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I had a vet about six years ago tell me that secondhand smoke damages the lungs of pets. I don’t know of any studies, but I am sure if you did an internet search you could find one. Tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com
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I would simply assume that being an oxygen-breathing mammal with lungs, that they would be just as prone to damage by second hand smoke as any other animal, of which humans are, too. Dogs are a little different in the way Cancers sometimes act in them, from what I understand, but I can’t imagine that constantly being around smoke would do no harm. GH
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I smoked for 14 years, actually. I quit just about 2 months ago. I didn’t smoke in the same room with my animals and I think it’s ridiculous to say that a smoker shouldn’t say anything about the safety or well being of animals. Mine are very healthy and well cared for, which is far more than I can say for greater than 70% of the patients I see every shift. And most of their delightful owners are non-smoking jerks. Although I am very pleased not to be smoking any longer, I do not feel that a persons choice to smoke or not smoke has anything to do with the content of their character or their ability to be a good, loving, and responsible pet owner. And a little more on topic, last months BirdTalk ran an article about the effects of second hand smoke on birds. And I believe that there have been some studies published in the JAVMA also. For everyone that preaches anything in any animal news group about the safety or well being of any pet should not be a smoker. It’s so hypocritical.
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I know the cancer rate in my cats went down after I quit 6 years ago. Twyla Jane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com
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I can’t say for certain, but I would suspect that second hand smoke might be almost as bad for our pets as for children. Children have small airways so more of the smoke is going to be able be caught in the mucus (and they breathe more often) than adults and childrens cells are more sensitive to carcinogens than adult cells because they are dividing more frequently. Dividing and growing means that there can be more damage relative to cells that are dividing only infrequently to produce replacements. They pets are not growing as quickly perhaps, but they do have smaller airways and they do breathe faster. This I suspect should lead to more problems from second hand smoke for pets than an adult human but less than a human child. Of course, kittens and pups will have as much perhaps more problems than a human infant. They are smaller to start and grow much faster. Larry Osborne
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com
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Ask yourself, does it affect humans? Cats and Dogs lungs work in just the same way as ours.
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Oddly, I was just out in the front yard talking to my next-door neighbor. She was watering her lawn and smoking. We were discussing other matters and she mentioned that she always smokes outside because her Golden Retriever used to get very sick when she smoked indoors. Now that she smokes only outside, the dog has never gotten sick again. Not exactly scientific evidence but there you have it. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail)
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Anyone who smokes in a home or place with another person or *body* is ignorant if they don’t think it’s hurting those around them. For everyone that preaches anything in any animal news group about the safety or well being of any pet should not be a smoker. It’s so hypocritical. Mini Me (Yeah, Baby!) Remove (one billion dollars) before replying.
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Oh come on! Facts please, so the idiot lurkers dont start another war 97% of all animates die of cancer. FACT. Stop putting your butts up their butts did you? Thats about the only difference you quitting doing that would have. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know the cancer rate in my cats went down after I quit 6 years ago. Twyla Jane
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Yes Tracy, nobody knows of any studies, but they are always prepared to come up with these FACTS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a vet about six years ago tell me that secondhand smoke damages the lungs of pets. I don’t know of any studies, but I am sure if you did an internet search you could find one. Tracy x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com
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Yep, here we go again, can’t say for certain. = bs! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t say for certain, but I would suspect that second hand smoke might be almost as bad for our pets as for children. Children have small airways so more of the smoke is going to be able be caught in the mucus (and they breathe more often) than adults and childrens cells are more sensitive to carcinogens than adult cells because they are dividing more frequently. Dividing and growing means that there can be more damage relative to cells that are dividing only infrequently to produce replacements. They pets are not growing as quickly perhaps, but they do have smaller airways and they do breathe faster. This I suspect should lead to more problems from second hand smoke for pets than an adult human but less than a human child. Of course, kittens and pups will have as much perhaps more problems than a human infant. They are smaller to start and grow much faster. Larry Osborne x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com
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Oh my GOD! Watering lawns causes cancer in dogs who smoke indoors! Oddly, I was just out in the front yard talking to my next-door neighbor. She was watering her lawn and smoking. We were discussing other matters and she mentioned that she always smokes outside because her Golden Retriever used to get very sick when she smoked indoors. Now that she smokes only outside, the dog has never gotten sick again. Not exactly scientific evidence but there you have it. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail)
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I reserve the right to kill myself the way I choose. I also acknowledge the safety of others, including my babies There does not have to be a confict in that. I have my room. Those that choose to visit me in my room know that there will be traces of cigarette smoke. I choose not to smoke a cigarette when I have visitors, but I cannot control the idiot cat! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone who smokes in a home or place with another person or *body* is ignorant if they don’t think it’s hurting those around them. For everyone that preaches anything in any animal news group about the safety or well being of any pet should not be a smoker. It’s so hypocritical. Mini Me (Yeah, Baby!) Remove (one billion dollars) before replying. x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com
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x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her?
I can’t imagine doggy lungs being any different to human lungs, which is why dogs often end up as lab animals 
You could try giving the facts regarding second hand smoke, but IMHO, most smokers don’t tend to be too concerned about other people’s (or animals) health, even if the passive smokers are their very own family. Godd luck though, your message might get through. I hope it does. Yowie
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Yep, here we go again, can’t say for certain. = bs!
Dave, are you an angry smoker? There are lung cancer studies done on beagles. You can search them out, I don’t have time to do it for you. I have read them in the past, and they do prove that breathing cigarette smoke is just as dangerous for dogs as for humans. The reason more dogs don’t show us the lung damage is simply related to the lifespan of dogs. They usually die of something else before the lung damage does them in. Kyla, DVM
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Second hand smoke affects animals as it does people. What we see most often is allergic reactions to the smoke. The RAST allergy test we use includes tobacco smoke and many animals appear to be sensitive. Some, presumably smokers, may make light of second hand smoke but it does cause clinical problems in some pets. We have many owners that although they have not given up smoking no longer smoke indoors.We applaud their concern. JEP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh my GOD! Watering lawns causes cancer in dogs who smoke indoors! Oddly, I was just out in the front yard talking to my next-door neighbor. She was watering her lawn and smoking. We were discussing other matters and she mentioned that she always smokes outside because her Golden Retriever used to get very sick when she smoked indoors. Now that she smokes only outside, the dog has never gotten sick again. Not exactly scientific evidence but there you have it. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) — Go to http://www.getpaid4.com?possums to make $$$ using your PC.
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It may be that animals only suffer the more minor reactions to smoke, as you mention, rather than actually developing cancer, since they are smart enough to leave the area which the human is smoking. While we humans stay nearby, inhaling more. Just another example of our pets being smarter than ourselves! ;-) — "For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism."
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Second hand smoke affects animals as it does people. What we see most often is allergic reactions to the smoke. The RAST allergy test we use includes tobacco smoke and many animals appear to be sensitive. Some, presumably smokers, may make light of second hand smoke but it does cause clinical problems in some pets. We have many owners that although they have not given up smoking no longer smoke indoors.We applaud their concern. JEP Oh my GOD! Watering lawns causes cancer in dogs who smoke indoors! Oddly, I was just out in the front yard talking to my next-door neighbor. She was watering her lawn and smoking. We were discussing other matters and she mentioned that she always smokes outside because her Golden Retriever used to get very sick when she smoked indoors. Now that she smokes only outside, the dog has never gotten sick again. Not exactly scientific evidence but there you have it. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) — Go to http://www.getpaid4.com?possums to make $$$ using your PC. — JEP vet http://www.wbvc.bc.ca Before you buy.
