams had was reported in POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDERS OF THE VIETNAM VETERAN: " … (in the winter) of 1979, I was overcome by a wave of poor judgment and saw the movie, THE DEER HUNTER. It was hard to watch the movie, but I white-knuckled it through. The sound of helicopters and the realistic battle scenes were disturbing, but not as disturbing as the metaphor of Russian roulette used to symbolize the constant stresses of combat in Vietnam. I was reminded of the guerilla nature of the war, especially of the continued and heavy use of booby traps by the enemy. The movie brought up more memories and overwhelming emotions than I could handle. At the end of the movie, I was unable to talk. As I walked out, I hoped that someone would jostle me or some kid usher would tell me to go out a different exit than I intended so I could express my rage at him. "When my wife and I arrived at the car, I got in the passenger side, knowing full well I couldn’t drive, and cried deeply and uncontrollably. All I could say was ‘those poor fucking kids’ over and over again between my sobs. My wife made an excellent therapeutic inter-vention by taking me to a loud bar and buying me a taco and a beer. We talked. It helped, but I remained confused about being so completely overwhelmed by such a multitude of emotions." The date of the quotation tells us that Dr. Williams’ reaction to war stresses is delayed. His reaction was, typically, brought on by war related stimuli: the sound of helicopters, realism in battle scenes (and sounds), and even the symbolism of the guerrilla warfare. He experienced rage. His emotions became unmanageable. There is probably survivor guilt evidenced by his feelings about the children. He also experienced the common temporary loss of the ability to function (couldn’t drive). Dr. Williams could not be classified as an average person, yet he does share the common experience of PTSD symptoms as described. But the doctor who evaluates the prospective sufferer of PTSD will also concern himself with differences as well as similarities his patient exhibits with relation to other veterans. Again, a big difference among us is whether or not a veteran has seen combat and this difference has certain implications. From page 43 of LEGACIES: "Our findings demonstrate that Viet Vets exposed to combat generally feel the war had a negative psychological effect. Of the majority who feel the war had a positive effect on their lives (a mating effect, for example), many still emphasize traumatic wartime experiences. Most important, we find that combat vets continue to have significantly more psychological and behavioral difficulties than Vietnam Era Vets, Vietnam Vets not exposed to combat, or nonveterans." The same … read more »

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I don’t think you have anything to feel guilty about.  Especially with the above statement.  You’re doing whatever you can to help your child.  It sounds like you’re not suffering from guilt.  From what I interpret, you’re simply worrying about whether or not you’re doing the right thing for your son or if you’re doing enough to help him. From what I can tell from this one post, I would be inclined to think that you’re taking the appropriate actions and that you’re on the right track.   I’m sure your son can see that you are concerned for him and really love him.  That is a very important thing in and of itself.  You sound like a good parent that should not have to carry around any guilt. Mike

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t think you have anything to feel guilty about.  Especially with the above statement.  You’re doing whatever you can to help your child.  It sounds like you’re not suffering from guilt.  From what I interpret, you’re simply worrying about whether or not you’re doing the right thing for your son or if you’re doing enough to help him. From what I can tell from this one post, I would be inclined to think that you’re taking the appropriate actions and that you’re on the right track. I’m sure your son can see that you are concerned for him and really love him.  That is a very important thing in and of itself.  You sound like a good parent that should not have to carry around any guilt. Mike

I second that! Don’t feel guilty or beat yourself up emotionally over doing what you feel needs to be done to help your son.  Have patience with yourself as well as with your son.  Treat yourself with love and kindness.  And for goodness sake, give yourself a day off once in a while, time all to yourself to do things that *you* enjoy. If you don’t take care of you, you won’t be able to take care of anyone else. — Light, Love, & Laughter, Kitten, Goddess of Mischief "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never forgotten this." – Anonymous "Just for today, do not worry;  Just for today, do not anger; Earn your living honestly; Honor your parents, teachers and elders; Show gratitude for every living thing."- Dr. Mikao Usui Before you buy.

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Anyhow, I did go the doc’s office and picked up my son’s prescription for

Ritalin.  You have to understand that this is VERY different from antibiotics or even his puffers, since they are as needed, that I will give my son a pill everyday… probably for a very long time and for that I feel extremely guilty. Just remember, that for your son at this time, the ritalin is a necessary as your son’s puffers(I assume he is asthmatic-I can relate-so am I).  If you do not feel guilty for administering his puffer, then try not to feel guilty for administering his ritalin.  The puffer is probably going to "be needed for a very long time" as well.  Try to use that as a comparison for some perspective. Note that I did say "at this time".  It is possible that your son may need medication for quite some time, perhaps for life, but it is not a given.  I have 2 sons.  My 13 year old ADDer needed ritalin from age 6 to age 10. During that time he was able to focus enough to actually *learn* the coping mechanism, the behavior- and environmental-modifications that heave been so helpful to him.  At this point he can use the modifications *without the meds*.  But he needed the meds to learn them. His 10 year old brother is dealing with ADHD, giftedness, and PDD-NOS(on the upper end of the autistic spectrum).  He is taking dexedrine for his ADHD(so, no, ritalin is not the "cure-all", nor is it for everyone), and zoloft for his autistic perserveration.  It doesn’t look like he will be able to function *as well* without them anytime soon.  He can function without them, but life for him is not near as enjoyable, nor successfull. Think of medication as a tool in your battery of stuff to use to arm your child for his life.  Just as puffers allow your son to breathe, central nervous stimulants like ritalin allow your son to think things through before he does them.  Like, remember to look both ways before crossing the street(a potential lifesaver…) Oh, and one last thing… "Mommy Guilt" knows no boundaries–we have all felt it for the most stupid things.  Just remember that you love your children, and are trying to do the best for them(and yourself).  Be an informed consumer, and keep hugging those kids… Buny

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t think you have anything to feel guilty about.  Especially with the above statement.  You’re doing whatever you can to help your child.  It sounds like you’re not suffering from guilt.  From what I interpret, you’re simply worrying about whether or not you’re doing the right thing for your son or if you’re doing enough to help him. From what I can tell from this one post, I would be inclined to think that you’re taking the appropriate actions and that you’re on the right track.   I’m sure your son can see that you are concerned for him and really love him.  That is a very important thing in and of itself.  You sound like a good parent that should not have to carry around any guilt. Mike

Thanks Mike for the boost of confidance.  I guess the guilt comes from me not fully getting what ADHD does, how it makes him feel, about the frustration he might/does feel.  I really wish that I wouldn’t have to give him that pill.  All in all though, he’s a seven year old boy….. not really concerned with what he cannot do, I don’t even think he knows fully about his limitations, which are stritcly academic.  His father and I try as best we can to make learning new concept into games or explaining things to him a thousand times till it finnaly sticks.  We also do things with him that we know he’s good at and we constantly boost his confidence. He knows that he has ADHD.  We have explained to him what it means for him and for us but I don’t think that he really gets it, nor does he think that he’s different from other little boys.  Thank God the ADHD was discovered early, that he loves going to school, that he’s getting all the academic help he can get.  I just wish that I would not have to give him that pill though. Again thanks Mike! Annie — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t think you have anything to feel guilty about.  Especially with the above statement.  You’re doing whatever you can to help your child.  It sounds like you’re not suffering from guilt.  From what I interpret, you’re simply worrying about whether or not you’re doing the right thing for your son or if you’re doing enough to help him. From what I can tell from this one post, I would be inclined to think that you’re taking the appropriate actions and that you’re on the right track. I’m sure your son can see that you are concerned for him and really love him.  That is a very important thing in and of itself.  You sound like a good parent that should not have to carry around any guilt. Mike I second that! Don’t feel guilty or beat yourself up emotionally over doing what you feel needs to be done to help your son.  Have patience with yourself as well as with your son.  Treat yourself with love and kindness.  And for goodness sake, give yourself a day off once in a while, time all to yourself to do things that *you* enjoy. If you don’t take care of you, you won’t be able to take care of anyone else. — Light, Love, & Laughter, Kitten, Goddess of Mischief "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never forgotten this." – Anonymous "Just for today, do not worry;  Just for today, do not anger; Earn your living honestly; Honor your parents, teachers and elders; Show gratitude for every living thing."- Dr. Mikao Usui Before you buy.

I get a day off every time the kids are at school.  I am on disability because of my MS.  Thank God for small favors because I seriously doubt I would have had the energy or patience <g to deal with this. Thank you for the faith and boost of confidence. Annie — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyhow, I did go the doc’s office and picked up my son’s prescription for Ritalin.  You have to understand that this is VERY different from antibiotics or even his puffers, since they are as needed, that I will give my son a pill everyday… probably for a very long time and for that I feel extremely guilty. Just remember, that for your son at this time, the ritalin is a necessary as your son’s puffers(I assume he is asthmatic-I can relate-so am I).  If you do not feel guilty for administering his puffer, then try not to feel guilty for administering his ritalin.  The puffer is probably going to "be needed for a very long time" as well.  Try to use that as a comparison for some perspective. Note that I did say "at this time".  It is possible that your son may need medication for quite some time, perhaps for life, but it is not a given.  I have 2 sons.  My 13 year old ADDer needed ritalin from age 6 to age 10. During that time he was able to focus enough to actually *learn* the coping mechanism, the behavior- and environmental-modifications that heave been so helpful to him.  At this point he can use the modifications *without the meds*.  But he needed the meds to learn them. His 10 year old brother is dealing with ADHD, giftedness, and PDD-NOS(on the upper end of the autistic spectrum).  He is taking dexedrine for his ADHD(so, no, ritalin is not the "cure-all", nor is it for everyone), and zoloft for his autistic perserveration.  It doesn’t look like he will be able to function *as well* without them anytime soon.  He can function without them, but life for him is not near as enjoyable, nor successfull. Think of medication as a tool in your battery of stuff to use to arm your child for his life.  Just as puffers allow your son to breathe, central nervous stimulants like ritalin allow your son to think things through before he does them.  Like, remember to look both ways before crossing the street(a potential lifesaver…) Oh, and one last thing… "Mommy Guilt" knows no boundaries–we have all felt it for the most stupid things.  Just remember that you love your children, and are trying to do the best for them(and yourself).  Be an informed consumer, and keep hugging those kids… Buny

Both my kids have bronchial asthma so the puffers were needed for when they had colds and the use of them have diminished greatly in the years and will more then likely be non existent past teenage years. Thank you very much for telling me that the meds, could not be for his entire life.  I will work with him to build tools that he needs.  My baby is a charmer, a charismatic little boy who loves to help others and want to do everything to make the other happy.  I’m not just being bias because I’m his mother<vbg,  those have been and still are comments from teachers.  Be an informed consumer, and keep hugging those kids…

Done…   lol Annie — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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First I must start with… please bear with me, my youngest son’s ADHD was only discovered in June of last year.  English is not my mother’s tongue<sp.? and to top it all off I have MS(multiple sclerosis). So PLEASE bear with me.  :-) Today I had a reunion with the principal of the school, my youngest son’s teacher and resource teacher and I was told that even with all the extra help he’s getting through school and at home,  it was not enough.  I knew that the subject of medication could come up.  I had discussed available medication and what my options were with my son pediatrician, (and the funny thing is about all this…. the doc’s visit was only 8 days ago) Anyhow, I did go the doc’s office and picked up my son’s prescription for Ritalin.  You have to understand that this is VERY different from antibiotics or even his puffers, since they are as needed, that I will give my son a pill everyday… probably for a very long time and for that I feel extremely guilty.  My first child is a very gifted child with no ADHD dx or symptoms that I can notice.  I don’t have ADHD either but my hubby gives off traits that I can notice now but he’s not dx’ed.  My first son is not hubby’s biological son(though he’s been with us from the start). We(hubby, neurologist and I) suspect that the traumatic birth of my baby(youngest son) was the trigger of my MS. I probably will never know the total impact of ADHD has on my baby’s life.  I will always try to find the best way I can to help him but he’s only 7 and a boy and he doesn’t always tell me the minor things bothering him.  I guess I’m afraid that I’ll miss something or that I won’t pick up the subtle cues. Thanks for listening! — Annie — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Bloody hell, Gwen! This makes me *so* glad I stopped!!! Ally <phew

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<<Gwen Watson posted a very sobering list of additives found in cigarettes Gwen, GREAT LIST!!! Would you mind if I used it in some form on the Website I’m putting together for Quitters? I think it would be very useful… Thanks, Lane Day 6…

