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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am confused concerning _symptoms_ and _underlying condition_. Does this mean that one may be experiencing absolutely no asthma symptoms, but never the less the condition of asthma may be deteriorating without one being aware of it? Is there a way I can determine if this is occurring in my lungs? Yes. Asthma is an inflammatory disease of the airways. Over time this inflammation can result in irreversible airways damage. I have been off all medication (except for 4 puffs of ventilin) for over 2 years, and feel just fine. Ventolin is a medication that only treats asthma symptoms. The medical consensus for at least the past five years is that it should never be used on a regular basis as a sole treatment for asthma.
You miss-read my post. 4 puffs of ventilin in the last 2 years. Not per day or week or month. I went to the ventilin for relief when I contracted a bad cold about a year ago.
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I am confused concerning _symptoms_ and _underlying condition_. Does this mean that one may be experiencing absolutely no asthma symptoms, but never the less the condition of asthma may be deteriorating without one being aware of it? Is there a way I can determine if this is occurring in my lungs?
Yes. Asthma is an inflammatory disease of the airways. Over time this inflammation can result in irreversible airways damage. I have been off all medication (except for 4 puffs of ventilin) for over 2 years, and feel just fine.
Ventolin is a medication that only treats asthma symptoms. The medical consensus for at least the past five years is that it should never be used on a regular basis as a sole treatment for asthma. No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.
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<snip I am confused concerning _symptoms_ and _underlying condition_. Does this mean that one may be experiencing absolutely no asthma symptoms, but never the less the condition of asthma may be deteriorating without one being aware of it? Is there a way I can determine if this is occurring in my lungs? I have been off all medication (except for 4 puffs of ventilin)
4 puffs per day? Per week? Per month? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -for over 2 years, and feel just fine. Under the circumstances, I feel foolish asking my pulmonary dr. to put me through a battery of tests. Could these tests reveal the status of the underlying condition? If I have _underlying inflammation_ , would not,t I be aware of it through the malfunctioning of my lungs, or discomfort of some kind? On my 6 mo. visits to the dr. he asks the usual questions, taps, thumps, listens, and has me do the peak flow thing. I wonder if he should be doing more to adequately assay my present condition, whatever that may be. On my last visit, November, he put me on an annual visit, rather than 6 mo. From that I can only assume he is finding nothing of concern. However, now I am worried that he may be overlooking something. come back? bob
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Eric, Re asthma without hyperventilation. Singing techniques Speaking from my own experience and on conjecture, control of the vocal cords seems to play a very large part in filling the lungs with air. If I simply breathe in "with the glottis open" (not quite sure of the right wording, what I mean is that there is much less resistance at the level of the larynx) I am can only breathe in and fill the chest to a much smaller extent than when making some sort of sound with my vocal cords (sobbing sound). Similarly I seem to be able expel much more air from my chest when I consciously "close the glottis" and hum. This principle (of course without actually sobbing or humming) is a sort of switch in avoiding EIA (exercise induced asthma). If I consciously "breathe on the larynx" when running I am able to get much more air in and out of my lungs as is needed than when I try keeping everything as open as possible. Isn’t the experience you get in learning singing techniques, filling the lungs properly by sophisticated, inhalation (Pavarotti on TV), useful in overcoming the asthmatic difficulty in getting the lungs full of air and emptying them again? If I try breathing without using my larynx at all, my diaphragm seems to be paralyzed and I cannot take a deep breath in an asthmatic sort of way. My inkling is that in exercise some negative pressure is needed for optimum performance (think of race horses breathing through their nostrils only) and if the larynx is not properly tuned to modulate this pressure optimum lung performance is not possible and in an extreme case asthma may result. Research seems to indicate that normally the vocal cords move during each inspiration for modulation. This is conjecture, but just think of doing a deep breath as an exercise. Are your vocal cords not sensitively operated to get best results (to systematically fill different parts of the chest, as Pavarotti said)? The first asthma attack I can remember involved getting pollen in the chest and then breathing with my mouth and glottis open so that regulation of the respiratory rate had to be taken over by my bronchi – with disastrous results. Cheers, Richard Friedel it doesn’t matter how much of the dictionary you regurgitate you base all your ideas on fundamental misunderstandings about how asthma works and you still seem totally unable to distinguish between symptoms and the underlying condition are you really as obtuse as you seem or do you forget absolutely everything from one day to the next…I’ve gone over this before a couple of times I know how to avoid mild asthma symptoms by controlling my breathing…THAT DOES NOT AFFECT THE UNDERLYING INFLAMMATION…in the long term, as a strategy for dealing with asthma, it will like as not kill you full colour"