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Eosinophils only kill parasites. They’re not related to passive smoking, or a result of passive smoking. They can most commonly be a result of an allergy, such as hayfever. [plus, they can cause asthma.] Stop pretending to be a scientist. Vanessa
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just saw a case 2 weeks back. 9m chihuahua with owners who were heavy smokers. Dog was presented for coughing and inappetance. Bld tests showed increased eosinophils. Conclude for yourself.
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Eosinophils only kill parasites. They’re not related to passive smoking, or a result of passive smoking. They can most commonly be a result of an allergy, such as hayfever. [plus, they can cause asthma.] Stop pretending to be a scientist. Vanessa
Ok Sherlock, first you say they *only* kill parasites, then you say they result from allergies. But how can they result from allergies to then function as parasite killers? Makes no sense to me, BTW I am a scientist. Eosinophils counts are higher in parasite infested animals, and in allergic reactions. They cannot cause asthma. You need to read up before slamming a medical opinion. Take a course in logic and another in technical writing. Kyla, DVM
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Okay and where did this "fact" come from? It is NOT true. Renal failure makes up a big percentage of animal deaths.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh come on! Facts please, so the idiot lurkers dont start another war 97% of all animates die of cancer. FACT. Stop putting your butts up their butts did you? Thats about the only difference you quitting doing that would have. I know the cancer rate in my cats went down after I quit 6 years ago. Twyla Jane
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Oh okay and the cat understands this right? You really are a moron. Time for the killfile. I suggest everyone else do the same.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I reserve the right to kill myself the way I choose. I also acknowledge the safety of others, including my babies There does not have to be a confict in that. I have my room. Those that choose to visit me in my room know that there will be traces of cigarette smoke. I choose not to smoke a cigarette when I have visitors, but I cannot control the idiot cat! Anyone who smokes in a home or place with another person or *body* is ignorant if they don’t think it’s hurting those around them. For everyone that preaches anything in any animal news group about the safety or well being of any pet should not be a smoker. It’s so hypocritical. Mini Me (Yeah, Baby!) Remove (one billion dollars) before replying. x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com — Go to http://www.getpaid4.com?possums to make $$$ using your PC.
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Oh come on! Facts please, so the idiot lurkers dont start another war 97% of all animates die of cancer. FACT.
Would you like to quote your source for this factoid (which is patently false)? Kyla, DVM
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eosinophil: A white cell of the category known as granulocytes. These cells contain numerous dense granules in their cytoplasm that comprise a battery of highly active digestive chemicals and toxins. Their chief role is thought to be in combatting large parasites, although occasionally their activity may be triggered by other agents, potentially leading to damage of normal tissues (see eosinophilia myalgia syndrome). Source: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/cfs/glossary.htm New Light Shed On The Enigmatic Eosinophil Granulocyte; A Versatile Cell Of The Immune System. Arne Egesten and Johan Malm* – Abstract Eosinophils normally constitute only a few per cent of circulating leukocytes, though they are more numerous in tissues vulnerable to attack by environmental microorganisms. Eosinophils can kill invasive parasites, but they also have immunoregulatory functions and may be involved in, for example, the connective tissue remodeling that occurs in conjunction with inflammation. Although their effects may be beneficial to the host, for instance in the event of helminthic infestation, they may also cause tissue damage, for example in allergy and asthma. Recent years have witnessed significant advances in our knowledge of these fascinating but still enigmatic cells. Source: http://www.broombio.demon.co.uk/jifcc/Articles/eosinophil/new_light_s… the_enigmatic_.htm iet controls cat’s food allergies – DR. ROBERT SCOTT D.V.M. – - Special To The News Herald Dear Dr. Scott, A few months ago my cat Callie began vomiting after every meal. My veterinarian said Callie had a high eosinophil count and switched her to a special diet of chicken, dried duck, and potatoes. Since I have started her on the new diet, the vomiting has stopped. Can you tell me what eosinophils are, and why they caused her to vomit after eating? Melissa Dear Melissa, An eosinophil is a type of white blood cell that usually comprises from 2 to 12 percent of a cat’s total white blood cells. However, this percentage may rise dramatically if the cat is infected with parasites or if the animal is having an allergic response to something. This is due to the fact that eosinophils mobilize to help kill parasites as well as to help rid the body of the irritating substance causing the allergic reaction. Because Callie had a high eosinophil count, your veterinarian no doubt suspected an allergy or a parasite. You did not mention if Callie was tested for parasites or not, but because she has improved on her new diet, her problem was most likely a food allergy. Food allergies are relatively rare in cats, but when they do occur, they can cause many unpleasant problems such as vomiting, diarrhea, itching, and skin lesions. Source: http://www.newsherald.com/archive/lifestyle/vs121497.htm Table 1. Likely and less likely causes of eosinophilia on the basis of severity (absolute eosinophil count) Likely causes Less likely causes —- Mild (0.7-1.5 X 109/L) Allergic rhinitis Neoplasm Hay fever or atopy Gastrointestinal disease Extrinsic asthma Skin disease Drug reaction Certain infectious diseases Parasitic disease Long-term dialysis Occupational lung disease Radiation therapy Immunodeficiency state Source: http://www.postgradmed.com/issues/1999/03_99/brigden.htm The immune response to infection IL5 also secreted by Th2 cells recruits eosinophils which can kill parasites by exocytosing a cytotoxic protein, cationic basic protein. Source: http://rheumb.bham.ac.uk/teaching/clinimmunol/ci_chap1.htm ALLERGY & ASTHMA JOURNAL WATCH – JANUARY 2000 The color of sputum samples from asthmatics was found to correlate with quantity of inflammatory cells and bacteria. The more the sputum appeared yellow or green, the greater were the number of neutrophils (cells associated with infection) and amount of cultured bacteria (also suggesting infection). The quantity of eosinophils (cells associated with allergies) did not vary with sputum color. There was no difference between asthmatic smokers and nonsmokers. JACI 1/00, p.182 Source: http://www.allergyjournals.com/jan00.html Eosinophils – mischief-makers in asthma Whatever are eosinophils? Eosinophils are a type of white blood cell (corpuscle) and take up the red dye eosin when blood is examined under a microscope by the commonest method. They accumulate wherever allergic reactions like those in asthma take place. Their natural role is to defend us against parasites. In fact allergies such as asthma are probably a malfunction of our protective mechanism against parasites. Diagram of eosinophil as seen under the microscope after staining a blood smear with the red dye eosin, which stains the granules in the cytoplasm and with haematoxylin, which stains the nucleus blue. In the body all these things are colourless, of course. The nucleus consists of two lobes. The red-stained granules contain toxic proteins, ready for secretion from the cell. The toxins from the granules are important