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I can’t understand, especially after the example of Katrina, why the leader of the free world, George Bush, isn’t doing something about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), a threat that could drown us all, especially given that DHMO is more pervasive than DDT and that we have always known about it: http://www.dhmo.org/ Check out especially the wriggling of the EPA, who knows all about DHMO, on the conspiracy page, and what FEMA admits it didn’t know about DHMO on another page. If you’re fed up with environmental threats and just want a quick glance, a quick look at the pic near the top of this page will horrify you: http://www.dhmo.org/environment.html: Thanks for the reminder, Flipper. Andre Jute Chemists will be discreet

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courageously avow: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I can’t understand, especially after the example of Katrina, why the leader of the free world, George Bush, isn’t doing something about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), a threat that could drown us all, especially given that DHMO is more pervasive than DDT and that we have always known about it: http://www.dhmo.org/ Check out especially the wriggling of the EPA, who knows all about DHMO, on the conspiracy page, and what FEMA admits it didn’t know about DHMO on another page. If you’re fed up with environmental threats and just want a quick glance, a quick look at the pic near the top of this page will horrify you: http://www.dhmo.org/environment.html: Thanks for the reminder, Flipper. Andre Jute Chemists will be discreet

Andre’s fear of water is rather un-amusing. Ken Wilson "Goodnight Andre Jute, wherever you are.  Jesus loves you."

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The reason garlic is so toxic, the sulphone hydroxyl ion penetrates the blood-brain barrier, just like DMSO, and is a specific poison for higher-life forms and brain cells. We discovered this, much to our horror, when I (Bob Beck, DSc) was the world’s largest manufacturer of ethical EEG feedback equipment. We’d have people come back from lunch that looked clinically dead on an encephalograph, which we used to calibrate their progress. "Well, what happened?" "Well, I went to an Italian restaurant and there was some garlic in my salad dressing!" So we had them sign things that they wouldn’t touch garlic before classes or we were wasting their time, their money and my time. I guess some of you who are pilots or have been in flight tests…I was in flight test engineering in Doc Hallan’s group in the 1950’s. The flight surgeon would come around every month and remind all of us: "Don’t you dare touch any garlic 72 hours before you fly one of our airplanes, because it’ll double or triple your reaction time. You’re three times slower than you would be if you’d not had a few drops of garlic." Well, we didn’t know why for 20 years later, until I owned the Alpha-Metrics Corporation. We were building biofeed-back equipment and found out that garlic usually desynchronises your brain waves. So I funded a study at Stanford and, sure enough, they found that it’s a poison. You can rub a clove of garlic on your foot – a you can smell it shortly later on your wrists. So it penetrates the body. This is why DMSO smells a lot like garlic: that sulphone hydroxyl ion penetrates all the barriers including the corpus callosum in the brain. Any of you who are organic gardeners know that if you don’t want to use DDT, garlic will kill anything in the way of insects. Now, most people have heard most of their lives garlic is good for you, and we put those people in the same class of ignorance as the mothers who at the turn of the century would buy morphine sulphate in the drugstore and give it to their babies to put’em to sleep. If you have any patients who have low-grade headaches or attention deficit disorder, they can’t quite focus on the computer in the after-noon, just do an experiment – you owe it to yourselves. Take these people off garlic and see how much better they get, very very shortly. And then let them eat a little garlic after about three weeks. They’ll say "My God, I had no idea that this was the cause of our problems." And this includes the de-skunked garlic’s, Kyolic, some of the other products. Very unpopular, but I’ve got to tell you the truth. http://www.relfe.com/health_benefits_of_garlic.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t understand, especially after the example of Katrina, why the leader of the free world, George Bush, isn’t doing something about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), a threat that could drown us all, especially given that DHMO is more pervasive than DDT and that we have always known about it: http://www.dhmo.org/ Check out especially the wriggling of the EPA, who knows all about DHMO, on the conspiracy page, and what FEMA admits it didn’t know about DHMO on another page. If you’re fed up with environmental threats and just want a quick glance, a quick look at the pic near the top of this page will horrify you: http://www.dhmo.org/environment.html: Thanks for the reminder, Flipper. Andre Jute Chemists will be discreet

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Away to cook with garlic immediately. Halloween is coming. –AJ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The reason garlic is so toxic, the sulphone hydroxyl ion penetrates the blood-brain barrier, just like DMSO, and is a specific poison for higher-life forms and brain cells. We discovered this, much to our horror, when I (Bob Beck, DSc) was the world’s largest manufacturer of ethical EEG feedback equipment. We’d have people come back from lunch that looked clinically dead on an encephalograph, which we used to calibrate their progress. "Well, what happened?" "Well, I went to an Italian restaurant and there was some garlic in my salad dressing!" So we had them sign things that they wouldn’t touch garlic before classes or we were wasting their time, their money and my time. I guess some of you who are pilots or have been in flight tests…I was in flight test engineering in Doc Hallan’s group in the 1950’s. The flight surgeon would come around every month and remind all of us: "Don’t you dare touch any garlic 72 hours before you fly one of our airplanes, because it’ll double or triple your reaction time. You’re three times slower than you would be if you’d not had a few drops of garlic." Well, we didn’t know why for 20 years later, until I owned the Alpha-Metrics Corporation. We were building biofeed-back equipment and found out that garlic usually desynchronises your brain waves. So I funded a study at Stanford and, sure enough, they found that it’s a poison. You can rub a clove of garlic on your foot – a you can smell it shortly later on your wrists. So it penetrates the body. This is why DMSO smells a lot like garlic: that sulphone hydroxyl ion penetrates all the barriers including the corpus callosum in the brain. Any of you who are organic gardeners know that if you don’t want to use DDT, garlic will kill anything in the way of insects. Now, most people have heard most of their lives garlic is good for you, and we put those people in the same class of ignorance as the mothers who at the turn of the century would buy morphine sulphate in the drugstore and give it to their babies to put’em to sleep. If you have any patients who have low-grade headaches or attention deficit disorder, they can’t quite focus on the computer in the after-noon, just do an experiment – you owe it to yourselves. Take these people off garlic and see how much better they get, very very shortly. And then let them eat a little garlic after about three weeks. They’ll say "My God, I had no idea that this was the cause of our problems." And this includes the de-skunked garlic’s, Kyolic, some of the other products. Very unpopular, but I’ve got to tell you the truth. http://www.relfe.com/health_benefits_of_garlic.html I can’t understand, especially after the example of Katrina, why the leader of the free world, George Bush, isn’t doing something about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), a threat that could drown us all, especially given that DHMO is more pervasive than DDT and that we have always known about it: http://www.dhmo.org/ Check out especially the wriggling of the EPA, who knows all about DHMO, on the conspiracy page, and what FEMA admits it didn’t know about DHMO on another page. If you’re fed up with environmental threats and just want a quick glance, a quick look at the pic near the top of this page will horrify you: http://www.dhmo.org/environment.html: Thanks for the reminder, Flipper. Andre Jute Chemists will be discreet

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The reason garlic is so toxic, the sulphone hydroxyl ion penetrates the blood-brain barrier, just like DMSO, and is a specific poison for higher-life forms and brain cells I’m interested – I’ve been eating a lot of garlic recently and find slight memory glitches I didn’t expect (may be growing old – at 58) . I can cut out garlic quite easily if it’s useful. My question is what about related stuff like onions and leeks?

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Enough is enough. I’ve already given up superglue, acapulco red, amphiinks, ddt, amino whatsismacallit what I call paracetamol, nicotine, tannin, caffein and sanguinary products.  I’m not giving up garlic, onion and leek as well just because some Green moonbat wants it. I’ll give up moonbats instead. — Andre Jute – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The reason garlic is so toxic, the sulphone hydroxyl ion penetrates the blood-brain barrier, just like DMSO, and is a specific poison for higher-life forms and brain cells I’m interested – I’ve been eating a lot of garlic recently and find slight memory glitches I didn’t expect (may be growing old – at 58) . I can cut out garlic quite easily if it’s useful. My question is what about related stuff like onions and leeks?

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water – high school.