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Wow, I was capable of chemically cleaning, acid-washing, electroplating and polishing cheap jewelry with my insides. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –              AMMONIA              Ammonia possesses a sharp, irritating odor detectable as low as 1 ppm.              At high concentrations, ammonia causes intense irritation, severe eye damage, and asthma.              2-AMINONAPHTHALENE              2-aminonaphthalene causes cancer in humans.              There is no safe exposure limit for 2-aminonaphthalene.              Absorption of 2-aminonaphthalene occurs both by inhalation and through the skin.              Because it causes cancer, the industrial use of 2-aminonaphthalene is restricted or banned.              1-AMINONAPHTHALENE              1-aminonaphthalene has been shown to cause lung, liver and leukemia cancers in animals.              1-aminonaphthalene may cause cancer in humans.              1-aminonaphthalene has been shown to have moderate toxicity in fish.              Absorption occurs both by inhalation and through the skin.              Absorption through the skin may occur without a sense of irritation or other warning.              The main industrial uses of 1-aminonaphthalene include dyes, rubber, and weed control.              4-AMINOBIPHENYL              4-aminobiphenyl is confirmed to cause cancer in humans.              The carcinogenic nature of 4-aminobiphenyl has been known since at least 1974.              This chemical has been called ‘one of the most potent known bladder carcinogens’.              There is no known safe level of 4-aminobiphenyl.              Absorption occurs through the skin.              4-aminobiphenyl is no longer produced on a commercial scale for use in industry.              3-AMINOBIPHENYL              3-aminobiphenyl is a mutagen, and causes mutation in microorganisms.              BENZO[a]PYRENE              Benzo[a]pyrene (B[a]P) is suspected to cause cancer in humans.              There is a significant correlation between B[a]P exposure and lung cancer mortality.              B[a]P was found to cause cancer in animals and fish in every study to date.              Animal studies showed that as low a dose as 0.05 mg B[a]P caused tumors.              B[a]P deposits in the lung. Elimination of B[a]P from the lung is severely restricted by cigarette smoking.              Cancer is more likely to occur with repeated B[a]P exposures than with a single dose of the same amount.              B[a]P exposure may also cause skin cancer, dermatitis, photoallergy, non-neoplastic respiratory disease and              emphysema.              Exposure to B[a]P results in decreased reproductive capacity for both males and females.              Absorption of B[a]P also occurs through the skin.              FORMALDEHYDE              Formaldehyde is suspected to cause cancer in humans.              Formaldehyde occurs naturally at 0.12 to 0.38 parts per BILLION [ppb]. Sidestream smoke increases this by              0.23 to 0.27 parts per MILLION [ppm] (a 1000+ increase).              Long-term exposure at levels greater than 0.1 ppm appears to be a risk for cancers of the lung, pharynx, buccal              cavity, liver, bone, skin, prostate gland, bladder, kidney and eye, leukemia and Hodgkin’s disease.              Animal studies showed formaldehyde is an irritant to eyes, nose, throat and lungs, and causes cellular changes in              the upper respiratory tract, a decrease in respiratory rate, and adversely affects the liver.              Formaldehyde exposure greater than 0.22 ppm is linked to respiratory symptoms such as cough, phlegm, chronic              bronchitis, asthma, shortness of breath and chest colds.              Formaldehyde is known to produce allergic reactions and induction of asthma-like conditions, lightheadedness,              dizziness, diminished dexterity, itching eyes, dry and sore throats, disturbed sleep, unusual thirst, and malignant              disease in humans.              Human eyes are sensitive to formaldehyde at concentrations of 0.01 ppm, and are irritated by formaldehyde at              concentrations of 0.05 to 0.5 ppm.              The main uses of formaldehyde in industry include fertilizer, dyes, disinfectants, germicides, preservatives, and              embalming fluid.              ACETALDEHYDE              Studies have shown that acetaldehyde causes cancer in animals, and may cause cancer in humans.              Small amounts of acetaldehyde irritate the eyes, skin, and respiratory tract of humans and animals.              Animal studies in which pregnant rats were exposed to acetaldehyde found that acetaldehyde interfered with the              exchange of nutrients from the mother to the placenta, resulting in growth retardation, malformation, delayed              bone growth and death of the fetus.              Acetaldehyde may increase the absorption of the other hazardous chemicals in tobacco smoke into the bronchial              tubes.              The main industrial uses of acetaldehyde include silvering of mirrors, leather tanning, fuel, glue, dyes, plastics and              synthetic rubbers.              Acetaldehyde decomposition products include carbon monoxide.              ACETONE              Acetone is an irritant to eyes, nose and throat.              Acetone irritates, dries, and may burn skin.              Absorption occurs both via inhalation and through the skin.              Higher doses can cause dizziness, lightheadedness, damage to the liver and kidneys.              ACROLEIN              Acrolein has not been found to cause cancer. However, in the body, acrolein produces glycidaldehyde which              does cause cancer.              Long term inhalation studies on animals found that acrolein causes emphysema and inflammation of the lung, liver              and kidney.              Acrolein is intensely irritating to the eyes and upper respiratory tract in human and animals. Acrolein is 5 times              stronger an irritant than formaldehyde, acetaldehyde or crotonaldehyde (all of which are found in tobacco              smoke).              The main industrial uses of acrolein include polyurethane manufacture, polyester resins, herbicides and tear gas.              PROPIONALDEHYDE              Inhalation of propionaldehyde causes severe irritation of the respiratory system.              Propionaldehyde causes irritation to skin and eyes.              CROTONALDEHYDE              Crotonaldehyde is known to cause cancer in animals.              Crotonaldehyde causes cancer by interfering with DNA function (a genotoxic carcinogen).              Crotonaldehyde is a fast-acting (within seconds) irritant to the nose and upper respiratory tract.              The main use of crotonaldehyde in industry is as a warning agent in fuel gases.              METHYL ETHYL KETONE              Methyl ethyl ketone causes nose, throat, and eye irritation in humans at moderate levels.              The odor of methyl ethyl ketone is detectable at 10 ppm.              The main uses of methyl ethyl ketone in industry include solvents, resins, artificial leather, rubbers, lacquers,              varnishes and glues.              BUTYRALDEHYDE              Butyraldehyde is an irritant to eyes, nose, throat and lungs.              Higher doses of butyraldehyde causes dizziness and lightheadedness, and may burn skin.              The main industrial uses of butyraldehyde include resins, solvents and plasticizers.              HYDROGEN CYANIDE              Hydrogen cyanide causes nasal irritation, confusion, headache, dizziness, weakness and nausea in humans at              moderate doses.              At higher doses, hydrogen cyanide causes asthenia, vertigo, loss of weight and gastrointestinal problems.              The main uses of hydrogen cyanide in industry include fumigation, as an insecticide, electroplating, metallurgy and              photography.              NICKEL              Inhalable, insoluble nickel is confirmed to cause cancer in humans.              Up to 5% of the general population are sensitized (allergic) to nickel.              Nickel inhalation increases the risk of cancer or of gastrointestinal symptoms.              Exposure to inhalable nickel may result in chronic irritation of the upper respiratory tract or bronchial asthma.              Nickel inhalation exposure increases susceptibility to respiratory infection, allergic contact dermatitis, and              pulmonary edema.              The main uses of nickel in industry include production of stainless steel, alloys, electroplating, coinage, and              alkaline batteries.              LEAD              Lead is known to cause cancer in animals.              Lead may cause cancer in humans.              Lead is toxic, and soluble in body fluids when inhaled.              Lead interacts with enzymes, especially those associated with heme synthesis (blood).              Absorption of low levels of lead causes an increase in blood pressure in humans.              Lead causes anemia at blood levels above 80

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             AMMONIA              Ammonia possesses a sharp, irritating odor detectable as low as 1 ppm.              At high concentrations, ammonia causes intense irritation, severe eye damage, and asthma.              2-AMINONAPHTHALENE              2-aminonaphthalene causes cancer in humans.              There is no safe exposure limit for 2-aminonaphthalene.              Absorption of 2-aminonaphthalene occurs both by inhalation and through the skin.              Because it causes cancer, the industrial use of 2-aminonaphthalene is restricted or banned.              1-AMINONAPHTHALENE              1-aminonaphthalene has been shown to cause lung, liver and leukemia cancers in animals.              1-aminonaphthalene may cause cancer in humans.              1-aminonaphthalene has been shown to have moderate toxicity in fish.              Absorption occurs both by inhalation and through the skin.              Absorption through the skin may occur without a sense of irritation or other warning.              The main industrial uses of 1-aminonaphthalene include dyes, rubber, and weed control.              4-AMINOBIPHENYL              4-aminobiphenyl is confirmed to cause cancer in humans.              The carcinogenic nature of 4-aminobiphenyl has been known since at least 1974.              This chemical has been called ‘one of the most potent known bladder carcinogens’.              There is no known safe level of 4-aminobiphenyl.              Absorption occurs through the skin.              4-aminobiphenyl is no longer produced on a commercial scale for use in industry.              3-AMINOBIPHENYL              3-aminobiphenyl is a mutagen, and causes mutation in microorganisms.              BENZO[a]PYRENE              Benzo[a]pyrene (B[a]P) is suspected to cause cancer in humans.              There is a significant correlation between B[a]P exposure and lung cancer mortality.              B[a]P was found to cause cancer in animals and fish in every study to date.              Animal studies showed that as low a dose as 0.05 mg B[a]P caused tumors.              B[a]P deposits in the lung. Elimination of B[a]P from the lung is severely restricted by cigarette smoking.              Cancer is more likely to occur with repeated B[a]P exposures than with a single dose of the same amount.              B[a]P exposure may also cause skin cancer, dermatitis, photoallergy, non-neoplastic respiratory disease and              emphysema.              Exposure to B[a]P results in decreased reproductive capacity for both males and females.              Absorption of B[a]P also occurs through the skin.              FORMALDEHYDE              Formaldehyde is suspected to cause cancer in humans.              Formaldehyde occurs naturally at 0.12 to 0.38 parts per BILLION [ppb]. Sidestream smoke increases this by              0.23 to 0.27 parts per MILLION [ppm] (a 1000+ increase).              Long-term exposure at levels greater than 0.1 ppm appears to be a risk for cancers of the lung, pharynx, buccal              cavity, liver, bone, skin, prostate gland, bladder, kidney and eye, leukemia and Hodgkin’s disease.              Animal studies showed formaldehyde is an irritant to eyes, nose, throat and lungs, and causes cellular changes in              the upper respiratory tract, a decrease in respiratory rate, and adversely affects the liver.              Formaldehyde exposure greater than 0.22 ppm is linked to respiratory symptoms such as cough, phlegm, chronic              bronchitis, asthma, shortness of breath and chest colds.              Formaldehyde is known to produce allergic reactions and induction of asthma-like conditions, lightheadedness,              dizziness, diminished dexterity, itching eyes, dry and sore throats, disturbed sleep, unusual thirst, and malignant              disease in humans.              Human eyes are sensitive to formaldehyde at concentrations of 0.01 ppm, and are irritated by formaldehyde at              concentrations of 0.05 to 0.5 ppm.              The main uses of formaldehyde in industry include fertilizer, dyes, disinfectants, germicides, preservatives, and              embalming fluid.              ACETALDEHYDE              Studies have shown that acetaldehyde causes cancer in animals, and may cause cancer in humans.              Small amounts of acetaldehyde irritate the eyes, skin, and respiratory tract of humans and animals.              Animal studies in which pregnant rats were exposed to acetaldehyde found that acetaldehyde interfered with the              exchange of nutrients from the mother to the placenta, resulting in growth retardation, malformation, delayed              bone growth and death of the fetus.              Acetaldehyde may increase the absorption of the other hazardous chemicals in tobacco smoke into the bronchial              tubes.              The main industrial uses of acetaldehyde include silvering of mirrors, leather tanning, fuel, glue, dyes, plastics and              synthetic rubbers.              Acetaldehyde decomposition products include carbon monoxide.              ACETONE              Acetone is an irritant to eyes, nose and throat.              Acetone irritates, dries, and may burn skin.              Absorption occurs both via inhalation and through the skin.              Higher doses can cause dizziness, lightheadedness, damage to the liver and kidneys.              ACROLEIN              Acrolein has not been found to cause cancer. However, in the body, acrolein produces glycidaldehyde which              does cause cancer.              Long term inhalation studies on animals found that acrolein causes emphysema and inflammation of the lung, liver              and kidney.              Acrolein is intensely irritating to the eyes and upper respiratory tract in human and animals. Acrolein is 5 times              stronger an irritant than formaldehyde, acetaldehyde or crotonaldehyde (all of which are found in tobacco              smoke).              The main industrial uses of acrolein include polyurethane manufacture, polyester resins, herbicides and tear gas.              PROPIONALDEHYDE              Inhalation of propionaldehyde causes severe irritation of the respiratory system.              Propionaldehyde causes irritation to skin and eyes.              CROTONALDEHYDE              Crotonaldehyde is known to cause cancer in animals.              Crotonaldehyde causes cancer by interfering with DNA function (a genotoxic carcinogen).              Crotonaldehyde is a fast-acting (within seconds) irritant to the nose and upper respiratory tract.              The main use of crotonaldehyde in industry is as a warning agent in fuel gases.              METHYL ETHYL KETONE              Methyl ethyl ketone causes nose, throat, and eye irritation in humans at moderate levels.              The odor of methyl ethyl ketone is detectable at 10 ppm.              The main uses of methyl ethyl ketone in industry include solvents, resins, artificial leather, rubbers, lacquers,              varnishes and glues.              BUTYRALDEHYDE              Butyraldehyde is an irritant to eyes, nose, throat and lungs.              Higher doses of butyraldehyde causes dizziness and lightheadedness, and may burn skin.              The main industrial uses of butyraldehyde include resins, solvents and plasticizers.              HYDROGEN CYANIDE              Hydrogen cyanide causes nasal irritation, confusion, headache, dizziness, weakness and nausea in humans at              moderate doses.              At higher doses, hydrogen cyanide causes asthenia, vertigo, loss of weight and gastrointestinal problems.              The main uses of hydrogen cyanide in industry include fumigation, as an insecticide, electroplating, metallurgy and              photography.              NICKEL              Inhalable, insoluble nickel is confirmed to cause cancer in humans.              Up to 5% of the general population are sensitized (allergic) to nickel.              Nickel inhalation increases the risk of cancer or of gastrointestinal symptoms.              Exposure to inhalable nickel may result in chronic irritation of the upper respiratory tract or bronchial asthma.              Nickel inhalation exposure increases susceptibility to respiratory infection, allergic contact dermatitis, and              pulmonary edema.              The main uses of nickel in industry include production of stainless steel, alloys, electroplating, coinage, and              alkaline batteries.              LEAD              Lead is known to cause cancer in animals.              Lead may cause cancer in humans.              Lead is toxic, and soluble in body fluids when inhaled.              Lead interacts with enzymes, especially those associated with heme synthesis (blood).              Absorption of low levels of lead causes an increase in blood pressure in humans.              Lead causes anemia at blood levels above 80 ug/dl.              Lead poisoning effects on the brain may not be reversible.              Long term exposure to lead may lead to kidney disease.              Lead is a possible Reproductive Toxin.              Lead may affect sperm formation (at greater than 11.9 ug/dl blood lead).              Lead exposure affects the development of fetuses. Children who were exposed to blood lead levels of greater              than 10 ug/dl in the womb have been found to have developmental effects such as depressed intellectual              development.              Air to blood lead levels: 0.03 to 0.19 ug/dl blood per mg/m3 of lead in air.              The main uses of lead in industry include alloys (solder, bronze, brass), paint pigments, storage batteries, glass,              plastics, ceramics.              CADMIUM              Cadmium is confirmed to cause cancer in humans.              Cadmium primarily targets the kidneys.