for killing parasites, but in asthma they are released inappropriately and damage the lining of the air passages. It is one of the objectives of asthma treatment to stop eosinophils from accumulating in your lungs and to stop those already there from causing damage. Steroid inhalers have a key role in doing this. In normal blood, eosinophils amount to about 0 to 3 percent of the white blood cells, but this is not such a good guide because variation in the number of other cells alters this figure. A figure of 0 percent normally just means that there were no eosinophils among the limited number of white blood cells examined by the technician, and this is quite normal. If the counting is done by machine, eosinophils are normally not counted at all, perhaps giving the false impression that there are none. It is better to express the number of eosinophils in blood as the number in a unit of volume. The normal range is about 0.04 to 0.4 eosinophils x 10^9 per litre in the UK, or 40,000,000 to 400,000,000 per litre, or 40 to 400 per cubic millimetre (microlitre). Source: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~aair/eosinophils.htm Misguided immune cells are to blame As long ago as the early 1900s, scientists knew eosinophils (e-o-SIN-o-fils), a type of immune cell made in bone marrow, played a major role in asthma. Early researchers found inflamed airway tissue, densely infiltrated by these white blood cells, in people with asthma. In 1979, Mayo Clinic researchers identified a protein within eosinophils, called major basic protein, that can damage tissue lining the airways. Now researchers have uncovered an entire network of cells and substances involved in the process. The role of each is still under study. Once immune cells are activated, the process becomes cyclic, with substances activating and reactivating each other, even after the original trigger is removed. Over time, if triggering events keep recurring, results of inflammation promote more severe asthma and recurrent attacks. Source: http://www.mayohealth.org/mayo/9602/htm/asthma2.htm The Allergic Response. In people who have asthma caused by an allergic response, various airborne allergens or other triggers set off a cascade of events in the immune system that lead to inflammation and hyperreactivity in the airways. The process is not completely understood, but the conductor in this orchestra of immune factors appears to be subgroups of white blood cells known as helper T-cells. These subgroups, TH2-cells, and specifically those known as gamma delta T cells, overproduce interleukins (IL), a subgroup of immune factors known as cytokines, which are powerful inflammatory agents. Of special interest are IL 9, IL 5, and IL 13. Interleukin 5, for example, appears to attract eosinophil cells, which are important players in airway hyperreactivity. Interleukin 9 stimulates the release of antibodies known as immunoglobulin E (IgE). During an allergic attack, these antibodies can bind to various cells in the immune system, including eosinophils, basophils, and mast cells, which are generally concentrated in the lungs, skin, and mucous membranes. Once IgE binds to mast cells, these cells are programmed to release a number of chemicals, particularly those known as leukotrienes, that cause inflammatory changes in the airways of the lungs, including narrowing of the airways, mucus production, and stimulation of nerve endings in the airway lining. Source: http://www.discoveryhealth.com/DH/ihtIH/WSDSC000/20812/21983/258429.html THE ACTUAL CAUSE OF ASTHMA IS STILL NOT KNOWN! By 1995, the definition of asthma changed to that of a chronic inflammatory disorder of the airways involving mast cells, eosinophils and T-lymphocytes (cells that migrate from the blood stream into the tissues of the lungs mediating an inflammatory reaction in the lungs). This inflammation is associated with airway hyper-responsiveness, airflow limitation (at least partially reversible) producing the respiratory symptoms of wheezing, breathlessness, cough and chest tightness. Source: http://www.physicianmd.net/pulmonary_medicine.htm CURRENT RESEARCH: Dr Andrew Wardlaw = Leicester University Role of Protease Activated Receptors (PARs) in Eosinophil Activation Eosinophils are thought to be important in causing asthma. To cause asthma eosinophils need first to get into the lungs and secondly to release their inflammatory chemicals into the tissue. This requires the eosinophils to be switched from a resting to an activated (turned on) state. I believe that a new family of membrane proteins called protease activated receptors (PARs) are responsible for this process. The work outlined in this proposal is to see which members of the PAR family are … read more »
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I don’t know. It sounds like he’s being sarcastic, and that a cat wouldn’t have a choice. IMO. Mini Me (Yeah, Baby!) Remove (one billion dollars) before replying.
Oh okay and the cat understands this right? You really are a moron. Time for the killfile. I suggest everyone else do the same.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I reserve the right to kill myself the way I choose. I also acknowledge the safety of others, including my babies There does not have to be a confict in that. I have my room. Those that choose to visit me in my room know that there will be traces of cigarette smoke. I choose not to smoke a cigarette when I have visitors, but I cannot control the idiot cat! Anyone who smokes in a home or place with another person or *body* is ignorant if they don’t think it’s hurting those around them. For everyone that preaches anything in any animal news group about the safety or well being of any pet should not be a smoker. It’s so hypocritical. Mini Me (Yeah, Baby!) Remove (one billion dollars) before replying. x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com — Go to http://www.getpaid4.com?possums to make $$$ using your PC.
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*Eosinophils only kill parasites. They’re not related to passive smoking, or *a result of passive smoking. *They can most commonly be a result of an allergy, such as hayfever. [plus, *they can cause asthma.] What, you’ve never heard of tobacco allergy? Stop pretending to know everything! Sheesh. I just posted a different article referring to the positive tobacco skin test I saw on a dog last week, too. -h. *
* Just saw a case 2 weeks back. 9m chihuahua with owners who were heavy * smokers. Dog was presented for coughing and inappetance. Bld tests showed * increased eosinophils. Conclude for yourself. * * * * — "uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est." upenn school of vet med class of 2000
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I don’t know. It sounds like he’s being sarcastic, and that a cat wouldn’t have a choice. IMO. Mini Me (Yeah, Baby!) Remove (one billion dollars) before replying.
Oh okay and the cat understands this right? You really are a moron. Time for the killfile. I suggest everyone else do the same.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I reserve the right to kill myself the way I choose. I also acknowledge the safety of others, including my babies There does not have to be a confict in that. I have my room. Those that choose to visit me in my room know that there will be traces of cigarette smoke. I choose not to smoke a cigarette when I have visitors, but I cannot control the idiot cat! Anyone who smokes in a home or place with another person or *body* is ignorant if they don’t think it’s hurting those around them. For everyone that preaches anything in any animal news group about the safety or well being of any pet should not be a smoker. It’s so hypocritical. Mini Me (Yeah, Baby!) Remove (one billion dollars) before replying. x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com — Go to http://www.getpaid4.com?possums to make $$$ using your PC.
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Oh come on! Facts please, so the idiot lurkers dont start another war 97% of all animates die of cancer. FACT.