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ROFLMBFAO!  ;-) LV – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t understand, especially after the example of Katrina, why the leader of the free world, George Bush, isn’t doing something about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), a threat that could drown us all, especially given that DHMO is more pervasive than DDT and that we have always known about it: http://www.dhmo.org/ Check out especially the wriggling of the EPA, who knows all about DHMO, on the conspiracy page, and what FEMA admits it didn’t know about DHMO on another page. If you’re fed up with environmental threats and just want a quick glance, a quick look at the pic near the top of this page will horrify you: http://www.dhmo.org/environment.html: Thanks for the reminder, Flipper. Andre Jute Chemists will be discreet

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Thank God for Coca Cola company which had found a way to distribute DHMO in safe and biodegradable formats. I used to take mine right out of the tap, but now Coca Cola puts it is a can for me–scientifically proven to remove all harmful side effects of DHMO for the next 12 hours.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I can’t understand, especially after the example of Katrina, why the leader of the free world, George Bush, isn’t doing something about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), a threat that could drown us all, especially given that DHMO is more pervasive than DDT and that we have always known about it: http://www.dhmo.org/ Check out especially the wriggling of the EPA, who knows all about DHMO, on the conspiracy page, and what FEMA admits it didn’t know about DHMO on another page. If you’re fed up with environmental threats and just want a quick glance, a quick look at the pic near the top of this page will horrify you: http://www.dhmo.org/environment.html: Thanks for the reminder, Flipper. Andre Jute Chemists will be discreet

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t understand, especially after the example of Katrina, why the leader of the free world, George Bush, isn’t doing something about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), a threat that could drown us all, especially given that DHMO is more pervasive than DDT and that we have always known about it: http://www.dhmo.org/ Check out especially the wriggling of the EPA, who knows all about DHMO, on the conspiracy page, and what FEMA admits it didn’t know about DHMO on another page. If you’re fed up with environmental threats and just want a quick glance, a quick look at the pic near the top of this page will horrify you: http://www.dhmo.org/environment.html: Thanks for the reminder, Flipper. Andre Jute Chemists will be discreet

It’s simple, Andre. Dubya hasn’t outlawed DHMO because he figures Halliburton can corner the market on the stuff, thereby making a mint for G. Dipshit Bush and his cronies. He’s probably making a deal with Coca Cola to get a cut of Dasani sales. Of course, that may fall through if W decides to blame the stuff for global warming.   –E

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courageously avow: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t understand, especially after the example of Katrina, why the leader of the free world, George Bush, isn’t doing something about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), a threat that could drown us all, especially given that DHMO is more pervasive than DDT and that we have always known about it: http://www.dhmo.org/ Check out especially the wriggling of the EPA, who knows all about DHMO, on the conspiracy page, and what FEMA admits it didn’t know about DHMO on another page. If you’re fed up with environmental threats and just want a quick glance, a quick look at the pic near the top of this page will horrify you: http://www.dhmo.org/environment.html: Thanks for the reminder, Flipper. Andre Jute Chemists will be discreet It’s simple, Andre. Dubya hasn’t outlawed DHMO because he figures Halliburton can corner the market on the stuff, thereby making a mint for G. Dipshit Bush and his cronies. He’s probably making a deal with Coca Cola to get a cut of Dasani sales. Of course, that may fall through if W decides to blame the stuff for global warming.  –E

Global warming has been the primary cause of the increase in atmospheric DMHO emissions, not to say the additional quantities which are now found to be lingering on the surface and not being reabsorbed by the atmosphere or surrounding surface materials. Ken Wilson "Goodnight Andre Jute, wherever you are.  Jesus loves you."

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Thank God for Coca Cola company which had found a way to distribute DHMO in safe and biodegradable formats.

Dubya [is] probably making a deal with Coca Cola to get a cut of Dasani

Gee, Ether, after Vinyl *gave* you the joke, you still took another 4 hours 41 minutes to come up with your own dud copy. Shit man, haven’t you heard of the cheap imagination transplants you can now get in Mexico? I guess some people are born with brains and others are me-tutus. Andre Jute Ban DHMO *before* it Drowns Mankind and Rusts the Planet – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t understand, especially after the example of Katrina, why the leader of the free world, George Bush, isn’t doing something about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), a threat that could drown us all, especially given that DHMO is more pervasive than DDT and that we have always known about it: http://www.dhmo.org/ Check out especially the wriggling of the EPA, who knows all about DHMO, on the conspiracy page, and what FEMA admits it didn’t know about DHMO on another page. If you’re fed up with environmental threats and just want a quick glance, a quick look at the pic near the top of this page will horrify you: http://www.dhmo.org/environment.html: Thanks for the reminder, Flipper. Andre Jute Chemists will be discreet It’s simple, Andre. Dubya hasn’t outlawed DHMO because he figures Halliburton can corner the market on the stuff, thereby making a mint for G. Dipshit Bush and his cronies. He’s probably making a deal with Coca Cola to get a cut of Dasani sales. Of course, that may fall through if W decides to blame the stuff for global warming.   –E

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t understand, especially after the example of Katrina, why the leader of the free world, George Bush, isn’t doing something about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), a threat that could drown us all, especially given that DHMO is more pervasive than DDT and that we have always known about it: http://www.dhmo.org/ Check out especially the wriggling of the EPA, who knows all about DHMO, on the conspiracy page, and what FEMA admits it didn’t know about DHMO on another page. If you’re fed up with environmental threats and just want a quick glance, a quick look at the pic near the top of this page will horrify you: http://www.dhmo.org/environment.html: Thanks for the reminder, Flipper. Andre Jute Chemists will be discreet

One particularly dangerous aspect of DHMO is that it is hydrophilic. In ecosystems where it is known to have been introduced, it can be found in every plant and animal.  That’s scary. And, it promotes food spoilage…in fact, even the ancients knew of this, and they recognized that if they rid certain crops of DHMO they would not spoil. How did they do this?  With RADIATION.  That’s right, RADIATION. Even they knew the danger of DHMO, and would rather take their chances with RADIATION than DHMO.

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courageously avow: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thank God for Coca Cola company which had found a way to distribute DHMO in safe and biodegradable formats. Dubya [is] probably making a deal with Coca Cola to get a cut of Dasani Gee, Ether, after Vinyl *gave* you the joke, you still took another 4 hours 41 minutes to come up with your own dud copy. Shit man, haven’t you heard of the cheap imagination transplants you can now get in Mexico? I guess some people are born with brains and others are me-tutus. Andre Jute Ban DHMO *before* it Drowns Mankind and Rusts the Planet I can’t understand, especially after the example of Katrina, why the leader of the free world, George Bush, isn’t doing something about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), a threat that could drown us all, especially given that DHMO is more pervasive than DDT and that we have always known about it: http://www.dhmo.org/ Check out especially the wriggling of the EPA, who knows all about DHMO, on the conspiracy page, and what FEMA admits it didn’t know about DHMO on another page. If you’re fed up with environmental threats and just want a quick glance, a quick look at the pic near the top of this page will horrify you: http://www.dhmo.org/environment.html: Thanks for the reminder, Flipper. Andre Jute Chemists will be discreet It’s simple, Andre. Dubya hasn’t outlawed DHMO because he figures Halliburton can corner the market on the stuff, thereby making a mint for G. Dipshit Bush and his cronies. He’s probably making a deal with Coca Cola to get a cut of Dasani sales. Of course, that may fall through if W decides to blame the stuff for global warming.   –E

It took LV 12 hours. Ken Wilson "Goodnight Andre Jute, wherever you are.  Jesus loves you."

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t understand, especially after the example of Katrina, why the leader of the free world, George Bush, isn’t doing something about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), a threat that could drown us all, especially given that DHMO is more pervasive than DDT and that we have always known about it: http://www.dhmo.org/ Check out especially the wriggling of the EPA, who knows all about DHMO, on the conspiracy page, and what FEMA admits it didn’t know about DHMO on another page. If you’re fed up with environmental threats and just want a quick glance, a quick look at the pic near the top of this page will horrify you: http://www.dhmo.org/environment.html: Thanks for the reminder, Flipper. Andre Jute Chemists will be discreet It’s simple, Andre. Dubya hasn’t outlawed DHMO because he figures Halliburton can corner the market on the stuff, thereby making a mint for G. Dipshit Bush and his cronies. He’s probably making a deal with Coca Cola to get a cut of Dasani sales. Of course, that may fall through if W decides to blame the stuff for global warming.   –E Thank God for Coca Cola company which had found a way to distribute DHMO in safe and biodegradable formats. Dubya [is] probably making a deal with Coca Cola to get a cut of Dasani Gee, Ether, after Vinyl *gave* you the joke, you still took another 4 hours 41 minutes to come up with your own dud copy. Shit man, haven’t you heard of the cheap imagination transplants you can now get in Mexico?

Poor Andre. Unlike you, I don’t spend every waking hour poring over every crappy little post (like yours) as it comes down the pike. And just to spell it out for your wee little brain: my post both played off of and was an extension of vinyl’s. I wouldn’t expect you to get it. Too subtle for your crude sensibilities. (Not that any four-year-old wouldn’t have picked it up right away.) Or maybe your worship of G. Dipshit just clouded your vision. I guess some people are born with brains and others are me-tutus.

You should know. As Zoot said, this is the oldest schoolboy joke in the book. I believe I first heard it in about the sixth grade. Very mature of you. How funny, too. Really. Soooo funny! Clever boy! For your next act, are you going to call us up and ask if our refrigerators are running? And learn how not to top-post, asswipe.    –E

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t understand, especially after the example of Katrina, why the leader of the free world, George Bush, isn’t doing something about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), a threat that could drown us all, especially given that DHMO is more pervasive than DDT and that we have always known about it: http://www.dhmo.org/ Check out especially the wriggling of the EPA, who knows all about DHMO, on the conspiracy page, and what FEMA admits it didn’t know about DHMO on another page. If you’re fed up with environmental threats and just want a quick glance, a quick look at the pic near the top of this page will horrify you: http://www.dhmo.org/environment.html: Thanks for the reminder, Flipper. Andre Jute Chemists will be discreet One particularly dangerous aspect of DHMO is that it is hydrophilic. In ecosystems where it is known to have been introduced, it can be found in every plant and animal.  That’s scary. And, it promotes food spoilage…in fact, even the ancients knew of this, and they recognized that if they rid certain crops of DHMO they would not spoil. How did they do this?  With RADIATION.  That’s right, RADIATION. Even they knew the danger of DHMO, and would rather take their chances with RADIATION than DHMO.