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Wow,  sobering list. Thanks Barbi — Smile…..make people wonder what you’re up too!!! A day without sunshine is like, well, night. ICQ 1024248

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –              AMMONIA              Ammonia possesses a sharp, irritating odor detectable as low as 1 ppm.              At high concentrations, ammonia causes intense irritation, severe eye damage, and asthma.              2-AMINONAPHTHALENE              2-aminonaphthalene causes cancer in humans.              There is no safe exposure limit for 2-aminonaphthalene.              Absorption of 2-aminonaphthalene occurs both by inhalation and through the skin.              Because it causes cancer, the industrial use of 2-aminonaphthalene is restricted or banned.              1-AMINONAPHTHALENE              1-aminonaphthalene has been shown to cause lung, liver and leukemia cancers in animals.              1-aminonaphthalene may cause cancer in humans.              1-aminonaphthalene has been shown to have moderate toxicity in fish.              Absorption occurs both by inhalation and through the skin.              Absorption through the skin may occur without a sense of irritation or other warning.              The main industrial uses of 1-aminonaphthalene include dyes, rubber, and weed control.              4-AMINOBIPHENYL              4-aminobiphenyl is confirmed to cause cancer in humans.              The carcinogenic nature of 4-aminobiphenyl has been known since at least 1974.              This chemical has been called ‘one of the most potent known bladder carcinogens’.              There is no known safe level of 4-aminobiphenyl.              Absorption occurs through the skin.              4-aminobiphenyl is no longer produced on a commercial scale for use in industry.              3-AMINOBIPHENYL              3-aminobiphenyl is a mutagen, and causes mutation in microorganisms.              BENZO[a]PYRENE              Benzo[a]pyrene (B[a]P) is suspected to cause cancer in humans.              There is a significant correlation between B[a]P exposure and lung cancer mortality.              B[a]P was found to cause cancer in animals and fish in every study to date.              Animal studies showed that as low a dose as 0.05 mg B[a]P caused tumors.              B[a]P deposits in the lung. Elimination of B[a]P from the lung is severely restricted by cigarette smoking.              Cancer is more likely to occur with repeated B[a]P exposures than with a single dose of the same amount.              B[a]P exposure may also cause skin cancer, dermatitis, photoallergy, non-neoplastic respiratory disease and              emphysema.              Exposure to B[a]P results in decreased reproductive capacity for both males and females.              Absorption of B[a]P also occurs through the skin.              FORMALDEHYDE              Formaldehyde is suspected to cause cancer in humans.              Formaldehyde occurs naturally at 0.12 to 0.38 parts per BILLION [ppb]. Sidestream smoke increases this by              0.23 to 0.27 parts per MILLION [ppm] (a 1000+ increase).              Long-term exposure at levels greater than 0.1 ppm appears to be a risk for cancers of the lung, pharynx, buccal              cavity, liver, bone, skin, prostate gland, bladder, kidney and eye, leukemia and Hodgkin’s disease.              Animal studies showed formaldehyde is an irritant to eyes, nose, throat and lungs, and causes cellular changes in              the upper respiratory tract, a decrease in respiratory rate, and adversely affects the liver.              Formaldehyde exposure greater than 0.22 ppm is linked to respiratory symptoms such as cough, phlegm, chronic              bronchitis, asthma, shortness of breath and chest colds.              Formaldehyde is known to produce allergic reactions and induction of asthma-like conditions, lightheadedness,              dizziness, diminished dexterity, itching eyes, dry and sore throats, disturbed sleep, unusual thirst, and malignant              disease in humans.              Human eyes are sensitive to formaldehyde at concentrations of 0.01 ppm, and are irritated by formaldehyde at              concentrations of 0.05 to 0.5 ppm.              The main uses of formaldehyde in industry include fertilizer, dyes, disinfectants, germicides, preservatives, and              embalming fluid.              ACETALDEHYDE              Studies have shown that acetaldehyde causes cancer in animals, and may cause cancer in humans.              Small amounts of acetaldehyde irritate the eyes, skin, and respiratory tract of humans and animals.              Animal studies in which pregnant rats were exposed to acetaldehyde found that acetaldehyde interfered with the              exchange of nutrients from the mother to the placenta, resulting in growth retardation, malformation, delayed              bone growth and death of the fetus.              Acetaldehyde may increase the absorption of the other hazardous chemicals in tobacco smoke into the bronchial              tubes.              The main industrial uses of acetaldehyde include silvering of mirrors, leather tanning, fuel, glue, dyes, plastics and              synthetic rubbers.              Acetaldehyde decomposition products include carbon monoxide.              ACETONE              Acetone is an irritant to eyes, nose and throat.              Acetone irritates, dries, and may burn skin.              Absorption occurs both via inhalation and through the skin.              Higher doses can cause dizziness, lightheadedness, damage to the liver and kidneys.              ACROLEIN              Acrolein has not been found to cause cancer. However, in the body, acrolein produces glycidaldehyde which              does cause cancer.              Long term inhalation studies on animals found that acrolein causes emphysema and inflammation of the lung, liver              and kidney.              Acrolein is intensely irritating to the eyes and upper respiratory tract in human and animals. Acrolein is 5 times              stronger an irritant than formaldehyde, acetaldehyde or crotonaldehyde (all of which are found in tobacco              smoke).              The main industrial uses of acrolein include polyurethane manufacture, polyester resins, herbicides and tear gas.              PROPIONALDEHYDE              Inhalation of propionaldehyde causes severe irritation of the respiratory system.              Propionaldehyde causes irritation to skin and eyes.              CROTONALDEHYDE              Crotonaldehyde is known to cause cancer in animals.              Crotonaldehyde causes cancer by interfering with DNA function (a genotoxic carcinogen).              Crotonaldehyde is a fast-acting (within seconds) irritant to the nose and upper respiratory tract.              The main use of crotonaldehyde in industry is as a warning agent in fuel gases.              METHYL ETHYL KETONE              Methyl ethyl ketone causes nose, throat, and eye irritation in humans at moderate levels.              The odor of methyl ethyl ketone is detectable at 10 ppm.              The main uses of methyl ethyl ketone in industry include solvents, resins, artificial leather, rubbers, lacquers,              varnishes and glues.              BUTYRALDEHYDE              Butyraldehyde is an irritant to eyes, nose, throat and lungs.              Higher doses of butyraldehyde causes dizziness and lightheadedness, and may burn skin.              The main industrial uses of butyraldehyde include resins, solvents and plasticizers.              HYDROGEN CYANIDE              Hydrogen cyanide causes nasal irritation, confusion, headache, dizziness, weakness and nausea in humans at              moderate doses.              At higher doses, hydrogen cyanide causes asthenia, vertigo, loss of weight and gastrointestinal problems.              The main uses of hydrogen cyanide in industry include fumigation, as an insecticide, electroplating, metallurgy and              photography.              NICKEL              Inhalable, insoluble nickel is confirmed to cause cancer in humans.              Up to 5% of the general population are sensitized (allergic) to nickel.              Nickel inhalation increases the risk of cancer or of gastrointestinal symptoms.              Exposure to inhalable nickel may result in chronic irritation of the upper respiratory tract or bronchial asthma.              Nickel inhalation exposure increases susceptibility to respiratory infection, allergic contact dermatitis, and              pulmonary edema.              The main uses of nickel in industry include production of stainless steel, alloys, electroplating, coinage, and              alkaline batteries.              LEAD              Lead is known to cause cancer in animals.              Lead may cause cancer in humans.              Lead is toxic, and soluble in body fluids when inhaled.              Lead interacts with enzymes, especially those associated with heme synthesis (blood).              Absorption of low levels of lead causes an increase in blood pressure in humans.              Lead causes anemia at blood levels above 80 ug/dl.              Lead poisoning effects on the brain may not be reversible.              Long term exposure to lead may lead to kidney disease.              Lead is a possible Reproductive Toxin.