Would you like to quote your source for this factoid (which is patently false)? Kyla, DVM
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eosinophil: A white cell of the category known as granulocytes. These cells contain numerous dense granules in their cytoplasm that comprise a battery of highly active digestive chemicals and toxins. Their chief role is thought to be in combatting large parasites, although occasionally their activity may be triggered by other agents, potentially leading to damage of normal tissues (see eosinophilia myalgia syndrome). Source: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/cfs/glossary.htm New Light Shed On The Enigmatic Eosinophil Granulocyte; A Versatile Cell Of The Immune System. Arne Egesten and Johan Malm* – Abstract Eosinophils normally constitute only a few per cent of circulating leukocytes, though they are more numerous in tissues vulnerable to attack by environmental microorganisms. Eosinophils can kill invasive parasites, but they also have immunoregulatory functions and may be involved in, for example, the connective tissue remodeling that occurs in conjunction with inflammation. Although their effects may be beneficial to the host, for instance in the event of helminthic infestation, they may also cause tissue damage, for example in allergy and asthma. Recent years have witnessed significant advances in our knowledge of these fascinating but still enigmatic cells. Source: http://www.broombio.demon.co.uk/jifcc/Articles/eosinophil/new_light_s… the_enigmatic_.htm iet controls cat’s food allergies – DR. ROBERT SCOTT D.V.M. – - Special To The News Herald Dear Dr. Scott, A few months ago my cat Callie began vomiting after every meal. My veterinarian said Callie had a high eosinophil count and switched her to a special diet of chicken, dried duck, and potatoes. Since I have started her on the new diet, the vomiting has stopped. Can you tell me what eosinophils are, and why they caused her to vomit after eating? Melissa Dear Melissa, An eosinophil is a type of white blood cell that usually comprises from 2 to 12 percent of a cat’s total white blood cells. However, this percentage may rise dramatically if the cat is infected with parasites or if the animal is having an allergic response to something. This is due to the fact that eosinophils mobilize to help kill parasites as well as to help rid the body of the irritating substance causing the allergic reaction. Because Callie had a high eosinophil count, your veterinarian no doubt suspected an allergy or a parasite. You did not mention if Callie was tested for parasites or not, but because she has improved on her new diet, her problem was most likely a food allergy. Food allergies are relatively rare in cats, but when they do occur, they can cause many unpleasant problems such as vomiting, diarrhea, itching, and skin lesions. Source: http://www.newsherald.com/archive/lifestyle/vs121497.htm Table 1. Likely and less likely causes of eosinophilia on the basis of severity (absolute eosinophil count) Likely causes Less likely causes —- Mild (0.7-1.5 X 109/L) Allergic rhinitis Neoplasm Hay fever or atopy Gastrointestinal disease Extrinsic asthma Skin disease Drug reaction Certain infectious diseases Parasitic disease Long-term dialysis Occupational lung disease Radiation therapy Immunodeficiency state Source: http://www.postgradmed.com/issues/1999/03_99/brigden.htm The immune response to infection IL5 also secreted by Th2 cells recruits eosinophils which can kill parasites by exocytosing a cytotoxic protein, cationic basic protein. Source: http://rheumb.bham.ac.uk/teaching/clinimmunol/ci_chap1.htm ALLERGY & ASTHMA JOURNAL WATCH – JANUARY 2000 The color of sputum samples from asthmatics was found to correlate with quantity of inflammatory cells and bacteria. The more the sputum appeared yellow or green, the greater were the number of neutrophils (cells associated with infection) and amount of cultured bacteria (also suggesting infection). The quantity of eosinophils (cells associated with allergies) did not vary with sputum color. There was no difference between asthmatic smokers and nonsmokers. JACI 1/00, p.182 Source: http://www.allergyjournals.com/jan00.html Eosinophils – mischief-makers in asthma Whatever are eosinophils? Eosinophils are a type of white blood cell (corpuscle) and take up the red dye eosin when blood is examined under a microscope by the commonest method. They accumulate wherever allergic reactions like those in asthma take place. Their natural role is to defend us against parasites. In fact allergies such as asthma are probably a malfunction of our protective mechanism against parasites. Diagram of eosinophil as seen under the microscope after staining a blood smear with the red dye eosin, which stains the granules in the cytoplasm and with haematoxylin, which stains the nucleus blue. In the body all these things are colourless, of course. The nucleus consists of two lobes. The red-stained granules contain toxic proteins, ready for secretion from the cell. The toxins from the granules are important for killing parasites, but in asthma they are released inappropriately and damage the lining of the air passages. It is one of the objectives of asthma treatment to stop eosinophils from accumulating in your lungs and to stop those already there from causing damage. Steroid inhalers have a key role in doing this. In normal blood, eosinophils amount to about 0 to 3 percent of the white blood cells, but this is not such a good guide because variation in the number of other cells alters this figure. A figure of 0 percent normally just means that there were no eosinophils among the limited number of white blood cells examined by the technician, and this is quite normal. If the counting is done by machine, eosinophils are normally not counted at all, perhaps giving the false impression that there are none. It is better to express the number of eosinophils in blood as the number in a unit of volume. The normal range is about 0.04 to 0.4 eosinophils x 10^9 per litre in the UK, or 40,000,000 to 400,000,000 per litre, or 40 to 400 per cubic millimetre (microlitre). Source: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~aair/eosinophils.htm Misguided immune cells are to blame As long ago as the early 1900s, scientists knew eosinophils (e-o-SIN-o-fils), a type of immune cell made in bone marrow, played a major role in asthma. Early researchers found inflamed airway tissue, densely infiltrated by these white blood cells, in people with asthma. In 1979, Mayo Clinic researchers identified a protein within eosinophils, called major basic protein, that can damage tissue lining the airways. Now researchers have uncovered an entire network of cells and substances involved in the process. The role of each is still under study. Once immune cells are activated, the process becomes cyclic, with substances activating and reactivating each other, even after the original trigger is removed. Over time, if triggering events keep recurring, results of inflammation promote more severe asthma and recurrent attacks. Source: http://www.mayohealth.org/mayo/9602/htm/asthma2.htm The Allergic Response. In people who have asthma caused by an allergic response, various airborne allergens or other triggers set off a cascade of events in the immune system that lead to inflammation and hyperreactivity in the airways. The process is not completely understood, but the conductor in this orchestra of immune factors appears to be subgroups of white blood cells known as helper T-cells. These subgroups, TH2-cells, and specifically those known as gamma delta T cells, overproduce interleukins (IL), a subgroup of immune factors known as cytokines, which are powerful inflammatory agents. Of special interest are IL 9, IL 5, and IL 13. Interleukin 5, for example, appears to attract eosinophil cells, which are important players in airway hyperreactivity. Interleukin 9 stimulates the release of antibodies known as immunoglobulin E (IgE). During an allergic attack, these antibodies can bind to various cells in the immune system, including eosinophils, basophils, and mast cells, which are generally concentrated in the lungs, skin, and mucous membranes. Once IgE binds to mast cells, these cells are programmed to release a number of chemicals, particularly those known as leukotrienes, that cause inflammatory changes in the airways of the lungs, including narrowing of the airways, mucus production, and stimulation of nerve endings in the airway lining. Source: http://www.discoveryhealth.com/DH/ihtIH/WSDSC000/20812/21983/258429.html THE ACTUAL CAUSE OF ASTHMA IS STILL NOT KNOWN! By 1995, the definition of asthma changed to that of a chronic inflammatory disorder of the airways involving mast cells, eosinophils and T-lymphocytes (cells that migrate from the blood stream into the tissues of the lungs mediating an inflammatory reaction in the lungs). This inflammation is associated with airway hyper-responsiveness, airflow limitation (at least partially reversible) producing the respiratory symptoms of wheezing, breathlessness, cough and chest tightness. Source: http://www.physicianmd.net/pulmonary_medicine.htm CURRENT RESEARCH: Dr Andrew Wardlaw = Leicester University Role of Protease Activated Receptors (PARs) in Eosinophil Activation Eosinophils are thought to be important in causing asthma. To cause asthma eosinophils need first to get into the lungs and secondly to release their inflammatory chemicals into the tissue. This requires the eosinophils to be switched from a resting to an activated (turned on) state. I believe that a new family of membrane proteins called protease activated receptors (PARs) are responsible for this process. The work outlined in this proposal is to see which members of the PAR family are … read more »
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Okay and where did this "fact" come from? It is NOT true. Renal failure makes up a big percentage of animal deaths.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh come on! Facts please, so the idiot lurkers dont start another war 97% of all animates die of cancer. FACT. Stop putting your butts up their butts did you? Thats about the only difference you quitting doing that would have. I know the cancer rate in my cats went down after I quit 6 years ago. Twyla Jane
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Oh okay and the cat understands this right? You really are a moron. Time for the killfile. I suggest everyone else do the same.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I reserve the right to kill myself the way I choose. I also acknowledge the safety of others, including my babies There does not have to be a confict in that. I have my room. Those that choose to visit me in my room know that there will be traces of cigarette smoke. I choose not to smoke a cigarette when I have visitors, but I cannot control the idiot cat! Anyone who smokes in a home or place with another person or *body* is ignorant if they don’t think it’s hurting those around them. For everyone that preaches anything in any animal news group about the safety or well being of any pet should not be a smoker. It’s so hypocritical. Mini Me (Yeah, Baby!) Remove (one billion dollars) before replying. x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com — Go to http://www.getpaid4.com?possums to make $$$ using your PC.