WTF?

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courageously avow: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t understand, especially after the example of Katrina, why the leader of the free world, George Bush, isn’t doing something about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), a threat that could drown us all, especially given that DHMO is more pervasive than DDT and that we have always known about it: http://www.dhmo.org/ Check out especially the wriggling of the EPA, who knows all about DHMO, on the conspiracy page, and what FEMA admits it didn’t know about DHMO on another page. If you’re fed up with environmental threats and just want a quick glance, a quick look at the pic near the top of this page will horrify you: http://www.dhmo.org/environment.html: Thanks for the reminder, Flipper. Andre Jute Chemists will be discreet It’s simple, Andre. Dubya hasn’t outlawed DHMO because he figures Halliburton can corner the market on the stuff, thereby making a mint for G. Dipshit Bush and his cronies. He’s probably making a deal with Coca Cola to get a cut of Dasani sales. Of course, that may fall through if W decides to blame the stuff for global warming.   –E Thank God for Coca Cola company which had found a way to distribute DHMO in safe and biodegradable formats. Dubya [is] probably making a deal with Coca Cola to get a cut of Dasani Gee, Ether, after Vinyl *gave* you the joke, you still took another 4 hours 41 minutes to come up with your own dud copy. Shit man, haven’t you heard of the cheap imagination transplants you can now get in Mexico? Poor Andre. Unlike you, I don’t spend every waking hour poring over every crappy little post (like yours) as it comes down the pike. And just to spell it out for your wee little brain: my post both played off of and was an extension of vinyl’s. I wouldn’t expect you to get it. Too subtle for your crude sensibilities. (Not that any four-year-old wouldn’t have picked it up right away.) Or maybe your worship of G. Dipshit just clouded your vision. I guess some people are born with brains and others are me-tutus. You should know. As Zoot said, this is the oldest schoolboy joke in the book. I believe I first heard it in about the sixth grade. Very mature of you. How funny, too. Really. Soooo funny! Clever boy! For your next act, are you going to call us up and ask if our refrigerators are running? And learn how not to top-post, asswipe.   –E

His next joke will probably be more subtle, something like "Have you got Prince Albert in a can?"  Maybe he needs a can of that turd polish in case he missed the purchasing opportunity you provided someone else earlier. http://www.squeem.com/Pics/turd-polish2.gif Ken Wilson "Goodnight Andre Jute, wherever you are.  Jesus loves you."

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t understand, especially after the example of Katrina, why the leader of the free world, George Bush, isn’t doing something about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), a threat that could drown us all, especially given that DHMO is more pervasive than DDT and that we have always known about it: http://www.dhmo.org/ Check out especially the wriggling of the EPA, who knows all about DHMO, on the conspiracy page, and what FEMA admits it didn’t know about DHMO on another page. If you’re fed up with environmental threats and just want a quick glance, a quick look at the pic near the top of this page will horrify you: http://www.dhmo.org/environment.html: Thanks for the reminder, Flipper. Andre Jute Chemists will be discreet One particularly dangerous aspect of DHMO is that it is hydrophilic. In ecosystems where it is known to have been introduced, it can be found in every plant and animal.  That’s scary. And, it promotes food spoilage…in fact, even the ancients knew of this, and they recognized that if they rid certain crops of DHMO they would not spoil. How did they do this?  With RADIATION.  That’s right, RADIATION. Even they knew the danger of DHMO, and would rather take their chances with RADIATION than DHMO. WTF?

It was just ‘floater speak’.  What fishhead was trying to say was that he didn’t have a clue.  Your ‘WTF’ probably sums up what he was thinking at the time quite nicely. Ken Wilson "Goodnight Andre Jute, wherever you are.  Jesus loves you."

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t understand, especially after the example of Katrina, why the leader of the free world, George Bush, isn’t doing something about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), a threat that could drown us all, especially given that DHMO is more pervasive than DDT and that we have always known about it: http://www.dhmo.org/ Check out especially the wriggling of the EPA, who knows all about DHMO, on the conspiracy page, and what FEMA admits it didn’t know about DHMO on another page. If you’re fed up with environmental threats and just want a quick glance, a quick look at the pic near the top of this page will horrify you: http://www.dhmo.org/environment.html: Thanks for the reminder, Flipper. Andre Jute Chemists will be discreet One particularly dangerous aspect of DHMO is that it is hydrophilic. In ecosystems where it is known to have been introduced, it can be found in every plant and animal.  That’s scary. And, it promotes food spoilage…in fact, even the ancients knew of this, and they recognized that if they rid certain crops of DHMO they would not spoil. How did they do this?  With RADIATION.  That’s right, RADIATION. Even they knew the danger of DHMO, and would rather take their chances with RADIATION than DHMO. WTF?

The kind of radiation they used originated in a nuclear process so dangerous, you’d have to be 90 million miles away to be relatively safe, but even if you were, you’d be wise to wear protective clothing, and not look directly at the nuclear process.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t understand, especially after the example of Katrina, why the leader of the free world, George Bush, isn’t doing something about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), a threat that could drown us all, especially given that DHMO is more pervasive than DDT and that we have always known about it: http://www.dhmo.org/ Check out especially the wriggling of the EPA, who knows all about DHMO, on the conspiracy page, and what FEMA admits it didn’t know about DHMO on another page. If you’re fed up with environmental threats and just want a quick glance, a quick look at the pic near the top of this page will horrify you: http://www.dhmo.org/environment.html: Thanks for the reminder, Flipper. Andre Jute Chemists will be discreet One particularly dangerous aspect of DHMO is that it is hydrophilic. In ecosystems where it is known to have been introduced, it can be found in every plant and animal.  That’s scary. And, it promotes food spoilage…in fact, even the ancients knew of this, and they recognized that if they rid certain crops of DHMO they would not spoil. How did they do this?  With RADIATION.  That’s right, RADIATION. Even they knew the danger of DHMO, and would rather take their chances with RADIATION than DHMO. WTF? The kind of radiation they used originated in a nuclear process so dangerous, you’d have to be 90 million miles away to be relatively safe, but even if you were, you’d be wise to wear protective clothing, and not look directly at the nuclear process.

way out, brother.

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Ken doll model, Kitty-kook Kenny, Likes to lick balls, But he doesn’t have any. Get a clue, you stupid fuck.

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hmmm..

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t understand, especially after the example of Katrina, why the leader of the free world, George Bush, isn’t doing something about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), a threat that could drown us all, especially given that DHMO is more pervasive than DDT and that we have always known about it: http://www.dhmo.org/ Check out especially the wriggling of the EPA, who knows all about DHMO, on the conspiracy page, and what FEMA admits it didn’t know about DHMO on another page. If you’re fed up with environmental threats and just want a quick glance, a quick look at the pic near the top of this page will horrify you: http://www.dhmo.org/environment.html: Thanks for the reminder, Flipper. Andre Jute Chemists will be discreet

  Old joke, lame too.

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<<The reason garlic is so toxic, the sulphone hydroxyl ion penetrates the blood-brain barrier, just like DMSO, and is a specific poison for higher-life forms and brain cells You’ve described how it enters the body and crosses the blood-brain barrier.  While that may be true, you have given no specific toxicity information.  Heck, water can do that, but is it toxic? OK, bad analogy…  :-) But really…"specific toxin for higher lift forms?"  What the hell does that mean?  What’s the specific toxic effect, on which organ? If true, however, it could explain why the Italians are so good at cooking, but they can’t get a phone call from Rome to Bologna to save their lives.

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The reason garlic is so toxic, the sulphone hydroxyl ion penetrates the blood-brain barrier, just like DMSO, and is a specific poison for higher-life forms and brain cells I’m interested – I’ve been eating a lot of garlic recently and find slight memory glitches I didn’t expect (may be growing old – at 58) . I can cut out garlic quite easily if it’s useful. My question is what about related stuff like onions and leeks?