I am confused concerning _symptoms_ and _underlying condition_. Does this mean that one may be experiencing absolutely no asthma symptoms, but never the less the condition of asthma may be deteriorating without one being aware of it? Is there a way I can determine if this is occurring in my lungs? I have been off all medication (except for 4 puffs of ventilin) for over 2 years, and feel just fine. Under the circumstances, I feel foolish asking my pulmonary dr. to put me through a battery of tests. Could these tests reveal the status of the underlying condition? If I have _underlying inflammation_ , would not,t I be aware of it through the malfunctioning of my lungs, or discomfort of some kind? On my 6 mo. visits to the dr. he asks the usual questions, taps, thumps, listens, and has me do the peak flow thing. I wonder if he should be doing more to adequately assay my present condition, whatever that may be. On my last visit, November, he put me on an annual visit, rather than 6 mo. From that I can only assume he is finding nothing of concern. However, now I am worried that he may be overlooking something. come back? bob
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Eric, Re asthma without hyperventilation. Singing techniques Speaking from my own experience and on conjecture, control of the vocal cords seems to play a very large part in filling the lungs with air. If I simply breathe in "with the glottis open" (not quite sure of the right wording, what I mean is that there is much less resistance at the level of the larynx) I am can only breathe in and fill the chest to a much smaller extent than when making some sort of sound with my vocal cords (sobbing sound). Similarly I seem to be able expel much more air from my chest when I consciously "close the glottis" and hum. This principle (of course without actually sobbing or humming) is a sort of switch in avoiding EIA (exercise induced asthma). If I consciously "breathe on the larynx" when running I am able to get much more air in and out of my lungs as is needed than when I try keeping everything as open as possible. Isn’t the experience you get in learning singing techniques, filling the lungs properly by sophisticated, inhalation (Pavarotti on TV), useful in overcoming the asthmatic difficulty in getting the lungs full of air and emptying them again? If I try breathing without using my larynx at all, my diaphragm seems to be paralyzed and I cannot take a deep breath in an asthmatic sort of way. My inkling is that in exercise some negative pressure is needed for optimum performance (think of race horses breathing through their nostrils only) and if the larynx is not properly tuned to modulate this pressure optimum lung performance is not possible and in an extreme case asthma may result. Research seems to indicate that normally the vocal cords move during each inspiration for modulation. This is conjecture, but just think of doing a deep breath as an exercise. Are your vocal cords not sensitively operated to get best results (to systematically fill different parts of the chest, as Pavarotti said)? The first asthma attack I can remember involved getting pollen in the chest and then breathing with my mouth and glottis open so that regulation of the respiratory rate had to be taken over by my bronchi – with disastrous results. Cheers, Richard Friedel
it doesn’t matter how much of the dictionary you regurgitate you base all your ideas on fundamental misunderstandings about how asthma works and you still seem totally unable to distinguish between symptoms and the underlying condition are you really as obtuse as you seem or do you forget absolutely everything from one day to the next…I’ve gone over this before a couple of times I know how to avoid mild asthma symptoms by controlling my breathing…THAT DOES NOT AFFECT THE UNDERLYING INFLAMMATION…in the long term, as a strategy for dealing with asthma, it will like as not kill you eric "the alternative to seeing things in black and white is to see them in full colour"
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I do take your point that belly-aching about current asthma attitudes is not so productive as pointing out new (or old but generally overlooked) USEFUL facts. Buteyko can obviously not afford to be a closed system,
But it is a closed system since the theory has not been dropped or modified when our understanding of asthma increased. No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.