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Eosinophils only kill parasites. They’re not related to passive smoking, or a result of passive smoking. They can most commonly be a result of an allergy, such as hayfever. [plus, they can cause asthma.] Stop pretending to be a scientist. Vanessa
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Eosinophils only kill parasites. They’re not related to passive smoking, or a result of passive smoking. They can most commonly be a result of an allergy, such as hayfever. [plus, they can cause asthma.] Stop pretending to be a scientist. Vanessa
Ok Sherlock, first you say they *only* kill parasites, then you say they result from allergies. But how can they result from allergies to then function as parasite killers? Makes no sense to me, BTW I am a scientist. Eosinophils counts are higher in parasite infested animals, and in allergic reactions. They cannot cause asthma. You need to read up before slamming a medical opinion. Take a course in logic and another in technical writing. Kyla, DVM
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Oh my GOD! Watering lawns causes cancer in dogs who smoke indoors! Oddly, I was just out in the front yard talking to my next-door neighbor. She was watering her lawn and smoking. We were discussing other matters and she mentioned that she always smokes outside because her Golden Retriever used to get very sick when she smoked indoors. Now that she smokes only outside, the dog has never gotten sick again. Not exactly scientific evidence but there you have it. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail)
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I reserve the right to kill myself the way I choose. I also acknowledge the safety of others, including my babies There does not have to be a confict in that. I have my room. Those that choose to visit me in my room know that there will be traces of cigarette smoke. I choose not to smoke a cigarette when I have visitors, but I cannot control the idiot cat! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone who smokes in a home or place with another person or *body* is ignorant if they don’t think it’s hurting those around them. For everyone that preaches anything in any animal news group about the safety or well being of any pet should not be a smoker. It’s so hypocritical. Mini Me (Yeah, Baby!) Remove (one billion dollars) before replying. x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com
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Second hand smoke affects animals as it does people. What we see most often is allergic reactions to the smoke. The RAST allergy test we use includes tobacco smoke and many animals appear to be sensitive. Some, presumably smokers, may make light of second hand smoke but it does cause clinical problems in some pets. We have many owners that although they have not given up smoking no longer smoke indoors.We applaud their concern. JEP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh my GOD! Watering lawns causes cancer in dogs who smoke indoors! Oddly, I was just out in the front yard talking to my next-door neighbor. She was watering her lawn and smoking. We were discussing other matters and she mentioned that she always smokes outside because her Golden Retriever used to get very sick when she smoked indoors. Now that she smokes only outside, the dog has never gotten sick again. Not exactly scientific evidence but there you have it. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) — Go to http://www.getpaid4.com?possums to make $$$ using your PC.
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It may be that animals only suffer the more minor reactions to smoke, as you mention, rather than actually developing cancer, since they are smart enough to leave the area which the human is smoking. While we humans stay nearby, inhaling more. Just another example of our pets being smarter than ourselves! ;-) — "For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism."
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Second hand smoke affects animals as it does people. What we see most often is allergic reactions to the smoke. The RAST allergy test we use includes tobacco smoke and many animals appear to be sensitive. Some, presumably smokers, may make light of second hand smoke but it does cause clinical problems in some pets. We have many owners that although they have not given up smoking no longer smoke indoors.We applaud their concern. JEP Oh my GOD! Watering lawns causes cancer in dogs who smoke indoors! Oddly, I was just out in the front yard talking to my next-door neighbor. She was watering her lawn and smoking. We were discussing other matters and she mentioned that she always smokes outside because her Golden Retriever used to get very sick when she smoked indoors. Now that she smokes only outside, the dog has never gotten sick again. Not exactly scientific evidence but there you have it. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) — Go to http://www.getpaid4.com?possums to make $$$ using your PC. — JEP vet http://www.wbvc.bc.ca Before you buy.
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x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her?
I can’t imagine doggy lungs being any different to human lungs, which is why dogs often end up as lab animals You could try giving the facts regarding second hand smoke, but IMHO, most smokers don’t tend to be too concerned about other people’s (or animals) health, even if the passive smokers are their very own family. Godd luck though, your message might get through. I hope it does. Yowie
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Yep, here we go again, can’t say for certain. = bs!
Dave, are you an angry smoker? There are lung cancer studies done on beagles. You can search them out, I don’t have time to do it for you. I have read them in the past, and they do prove that breathing cigarette smoke is just as dangerous for dogs as for humans. The reason more dogs don’t show us the lung damage is simply related to the lifespan of dogs. They usually die of something else before the lung damage does them in. Kyla, DVM
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You could maybe do a search on second hand smoke on the web and the impact it has on people … it’s every bit as harmful. (Can’t give you specific examples pertaining to pets though … sorry) It’s very selfish of your friends to force their bad habit on innocent pets who have no choice in the matter. It’s been my experience though that some smokers put their habit before all else … in fact a friend of mine won’t go to lunch with me anymore cus I asked her not to smoke during the meal … she prefers to dine with smokes, which kinda hurts.
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I know the cancer rate in my cats went down after I quit 6 years ago. Twyla Jane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com
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I can’t say for certain, but I would suspect that second hand smoke might be almost as bad for our pets as for children. Children have small airways so more of the smoke is going to be able be caught in the mucus (and they breathe more often) than adults and childrens cells are more sensitive to carcinogens than adult cells because they are dividing more frequently. Dividing and growing means that there can be more damage relative to cells that are dividing only infrequently to produce replacements. They pets are not growing as quickly perhaps, but they do have smaller airways and they do breathe faster. This I suspect should lead to more problems from second hand smoke for pets than an adult human but less than a human child. Of course, kittens and pups will have as much perhaps more problems than a human infant. They are smaller to start and grow much faster. Larry Osborne
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Ask yourself, does it affect humans? Cats and Dogs lungs work in just the same way as ours.
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Oddly, I was just out in the front yard talking to my next-door neighbor. She was watering her lawn and smoking. We were discussing other matters and she mentioned that she always smokes outside because her Golden Retriever used to get very sick when she smoked indoors. Now that she smokes only outside, the dog has never gotten sick again. Not exactly scientific evidence but there you have it. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail)
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Anyone who smokes in a home or place with another person or *body* is ignorant if they don’t think it’s hurting those around them. For everyone that preaches anything in any animal news group about the safety or well being of any pet should not be a smoker. It’s so hypocritical. Mini Me (Yeah, Baby!) Remove (one billion dollars) before replying.