My grandfather used to eat onions like apples. He swore they along with a daily wal kept him alive for an additional 20 years after he was diagnosed with hear disease. Eating Garlic and onions probably help you heart but if your date isn’t eating them as well it may cause more heart damage than it’s worth. http://www.smheart.net/healthy.html http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4722 Flavonoids Flavonoids (FLAV’oh-noidz) are compounds with varied chemical structures present in fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds. The major flavonoid categories are flavonols (FLAV’oh-nolz), flavones (FLAV’onz), catechins (KAT’eh-kinz), flavanones (FLAV’ah-nonz) and anthocyanins (an"tho-SI’ah-ninz). The main dietary sources of these compounds are tea, onions, soy and wine. The main flavonoid in onions is quercetin glucoside (KER’seh-tin GLU’ko-s?d) and the main flavonoid in tea is quercetin rutinoside (KER’seh-tin roo-TIN’o-syd). Flavonoid intake has been inversely linked with coronary heart disease in the Zutphen Elderly Study, the Seven Countries Study and a cohort study in Finland. That is, people with a low intake of flavonoid had a higher death rate from coronary heart disease than did those who consumed more flavonoid (about five to six cups of tea per day). It should be pointed out that some flavonoids have toxic effects (gastrointestinal or allergic), especially if taken in large amounts. Systematic work is needed on the major classes of flavonoids to study their structure, effectiveness and potential harmful effects. The link between flavonoids and atherosclerosis is based partly on the evidence that some flavonoids have antioxidant (an"tih-OK’sih-dant) properties. For example, the phenolic (fen-OL’ik) substances in red wine inhibit oxidation of human LDL. Flavonoids also have been shown to inhibit the aggregation and adhesion of platelets in blood, which may be another way they lower the risk of heart disease. Isoflavones (i"so-FLAV’-onz) in soy foods have been reported to lower plasma cholesterol and also to have effects similar to estrogen. Plant sulfur compounds Naturally occurring sulfur-containing compounds (the allium family) are found especially in garlic, onions and leeks, the most prominent of these being garlic. In 2000, the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ) published an evidence-based "Report on Garlic: Effects on Cardiovascular Risks and Disease, Protective Effects Against Cancer, and Clinical Adverse Effects." Here are the main findings:     * Thirty-six randomized trials, all but one in adults, consistently showed that, compared with placebo, various garlic preparations led to small, statistically significant reductions in total cholesterol at one month (range of average pooled reductions 1.1 to 15.8 milligrams per deciliter [mg/dL]) and three months (range of 11.6 to 24.3 mg/dL). Eight trials with outcomes at six months showed no significant reductions of garlic compared with placebo. Changes in low-density lipoprotein levels (LDL) and triglycerides mirrored total cholesterol results; no significant changes in high-density lipoprotein levels (HDL) were found.     * Twenty-six small, randomized, placebo-controlled trials, all but one in adults, reported mixed, but never large, effects of various garlic preparations on blood pressure outcomes.     * Twelve small, randomized trials suggested various garlic preparations had no clinically significant effects on glucose in persons with or without diabetes. Two small short trials reported no statistically significant effects of garlic compared with placebo on serum insulin or C peptide levels.     * Ten small, short-duration trials, all but one in adults, showed effects of various garlic preparations on platelet aggregation and mixed effects on plasma viscosity (vis-KOS’ih-te) and fibrinolytic (fi-brin"o-LIT’ik) activity.     * There were insufficient data to confirm or refute garlic’s effects on clinical outcomes such as myocardial infarction and claudication.     * Scant data, primarily from case-control studies, suggest, but do not prove, that dietary garlic consumption is associated with decreased odds of laryngeal, gastric, colorectal, and endometrial cancer and adenomatous (ad-eh-NOM’ah-tus) colorectal polyps.     * Adverse effects of oral ingestion of garlic are "smelly" breath and body odor. Other possible, but not proven, adverse effects include flatulence, esophageal and abdominal pain, small intestinal obstruction, dermatitis, rhinitis, asthma and bleeding. What are the conclusions? Trials show several promising, modest, short-term effects of garlic supplements on lipid and antithrombotic factors. Effects on clinical outcomes are not established, and effects on glucose and blood pressure are none to minimal. High dietary intake of garlic may be associated with decreased risks of multiple cancers. Our ability to interpret existing data is limited by marked variability in types of garlic preparations that have been studied and inadequate definition of active constituents in the various preparations.

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Not enough food in you?  Check this aspect out.  Metformin does not, in my experience cause colds

Thanks for the feedback, Once again I seem to have yet another cold, as you may see, I am typing this at 4am in the morning, since I woke up, and the back of the nose/throat has that "pepper" feeling and I am waiting for the sneezing to stop before going back to bed, I will have talk this through with the doctor, since I never used to be like this. Regards Alan

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Not enough food in you?  Check this aspect out.  Metformin does not, in my experience cause colds.  What it does is stop your food from becoming sugar.  It disturbs the routine, as most medications tend to do, and after a time the body adjusts and all is well. Make a note on an exercise book, scrap book, if you wish, and watch the trends.  Mark whatever you think may be connected to your needs, and after a period and some accumulation of situations, you may be able to present these to your diabetes care guru and get the real stuff from the expert to suit your situation.  Facts are easier to deal with, especially with times related to medication taken or time relative to previous meal (what was the meal?  Curried Chicken with rice, or couple slices of bread and a thin piece of roast beef – thin which end of it? Heh! Heh!  Have fun, it is nice to cheat but just know it is a cheat, because you and your body Knows – however they play fair! Frank – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am a recent diagnosed T2 (6 months) on Metformin, I notice that I seem to have a lot more colds .Is there a link ? or just bad luck ? Regards Alan Alan I’ve been on it for about 9 months and have not seen that problem. I’ve read through what little literature <sp I have and found nothing to indicate that your problem could be a side effect….. 73’s OM es GL —       -.. .. .- -… . – . …   … ..- -.-. -.- …              Ken Bessler, Ham Callsign KG

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: Hello, : I’ve had athma for at least 10 years. I have been to hell and back. I’ve had : many close calls and I always live with death on my shoulder never knowing : when my life as I know it will be completely turned upside down or if I’ll : die. Because of this and a period of critical illness between 91-93, I’m a : completely a different person. : : My mind has been affected by this illnessand I have thought about suicide : many times. No matter what illness you have until you struggle for one : breath you don’t know what hell is or how nothing else is important. It’s a : constant struggle that wears you down to your soul. : : Although I am young I have many other longterm chronic illnesses and all of : them together do not come close to the hell and consequences and side : effects of living with asthma. : : After being at death’s door for almost 2 years I started getting better a : little and tried to live a normal life. Mostly, if I didn’t get a cold or : react to a food additive I was under control. But control in asthma is all : illusion since you can be on every drug and still hav no real control and : it’s always a struggle. : : I usually get allergy shots (2 years) without problems. On Oct.23 i go the : flu shot and three days later the allergy shot. I was okay until November : 10. Since then I’ve been out of control. I take all  the vitamiin c, : quercetin, E, etc.. Nothing is working. I’ve done essential oils rubbed and : inhaled. Nothing. I can’t pinpoint it to nothing, nothing at all. This : scares me because I don’t know it’s source. Even when I have bad attack from : food or I have a cold I’m better between 5-7 days. : : 1)I’m wondering if the flu shot was to blame? I’ve had them for 10 years : with no problems. : Go to your doctor Patsy. If he can’t help you try a pulmunoligist. Quit the alternative stuff now and get back on your meds if you are taking any.    GO SEE YOUR DOCTOR. — Gordon    W5RED

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I’ve had athma for at least 10 years. I have been to hell and back. I’ve had many close calls and I always live with death on my shoulder never knowing when my life as I know it will be completely turned upside down or if I’ll die. Because of this and a period of critical illness between 91-93, I’m a completely a different person. My mind has been affected by this illnessand I have thought about suicide many times. No matter what illness you have until you struggle for one breath you don’t know what hell is or how nothing else is important. It’s a constant struggle that wears you down to your soul. Although I am young I have many other longterm chronic illnesses and all of them together do not come close to the hell and consequences and side effects of living with asthma. After being at death’s door for almost 2 years I started getting better a little and tried to live a normal life. Mostly, if I didn’t get a cold or react to a food additive I was under control. But control in asthma is all illusion since you can be on every drug and still hav no real control and it’s always a struggle. I usually get allergy shots (2 years) without problems. On Oct.23 i go the flu shot and three days later the allergy shot. I was okay until November 10. Since then I’ve been out of control. I take all  the vitamiin c, quercetin, E, etc.. Nothing is working. I’ve done essential oils rubbed and inhaled. Nothing. I can’t pinpoint it to nothing, nothing at all. This scares me because I don’t know it’s source. Even when I have bad attack from food or I have a cold I’m better between 5-7 days. 1)I’m wondering if the flu shot was to blame? I’ve had them for 10 years with no problems.

If it happened over two weeks later why do you assume it is the flu vaccine? Surely you have had multiple exposures, infectious and otherwise, in that period of time. 2)Could it have been a late reaction? I’ve been hearing about reactions this year, apparently it’s been a problem. But wouln’t it be out of my sytem by now.

I haven’t heard anything about this. I do know that so far this years vaccine is doing a good job of covering the strains of flu that have been around. Of course sometimes the uncovered strains come around late in the season. 3)Could it leave my asthma in this state permanently?

Since I don’t think we know the cause I don’t think anyone can answer. The good news is that most triggers will eventually resolve. I’m at the end of my rope and wonder if I’ll die in my sleep because this is quite critical and I know my levels of illness and how I feel. I don’t think I can hold on much longer.