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             AMMONIA              Ammonia possesses a sharp, irritating odor detectable as low as 1 ppm.              At high concentrations, ammonia causes intense irritation, severe eye damage, and asthma.              2-AMINONAPHTHALENE              2-aminonaphthalene causes cancer in humans.              There is no safe exposure limit for 2-aminonaphthalene.              Absorption of 2-aminonaphthalene occurs both by inhalation and through the skin.              Because it causes cancer, the industrial use of 2-aminonaphthalene is restricted or banned.              1-AMINONAPHTHALENE              1-aminonaphthalene has been shown to cause lung, liver and leukemia cancers in animals.              1-aminonaphthalene may cause cancer in humans.              1-aminonaphthalene has been shown to have moderate toxicity in fish.              Absorption occurs both by inhalation and through the skin.              Absorption through the skin may occur without a sense of irritation or other warning.              The main industrial uses of 1-aminonaphthalene include dyes, rubber, and weed control.              4-AMINOBIPHENYL              4-aminobiphenyl is confirmed to cause cancer in humans.              The carcinogenic nature of 4-aminobiphenyl has been known since at least 1974.              This chemical has been called ‘one of the most potent known bladder carcinogens’.              There is no known safe level of 4-aminobiphenyl.              Absorption occurs through the skin.              4-aminobiphenyl is no longer produced on a commercial scale for use in industry.              3-AMINOBIPHENYL              3-aminobiphenyl is a mutagen, and causes mutation in microorganisms.              BENZO[a]PYRENE              Benzo[a]pyrene (B[a]P) is suspected to cause cancer in humans.              There is a significant correlation between B[a]P exposure and lung cancer mortality.              B[a]P was found to cause cancer in animals and fish in every study to date.              Animal studies showed that as low a dose as 0.05 mg B[a]P caused tumors.              B[a]P deposits in the lung. Elimination of B[a]P from the lung is severely restricted by cigarette smoking.              Cancer is more likely to occur with repeated B[a]P exposures than with a single dose of the same amount.              B[a]P exposure may also cause skin cancer, dermatitis, photoallergy, non-neoplastic respiratory disease and              emphysema.              Exposure to B[a]P results in decreased reproductive capacity for both males and females.              Absorption of B[a]P also occurs through the skin.              FORMALDEHYDE              Formaldehyde is suspected to cause cancer in humans.              Formaldehyde occurs naturally at 0.12 to 0.38 parts per BILLION [ppb]. Sidestream smoke increases this by              0.23 to 0.27 parts per MILLION [ppm] (a 1000+ increase).              Long-term exposure at levels greater than 0.1 ppm appears to be a risk for cancers of the lung, pharynx, buccal              cavity, liver, bone, skin, prostate gland, bladder, kidney and eye, leukemia and Hodgkin’s disease.              Animal studies showed formaldehyde is an irritant to eyes, nose, throat and lungs, and causes cellular changes in              the upper respiratory tract, a decrease in respiratory rate, and adversely affects the liver.              Formaldehyde exposure greater than 0.22 ppm is linked to respiratory symptoms such as cough, phlegm, chronic              bronchitis, asthma, shortness of breath and chest colds.              Formaldehyde is known to produce allergic reactions and induction of asthma-like conditions, lightheadedness,              dizziness, diminished dexterity, itching eyes, dry and sore throats, disturbed sleep, unusual thirst, and malignant              disease in humans.              Human eyes are sensitive to formaldehyde at concentrations of 0.01 ppm, and are irritated by formaldehyde at              concentrations of 0.05 to 0.5 ppm.              The main uses of formaldehyde in industry include fertilizer, dyes, disinfectants, germicides, preservatives, and              embalming fluid.              ACETALDEHYDE              Studies have shown that acetaldehyde causes cancer in animals, and may cause cancer in humans.              Small amounts of acetaldehyde irritate the eyes, skin, and respiratory tract of humans and animals.              Animal studies in which pregnant rats were exposed to acetaldehyde found that acetaldehyde interfered with the              exchange of nutrients from the mother to the placenta, resulting in growth retardation, malformation, delayed              bone growth and death of the fetus.              Acetaldehyde may increase the absorption of the other hazardous chemicals in tobacco smoke into the bronchial              tubes.              The main industrial uses of acetaldehyde include silvering of mirrors, leather tanning, fuel, glue, dyes, plastics and              synthetic rubbers.              Acetaldehyde decomposition products include carbon monoxide.              ACETONE              Acetone is an irritant to eyes, nose and throat.              Acetone irritates, dries, and may burn skin.              Absorption occurs both via inhalation and through the skin.              Higher doses can cause dizziness, lightheadedness, damage to the liver and kidneys.              ACROLEIN              Acrolein has not been found to cause cancer. However, in the body, acrolein produces glycidaldehyde which              does cause cancer.              Long term inhalation studies on animals found that acrolein causes emphysema and inflammation of the lung, liver              and kidney.              Acrolein is intensely irritating to the eyes and upper respiratory tract in human and animals. Acrolein is 5 times              stronger an irritant than formaldehyde, acetaldehyde or crotonaldehyde (all of which are found in tobacco              smoke).              The main industrial uses of acrolein include polyurethane manufacture, polyester resins, herbicides and tear gas.              PROPIONALDEHYDE              Inhalation of propionaldehyde causes severe irritation of the respiratory system.              Propionaldehyde causes irritation to skin and eyes.              CROTONALDEHYDE              Crotonaldehyde is known to cause cancer in animals.              Crotonaldehyde causes cancer by interfering with DNA function (a genotoxic carcinogen).              Crotonaldehyde is a fast-acting (within seconds) irritant to the nose and upper respiratory tract.              The main use of crotonaldehyde in industry is as a warning agent in fuel gases.              METHYL ETHYL KETONE              Methyl ethyl ketone causes nose, throat, and eye irritation in humans at moderate levels.              The odor of methyl ethyl ketone is detectable at 10 ppm.              The main uses of methyl ethyl ketone in industry include solvents, resins, artificial leather, rubbers, lacquers,              varnishes and glues.              BUTYRALDEHYDE              Butyraldehyde is an irritant to eyes, nose, throat and lungs.              Higher doses of butyraldehyde causes dizziness and lightheadedness, and may burn skin.              The main industrial uses of butyraldehyde include resins, solvents and plasticizers.              HYDROGEN CYANIDE              Hydrogen cyanide causes nasal irritation, confusion, headache, dizziness, weakness and nausea in humans at              moderate doses.              At higher doses, hydrogen cyanide causes asthenia, vertigo, loss of weight and gastrointestinal problems.              The main uses of hydrogen cyanide in industry include fumigation, as an insecticide, electroplating, metallurgy and              photography.              NICKEL              Inhalable, insoluble nickel is confirmed to cause cancer in humans.              Up to 5% of the general population are sensitized (allergic) to nickel.              Nickel inhalation increases the risk of cancer or of gastrointestinal symptoms.              Exposure to inhalable nickel may result in chronic irritation of the upper respiratory tract or bronchial asthma.              Nickel inhalation exposure increases susceptibility to respiratory infection, allergic contact dermatitis, and              pulmonary edema.              The main uses of nickel in industry include production of stainless steel, alloys, electroplating, coinage, and              alkaline batteries.              LEAD              Lead is known to cause cancer in animals.              Lead may cause cancer in humans.              Lead is toxic, and soluble in body fluids when inhaled.              Lead interacts with enzymes, especially those associated with heme synthesis (blood).              Absorption of low levels of lead causes an increase in blood pressure in humans.              Lead causes anemia at blood levels above 80 ug/dl.              Lead poisoning effects on the brain may not be reversible.              Long term exposure to lead may lead to kidney disease.              Lead is a possible Reproductive Toxin.              Lead may affect sperm formation (at greater than 11.9 ug/dl blood lead).              Lead exposure affects the development of fetuses. Children who were exposed to blood lead levels of greater              than 10 ug/dl in the womb have been found to have developmental effects such as depressed intellectual              development.              Air to blood lead levels: 0.03 to 0.19 ug/dl blood per mg/m3 of lead in air.              The main uses of lead in industry include alloys (solder, bronze, brass), paint pigments, storage batteries, glass,              plastics, ceramics.              CADMIUM              Cadmium is confirmed to cause cancer in humans.              Cadmium primarily targets the kidneys.

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Wow,  sobering list. Thanks Barbi — Smile…..make people wonder what you’re up too!!! A day without sunshine is like, well, night. ICQ 1024248

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –              AMMONIA              Ammonia possesses a sharp, irritating odor detectable as low as 1 ppm.              At high concentrations, ammonia causes intense irritation, severe eye damage, and asthma.              2-AMINONAPHTHALENE              2-aminonaphthalene causes cancer in humans.              There is no safe exposure limit for 2-aminonaphthalene.              Absorption of 2-aminonaphthalene occurs both by inhalation and through the skin.              Because it causes cancer, the industrial use of 2-aminonaphthalene is restricted or banned.              1-AMINONAPHTHALENE              1-aminonaphthalene has been shown to cause lung, liver and leukemia cancers in animals.              1-aminonaphthalene may cause cancer in humans.              1-aminonaphthalene has been shown to have moderate toxicity in fish.              Absorption occurs both by inhalation and through the skin.              Absorption through the skin may occur without a sense of irritation or other warning.              The main industrial uses of 1-aminonaphthalene include dyes, rubber, and weed control.              4-AMINOBIPHENYL              4-aminobiphenyl is confirmed to cause cancer in humans.              The carcinogenic nature of 4-aminobiphenyl has been known since at least 1974.              This chemical has been called ‘one of the most potent known bladder carcinogens’.              There is no known safe level of 4-aminobiphenyl.              Absorption occurs through the skin.              4-aminobiphenyl is no longer produced on a commercial scale for use in industry.              3-AMINOBIPHENYL              3-aminobiphenyl is a mutagen, and causes mutation in microorganisms.              BENZO[a]PYRENE              Benzo[a]pyrene (B[a]P) is suspected to cause cancer in humans.              There is a significant correlation between B[a]P exposure and lung cancer mortality.              B[a]P was found to cause cancer in animals and fish in every study to date.              Animal studies showed that as low a dose as 0.05 mg B[a]P caused tumors.              B[a]P deposits in the lung. Elimination of B[a]P from the lung is severely restricted by cigarette smoking.              Cancer is more likely to occur with repeated B[a]P exposures than with a single dose of the same amount.              B[a]P exposure may also cause skin cancer, dermatitis, photoallergy, non-neoplastic respiratory disease and              emphysema.              Exposure to B[a]P results in decreased reproductive capacity for both males and females.              Absorption of B[a]P also occurs through the skin.              FORMALDEHYDE              Formaldehyde is suspected to cause cancer in humans.              Formaldehyde occurs naturally at 0.12 to 0.38 parts per BILLION [ppb]. Sidestream smoke increases this by              0.23 to 0.27 parts per MILLION [ppm] (a 1000+ increase).              Long-term exposure at levels greater than 0.1 ppm appears to be a risk for cancers of the lung, pharynx, buccal              cavity, liver, bone, skin, prostate gland, bladder, kidney and eye, leukemia and Hodgkin’s disease.              Animal studies showed formaldehyde is an irritant to eyes, nose, throat and lungs, and causes cellular changes in              the upper respiratory tract, a decrease in respiratory rate, and adversely affects the liver.              Formaldehyde exposure greater than 0.22 ppm is linked to respiratory symptoms such as cough, phlegm, chronic              bronchitis, asthma, shortness of breath and chest colds.              Formaldehyde is known to produce allergic reactions and induction of asthma-like conditions, lightheadedness,              dizziness, diminished dexterity, itching eyes, dry and sore throats, disturbed sleep, unusual thirst, and malignant              disease in humans.              Human eyes are sensitive to formaldehyde at concentrations of 0.01 ppm, and are irritated by formaldehyde at              concentrations of 0.05 to 0.5 ppm.              The main uses of formaldehyde in industry include fertilizer, dyes, disinfectants, germicides, preservatives, and              embalming fluid.              ACETALDEHYDE              Studies have shown that acetaldehyde causes cancer in animals, and may cause cancer in humans.              Small amounts of acetaldehyde irritate the eyes, skin, and respiratory tract of humans and animals.              Animal studies in which pregnant rats were exposed to acetaldehyde found that acetaldehyde interfered with the              exchange of nutrients from the mother to the placenta, resulting in growth retardation, malformation, delayed              bone growth and death of the fetus.              Acetaldehyde may increase the absorption of the other hazardous chemicals in tobacco smoke into the bronchial              tubes.              The main industrial uses of acetaldehyde include silvering of mirrors, leather tanning, fuel, glue, dyes, plastics and              synthetic rubbers.              Acetaldehyde decomposition products include carbon monoxide.              ACETONE              Acetone is an irritant to eyes, nose and throat.              Acetone irritates, dries, and may burn skin.              Absorption occurs both via inhalation and through the skin.              Higher doses can cause dizziness, lightheadedness, damage to the liver and kidneys.              ACROLEIN              Acrolein has not been found to cause cancer. However, in the body, acrolein produces glycidaldehyde which              does cause cancer.              Long term inhalation studies on animals found that acrolein causes emphysema and inflammation of the lung, liver              and kidney.              Acrolein is intensely irritating to the eyes and upper respiratory tract in human and animals. Acrolein is 5 times              stronger an irritant than formaldehyde, acetaldehyde or crotonaldehyde (all of which are found in tobacco              smoke).              The main industrial uses of acrolein include polyurethane manufacture, polyester resins, herbicides and tear gas.              PROPIONALDEHYDE              Inhalation of propionaldehyde causes severe irritation of the respiratory system.              Propionaldehyde causes irritation to skin and eyes.              CROTONALDEHYDE              Crotonaldehyde is known to cause cancer in animals.              Crotonaldehyde causes cancer by interfering with DNA function (a genotoxic carcinogen).              Crotonaldehyde is a fast-acting (within seconds) irritant to the nose and upper respiratory tract.              The main use of crotonaldehyde in industry is as a warning agent in fuel gases.              METHYL ETHYL KETONE              Methyl ethyl ketone causes nose, throat, and eye irritation in humans at moderate levels.              The odor of methyl ethyl ketone is detectable at 10 ppm.              The main uses of methyl ethyl ketone in industry include solvents, resins, artificial leather, rubbers, lacquers,              varnishes and glues.              BUTYRALDEHYDE              Butyraldehyde is an irritant to eyes, nose, throat and lungs.              Higher doses of butyraldehyde causes dizziness and lightheadedness, and may burn skin.              The main industrial uses of butyraldehyde include resins, solvents and plasticizers.              HYDROGEN CYANIDE              Hydrogen cyanide causes nasal irritation, confusion, headache, dizziness, weakness and nausea in humans at              moderate doses.              At higher doses, hydrogen cyanide causes asthenia, vertigo, loss of weight and gastrointestinal problems.              The main uses of hydrogen cyanide in industry include fumigation, as an insecticide, electroplating, metallurgy and              photography.              NICKEL              Inhalable, insoluble nickel is confirmed to cause cancer in humans.              Up to 5% of the general population are sensitized (allergic) to nickel.              Nickel inhalation increases the risk of cancer or of gastrointestinal symptoms.              Exposure to inhalable nickel may result in chronic irritation of the upper respiratory tract or bronchial asthma.              Nickel inhalation exposure increases susceptibility to respiratory infection, allergic contact dermatitis, and              pulmonary edema.              The main uses of nickel in industry include production of stainless steel, alloys, electroplating, coinage, and              alkaline batteries.              LEAD              Lead is known to cause cancer in animals.              Lead may cause cancer in humans.              Lead is toxic, and soluble in body fluids when inhaled.              Lead interacts with enzymes, especially those associated with heme synthesis (blood).              Absorption of low levels of lead causes an increase in blood pressure in humans.              Lead causes anemia at blood levels above 80 ug/dl.              Lead poisoning effects on the brain may not be reversible.              Long term exposure to lead may lead to kidney disease.              Lead is a possible Reproductive Toxin.