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Oh come on! Facts please, so the idiot lurkers dont start another war 97% of all animates die of cancer. FACT. Stop putting your butts up their butts did you? Thats about the only difference you quitting doing that would have. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know the cancer rate in my cats went down after I quit 6 years ago. Twyla Jane
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Yes Tracy, nobody knows of any studies, but they are always prepared to come up with these FACTS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a vet about six years ago tell me that secondhand smoke damages the lungs of pets. I don’t know of any studies, but I am sure if you did an internet search you could find one. Tracy x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com
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Yep, here we go again, can’t say for certain. = bs! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t say for certain, but I would suspect that second hand smoke might be almost as bad for our pets as for children. Children have small airways so more of the smoke is going to be able be caught in the mucus (and they breathe more often) than adults and childrens cells are more sensitive to carcinogens than adult cells because they are dividing more frequently. Dividing and growing means that there can be more damage relative to cells that are dividing only infrequently to produce replacements. They pets are not growing as quickly perhaps, but they do have smaller airways and they do breathe faster. This I suspect should lead to more problems from second hand smoke for pets than an adult human but less than a human child. Of course, kittens and pups will have as much perhaps more problems than a human infant. They are smaller to start and grow much faster. Larry Osborne x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com
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I would simply assume that being an oxygen-breathing mammal with lungs, that they would be just as prone to damage by second hand smoke as any other animal, of which humans are, too. Dogs are a little different in the way Cancers sometimes act in them, from what I understand, but I can’t imagine that constantly being around smoke would do no harm. GH
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I smoked for 14 years, actually. I quit just about 2 months ago. I didn’t smoke in the same room with my animals and I think it’s ridiculous to say that a smoker shouldn’t say anything about the safety or well being of animals. Mine are very healthy and well cared for, which is far more than I can say for greater than 70% of the patients I see every shift. And most of their delightful owners are non-smoking jerks. Although I am very pleased not to be smoking any longer, I do not feel that a persons choice to smoke or not smoke has anything to do with the content of their character or their ability to be a good, loving, and responsible pet owner. And a little more on topic, last months BirdTalk ran an article about the effects of second hand smoke on birds. And I believe that there have been some studies published in the JAVMA also. For everyone that preaches anything in any animal news group about the safety or well being of any pet should not be a smoker. It’s so hypocritical.
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I had a vet about six years ago tell me that secondhand smoke damages the lungs of pets. I don’t know of any studies, but I am sure if you did an internet search you could find one. Tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com
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I don’t know. It sounds like he’s being sarcastic, and that a cat wouldn’t have a choice. IMO. Mini Me (Yeah, Baby!) Remove (one billion dollars) before replying.
Oh okay and the cat understands this right? You really are a moron. Time for the killfile. I suggest everyone else do the same.
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Oh come on! Facts please, so the idiot lurkers dont start another war 97% of all animates die of cancer. FACT.
Would you like to quote your source for this factoid (which is patently false)? Kyla, DVM
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eosinophil: A white cell of the category known as granulocytes. These cells contain numerous dense granules in their cytoplasm that comprise a battery of highly active digestive chemicals and toxins. Their chief role is thought to be in combatting large parasites, although occasionally their activity may be triggered by other agents, potentially leading to damage of normal tissues (see eosinophilia myalgia syndrome). Source: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/cfs/glossary.htm New Light Shed On The Enigmatic Eosinophil Granulocyte; A Versatile Cell Of The Immune System. Arne Egesten and Johan Malm* – Abstract Eosinophils normally constitute only a few per cent of circulating leukocytes, though they are more numerous in tissues vulnerable to attack by environmental microorganisms. Eosinophils can kill invasive parasites, but they also have immunoregulatory functions and may be involved in, for example, the connective tissue remodeling that occurs in conjunction with inflammation. Although their effects may be beneficial to the host, for instance in the event of helminthic infestation, they may also cause tissue damage, for example in allergy and asthma. Recent years have witnessed significant advances in our knowledge of these fascinating but still enigmatic cells. Source: http://www.broombio.demon.co.uk/jifcc/Articles/eosinophil/new_light_s… the_enigmatic_.htm iet controls cat’s food allergies – DR. ROBERT SCOTT D.V.M. – - Special To The News Herald Dear Dr. Scott, A few months ago my cat Callie began vomiting after every meal. My veterinarian said Callie had a high eosinophil count and switched her to a special diet of chicken, dried duck, and potatoes. Since I have started her on the new diet, the vomiting has stopped. Can you tell me what eosinophils are, and why they caused her to vomit after eating? Melissa Dear Melissa, An eosinophil is a type of white blood cell that usually comprises from 2 to 12 percent of a cat’s total white blood cells. However, this percentage may rise dramatically if the cat is infected with parasites or if the animal is having an allergic response to something. This is due to the fact that eosinophils mobilize to help kill parasites as well as to help rid the body of the irritating substance causing the allergic reaction. Because Callie had a high eosinophil count, your veterinarian no doubt suspected an allergy or a parasite. You did not mention if Callie was tested for parasites or not, but because she has improved on her new diet, her problem was most likely a food allergy. Food allergies are relatively rare in cats, but when they do occur, they can cause many unpleasant problems such as vomiting, diarrhea, itching, and skin lesions. Source: http://www.newsherald.com/archive/lifestyle/vs121497.htm Table 1. Likely and less likely causes of eosinophilia on the basis of severity (absolute eosinophil count) Likely causes Less likely causes —- Mild (0.7-1.5 X 109/L) Allergic rhinitis Neoplasm Hay fever or atopy Gastrointestinal disease Extrinsic asthma Skin disease Drug reaction Certain infectious diseases Parasitic disease Long-term dialysis Occupational lung disease Radiation therapy Immunodeficiency state Source: http://www.postgradmed.com/issues/1999/03_99/brigden.htm The immune response to infection IL5 also secreted by Th2 cells recruits eosinophils which can kill parasites by exocytosing a cytotoxic protein, cationic basic protein. Source: http://rheumb.bham.ac.uk/teaching/clinimmunol/ci_chap1.htm ALLERGY & ASTHMA JOURNAL WATCH – JANUARY 2000 The color of sputum samples from asthmatics was found to correlate with quantity of inflammatory cells and bacteria. The more the sputum appeared yellow or green, the greater were the number of neutrophils (cells associated with infection) and amount of cultured bacteria (also suggesting infection). The quantity of eosinophils (cells associated with allergies) did not vary with sputum color. There was no difference between asthmatic smokers and nonsmokers. JACI 1/00, p.182 Source: http://www.allergyjournals.com/jan00.html Eosinophils – mischief-makers in asthma Whatever are eosinophils? Eosinophils are a type of white blood cell (corpuscle) and take up the red dye eosin when blood is examined under a microscope by the commonest method. They accumulate wherever allergic reactions like those in asthma take place. Their natural role is to defend us against parasites. In fact allergies such as asthma are probably a malfunction of our protective mechanism against parasites. Diagram of eosinophil as seen under the microscope after staining a blood smear with the red dye eosin, which stains the granules in the cytoplasm and with haematoxylin, which stains the nucleus blue. In the body all these things are colourless, of course. The nucleus consists of two lobes. The red-stained granules contain toxic proteins, ready for secretion from the cell. The toxins from the granules are important for killing parasites, but in asthma they are released inappropriately and damage the lining of the air passages. It is one of the objectives of asthma treatment to stop eosinophils from accumulating in your lungs and to stop those already there from causing damage. Steroid inhalers have a key role in doing this. In normal blood, eosinophils amount to about 0 to 3 percent of the white blood cells, but this is not such a good guide because variation