If this is really the case then you should probably contact your doctor. — pwrlftr

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I usually get allergy shots (2 years) without problems. On Oct.23 i go the flu shot and three days later the allergy shot. I was okay until November 10. Since then I’ve been out of control. I take all  the vitamiin c, quercetin, E, etc.. Nothing is working. I’ve done essential oils rubbed and inhaled. Nothing. I can’t pinpoint it to nothing, nothing at all. This scares me because I don’t know it’s source. Even when I have bad attack from food or I have a cold I’m better between 5-7 days.

Has it occurred to you that some of the alternative remedies may actually be causing the problem? Inhaling those ‘essential oils’ means that you are exposing your lungs to another set of irritants. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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I am usually game to try some alternative meds..but I would draw the line at essential oils… I have bad reactions to several I have just gotten a whiff of when someone else has used them.  Worst is eucalyptus, followed by rose, some lavenders, pennyroyal, oregano and I would avoid camomile just as a precaution since it is a ragweed. Marina – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I usually get allergy shots (2 years) without problems. On Oct.23 i go the flu shot and three days later the allergy shot. I was okay until November 10. Since then I’ve been out of control. I take all  the vitamiin c, quercetin, E, etc.. Nothing is working. I’ve done essential oils rubbed and inhaled. Nothing. I can’t pinpoint it to nothing, nothing at all. This scares me because I don’t know it’s source. Even when I have bad attack from food or I have a cold I’m better between 5-7 days. Has it occurred to you that some of the alternative remedies may actually be causing the problem? Inhaling those ‘essential oils’ means that you are exposing your lungs to another set of irritants. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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Hello, I’ve had athma for at least 10 years. I have been to hell and back. I’ve had many close calls and I always live with death on my shoulder never knowing when my life as I know it will be completely turned upside down or if I’ll die. Because of this and a period of critical illness between 91-93, I’m a completely a different person. My mind has been affected by this illnessand I have thought about suicide many times. No matter what illness you have until you struggle for one breath you don’t know what hell is or how nothing else is important. It’s a constant struggle that wears you down to your soul. Although I am young I have many other longterm chronic illnesses and all of them together do not come close to the hell and consequences and side effects of living with asthma. After being at death’s door for almost 2 years I started getting better a little and tried to live a normal life. Mostly, if I didn’t get a cold or react to a food additive I was under control. But control in asthma is all illusion since you can be on every drug and still hav no real control and it’s always a struggle. I usually get allergy shots (2 years) without problems. On Oct.23 i go the flu shot and three days later the allergy shot. I was okay until November 10. Since then I’ve been out of control. I take all  the vitamiin c, quercetin, E, etc.. Nothing is working. I’ve done essential oils rubbed and inhaled. Nothing. I can’t pinpoint it to nothing, nothing at all. This scares me because I don’t know it’s source. Even when I have bad attack from food or I have a cold I’m better between 5-7 days. 1)I’m wondering if the flu shot was to blame? I’ve had them for 10 years with no problems. 2)Could it have been a late reaction? I’ve been hearing about reactions this year, apparently it’s been a problem. But wouln’t it be out of my sytem by now. 3)Could it leave my asthma in this state permanently? I’m at the end of my rope and wonder if I’ll die in my sleep because this is quite critical and I know my levels of illness and how I feel. I don’t think I can hold on much longer. If anyone has information about this please let me knowl Thank you Patsy

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Actually, asthma has been recently recognized to be an inflammatory condition.  The mucus that is such a predominate feature of asthma for many is a response to that inflammation.  New treatments have focused on reducing the inflammatory response of the bronchial tissue, which decreases the amount of mucus, and bronchial constriction. Nancy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Clinically asthma is described as a narrowing of the bronchioles by smooth muscle constriction, plus secretion of thick mucus in the area. The water would help thin the mucus. It may be there are personal variations, and someone who predominantly experiences a change in mucus characteristics would be helped more by increased hydration.   LW water, water, water. Actually there’s a lot of herbal helps for asthma and other respiratory ailments. However, keeping up a good water intake makes the largest difference for me. Also acupuncture has been fairly good in keeping my asthma under control — I still use a light combination of meds, especially in exceptionally cold weather. Right now, I’m on a herbal/vitamin mix — lots of C, A, basic minerals, Quercetin, ginger (drink a lot of ginger tea in the winter) and milk thistle. Seems to help. But I think that everyone reacts a little differently, especially with asthma, and you have to be willing to experiment to find the right combination for you. Regards, Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA If I were to list herbs for asthma purely on personal experience, I would put green tea and chaparral first and second, not sure which would be first and which would be second.  Mullein, coltsfoot, camomile, pleurisy root and nettle wouldn’t make the list at all.  Cayenne makes my respiratory conditions worse. But I realize there are great individual differences, and some people swear by mullein for asthma, and I certainly don’t want to deter them or say they’re all wrong.  Large amounts of vitamin C didn’t seem to make any difference with me. While letting myself get dehydrated is not desirable, I see no advantage in drinking extraordinary amounts of water.  But I remember Paul Harvey ("The Rest of the Story") citing the case of somebody who eliminated his asthma by drinking 8 glasses of water per day.

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My experiences have been that a number of anti inflammitory preparations have had positive results with my asthma.  I understand, however, that many asthmatics are allergic to some herbs; it would be a good idea to keep that in mind. Good luck.

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I really don’t want to be on steroid inhalers twice a day for the rest of my life. I am interested in information on the controlling of asthma, either by diet, alternative meds, regular meds, quercetin, apples what have you. I also have a 15 year old son who recently came to live here. He has asthma and uses a 17g Albuterol inhaler on a regular basis (i.e. daily). This info will be used for him also.

Well, you have a problem.  You have to decide who you are going to listen to.  Your choices are 1) your doctor (trained and ethically bound to give you the best advice available) or to the salesmen you are after the contents of your wallet. Think of it this way:  Things that work are part of the doctor’s toolkit, everything else is ‘alternative.’ I suggest that you read some books on asthma.   BTW, your son needs to get to an asthma doctor.  From your description of the symptoms his asthma is out of control.   It’s a terrible responsibility – but somebody has to be the Americans.

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I am a 34 year old male recently ‘diagnosed’ with asthma. I live in N. Ill. I’ve had a very low base line wheezing for about a year, with a couple of flare ups (one caused a visit to the ER). While at the hospital for surgery, (bilateral endoscopies- ethmoidectomies and antrostomies) I told the nurse my wheezing was very bad. Surgery was cancelled and I was referred to a pulmonologist. Two weeks of Flovent and Serevent have practically eliminated the symptoms. I really don’t want to be on steroid inhalers twice a day for the rest of my life. I am interested in information on the controlling of asthma, either by diet, alternative meds, regular meds, quercetin, apples what have you. I also have a 15 year old son who recently came to live here. He has asthma and uses a 17g Albuterol inhaler on a regular basis (i.e. daily). This info will be used for him also. Before you buy.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a 34 year old male recently ‘diagnosed’ with asthma. I live in N. Ill. I’ve had a very low base line wheezing for about a year, with a couple of flare ups (one caused a visit to the ER). While at the hospital for surgery, (bilateral endoscopies- ethmoidectomies and antrostomies) I told the nurse my wheezing was very bad. Surgery was cancelled and I was referred to a pulmonologist. Two weeks of Flovent and Serevent have practically eliminated the symptoms. I really don’t want to be on steroid inhalers twice a day for the rest of my life. I am interested in information on the controlling of asthma, either by diet, alternative meds, regular meds, quercetin, apples what have you. I also have a 15 year old son who recently came to live here. He has asthma and uses a 17g Albuterol inhaler on a regular basis (i.e. daily). This info will be used for him also.