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Bloody hell, Gwen! This makes me *so* glad I stopped!!! Ally <phew

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<<Gwen Watson posted a very sobering list of additives found in cigarettes Gwen, GREAT LIST!!! Would you mind if I used it in some form on the Website I’m putting together for Quitters? I think it would be very useful… Thanks, Lane Day 6…

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Wow, I was capable of chemically cleaning, acid-washing, electroplating and polishing cheap jewelry with my insides. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –              AMMONIA              Ammonia possesses a sharp, irritating odor detectable as low as 1 ppm.              At high concentrations, ammonia causes intense irritation, severe eye damage, and asthma.              2-AMINONAPHTHALENE              2-aminonaphthalene causes cancer in humans.              There is no safe exposure limit for 2-aminonaphthalene.              Absorption of 2-aminonaphthalene occurs both by inhalation and through the skin.              Because it causes cancer, the industrial use of 2-aminonaphthalene is restricted or banned.              1-AMINONAPHTHALENE              1-aminonaphthalene has been shown to cause lung, liver and leukemia cancers in animals.              1-aminonaphthalene may cause cancer in humans.              1-aminonaphthalene has been shown to have moderate toxicity in fish.              Absorption occurs both by inhalation and through the skin.              Absorption through the skin may occur without a sense of irritation or other warning.              The main industrial uses of 1-aminonaphthalene include dyes, rubber, and weed control.              4-AMINOBIPHENYL              4-aminobiphenyl is confirmed to cause cancer in humans.              The carcinogenic nature of 4-aminobiphenyl has been known since at least 1974.              This chemical has been called ‘one of the most potent known bladder carcinogens’.              There is no known safe level of 4-aminobiphenyl.              Absorption occurs through the skin.              4-aminobiphenyl is no longer produced on a commercial scale for use in industry.              3-AMINOBIPHENYL              3-aminobiphenyl is a mutagen, and causes mutation in microorganisms.              BENZO[a]PYRENE              Benzo[a]pyrene (B[a]P) is suspected to cause cancer in humans.              There is a significant correlation between B[a]P exposure and lung cancer mortality.              B[a]P was found to cause cancer in animals and fish in every study to date.              Animal studies showed that as low a dose as 0.05 mg B[a]P caused tumors.              B[a]P deposits in the lung. Elimination of B[a]P from the lung is severely restricted by cigarette smoking.              Cancer is more likely to occur with repeated B[a]P exposures than with a single dose of the same amount.              B[a]P exposure may also cause skin cancer, dermatitis, photoallergy, non-neoplastic respiratory disease and              emphysema.              Exposure to B[a]P results in decreased reproductive capacity for both males and females.              Absorption of B[a]P also occurs through the skin.              FORMALDEHYDE              Formaldehyde is suspected to cause cancer in humans.              Formaldehyde occurs naturally at 0.12 to 0.38 parts per BILLION [ppb]. Sidestream smoke increases this by              0.23 to 0.27 parts per MILLION [ppm] (a 1000+ increase).              Long-term exposure at levels greater than 0.1 ppm appears to be a risk for cancers of the lung, pharynx, buccal              cavity, liver, bone, skin, prostate gland, bladder, kidney and eye, leukemia and Hodgkin’s disease.              Animal studies showed formaldehyde is an irritant to eyes, nose, throat and lungs, and causes cellular changes in              the upper respiratory tract, a decrease in respiratory rate, and adversely affects the liver.              Formaldehyde exposure greater than 0.22 ppm is linked to respiratory symptoms such as cough, phlegm, chronic              bronchitis, asthma, shortness of breath and chest colds.              Formaldehyde is known to produce allergic reactions and induction of asthma-like conditions, lightheadedness,              dizziness, diminished dexterity, itching eyes, dry and sore throats, disturbed sleep, unusual thirst, and malignant              disease in humans.              Human eyes are sensitive to formaldehyde at concentrations of 0.01 ppm, and are irritated by formaldehyde at              concentrations of 0.05 to 0.5 ppm.              The main uses of formaldehyde in industry include fertilizer, dyes, disinfectants, germicides, preservatives, and              embalming fluid.              ACETALDEHYDE              Studies have shown that acetaldehyde causes cancer in animals, and may cause cancer in humans.              Small amounts of acetaldehyde irritate the eyes, skin, and respiratory tract of humans and animals.              Animal studies in which pregnant rats were exposed to acetaldehyde found that acetaldehyde interfered with the              exchange of nutrients from the mother to the placenta, resulting in growth retardation, malformation, delayed              bone growth and death of the fetus.              Acetaldehyde may increase the absorption of the other hazardous chemicals in tobacco smoke into the bronchial              tubes.              The main industrial uses of acetaldehyde include silvering of mirrors, leather tanning, fuel, glue, dyes, plastics and              synthetic rubbers.              Acetaldehyde decomposition products include carbon monoxide.              ACETONE              Acetone is an irritant to eyes, nose and throat.              Acetone irritates, dries, and may burn skin.              Absorption occurs both via inhalation and through the skin.              Higher doses can cause dizziness, lightheadedness, damage to the liver and kidneys.              ACROLEIN              Acrolein has not been found to cause cancer. However, in the body, acrolein produces glycidaldehyde which              does cause cancer.              Long term inhalation studies on animals found that acrolein causes emphysema and inflammation of the lung, liver              and kidney.              Acrolein is intensely irritating to the eyes and upper respiratory tract in human and animals. Acrolein is 5 times              stronger an irritant than formaldehyde, acetaldehyde or crotonaldehyde (all of which are found in tobacco              smoke).              The main industrial uses of acrolein include polyurethane manufacture, polyester resins, herbicides and tear gas.              PROPIONALDEHYDE              Inhalation of propionaldehyde causes severe irritation of the respiratory system.              Propionaldehyde causes irritation to skin and eyes.              CROTONALDEHYDE              Crotonaldehyde is known to cause cancer in animals.              Crotonaldehyde causes cancer by interfering with DNA function (a genotoxic carcinogen).              Crotonaldehyde is a fast-acting (within seconds) irritant to the nose and upper respiratory tract.              The main use of crotonaldehyde in industry is as a warning agent in fuel gases.              METHYL ETHYL KETONE              Methyl ethyl ketone causes nose, throat, and eye irritation in humans at moderate levels.              The odor of methyl ethyl ketone is detectable at 10 ppm.              The main uses of methyl ethyl ketone in industry include solvents, resins, artificial leather, rubbers, lacquers,              varnishes and glues.              BUTYRALDEHYDE              Butyraldehyde is an irritant to eyes, nose, throat and lungs.              Higher doses of butyraldehyde causes dizziness and lightheadedness, and may burn skin.              The main industrial uses of butyraldehyde include resins, solvents and plasticizers.              HYDROGEN CYANIDE              Hydrogen cyanide causes nasal irritation, confusion, headache, dizziness, weakness and nausea in humans at              moderate doses.              At higher doses, hydrogen cyanide causes asthenia, vertigo, loss of weight and gastrointestinal problems.              The main uses of hydrogen cyanide in industry include fumigation, as an insecticide, electroplating, metallurgy and              photography.              NICKEL              Inhalable, insoluble nickel is confirmed to cause cancer in humans.              Up to 5% of the general population are sensitized (allergic) to nickel.              Nickel inhalation increases the risk of cancer or of gastrointestinal symptoms.              Exposure to inhalable nickel may result in chronic irritation of the upper respiratory tract or bronchial asthma.              Nickel inhalation exposure increases susceptibility to respiratory infection, allergic contact dermatitis, and              pulmonary edema.              The main uses of nickel in industry include production of stainless steel, alloys, electroplating, coinage, and              alkaline batteries.              LEAD              Lead is known to cause cancer in animals.              Lead may cause cancer in humans.              Lead is toxic, and soluble in body fluids when inhaled.              Lead interacts with enzymes, especially those associated with heme synthesis (blood).              Absorption of low levels of lead causes an increase in blood pressure in humans.              Lead causes anemia at blood levels above 80

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I do know what’s in the product.  And I’m not trying to sell anyone anything.  I just know that my sister in law works in a medical clinic and with inhalators, prescriptions, Flonase, etc. etc. etc., I was not getting the results.  Take it for what it’s worth.  I don’t have to convince anyone of anything.  Check it out or not. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ran across a site on the net http://www.danielchapterone.com. I called their radio show and got GREAT advise. I started taking their Herbal Blast, GDU 4000 with Bromelain and Quercitin, and Fenugreek Plus (sometimes FGC–similar) and within a week what the mega-antibiotics couldn’t take care of, I was healed.  No joke.  The stuff works.  I keep it on hand all the time and use it whenever necessary. So you get your health advice from radio shows and from people trying to sell you a product.  Are you really sure that this is a good idea? BTW, do you know what drugs are in those products – and what their side effects and long term effects are? "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find."    General Colin Powell

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This is the most slimy of cons, trying to  scare parents about their kids health.

Fairly common tactic around here, unfortunately. No matter how much bleach you pour into their part of the gene pool, the slime keeps on coming back Chris — Chris King

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I do know what’s in the product.  And I’m not trying to sell anyone anything.  I just know that my sister in law works in a medical clinic and with inhalators, prescriptions, Flonase, etc. etc. etc., I was not getting the results.  Take it for what it’s worth.  I don’t have to convince anyone of anything.  Check it out or not.

My concern is that you are recommending we take unknown drugs in unknown dosages. FYI, herbs work because they contain drugs.   "Keep looking below surface appearances. Don’t shrink from doing so (just) because you might not like what you find."    General Colin Powell

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I was healed.  No joke.  The stuff works.  I keep it on hand all the time and use it whenever necessary.