in the number of other cells alters this figure. A figure of 0 percent normally just means that there were no eosinophils among the limited number of white blood cells examined by the technician, and this is quite normal. If the counting is done by machine, eosinophils are normally not counted at all, perhaps giving the false impression that there are none. It is better to express the number of eosinophils in blood as the number in a unit of volume. The normal range is about 0.04 to 0.4 eosinophils x 10^9 per litre in the UK, or 40,000,000 to 400,000,000 per litre, or 40 to 400 per cubic millimetre (microlitre). Source: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~aair/eosinophils.htm Misguided immune cells are to blame As long ago as the early 1900s, scientists knew eosinophils (e-o-SIN-o-fils), a type of immune cell made in bone marrow, played a major role in asthma. Early researchers found inflamed airway tissue, densely infiltrated by these white blood cells, in people with asthma. In 1979, Mayo Clinic researchers identified a protein within eosinophils, called major basic protein, that can damage tissue lining the airways. Now researchers have uncovered an entire network of cells and substances involved in the process. The role of each is still under study. Once immune cells are activated, the process becomes cyclic, with substances activating and reactivating each other, even after the original trigger is removed. Over time, if triggering events keep recurring, results of inflammation promote more severe asthma and recurrent attacks. Source: http://www.mayohealth.org/mayo/9602/htm/asthma2.htm The Allergic Response. In people who have asthma caused by an allergic response, various airborne allergens or other triggers set off a cascade of events in the immune system that lead to inflammation and hyperreactivity in the airways. The process is not completely understood, but the conductor in this orchestra of immune factors appears to be subgroups of white blood cells known as helper T-cells. These subgroups, TH2-cells, and specifically those known as gamma delta T cells, overproduce interleukins (IL), a subgroup of immune factors known as cytokines, which are powerful inflammatory agents. Of special interest are IL 9, IL 5, and IL 13. Interleukin 5, for example, appears to attract eosinophil cells, which are important players in airway hyperreactivity. Interleukin 9 stimulates the release of antibodies known as immunoglobulin E (IgE). During an allergic attack, these antibodies can bind to various cells in the immune system, including eosinophils, basophils, and mast cells, which are generally concentrated in the lungs, skin, and mucous membranes. Once IgE binds to mast cells, these cells are programmed to release a number of chemicals, particularly those known as leukotrienes, that cause inflammatory changes in the airways of the lungs, including narrowing of the airways, mucus production, and stimulation of nerve endings in the airway lining. Source: http://www.discoveryhealth.com/DH/ihtIH/WSDSC000/20812/21983/258429.html THE ACTUAL CAUSE OF ASTHMA IS STILL NOT KNOWN! By 1995, the definition of asthma changed to that of a chronic inflammatory disorder of the airways involving mast cells, eosinophils and T-lymphocytes (cells that migrate from the blood stream into the tissues of the lungs mediating an inflammatory reaction in the lungs). This inflammation is associated with airway hyper-responsiveness, airflow limitation (at least partially reversible) producing the respiratory symptoms of wheezing, breathlessness, cough and chest tightness. Source: http://www.physicianmd.net/pulmonary_medicine.htm CURRENT RESEARCH: Dr Andrew Wardlaw = Leicester University Role of Protease Activated Receptors (PARs) in Eosinophil Activation Eosinophils are thought to be important in causing asthma. To cause asthma eosinophils need first to get into the lungs and secondly to release their inflammatory chemicals into the tissue. This requires the eosinophils to be switched from a resting to an activated (turned on) state. I believe that a new family of membrane proteins called protease activated receptors (PARs) are responsible for this process. The work outlined in this proposal is to see which members of the PAR family are … read more »
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Okay and where did this "fact" come from? It is NOT true. Renal failure makes up a big percentage of animal deaths.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh come on! Facts please, so the idiot lurkers dont start another war 97% of all animates die of cancer. FACT. Stop putting your butts up their butts did you? Thats about the only difference you quitting doing that would have. I know the cancer rate in my cats went down after I quit 6 years ago. Twyla Jane
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Oh okay and the cat understands this right? You really are a moron. Time for the killfile. I suggest everyone else do the same.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I reserve the right to kill myself the way I choose. I also acknowledge the safety of others, including my babies There does not have to be a confict in that. I have my room. Those that choose to visit me in my room know that there will be traces of cigarette smoke. I choose not to smoke a cigarette when I have visitors, but I cannot control the idiot cat! Anyone who smokes in a home or place with another person or *body* is ignorant if they don’t think it’s hurting those around them. For everyone that preaches anything in any animal news group about the safety or well being of any pet should not be a smoker. It’s so hypocritical. Mini Me (Yeah, Baby!) Remove (one billion dollars) before replying. x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com — Go to http://www.getpaid4.com?possums to make $$$ using your PC.
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Eosinophils only kill parasites. They’re not related to passive smoking, or a result of passive smoking. They can most commonly be a result of an allergy, such as hayfever. [plus, they can cause asthma.] Stop pretending to be a scientist. Vanessa
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just saw a case 2 weeks back. 9m chihuahua with owners who were heavy smokers. Dog was presented for coughing and inappetance. Bld tests showed increased eosinophils. Conclude for yourself.
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Eosinophils only kill parasites. They’re not related to passive smoking, or a result of passive smoking. They can most commonly be a result of an allergy, such as hayfever. [plus, they can cause asthma.] Stop pretending to be a scientist. Vanessa
Ok Sherlock, first you say they *only* kill parasites, then you say they result from allergies. But how can they result from allergies to then function as parasite killers? Makes no sense to me, BTW I am a scientist. Eosinophils counts are higher in parasite infested animals, and in allergic reactions. They cannot cause asthma. You need to read up before slamming a medical opinion. Take a course in logic and another in technical writing. Kyla, DVM
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Oh my GOD! Watering lawns causes cancer in dogs who smoke indoors! Oddly, I was just out in the front yard talking to my next-door neighbor. She was watering her lawn and smoking. We were discussing other matters and she mentioned that she always smokes outside because her Golden Retriever used to get very sick when she smoked indoors. Now that she smokes only outside, the dog has never gotten sick again. Not exactly scientific evidence but there you have it. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail)
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I reserve the right to kill myself the way I choose. I also acknowledge the safety of others, including my babies There does not have to be a confict in that. I have my room. Those that choose to visit me in my room know that there will be traces of cigarette smoke. I choose not to smoke a cigarette when I have visitors, but I cannot control the idiot cat! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone who smokes in a home or place with another person or *body* is ignorant if they don’t think it’s hurting those around them. For everyone that preaches anything in any animal news group about the safety or well being of any pet should not be a smoker. It’s so hypocritical. Mini Me (Yeah, Baby!) Remove (one billion dollars) before replying. x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com
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Second hand smoke affects animals as it does people. What we see most often is allergic reactions to the smoke. The RAST allergy test we use includes tobacco smoke and many animals appear to be sensitive. Some, presumably smokers, may make light of second hand smoke but it does cause clinical problems in some pets. We have many owners that although they have not given up smoking no longer smoke indoors.We applaud their concern. JEP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh my GOD! Watering lawns causes cancer in dogs who smoke indoors! Oddly, I was just out in the front yard talking to my next-door neighbor. She was watering her lawn and smoking. We were discussing other matters and she mentioned that she always smokes outside because her Golden Retriever used to get very sick when she smoked indoors. Now that she smokes only outside, the dog has never gotten sick again. Not exactly scientific evidence but there you have it. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) — Go to http://www.getpaid4.com?possums to make $$$ using your PC.