I fought it for a long time and by not staying with the inhalers I have been on the inhalers and oral steriods since Thanksgiving. Stick with the inhalers. If altrentive treatments worked they wouldn’t need snake oil salesman to sell them. The one thing that may work is to identify and avoid what is causing your asthma. Depending on what it is that can be easy to do or you may have to live in a tent on a mountian to get away from the problem. If it is worse in the winter and better in the spring you may have an air quality problem in your house. Mold, dustmites, roaches, fire places rugs can all be a problem. If you have trouble when the vacuum cleaner is running dust mites and molds are likely problem. If the house is new outgassing of partical boar, new carpets and what have you could be all or part of the problem. If your son didn’t have asthma before he moved in I would suspect indoor air quality. Second I would think about outdoor air quality. Are you close to a lot of traffic or down wind of something that is putting out smoke or something. Are there some places you are better or worse that might give a clue. The prognosis for adult onset asthma is not very good. The only good advice I have recived is stay away from things that bother you and do what ever it takes to keep it under control. I have looked for a better answer pretty hard and there isn’t one. Twice a day on an inhaler beats oral steriods and trips to the ER by a bunch. — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky

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Hello! I, too have adult onset asthma.  I fought the need for inhalers for quite some time.  I used them, to be sure, but always wanted to reduce dosage or eliminate them if I could.  I recently pleaded with my doctor to reduce the dosage of my inhaled steroid…what a mistake.  I had the asthma flare from hell and it’s took me almost 3 weeks to start feeling good again after going back on the original dose of Flovent.  Now, I have bronchitis, so am on antibiotic and prednisone for 10 days.  I think had I not messed with the dosage, I probably wouldn’t have bronchitis now, either!!! Stick with your inhalers, it beats the heck out of not breathing well. Patrice – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a 34 year old male recently ‘diagnosed’ with asthma. I live in N. Ill. I’ve had a very low base line wheezing for about a year, with a couple of flare ups (one caused a visit to the ER). While at the hospital for surgery, (bilateral endoscopies- ethmoidectomies and antrostomies) I told the nurse my wheezing was very bad. Surgery was cancelled and I was referred to a pulmonologist. Two weeks of Flovent and Serevent have practically eliminated the symptoms. I really don’t want to be on steroid inhalers twice a day for the rest of my life. I am interested in information on the controlling of asthma, either by diet, alternative meds, regular meds, quercetin, apples what have you. I also have a 15 year old son who recently came to live here. He has asthma and uses a 17g Albuterol inhaler on a regular basis (i.e. daily). This info will be used for him also. Before you buy.

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I don’t know if I should post something here or not, but I also want to ask a  question. I have known I had asthma since I was 20, and I am 73 now.  I only ever taken about 3 or 4 doses of steroids, in a nebulizer, and I quit taking them.  I did not know what the long term effect would be, and I am not certain a lot of other people do either. I take serevent and albuterol, one or the other, I think I prefer the serevent, it seems to cause less dry mouth or other things. I just started taking prescription drugs for astma about 5 years ago.  I don’t recommend that for anyone, but I survived.  What fills me with terror, perhaps terror is a little strong, is when I read about people going to the ER with asthma and staying there three weeks or so.  And what does the doctor seem to be giving them, steroids.  Asthma medicines stop asthma attacks.  I am not exactly certain what steroids do except cause a lot of problems eventually.  I am on an emphysema mailing list now, and one member wrote in that she had cataracts on her eyes because of prednisone.  But I will get off this subject. I did have a question about pursed mouth, breathing.  That is breathing out, instead of breathing in.  People with bad emphysema use it.  I only tried it for the first time the other day.  I don’t think I have ever seen pursed mouth breathing mentioned on an asthma list.  Well, thanks for reading all of this.  Best wishes.  Lester Tinnin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello! I, too have adult onset asthma.  I fought the need for inhalers for quite some time.  I used them, to be sure, but always wanted to reduce dosage or eliminate them if I could.  I recently pleaded with my doctor to reduce the dosage of my inhaled steroid…what a mistake.  I had the asthma flare from hell and it’s took me almost 3 weeks to start feeling good again after going back on the original dose of Flovent.  Now, I have bronchitis, so am on antibiotic and prednisone for 10 days.  I think had I not messed with the dosage, I probably wouldn’t have bronchitis now, either!!! Stick with your inhalers, it beats the heck out of not breathing well. Patrice I am a 34 year old male recently ‘diagnosed’ with asthma. I live in N. Ill. I’ve had a very low base line wheezing for about a year, with a couple of flare ups (one caused a visit to the ER). While at the hospital for surgery, (bilateral endoscopies- ethmoidectomies and antrostomies) I told the nurse my wheezing was very bad. Surgery was cancelled and I was referred to a pulmonologist. Two weeks of Flovent and Serevent have practically eliminated the symptoms. I really don’t want to be on steroid inhalers twice a day for the rest of my life. I am interested in information on the controlling of asthma, either by diet, alternative meds, regular meds, quercetin, apples what have you. I also have a 15 year old son who recently came to live here. He has asthma and uses a 17g Albuterol inhaler on a regular basis (i.e. daily). This info will be used for him also. Before you buy.

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Thanks for the info. I purchased The Asthma Sourcebook last night and plan to read it and many others. Any good Web sites for asthma info free of ’snake oil salesman"? My son will soon have a deviated septum repaired and an andoidectomy. Perhaps this will help aleviate some of his symptoms. Acid reflux can cause asthma (or more appropriately an attack)!; by what mechanism dose this occur? Before you buy.

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I did have a question about pursed mouth, breathing.  That is breathing out, instead of breathing in.  People with bad emphysema use it.  I only tried it for the first time the other day.  I don’t think I have ever seen pursed mouth breathing mentioned on an asthma list.

It’s been discussed a little.  I think it’s something that someone with moderately severe asthma picks up naturally, though it doesn’t hurt to know about it and intentionally try it now and then when having breathing problems.  If it seems to help, keep it up.  If not, drop it and maybe try again another time. There are various theories as to how it works, but how isn’t terribly important.  The fact is that it does work for some people in some circumstances, and when it’s needed then anything that helps is goodness. Be aware that when you are mouth breathing then you need to be more concerned about dry or dusty air.  Try to raise the humidity in the room a bit, and avoid dusty situations.  Also beware of breathing extremely cold air.

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Thanks for the info. I purchased The Asthma Sourcebook last night and plan to read it and many others. Any good Web sites for asthma info free of ’snake oil salesman"? My son will soon have a deviated septum repaired and an andoidectomy. Perhaps this will help aleviate some of his symptoms. Acid reflux can cause asthma (or more appropriately an attack)!; by what mechanism dose this occur?

I didn’t know they still did adenoidectomies.  Is this common practice, or reserved for special circumstances?

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I didn’t know they still did adenoidectomies. Is this common practice, or reserved for special circumstances? Common practice, is a question I can’t answer.  During a consult with

a DDS for braces, a skull X-ray showed a large adnoid. The DDS was concerned and recommended an ENT.  ENT found the deviated septum and concurred with DDS about adnoids.  ENT recommended both be corrected with surgery. Before you buy.

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I did have a question about pursed mouth, breathing.  That is breathing out, instead of breathing in.  People with bad emphysema use it.  I only tried it for the first time the other day.  I don’t think I have ever seen pursed mouth breathing mentioned on an asthma list. It’s been discussed a little.  I think it’s something that someone with moderately severe asthma picks up naturally, though it doesn’t hurt to know about it and intentionally try it now and then when having breathing problems.  If it seems to help, keep it up.  If not, drop it and maybe try again another time.

 If this is when you are having an attack and you purse your mouth as you breath out, then I think it is a very naturally learned method (assuming it works for the person). I have done this almost from the beginning, especially if I am simply out of breath and trying to keep from going into an actual attack while continuing to walk (I used to walk to school, the bus, and I still walk to work). I’ve never heard it mentioned or seen it in writing, but I do it anytime I feel an attack coming or already have an attack. Meghan Friesians in the Northwest http://www.zoocrewphoto.com/friesian.htm

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I didn’t know they still did adenoidectomies. Is this common practice, or reserved for special circumstances? Common practice, is a question I can’t answer.  During a consult with a DDS for braces, a skull X-ray showed a large adnoid. The DDS was concerned and recommended an ENT.  ENT found the deviated septum and concurred with DDS about adnoids.  ENT recommended both be corrected with surgery.

I was just under the impression that this surgery had fallen into disfavor.  Many years ago a T&A was done as a matter of course for a child with allergies, asthma, or frequent colds, but antibiotics and other drugs have eliminated much of the advantage of doing this.  And removing these organs means that much of the "air conditioning" mechanism of the head is removed, with the result that the air entering the lungs is dirtier, dryer, and colder than it would otherwise be. However, I can see removing or reducing the adenoids if there is some sort of malformation resulting in an airway restriction even when the organs are not inflamed.

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I didn’t know they still did adenoidectomies. Is this common practice, or reserved for special circumstances? Common practice, is a question I can’t answer.  During a consult with a DDS for braces, a skull X-ray showed a large adnoid. The DDS was concerned and recommended an ENT.  ENT found the deviated septum and concurred with DDS about adnoids.  ENT recommended both be corrected with surgery.

I am curious. How do adnoids affect asthma? I had mine removed when I was 5 after problems with ear infections. Meghan Friesians in the Northwest http://www.zoocrewphoto.com/friesian.htm

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One letter here mentions not seeing pursed mouth (maybe it is pursed lips) breathing in writing.  If you go to the EFFORTS website you will probably find pursed mouth breathing mentioned. I will also recommend this site to the letter that wanted a good asthma site without snakeoil salesmen. It is at   www.emphysema.net     you may have to browse around to find what you want.  There are no fees. EFFORTS, which stands for Emphysema foundation for our right to survive, has a mailing list, which a person with lung problems can subscribe to, or a support person can subscribe to.  I think you can subscribe automatically by following instructions.  This is mainly an emphysema and lung disease mailing list group, but asthma is part of COPD.  I have asthma and emphysema both, but my peak meter yesterday went to 300 after medication, so I am not too bad.  There are some medical people on the mailing list also. If you subscribe you receive about 100 emails a day, so be prepared to filter them into one folder. EFFORTS is planning a rally in Washington D.C. on May 9 to try to get more attention for people to stop smoking and to get more medical research done for lung related problems.  All information is on the website, and there are many people to contact.   They are at www.emphysema.net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the info. I purchased The Asthma Sourcebook last night and plan to read it and many others. Any good Web sites for asthma info free of ’snake oil salesman"? My son will soon have a deviated septum repaired and an andoidectomy. Perhaps this will help aleviate some of his symptoms. Acid reflux can cause asthma (or more appropriately an attack)!; by what mechanism dose this occur? Before you buy.