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simple fact Richard…after 20 plus years singing…some of that time professionally…and 15 years in theatre, most of it professionally…I have a fair amount of understanding and control of my breathing…I RARELY EVER HYPERVENTILATE…the rare times I have done have not related in any way to asthma attacks you are making up theories that don’t fit the facts eric "the alternative to seeing things in black and white is to see them in full colour"
Hi Eric, Re asthma without hyperventilation. Singing techniques Speaking from my own experience and on conjecture, control of the vocal cords seems to play a very large part in filling the lungs with air. If I simply breathe in "with the glottis open" (not quite sure of the right wording, what I mean is that there is much less resistance at the level of the larynx) I am can only breathe in and fill the chest to a much smaller extent than when making some sort of sound with my vocal cords (sobbing sound). Similarly I seem to be able expel much more air from my chest when I consciously "close the glottis" and hum. This principle (of course without actually sobbing or humming) is a sort of switch in avoiding EIA (exercise induced asthma). If I consciously "breathe on the larynx" when running I am able to get much more air in and out of my lungs as is needed than when I try keeping everything as open as possible. Isn’t the experience you get in learning singing techniques, filling the lungs properly by sophisticated, inhalation (Pavarotti on TV), useful in overcoming the asthmatic difficulty in getting the lungs full of air and emptying them again? If I try breathing without using my larynx at all, my diaphragm seems to be paralyzed and I cannot take a deep breath in an asthmatic sort of way. My inkling is that in exercise some negative pressure is needed for optimum performance (think of race horses breathing through their nostrils only) and if the larynx is not properly tuned to modulate this pressure optimum lung performance is not possible and in an extreme case asthma may result. Research seems to indicate that normally the vocal cords move during each inspiration for modulation. This is conjecture, but just think of doing a deep breath as an exercise. Are your vocal cords not sensitively operated to get best results (to systematically fill different parts of the chest, as Pavarotti said)? The first asthma attack I can remember involved getting pollen in the chest and then breathing with my mouth and glottis open so that regulation of the respiratory rate had to be taken over by my bronchi – with disastrous results. Cheers, Richard Friedel
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"The level of carbon dioxide in the blood determines the rate at which humans breathe. When the level rises, the respiratory center signals for more rapid and deeper breathing. As the level drops, breathing automatically slows down." The common sense interpretation of this in connection with asthma is that there is too much carbon dioxide (carbon dioxide retention) in the body in asthma, whereas typically (have to be careful here) when breathing is labored the reverse is in fact the case. This knowledge should be made more generally available.
No this is not a ‘common sense’ interpretation. This is an assumption that is unfounded. If you notice that there is no cause and effect relationship established in the above. However there is a scientifically established basis for the conclusion that hyperventilation occurs as an effect of asthma symptoms. No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.
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A minute amount of knowledge can do a lot: "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing". 1) There is a vicious circle between hyperventilation and asthmatic symptoms.
(…) Hi Chris, I do take your point that belly-aching about current asthma attitudes is not so productive as pointing out new (or old but generally overlooked) USEFUL facts. Buteyko can obviously not afford to be a closed system, although especially in the breath therapy field this and an irksome holier than thou attitude is a great temptation. Put in a provocative way, Buteyko seems to say "back to nature" and forget about the medication crap (apart from steroids)" but this is only an unbalanced but perfectly human reply to what drug therapy seems to be saying. Cheers, Richard Friedel
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Don’t really get you on this. This was supposed to be 100 per cent praise of the US and 100 per cent criticism of Germany, at least at the time and possibly now as well. It is just frustrating that there seems to be no ro
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