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It may be that animals only suffer the more minor reactions to smoke, as you mention, rather than actually developing cancer, since they are smart enough to leave the area which the human is smoking. While we humans stay nearby, inhaling more. Just another example of our pets being smarter than ourselves! ;-) — "For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism."
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Second hand smoke affects animals as it does people. What we see most often is allergic reactions to the smoke. The RAST allergy test we use includes tobacco smoke and many animals appear to be sensitive. Some, presumably smokers, may make light of second hand smoke but it does cause clinical problems in some pets. We have many owners that although they have not given up smoking no longer smoke indoors.We applaud their concern. JEP Oh my GOD! Watering lawns causes cancer in dogs who smoke indoors! Oddly, I was just out in the front yard talking to my next-door neighbor. She was watering her lawn and smoking. We were discussing other matters and she mentioned that she always smokes outside because her Golden Retriever used to get very sick when she smoked indoors. Now that she smokes only outside, the dog has never gotten sick again. Not exactly scientific evidence but there you have it. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) — Go to http://www.getpaid4.com?possums to make $$$ using your PC. — JEP vet http://www.wbvc.bc.ca Before you buy.
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x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her?
I can’t imagine doggy lungs being any different to human lungs, which is why dogs often end up as lab animals You could try giving the facts regarding second hand smoke, but IMHO, most smokers don’t tend to be too concerned about other people’s (or animals) health, even if the passive smokers are their very own family. Godd luck though, your message might get through. I hope it does. Yowie
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Yep, here we go again, can’t say for certain. = bs!
Dave, are you an angry smoker? There are lung cancer studies done on beagles. You can search them out, I don’t have time to do it for you. I have read them in the past, and they do prove that breathing cigarette smoke is just as dangerous for dogs as for humans. The reason more dogs don’t show us the lung damage is simply related to the lifespan of dogs. They usually die of something else before the lung damage does them in. Kyla, DVM
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You could maybe do a search on second hand smoke on the web and the impact it has on people … it’s every bit as harmful. (Can’t give you specific examples pertaining to pets though … sorry) It’s very selfish of your friends to force their bad habit on innocent pets who have no choice in the matter. It’s been my experience though that some smokers put their habit before all else … in fact a friend of mine won’t go to lunch with me anymore cus I asked her not to smoke during the meal … she prefers to dine with smokes, which kinda hurts.
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I know the cancer rate in my cats went down after I quit 6 years ago. Twyla Jane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com
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I can’t say for certain, but I would suspect that second hand smoke might be almost as bad for our pets as for children. Children have small airways so more of the smoke is going to be able be caught in the mucus (and they breathe more often) than adults and childrens cells are more sensitive to carcinogens than adult cells because they are dividing more frequently. Dividing and growing means that there can be more damage relative to cells that are dividing only infrequently to produce replacements. They pets are not growing as quickly perhaps, but they do have smaller airways and they do breathe faster. This I suspect should lead to more problems from second hand smoke for pets than an adult human but less than a human child. Of course, kittens and pups will have as much perhaps more problems than a human infant. They are smaller to start and grow much faster. Larry Osborne
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Ask yourself, does it affect humans? Cats and Dogs lungs work in just the same way as ours.
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Oddly, I was just out in the front yard talking to my next-door neighbor. She was watering her lawn and smoking. We were discussing other matters and she mentioned that she always smokes outside because her Golden Retriever used to get very sick when she smoked indoors. Now that she smokes only outside, the dog has never gotten sick again. Not exactly scientific evidence but there you have it. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail)
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Anyone who smokes in a home or place with another person or *body* is ignorant if they don’t think it’s hurting those around them. For everyone that preaches anything in any animal news group about the safety or well being of any pet should not be a smoker. It’s so hypocritical. Mini Me (Yeah, Baby!) Remove (one billion dollars) before replying.
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Oh come on! Facts please, so the idiot lurkers dont start another war 97% of all animates die of cancer. FACT. Stop putting your butts up their butts did you? Thats about the only difference you quitting doing that would have. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know the cancer rate in my cats went down after I quit 6 years ago. Twyla Jane
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Yes Tracy, nobody knows of any studies, but they are always prepared to come up with these FACTS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a vet about six years ago tell me that secondhand smoke damages the lungs of pets. I don’t know of any studies, but I am sure if you did an internet search you could find one. Tracy x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com
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Yep, here we go again, can’t say for certain. = bs! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t say for certain, but I would suspect that second hand smoke might be almost as bad for our pets as for children. Children have small airways so more of the smoke is going to be able be caught in the mucus (and they breathe more often) than adults and childrens cells are more sensitive to carcinogens than adult cells because they are dividing more frequently. Dividing and growing means that there can be more damage relative to cells that are dividing only infrequently to produce replacements. They pets are not growing as quickly perhaps, but they do have smaller airways and they do breathe faster. This I suspect should lead to more problems from second hand smoke for pets than an adult human but less than a human child. Of course, kittens and pups will have as much perhaps more problems than a human infant. They are smaller to start and grow much faster. Larry Osborne x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com
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I would simply assume that being an oxygen-breathing mammal with lungs, that they would be just as prone to damage by second hand smoke as any other animal, of which humans are, too. Dogs are a little different in the way Cancers sometimes act in them, from what I understand, but I can’t imagine that constantly being around smoke would do no harm. GH
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I smoked for 14 years, actually. I quit just about 2 months ago. I didn’t smoke in the same room with my animals and I think it’s ridiculous to say that a smoker shouldn’t say anything about the safety or well being of animals. Mine are very healthy and well cared for, which is far more than I can say for greater than 70% of the patients I see every shift. And most of their delightful owners are non-smoking jerks. Although I am very pleased not to be smoking any longer, I do not feel that a persons choice to smoke or not smoke has anything to do with the content of their character or their ability to be a good, loving, and responsible pet owner. And a little more on topic, last months BirdTalk ran an article about the effects of second hand smoke on birds. And I believe that there have been some studies published in the JAVMA also. For everyone that preaches anything in any animal news group about the safety or well being of any pet should not be a smoker. It’s so hypocritical.
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I had a vet about six years ago tell me that secondhand smoke damages the lungs of pets. I don’t know of any studies, but I am sure if you did an internet search you could find one. Tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive:yes I am aware of friends who have a dog and two cats, and both the husband and wife are smokers. I was asked if "2nd hand smoke" could be damaging to the pets’ health. I advised the person to tell the owners to smoke outside, because she told me the dog "coughs" alot now. Is there any direct evidence that cigarette smoking endangers a cat or dog? I believe it does, but I cannot state this as a fact. What should I tell her? (ken) See My Digital Photos: http://www.MillenniumAdventures.com
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Thanks for listening. While my friends are sympathetic, they just don’t understand my level of frustration with this disease. Post any responses to the group or to my email. Thanks again. Terry 