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I take serevent and albuterol, one or the other, I think I prefer the serevent, it seems to cause less dry mouth or other things. I just started taking prescription drugs for astma about 5 years ago.  I don’t recommend that for anyone, but I survived.  What fills me with terror, perhaps terror is a little strong, is when I read about people going to the ER with asthma and staying there three weeks or so.  And what does the doctor seem to be giving them, steroids.  Asthma medicines stop asthma attacks.  I am not exactly certain what steroids do except cause a lot of problems eventually.  I am on an emphysema mailing list now, and one member wrote in that she had cataracts on her eyes because of prednisone.  But I will get off this subject.

Serevent and albuterol only treat asthma symptoms.  Asthma is an inflammatory disease of the airways where, if the inflammation is not controlled, can result in permanent airways damage (including emphysema like symptoms).  The steroids treat the underlying inflammation, thus controlling the disease, not just the symptoms. This is why current medical doctrine is to focus on treating the inflammation that causes asthma symptoms rather than just treating the symptoms. Standard ER practice is to start the patient on a prednisolone burst and give him instructions to see their doctor so that corrective measures can be taken to prevent a repeat of the problem. It’s a terrible responsibility – but somebody has to be the Americans.

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Thanks for the info. I purchased The Asthma Sourcebook last night and plan to read it and many others. Any good Web sites for asthma info free of ’snake oil salesman"? My son will soon have a deviated septum repaired and an andoidectomy. Perhaps this will help aleviate some of his symptoms. Acid reflux can cause asthma (or more appropriately an attack)!; by what mechanism dose this occur?

GE reflux can cause or worsen asthma by being aspirated into lungs. The treatment for suspected GE reflux is: *elevate head of bed 6-8" with wood blocks *no meals near bedtime *drugs like omeprazole and H2-blockers Another frequent cause of asthma is sinusitis, due to postnasal drip getting into lungs. Good web pages at: http://www.radix.net/~mwg/asthma-gen.html  alt.support.asthma FAQ www.njc.org  [National Jewish Center in Denver] http://www.lungusa.org/pub/index2.html Asthma Index ALA www.aaaai.org http://www.ama-assn.org/special/asthma/ Ellis — Free audio & video emails, greeting cards and forums Talkway – http://www.talkway.com – Talk more ways (sm)

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I was just under the impression that this surgery had fallen into disfavor.  Many years ago a T&A was done as a matter of course for a child with allergies, asthma, or frequent colds, but antibiotics and other drugs have eliminated much of the advantage of doing this.  And removing these organs means that much of the "air conditioning" mechanism of the head is removed, with the result that the air entering the lungs is dirtier, dryer, and colder than it would otherwise be. However, I can see removing or reducing the adenoids if there is some sort of malformation resulting in an airway restriction even when the organs are not inflamed.

What are the adnoids? Mine were removed when I was 5. I also had tubes put in my ears since I had lots of ear infections. Meghan Friesians in the Northwest http://www.zoocrewphoto.com/friesian.htm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was just under the impression that this surgery had fallen into disfavor.  Many years ago a T&A was done as a matter of course for a child with allergies, asthma, or frequent colds, but antibiotics and other drugs have eliminated much of the advantage of doing this.  And removing these organs means that much of the "air conditioning" mechanism of the head is removed, with the result that the air entering the lungs is dirtier, dryer, and colder than it would otherwise be. However, I can see removing or reducing the adenoids if there is some sort of malformation resulting in an airway restriction even when the organs are not inflamed. What are the adnoids? Mine were removed when I was 5. I also had tubes put in my ears since I had lots of ear infections.

They are organs similar to the tonsils that are in the nasal airways (though it’s not entirely clear to me where they are located).  They supposedly serve to warm, moisten, and filter the air.  They tend to get inflamed in some individuals and block the airways.

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The website below will give you very much help on the asthma issue….also http://spiralup.com/m-link-t-tm. Rediscover God’s 1st Medicin.e…..Plant Oils …100% Pure Grade A Oils! http://www.organicessentialoils.com/members/dkurtz                                      

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a 34 year old male recently ‘diagnosed’ with asthma. I live in N. Ill. I’ve had a very low base line wheezing for about a year, with a couple of flare ups (one caused a visit to the ER). While at the hospital for surgery, (bilateral endoscopies- ethmoidectomies and antrostomies) I told the nurse my wheezing was very bad. Surgery was cancelled and I was referred to a pulmonologist. Two weeks of Flovent and Serevent have practically eliminated the symptoms. I really don’t want to be on steroid inhalers twice a day for the rest of my life. I am interested in information on the controlling of asthma, either by diet, alternative meds, regular meds, quercetin, apples what have you. I also have a 15 year old son who recently came to live here. He has asthma and uses a 17g Albuterol inhaler on a regular basis (i.e. daily). This info will be used for him also. I fought it for a long time and by not staying with the inhalers I have been on the inhalers and oral steriods since Thanksgiving. Stick with the inhalers. If altrentive treatments worked they wouldn’t need snake oil salesman to sell them. The one thing that may work is to identify and avoid what is causing your asthma. Depending on what it is that can be easy to do or you may have to live in a tent on a mountian to get away from the problem. If it is worse in the winter and better in the spring you may have an air quality problem in your house. Mold, dustmites, roaches, fire places rugs can all be a problem. If you have trouble when the vacuum cleaner is running dust mites and molds are likely problem. If the house is new outgassing of partical boar, new carpets and what have you could be all or part of the problem. If your son didn’t have asthma before he moved in I would suspect indoor air quality. Second I would think about outdoor air quality. Are you close to a lot of traffic or down wind of something that is putting out smoke or something. Are there some places you are better or worse that might give a clue. The prognosis for adult onset asthma is not very good. The only good advice I have recived is stay away from things that bother you and do what ever it takes to keep it under control. I have looked for a better answer pretty hard and there isn’t one. Twice a day on an inhaler beats oral steriods and trips to the ER by a bunch. — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky

Hi Gordon, What great advice to give… I was happy to read that your asthma is back to being controled.I also have adult asthma and keep it under control just as you suggest.I stay away from things that may trigger a attack.Once you learn these things and doing a inhaler twice a day WOW who could ask for anything more but,to be able to breath and feel well once again.I dont know why people want to fix a good thing and not do inhalers what is the problem you people?? Stay well and feel good already and do what makes you feel good,dont try to fix something cause it is working and you dont like doing it to stay well.How stupid is that??? Anyway,good advice Gordon. Keep well. Leona

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The website below will give you very much help on the asthma issue….also http://spiralup.com/m-link-t-tm. Rediscover God’s 1st Medicin.e…..Plant Oils …100% Pure Grade A Oils! http://www.organicessentialoils.com/members/dkurtz        

Hey the omega oil scam is back!  Is this Joetov under yet another name? It’s a terrible responsibility – but somebody has to be the Americans.

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Hey the omega oil scam is back!  Is this Joetov under yet another name?

Unless Joetov took my advice to take evening classes, I doubt it. "Dkurtz" appears to be literate. Chris — Chris King http://www.csking.demon.co.uk

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I don’t know if I should post something here or not, but I also want to ask a  question. I have known I had asthma since I was 20, and I am 73 now.  I only ever taken about 3 or 4 doses of steroids, in a nebulizer, and I quit taking them.  I did not know what the long term effect would be, and I am not certain a lot of other people do either.

You seem to be lucky in having mild asthma. I take serevent and albuterol, one or the other, I think I prefer the serevent, it seems to cause less dry mouth or other things. I just started taking prescription drugs for astma about 5 years ago.  I don’t recommend that for anyone, but I survived.

Not quite sure what you don’t recommend, but I read it as prescription drugs.  For me they gave me my life back – when I was diagnosed I was coughing for several hours every night and also during the day.  Life was totally miserable.  Even daytime TV had become an intellectual challenge!  From being well on the way to being an invalid I now do what I want, when I want.  What fills me with terror, perhaps terror is a little strong, is when I read about people going to the ER with asthma and staying there three weeks or so.  And what does the doctor seem to be giving them, steroids.  Asthma medicines stop asthma attacks.

Relievers (albuterol for example) relieve attacks.  I am not exactly certain what steroids

Steroids *prevent* attacks.  Prevention is better than relief! do except cause a lot of problems eventually.