If you were healed why are there still times you need it? Every case is different, but especially for kids

This is the most slimy of cons, trying to  scare parents about their kids health.

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I get colds occasionally as well.  Don’t you?  Haven’t found a remedy for skepticism. It’s easy to scoff.  I just know what works for me.  You have to make your own choices. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was healed.  No joke.  The stuff works.  I keep it on hand all the time and use it whenever necessary. If you were healed why are there still times you need it? Every case is different, but especially for kids This is the most slimy of cons, trying to  scare parents about their kids health.

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I was healed.  No joke.

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Dear Nestora, the Breathe.ease formula  (sinus-relief.com/breathe.ease.html ) has been beneficial to persons post many sinus surgeries. Would like to send you a bottle  - courtesy. Please send you mailing address to entcons…@aol.com Best wishes, Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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  entcons…@aol.com (ENTconsult) wrote: > Dear Nestora, > the Breathe.ease formula  (sinus-relief.com/breathe.ease.html ) has been > beneficial to persons post many sinus surgeries. Would like to send you a > bottle  - courtesy. > Please send you mailing address to > entcons…@aol.com > Best wishes, > Murray Grossan, M.D. > http://www.ent-consult.com

========= Dear Dr. Grossan, Thank-you so much –you DID already send me a free sample about 3 weeks ago–of the Breathe.ease formula. I have been using it every day and I LOVE it. I think it is the reason I now feel as though I can get by with fewer irrigations. I like the handy measuring spoons that come with it and the small spray bottle that is included. Best of all is the clear feeling afterwards for hours and hours. Every sinus sufferer should try your Breathe.ease formula– especially the ones who’ve had sinus surgery.  I am going to order some of the Breathe.ease formula from your website right now. Thanks again. Nestora Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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  doxy…@waterw.com wrote: > Thank you everyone – Reid, Dr. Grossan, Mike and Nestora!  You convinced me, > tsp salt) was gone.Yes, it did feel great! I ran, not walked, to the phone > and ordered the Grossan Tip, and I cannot wait to add pulsatile action to > what I have already learned how to do with the bulb syringe. > Thank you for your excellent and convincing posts. I feel like I am on my way > now with an effective maintenance plan for the first time in my life. Thank you!

============ You are welcome. My sinus health has been mostly good since ‘97-as I said– and I wash my nose at least twice a day even tho I feel great. I know Dr. Grossan says that you do not need to continue with irrigation if all is going well. I don’t think it does me any harm to continue it. Actually, there are some days I feel as though I could skip one irrigtion and get by with just a single nose rinse and I may try doing that this year to see how it goes. My case is different. I have had 3 sinus surgeries and so I have lost cilia (on the left side only). I see you are asking Dr Grossan on another thread about irrigating when all is going well and he will answer you I am sure but I feel preventive irrigating is necessary for a person (like me) who is prone to chronic sinusitis. I know I have had NO MORE sinus headaches and much FEWER colds since irrigation became a part of my life. Let us know how you do with the Grossan tip. best wishes Nestora Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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PROBLEM: A lifetime of annoying subtle symptoms – thick post nasal drip, offensive breath, congestion, pressure, etc. It’s amazing what we can talk ourselves into living with, but lurking here opened my eyes. Finally had enough – read the FAQ, and took notes from the doctors’ web sites, so when I made an appt. with my family doctor, I knew what kind of treatment to seek. He agreed to everything I asked for except to say he also wanted a CAT scan (report not back yet) and could not recommend irrigation because he was not familiar with it. DIAGNOSIS: Chronic sinusitis/infection of many years duration IMMEDIATE TREATMENT: Augmentin 500 (2 weeks),  Entex (decongestant/expectorant), Rhinocort Aqua (1 spray ea. nostril – 1x/day) CURRENTLY: After 2 weeks things were better, but I felt I needed more Augmentin 500 so doctor renewed it for 10 days. I have 4 days left. Things are even better now after 2 1/2 weeks (bad taste improving and ugly post nasal drip is lessening) but I wonder if I still need more.  Still taking Entex and using Rhinocort Aqua at the dose mentioned above. QUESTIONS: Is Augmentin 500 for 24 days likely to kill a chronic, long-standing infection? After reading product literature for Rhinocort Aqua, it seems that the dose I was prescribed (1 spray ea. nostril – 1x per day) is very light. What is the average maintenance dose? I’ve been awakening in the middle of the night with sinus pressure…am wondering if a larger dose would help. MAINTENANCE: Staying on Rhinocort Aqua and will consider irrigation. Once off Augmentin 500, should I go off Entex as well? Thank you in advance.

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On Mon, 08 May 2000 09:47:24 -0400, doxy…@waterw.com wrote: >…Staying on Rhinocort Aqua and will consider irrigation…

Sounds to me, a lay person, like you’re doing all the right things with the exception of irrigation (you could also increase the number of sprays of Rhinocort Aqua to two in each nostril though I’d check with your doctor first). About irrigation, a lot of doctors still don’t know much about it or regard it as unproven folk medicine. It works by helping to restore your sinuses to healthy functioning and by buttressing their attempts to rid bacteria, viruses, etc. Dr. Grossan probably has some cites he could give your ENT to convince him. There are other self-help things to try, mentioned in the FAQ.

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suggest you download some of the references re using irrigation to show your doctor. At Tower ENT – a 3 person ENT practice we see many patients in whom long term antibiotic therapy alone wasn’t sufficient. Here is just a short version of some of the medial journal articles. More recommendations are at www.ent-consult.com Medical Management of Rhinitis, Fadal R. English: Otolaryngology Vol 2:Ch 13 The principal benefits from saline irrigation include: 1. Augments mucociliary flow 2 Liquefies tenacious mucus 3. Soothes irritated tissues 4. Removes crusts and microforeign bodies 5. Augments tissue repair 6. Reduces forceful noseblowing 7. Improves olfaction. ************************************ Therapeutic Agents In The Medical Management Of Sinusitis, Mabry, R.L. In: Inflammatory diseases of the sinuses. Otolaryngologic Clinics Of North America, Volume 26, Number 4, pp 561, 1993. Not only is the Grossan Sinus Irrigator beneficial for patients with bothersome thick postnasal secretions, but is especially helpful for postoperative cleansing following nasal surgery. ************************** Sinusitis: Acute, Chronic and Mangegeable, Rachelevsky G S, Slavin R G et all. Patient Care. Feb 28, 1997 Vol 131:4. "A particularly helpful stratergy is salilne washing using a a Water Pik Sinus irrigator is so effective in clearing the blocked passages that , if it is done regularly, some patients with persisitent or chronic sinusitis need no drug treatment at all. ********************************* A Device for Nasal Irrigation, GrossanM Transactions of the American Academy of Ophthalmology and Otolaryngology. 78: July 1974 279-280 An easy method of sinus treatment at home or office. With this device the patient can leave the office with the bacterial load reduced, hence requires less antibiotic  and much greater patient satisfaction. **************************** Sinusitis: Bench to Bedside, Kaliner MA et al. Otolaryngology June 97 116:6 Part 2 Study of Sinusits. Water Pik pulsatile sinus irrigation is recommended as a treatment for sinusitis, and as a supplement to other treatment modalities. *************************** The Complete Self-Care Guide to Holistic  Medicine by Robert Ivker 1999 "Nasal Irrigation with salt water using a Grossan nasal attachment to a  Water Pik is extremely helpful for flushing infected sinuses or cleansing the membranes of the nose and sinuses." ************************** A New Nasal Irrigator Device. Grossan M. The Eye, Ear Nose And Throat Monthly. March 1974 Application of pulsatile irrigation for post nasal drip and phlegm ***************************** A Device To Aid Nasal Mucociliary Flow, Grossan A.N.L. March 1976 pp 65-70. In Japan there is a very high incidence of sinusitis requiring surgery. Pulsatile irrigation is helps to avoid surgery by restoring natural cilia pulsation and natural resistance. *********************************** Office Measurement of Nasal Mucociliary Clearance, Grossan, M. English: Otolaryngology 1994 Vol 2 ch 7 The saccharin test is an objective measure of one very important aspect of the respiratory defense system. Many diagnostic dilemmas are solved using this test. The nasal test reflects the chest condition. Using pulsatile irrigation, one can improve both. ************************* Treatment of Sinusitis in the Next Millennium, Kaliner, M. Allergy and Asthma Proceedings, 19:181-4, 1998 Saline irrigation with Water Pik and sinus adaptor is an effective non-drug treatment for sinusitis ******************************** Nasal Hyperthermia and Simple Saline Irrigation for Perennial Rhinitis, Changes in Inflammatory Mediators, Georgitis JW. Chest 106:1487 – 82, 1994 Saline irrigation with Water Pik and Grossan adaptor reduces significantly the presence of mediatiores of inflammation in the nasal exudate six hours after treatment. ******************************** Sinus Survival, Ivker R., Putman Publication 1995. Pulsating irrigation is shown to remove pus and allow for natural, holistic healing. ******************************* A Device for Nasal Irrigation, Grossan, M. Transactions of the American Academy of Ophthalmology and Otolaryngology. 78: July 1974 279-280. Nasal irrigation is found to be an easy method of sinus treatment at home or office. With this device the patient can leave the office with the bacterial load reduced, hence requiring less antibiotic and producing greater patient satisfaction. ******************************** Pulsation Irrigation: a Simple, Safe Effective Treatment of Many Nasal Complaints, Pope, A., O.R.L. Digest August 1974 15:8 pp 3638. Pulsatile nasal irrigation is reccommended as a simple safe treatment for many sinus, ear and allergy complaints. High patient acceptance and enthusiasm is reported with excellent theraputic results, often without antibiotic or medication. **************************** A New Nasal Irrigator Device, Grossan, M., The Eye, Ear Nose and Throat Monthly, March 1974. Application of pulsatile irrigation for post nasal drip and phlegm is described. ******************************* Pediatric sinusitis, Manning, Scott, C., In: Inflammatory Diseases of the Sinuses. Otolaryngologic Clinics of North America. Volume 26, Number 4, pp 623-638 (1993). Pulsatile irrigation works for children, even without antibiotics. ****************************** Irrigation of the Child’s Nose, Grossan, M., Clinical Pediatrics, March 1974 13:3 229-231. Children with sinusitis, post nasal drip or nasal blockage use pulsatile nasal irrigation at age 5 or older. By removing discharge, adenoid and tonsil hypertrophy were reduced. Irrigation was also found to be an aid to clearing the ear. ********************************                               Rhinitis Rhinitis And Nasal Obstruction, Lucente, F.E. In: Nasal Obstruction. Otolaryngologic Clinics Of North America, Volume 22, Number 2, pp 307, 1989. The Water Pik

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British Medical Journal BMJ 1997;315:115-117 (12 July) Education and debate Health in China: Traditional Chinese medicine: one country, two systems Therese Hesketh, research fellow, a Wei Xing Zhu, programme manager, East Asia b a Centre for International Child Health, London WC1 N1EH, b Health Unlimited, London SE1 9NT Correspondence to: Dr Hesketh Summary China is the only country in the world where Western medicine and traditional medicine are practised alongside each other at every level of the healthcare system. Traditional Chinese medicine has a unique theoretical and practical approach to the treatment of disease, which has developed over thousands of years. Traditional treatments include herbal remedies, acupuncture, acupressure and massage, and moxibustion. They account for around 40% of all health care delivered in China. The current government policy of expansion of traditional facilities and manpower is being questioned because many hospitals using traditional Chinese medicine are already underutilised and depend on government subsidies for survival. Research priorities include randomised controlled trials of common treatments and analysis of the active agents in herbal remedies. As more studies show the clinical effectiveness of traditional Chinese medicine, an integrated approach to disease using a combination of Western medicine and traditional approaches becomes a possibility for the future. An ancient textbook Over thousands of years traditional Chinese medicine has developed a theoretical and practical approach to the treatment and prevention of disease. The first documented source of Chinese medical theory, the Huangdi Nei Jing ("Inner Classic of the Yellow Emperor") was written between 300 BC and 100 BC. It describes the diagnosis and treatment of a huge range of disorders and gives advice about healthy lifestyles, exercise, and diet which conforms remarkably well with current recommendations for the prevention of chronic disease. There is also accurate dietary advice about how to avoid micronutrient deficiency diseases such as beri-beri, xerophthalmia, and goitre.1 As with most forms of traditional medicine, the theoretical and diagnostic basis of traditional Chinese medicine cannot be explained in terms of Western anatomy and physiology. It is rooted in the philosophy, logic, and beliefs of a different civilisation and leads to a perception of health and disease that is alien to Western scientific thinking. But it is an entirely coherent system, with internal logic and consistency of thought and practice. In the early 1950s it was feared that traditional Chinese medicine would be superseded by the "more modern" Western medicine. To counter this, a systematic assessment of the effectiveness of the traditional treatments was thought necessary. So thousands of experiments and clinical studies were carried out during the 1950s. Most were case series of patients with a specific Western disease who were then treated with traditional techniques-for example, a series of 112 cases treated for angina pectoris and another of 121 cases of bronchial asthma treated with subcutaneous acupuncture. The result of all this research activity was that in 1958 it was declared that traditional Chinese medicine and Western medicine should be given equal respect and place in the healthcare system. 1 Since then there has been a consistent policy of support for the traditional system. The treatments The main traditional treatments are herbal remedies, acupuncture, acupressure and massage, and moxibustion. Acupuncture and herbal medicine are most widely used. The basic idea of acupuncture is that the insertion of fine needles into certain points can restore internal balance; it is the internal imbalance which leads to illness. Each acupuncture point has a defined therapeutic action, and a range of points is usually used. Acupressure simply means applying pressure to the acupuncture points, and moxibustion means applying heat to them. In the West acupuncture has become associated with analgesia, its appeal being increased by plausible biological mechanisms for its action (such as the gate theory and endorphin release). It also gained fame for its use in operative anaesthesia, but it is rarely used for this now. Herbs are used much more commonly than acupuncture. The first pharmacopoeia was written at the time of the Nei Jing. The substances used range from herbs and minerals to rather strange animal products such as cows’ gallstones or parotid gland secretions. The traditional doctor usually chooses from around 500 common classical prescriptions. Typically these are combinations of some five to 15 herbs that are boiled up together to make a drink.1 Nowadays many formulations are available in the more convenient form of tablets, capsules, and ampoules. The pharmaceutical industry is booming: sales of Chinese medicine increased by 52% between 1988 and 1992 (and sales of Western medicine increased by 51%).2 The licensing of drugs and official regulation of their sale is equally stringent for Western and Chinese medicines. But in these days of the market economy, unregulated medicines are widely sold and many products are available over the counter. It is estimated that only 20% of China’s hospitals buy medicines from licensed state wholesalers, because the black market products are much cheaper.3 Two systems of medicine China is the only country in the world where Western medicine and the traditional medicine work alongside each other at every level of the healthcare system. Traditional Chinese medicine has its own department at the Ministry of Public Health and at provincial and county Bureaus of Public Health. It has its own medical schools, hospitals, and research institutes. Overall, it is estimated that 40% of health care in China is based on traditional Chinese medicine, with a higher proportion in rural areas.2 This figure does not include the massive amount of self medication with traditional drugs, which are used not only to treat illness but also as health promoting drugs, ranging from nutritional supplements and tonics to aphrodisiacs. Every city has a hospital practising traditional Chinese medicine, and there is a plan for every county to have one. In 95% of the hospitals practising Western medicine there are departments of traditional Chinese medicine, most with inpatient beds; when patients arrive at the outpatient department they can opt for Chinese or Western treatment. In Jiangsu province, one of the richer, more sophisticated eastern provinces, one quarter of all outpatients in one year (10 million) had opted for traditional treatment.4 The collaboration between the two systems is well illustrated by the fact that in Western medicine hospitals around 40% of the medicines prescribed are traditional. Similarly, in the traditional hospitals 40% of all prescribed drugs are Western medicine.3 At township and village levels, doctors often prescribe both types of treatment simultaneously, without apparent contradiction. A survey carried out in two village health clinics in Zhejiang province showed that children with upper respiratory tract infections were being prescribed an average of four separate drugs, always a combination of Western and Chinese.5 Training in traditional Chinese medicine varies from family apprenticeships to three to five year university training at a college of traditional Chinese medicine, though the educational standard of these undergraduates is generally lower than their counterparts at the Western medical schools. All Western medical schools devote around 10-15% of curriculum time to traditional Chinese medicine, so all doctors have some traditional training. Nurses too are trained in both and many perform acupuncture and acupressure independently. Expansion of traditional Chinese medicine Central government continues to have a policy for expansion of traditional Chinese medicine. An increase in the number of traditional doctors is one of the priorities for manpower development; their number continues to increase and is now over 300 000. In addition, 20% of the planned increase in hospital beds is to be for traditional Chinese medicine6; since 1985 there has been an annual increase of 8% in inpatient beds.3 But the wisdom of this planned expansion is being questioned, especially with the pressures of the healthcare market. Many traditional hospitals operate at a deficit. The better equipped Western hospitals, with their better qualified staff, attract more patients. In addition, traditional Chinese medicine is largely an outpatient, low technology specialty, so most of the income of traditional hospitals comes from the sale of drugs. Even with the 25% markup allowed, it is hard to cover operational costs. Government subsidies currently ensure survival, but there is no surplus for improving services. A study of six traditional hospitals at county level in Jiangxi province found them all to be to be underutilised and overstaffed.3 The authors questioned the wisdom of continuing the support and expansion of traditional hospitals, which it seems is being done to protect the specialty rather than to meet need. Resources would be more efficiently used by strengthening the traditional Chinese medicine departments in Western medicine hospitals, where support services are better. This would reduce dependence on government subsidies and improve efficiency.3 Research priorities Traditional Chinese medicine has become a source of great interest to the international research community. It is acknowledged that many of the treatments have enormous potential and could be utilised more widely. With this in view, research is essential in a number of areas. Firstly, randomised controlled trials are needed to establish the effectiveness and safety of treatments. There is still a real shortage of controlled trials of the effectiveness of traditional Chinese medicine and there … read more »

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The FDA approval would be an excellent suggestion if they would be a little more efficient in putting their approval on new drug applications. .

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The FDA approval would be an excellent suggestion if they would be a little more efficient in putting their approval on new drug applications.

And then they would be criticized for ‘rushing’ the approval process and allowing questionable drugs to reach the market. It’s a terrible responsibility – but somebody has to be the Americans.

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The FDA approval would be an excellent suggestion if they would be a little more efficient in putting their approval on new drug applications. And then they would be criticized for ‘rushing’ the approval process and allowing questionable drugs to reach the market. Well, it hasn’t stopped them in the past. For example, the FDA rushed through one of the most dangerous and toxic drugs ever approved–AZT, the AIDS drug. It was approved even though there was no proof that it was safe or effective.

The rules are different for diseases which are untreatable and result in death.  How many drugs have they done this for that did not treat very serious diseases with no existing treatment? Many scientists claim that the drug actually made people sicker and accelerated death.

And is this a larger or a smaller number than those who think otherwise? BTW, what are you doing here?  You seem to ask a lot of questions but have already decided on your answers. It’s a terrible responsibility – but somebody has to be the Americans.

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The FDA approval would be an excellent suggestion if they would be a little more efficient in putting their approval on new drug applications. And then they would be criticized for ‘rushing’ the approval process and allowing questionable drugs to reach the market.

Well, it hasn’t stopped them in the past. For example, the FDA rushed through one of the most dangerous and toxic drugs ever approved–AZT, the AIDS drug. It was approved even though there was no proof that it was safe or effective. Many scientists claim that the drug actually made people sicker and accelerated death. Before you buy.

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It would be amazing if traditional Chinese medicine was not effective. They have been working at it as long or longer than western medicine. How effective it is and when it should be used are a lot more difficult questions. The herbs they use are not tested for safety or strenght of the active ingrediants. The fact that a lot of western drugs are plant based shows that herbs should be effective. I trust the scientific method a lot more than I trust method discovered by observation and deduction and not judged by the rigor of western medicine. Do we have something to learn from traditional medicine? You bet we do but before I try it I want the FDA to put it’s stamp of approval on it. IMHO

Only part of chinese medicine would likely fall under the FDA since there are a number of aspects to it….acupuncture, massage, food therapy, herbal therapy, exercise/qigong/tai chi, meditation, etc. Right now I think the FDA has been involved to the point where it has approved acupuncture needles as safe. More funding and studies would bring wider knowledge and acceptance of chinese medicine by the medical establishment and public as to where chinese medicine can be therapeutically helpful. ..diane

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Interesting but left out: Chairman Mao as part of the cultural revolution decreed that western medicine was evil and traditional chinese medicine was good. Period. Argument?? you got sent to the camps.  The former head of Shanghi Hospital, a world recognized authority on liver disease spent 5 years in charge of manure for questioning "traditional" medicine.  He was lucky too, he survived. Double blind studies???? As a journal editor I see lots of presentations on herbal out of Chinal and double blind studies are not there. Example: Acupuncture cures Deafness. Series of 50 cases. No audiogram or hearing test was done, but after treatment the subjects could sing praises to Chairmant Mao. I expect real progress in Chinese medicine now that the politics is no longer deciding what is correct treatment. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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It would be amazing if traditional Chinese medicine was not effective. They have been working at it as long or longer than western medicine. How effective it is and when it should be used are a lot more difficult questions. The herbs they use are not tested for safety or strenght of the active ingrediants. The fact that a lot of western drugs are plant based shows that herbs should be effective. I trust the scientific method a lot more than I trust method discovered by observation and deduction and not judged by the rigor of western medicine. Do we have something to learn from traditional medicine? You bet we do but before I try it I want the FDA to put it’s stamp of approval on it. IMHO — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – British Medical Journal BMJ 1997;315:115-117 (12 July) Education and debate Health in China: Traditional Chinese medicine: one country, two systems Therese Hesketh, research fellow, a Wei Xing Zhu, programme manager, East Asia b a Centre for International Child Health, London WC1 N1EH, b Health Unlimited, London SE1 9NT Correspondence to: Dr Hesketh Summary China is the only country in the world where Western medicine and traditional medicine are practised alongside each other at every level of the healthcare system. Traditional Chinese medicine has a unique theoretical and practical approach to the treatment of disease, which has developed over thousands of years. Traditional treatments include herbal remedies, acupuncture, acupressure and massage, and moxibustion. They account for around 40% of all health care delivered in China. The current government policy of expansion of traditional facilities and manpower is being questioned because many hospitals using traditional Chinese medicine are already underutilised and depend on government subsidies for survival. Research priorities include randomised controlled trials of common treatments and analysis of the active agents in herbal remedies. As more studies show the clinical effectiveness of traditional Chinese medicine, an integrated approach to disease using a combination of Western medicine and traditional approaches becomes a possibility for the future. An ancient textbook Over thousands of years traditional Chinese medicine has developed a theoretical and practical approach to the treatment and prevention of disease. The first documented source of Chinese medical theory, the Huangdi Nei Jing ("Inner Classic of the Yellow Emperor") was written between 300 BC and 100 BC. It describes the diagnosis and treatment of a huge range of disorders and gives advice about healthy lifestyles, exercise, and diet which conforms remarkably well with current recommendations for the prevention of chronic disease. There is also accurate dietary advice about how to avoid micronutrient deficiency diseases such as beri-beri, xerophthalmia, and goitre.1 As with most forms of traditional medicine, the theoretical and diagnostic basis of traditional Chinese medicine cannot be explained in terms of Western anatomy and physiology. It is rooted in the philosophy, logic, and beliefs of a different civilisation and leads to a perception of health and disease that is alien to Western scientific thinking. But it is an entirely coherent system, with internal logic and consistency of thought and practice. In the early 1950s it was feared that traditional Chinese medicine would be superseded by the "more modern" Western medicine. To counter this, a systematic assessment of the effectiveness of the traditional treatments was thought necessary. So thousands of experiments and clinical studies were carried out during the 1950s. Most were case series of patients with a specific Western disease who were then treated with traditional techniques-for example, a series of 112 cases treated for angina pectoris and another of 121 cases of bronchial asthma treated with subcutaneous acupuncture. The result of all this research activity was that in 1958 it was declared that traditional Chinese medicine and Western medicine should be given equal respect and place in the healthcare system. 1 Since then there has been a consistent policy of support for the traditional system. The treatments The main traditional treatments are herbal remedies, acupuncture, acupressure and massage, and moxibustion. Acupuncture and herbal medicine are most widely used. The basic idea of acupuncture is that the insertion of fine needles into certain points can restore internal balance; it is the internal imbalance which leads to illness. Each acupuncture point has a defined therapeutic action, and a range of points is usually used. Acupressure simply means applying pressure to the acupuncture points, and moxibustion means applying heat to them. In the West acupuncture has become associated with analgesia, its appeal being increased by plausible biological mechanisms for its action (such as the gate theory and endorphin release). It also gained fame for its use in operative anaesthesia, but it is rarely used for this now. Herbs are used much more commonly than acupuncture. The first pharmacopoeia was written at the time of the Nei Jing. The substances used range from herbs and minerals to rather strange animal products such as cows’ gallstones or parotid gland secretions. The traditional doctor usually chooses from around 500 common classical prescriptions. Typically these are combinations of some five to 15 herbs that are boiled up together to make a drink.1 Nowadays many formulations are available in the more convenient form of tablets, capsules, and ampoules. The pharmaceutical industry is booming: sales of Chinese medicine increased by 52% between 1988 and 1992 (and sales of Western medicine increased by 51%).2 The licensing of drugs and official regulation of their sale is equally stringent for Western and Chinese medicines. But in these days of the market economy, unregulated medicines are widely sold and many products are available over the counter. It is estimated that only 20% of China’s hospitals buy medicines from licensed state wholesalers, because the black market products are much cheaper.3 Two systems of medicine China is the only country in the world where Western medicine and the traditional medicine work alongside each other at every level of the healthcare system. Traditional Chinese medicine has its own department at the Ministry of Public Health and at provincial and county Bureaus of Public Health. It has its own medical schools, hospitals, and research institutes. Overall, it is estimated that 40% of health care in China is based on traditional Chinese medicine, with a higher proportion in rural areas.2 This figure does not include the massive amount of self medication with traditional drugs, which are used not only to treat illness but also as health promoting drugs, ranging from nutritional supplements and tonics to aphrodisiacs. Every city has a hospital practising traditional Chinese medicine, and there is a plan for every county to have one. In 95% of the hospitals practising Western medicine there are departments of traditional Chinese medicine, most with inpatient beds; when patients arrive at the outpatient department they can opt for Chinese or Western treatment. In Jiangsu province, one of the richer, more sophisticated eastern provinces, one quarter of all outpatients in one year (10 million) had opted for traditional treatment.4 The collaboration between the two systems is well illustrated by the fact that in Western medicine hospitals around 40% of the medicines prescribed are traditional. Similarly, in the traditional hospitals 40% of all prescribed drugs are Western medicine.3 At township and village levels, doctors often prescribe both types of treatment simultaneously, without apparent contradiction. A survey carried out in two village health clinics in Zhejiang province showed that children with upper respiratory tract infections were being prescribed an average of four separate drugs, always a combination of Western and Chinese.5 Training in traditional Chinese medicine varies from family apprenticeships to three to five year university training at a college of traditional Chinese medicine, though the educational standard of these undergraduates is generally lower than their counterparts at the Western medical schools. All Western medical schools devote around 10-15% of curriculum time to traditional Chinese medicine, so all doctors have some traditional training. Nurses too are trained in both and many perform acupuncture and acupressure independently. Expansion of traditional Chinese medicine Central government continues to have a policy for expansion of traditional Chinese medicine. An increase in the number of traditional doctors is one of the priorities for manpower development; their number continues to increase and is now over 300 000. In addition, 20% of the planned increase in hospital beds is to be for traditional Chinese medicine6; since 1985 there has been an annual increase of 8% in inpatient beds.3 But the wisdom of this planned expansion is being questioned, especially with the pressures of the healthcare market. Many traditional hospitals operate at a deficit. The better equipped Western hospitals, with their better qualified staff, attract more

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> ">http://www.hkptu.org.hk/engptu/services/welfare/medical/chectrea.htm</A> > I am not able to locate this web site. Where is this located? Where is this > city? Can you tell us anything about this place. > Murray Grossan, M.D.

I was able to get to it.  It’s a HongKong site.  Verrrry expensive.

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> ">http://www.hkptu.org.hk/engptu/services/welfare/medical/chectrea.htm</A> > I am not able to locate this web site. Where is this located? Where is this > city? Can you tell us anything about this place. > Murray Grossan, M.D. > http://www.ent-consult.com

I was able to get to it.  It’s in Hong Kong.  Prices seem really high.

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– <A HREF="http://www.hkptu.org.hk/engptu/services/welfare/medical/chectrea.htm ">http://www.hkptu.org.hk/engptu/services/welfare/medical/chectrea.htm</A> I am not able to locate this web site. Where is this located? Where is this city? Can you tell us anything about this place.   Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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I have mentioned previously in a post to Jeremy who was asking a similar question, that this procedure was called an antral washout. This used to be a regular procedure in all ENT departments but now seems ‘to have gone out of fashion’ . I have just noticed on Dr. tichenor’s website that it is not used anymore for paediatric patients as the  sinusitis frequently involves the ethmoids. I did ask for reasons in my last post but there were no takers! I have managed to find one surgery that will do maxillary washout on a day patient basis. Their website is — http://www.hkptu.org.hk/engptu/services/welfare/medical/chectrea.htm Heather Collins UK Mikecheath…@oakwellmount.freeserve.co.uk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<reflexol…@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:85vd31$cq3$1@nnrp1.deja.com… > 10 years ago, I had my sinuses "flushed" (a form of irrigation where > the sinuses are filled and then sucked out usuing surgical suction). > This proceedure was very effective, and I was healthy for almost 14 > months after it was done.  I want to have this proceedure done again, > but I have yet to find any doctors who still do it. > Can anyone offer suggestions for helping me find a doctor to flush my > sinuses? > NOTE: I AM aware of the Grossan Water Pik Irrigator Tip.  It does NOT > produce the same results as the proceedure I have described. > In article <20000116134528.09473.00000…@ng-ch1.aol.com>, >   entcons…@aol.com (ENTconsult) wrote: > > Please show your doctor this information and ask if irrigation with > the water > > pik and Grossan attachment would be best for your condition. > > Partial list of references that recommend the Grossan Sinus Irrigator: > > Physiologic and Hypertonic Saline Solutions Impair Ciliary Activity > in > > Vitro, Boeck,Wilbert. Keles, Nesil. Graamans, Kees, Laryngoscope > March > > 99 No 3, > > p.396. > > Certain hypertonic saline solutions cause ciliostasis (the cilia stop > > functioning) from which the cilia may not recover. If cilia are > permanently > > damaged, the ability to fight infection is lost. Dr Boek recommends > the > > Locke-Ringer’s solution for nasal spray and irrigation. > > **************** > > Medical Management of Rhinitis, Fadal R. English: Otolaryngology Vol > > 2:Ch 13 > > The principal benefits from saline irrigation include: 1. Augments > > mucociliary flow 2 Liquefies tenacious mucus 3. Soothes irritated > tissues > > 4. Removes crusts and > > microforeign bodies 5. Augments tissue repair 6. Reduces forceful > > noseblowing 7. Improves olfaction. > > ************************************ > > Therapeutic Agents In The Medical Management Of Sinusitis, Mabry, > R.L. > > In: Inflammatory diseases of the sinuses. Otolaryngologic Clinics Of > North > > America, > > Volume 26, Number 4, pp 561, 1993. > > Not only is the Grossan Sinus Irrigator beneficial for patients with > > bothersome thick postnasal secretions, but is especially helpful for > > postoperative cleansing > > following nasal surgery. > > ************************** > > Sinusitis: Acute, Chronic and Mangegeable, Rachelevsky G S, Slavin R > G > > et all. Patient Care. Feb 28, 1997 Vol 131:4. > > "A particularly helpful stratergy is salilne washing using a a Water > Pik > > Sinus irrigator is so effective in clearing the blocked passages that > , if it > > is > > done regularly, > > some patients with persisitent or chronic sinusitis need no drug > treatment at > > all. > > ********************************* > > A Device for Nasal Irrigation, GrossanM Transactions of the American > > Academy of Ophthalmology and Otolaryngology. 78: July 1974 279-280 > > An easy method of sinus treatment at home or office. With this device > the > > patient can leave the office with the bacterial load reduced, hence > requires > > less antibiotic  and much greater patient satisfaction. > > **************************** > > Sinusitis: Bench to Bedside, Kaliner MA et al. Otolaryngology June 97 > > 116:6 Part 2 Study of Sinusits. > > Water Pik pulsatile sinus irrigation is recommended as a treatment > for > > sinusitis, and as a supplement to other treatment modalities. > > *************************** > > A New Nasal Irrigator Device. Grossan M. The Eye, Ear Nose And Throat > > Monthly. March 1974 > > Application of pulsatile irrigation for post nasal drip and phlegm > > ***************************** > > A Device To Aid Nasal Mucociliary Flow, Grossan A.N.L. March 1976 pp > > 65-70. > > In Japan there is a very high incidence of sinusitis requiring > surgery. > > Pulsatile irrigation is helps to avoid surgery by restoring natural > cilia > > pulsation and natural resistance. > > *********************************** > > Office Measurement of Nasal Mucociliary Clearance, Grossan, M. > English: > > Otolaryngology 1994 Vol 2 ch 7 > > The saccharin test is an objective measure of one very important > aspect of > > the respiratory defense system. Many diagnostic dilemmas are solved > using > > this test. The nasal test reflects the chest condition. Using > pulsatile > > irrigation, one can improve both. > > ************************* > > Treatment of Sinusitis in the Next Millennium, Kaliner, M. Allergy > and > > Asthma Proceedings, 19:181-4, 1998 > > Saline irrigation with Water Pik and sinus adaptor is an effective > non-drug > > treatment for sinusitis > > ******************************** > > Nasal Hyperthermia and Simple Saline Irrigation for Perennial > Rhinitis, > > Changes in Inflammatory Mediators, Georgitis JW. Chest 106:1487 – 82, > > 1994 > > Saline irrigation with Water Pik and Grossan adaptor reduces > significantly > > the presence of mediatiores of inflammation in the nasal exudate six > hours > > after treatment. > > ******************************** > > Sinus Survival, Ivker R., Putman Publication 1995. > > Pulsating irrigation is shown to remove pus and allow for natural, > holistic > > healing. > > ******************************* > > A Device for Nasal Irrigation, Grossan, M. Transactions of the > American > > Academy of Ophthalmology and Otolaryngology. 78: July 1974 279-280. > > Nasal irrigation is found to be an easy method of sinus treatment at > home > > or office. With this device the patient can leave the office with the > bacterial > > load reduced, hence requiring less antibiotic and producing greater > patient > > satisfaction. > > ******************************** > > Pulsation Irrigation: a Simple, Safe Effective Treatment of Many > Nasal > > Complaints, Pope, A., O.R.L. Digest August 1974 15:8 pp 3638. > > Pulsatile nasal irrigation is reccommended as a simple safe treatment > for > > many sinus, ear and allergy complaints. High patient acceptance and > > enthusiasm is reported with excellent theraputic results, often > without > > antibiotic or medication. > > **************************** > > A New Nasal Irrigator Device, Grossan, M., The Eye, Ear Nose and > Throat > > Monthly, March 1974. > > Application of pulsatile irrigation for post nasal drip and phlegm is > > described. > > ******************************* > >                     Pulsatile Nasal Irrigation in Children > > Pediatric sinusitis, Manning, Scott, C., In: Inflammatory Diseases of > the > > Sinuses. Otolaryngologic Clinics of North America. Volume 26, Number > 4, > > pp 623-638 > > (1993). > > Pulsatile irrigation works for children, even without antibiotics. > > ****************************** > > Irrigation of the Child’s Nose, Grossan, M., Clinical Pediatrics, > March > > 1974 13:3 229-231. > > Children with sinusitis, post nasal drip or nasal blockage use > pulsatile > > nasal irrigation at age 5 or older. By removing discharge, adenoid > and > > tonsil hypertrophy > > were reduced. Irrigation was also found to be an aid to clearing the > ear. > > ******************************** > >                               Rhinitis > > Rhinitis And Nasal Obstruction, Lucente, F.E. In: Nasal Obstruction. > > Otolaryngologic Clinics Of North America, Volume 22, Number 2, pp > 307, > > 1989. > > The Water Pik

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