Oral steroids are certainly not a drug one wishes to take unless quite ill, but most of us use inhaled steroids.  The dose is much lower and since it’s inhaled instead of swallowed most people get no or very minor systemic side effects. There certainly are people who took to many oral steroids too often and now have (in some cases appalling) side effects, but I stress this is *oral* steroids.  And if they save your life (as they can) and are the only option (as is sometimes the case) one doesn’t have much choice. There are also some people who aren’t helped by inhaled steroids for whatever reason.  I don’t know what the treatment options are for them but I’m jolly glad I’m not one of their number. <snip — Surfer!

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I am a 34 year old male recently ‘diagnosed’ with asthma. I live in N. Ill. I’ve had a very low base line wheezing for about a year, with a couple of flare ups (one caused a visit to the ER). While at the hospital for surgery, (bilateral endoscopies- ethmoidectomies and antrostomies) I told the nurse my wheezing was very bad. Surgery was cancelled and I was referred to a pulmonologist. Two weeks of Flovent and Serevent have practically eliminated the symptoms. I really don’t want to be on steroid inhalers twice a day for the rest of my life. I am interested in information on the controlling of asthma, either by diet, alternative meds, regular meds, quercetin, apples what have you. I also have a 15 year old son who recently came to live here. He has asthma and uses a 17g Albuterol inhaler on a regular basis (i.e. daily). This info will be used for him also.

You might check into NAET (Nambudripad Allergy Elimination Technique) http://www.naet.com There is a similiar technique called BioSET which evolved from NAET. http://www.drellencutler.com Dr. Cutler has written a book "Winning the War Against Asthma and Allergies". Both techniques use muscle response testing (getting feedback from your body) to determine what you are allergic to and they use acupressure to clear the allergy. BioSET uses a few other things like enzymes also I think. When your allergy is cleared you can come into contact with substances that trigger reactions and no longer react…you don’t need to avoid them.  A number of folks I have corresponded with have mentioned that they have less asthma symptoms and need to use their inhalers significantly less. Each person is unique so some folks respond sooner and more than others. These techniques are practiced by licensed medical professionals (MDs, DCs, DOs, LAcs, etc.) The websites mentioned have a list of practitioners so you can locate one in your area. Another approach is to keep a diary of what you eat and do and what symptoms you have and try to notice any patterns. Then you can avoid whatever is aggravating your symptoms. Sometimes that is not possible and it can sometimes be pretty restrictive. Certain foods may cause increased congestion which can make breathing more difficult. You might also check into breathing techniques. Some such as yoga and qigong incorporate breathing, meditation and movement. In qigong there are certain exercises that are specifically geared toward strengthening particular organs, such as the lungs. These techniques can also help reduce stress which can aggravate asthma. Daily practice, as with any form of exercise, tends to result in accumulating benefits. Acupuncture has also helped some folks with their asthma. Some folks may notice more benefit from acupuncture than others. These are a few things I am familiar with that others have found helpful. ..diane

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I really don’t want to be on steroid inhalers twice a day for the rest of my life. I am interested in information on the controlling of asthma, either by diet, alternative meds, regular meds, quercetin, apples what have you. I also have a 15 year old son who recently came to live here. He has asthma and uses a 17g Albuterol inhaler on a regular basis (i.e. daily). This info will be used for him also. Well, you have a problem.  You have to decide who you are going to listen to.  Your choices are 1) your doctor (trained and ethically bound to give you the best advice available) or to the salesmen you are after the contents of your wallet.

Most drs usually try to give the best advice they are familiar with. It is not necessarily the best advice available. Think of it this way:  Things that work are part of the doctor’s toolkit, everything else is ‘alternative.’

Why should we think of it that way when it is incorrect? ..diane

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I take serevent and albuterol, one or the other, I think I prefer the serevent, it seems to cause less dry mouth or other things. I just started taking prescription drugs for astma about 5 years ago.  I don’t recommend that for anyone, but I survived.  What fills me with terror, perhaps terror is a little strong, is when I read about people going to the ER with asthma and staying there three weeks or so.  And what does the doctor seem to be giving them, steroids.  Asthma medicines stop asthma attacks.  I am not exactly certain what steroids do except cause a lot of problems eventually.  I am on an emphysema mailing list now, and one member wrote in that she had cataracts on her eyes because of prednisone.  But I will get off this subject. Serevent and albuterol only treat asthma symptoms.  Asthma is an inflammatory disease of the airways where, if the inflammation is not controlled, can result in permanent airways damage (including emphysema like symptoms).

How do you know the airways will be permanently damaged?  The steroids treat the underlying inflammation, thus controlling the disease, not just the symptoms.

The inflammation is a symptom so the steriods are suppressing a symptom. This is why current medical doctrine is to focus on treating the inflammation that causes asthma symptoms rather than just treating the symptoms.

The inflammation is just one symptom. It can then lead to other symptoms. Treating the inflammation just treats symptoms. Standard ER practice is to start the patient on a prednisolone burst and give him instructions to see their doctor so that corrective measures can be taken to prevent a repeat of the problem.

In other words, standard treatment is to suppress the symptoms. ..diane

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Have heard that lobelia, coltsfoot, and thorn apple can all be used for asthma- does anyone know about them, how safe they are, what amounts are used, how they are prepared, which ones work the fastest or most efficently?  This information is hard to find.  Thanks

Any botanicals used in smoke mixtures are cut and sifted herbs.  Simply mix the herbs together, and roll into ‘cigarrettes’ with cig wrapping papers you can get from any place that sells tobacco.  I personally would not reccommend smoking herbs directly this way, however, but burning them to let them fill the air.  The early Native Americans also used Mullein. Kathleen — http://www.cnw.com/~bygone/herbcat.html Herbal Pleasures & Treasures Nothing Could Be More Natural! Bulk Herbs & Spices & Accessories, Aromatherapy & Jewelry, Natural, Animal Cruelty-free Products for Home, Family, and Pets.

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very good and accurate advise

Absolutely, especially about the thornapple (datura). It grows commonly in this country and its effects truly a re horrendous. Inhaling it can also be sublethal. It is truly a plant that was meant when the Ancient Roman (Virgil?) wrote. ‘Whom the gods would destroy, they first must make mad.’ A truly timely warning in the case of datura. Have heard that lobelia, coltsfoot, and thorn apple can all be used for asthma- does anyone know about them, how safe they are, what amounts are used, how they are prepared, which ones work the fastest or most efficently? Lobelia is safe in small doses, which relax the lungs to prevent spasms. Larger doses cause vomiting. Coltsfoot is safe for short term use, though it has the same alkaloids found in fresh comfrey that can cause hepatitis. Thornapple and it’s relatives should not be fooled with. They contain atropine, hyocyamine, and scopalamine. They can easily kill you.

after druving you mad. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would suggest schisandra berries, amla or another source of vitamin C and bioflavonoids; especially quercetin, and a mixture of coleus forskohlii and yerba mate’. recommended dosage is 1/3 teaspoon of schisandra berry powder 3 times daily before meals. Same for the amla, or 500mg of vitamin C with bioflavonoids 3 to 4 times daily. I suggest using tinctures for the coleus forskohlii and yerba mate’ mixture in a1 part forskohlii and 1/2 part mate’ mixture. Recommended dosage of the mixture is 20 to 30 drops 3 times daily on an empty stomach. The forskohlii will raise intracellular cAMP, the mate’ prevents the breakdown of cAMP. This will help prevent the attacks until the adrenal glands build back up to do this.

Just don’t try to smoke any of the above. The heat alone will damage your lungs.     pax    silverfern

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very good and accurate advise – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have heard that lobelia, coltsfoot, and thorn apple can all be used for asthma- does anyone know about them, how safe they are, what amounts are used, how they are prepared, which ones work the fastest or most efficently? Lobelia is safe in small doses, which relax the lungs to prevent spasms. Larger doses cause vomiting. Coltsfoot is safe for short term use, though it has the same alkaloids found in fresh comfrey that can cause hepatitis. Thornapple and it’s relatives should not be fooled with. They contain atropine, hyocyamine, and scopalamine. They can easily kill you. I would suggest schisandra berries, amla or another source of vitamin C and bioflavonoids; especially quercetin, and a mixture of coleus forskohlii and yerba mate’. recommended dosage is 1/3 teaspoon of schisandra berry powder 3 times daily before meals. Same for the amla, or 500mg of vitamin C with bioflavonoids 3 to 4 times daily. I suggest using tinctures for the coleus forskohlii and yerba mate’ mixture in a1 part forskohlii and 1/2 part mate’ mixture. Recommended dosage of the mixture is 20 to 30 drops 3 times daily on an empty stomach. The forskohlii will raise intracellular cAMP, the mate’ prevents the breakdown of cAMP. This will help prevent the attacks until the adrenal glands build back up to do this.

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Have heard that lobelia, coltsfoot, and thorn apple can all be used for asthma- does anyone know about them, how safe they are, what amounts are used, how they are prepared, which ones work the fastest or most efficently?  This information is hard to find.  Thanks

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Have heard that lobelia, coltsfoot, and thorn apple can all be used for asthma- does anyone know about them, how safe they are, what amounts are used, how they are prepared, which ones work the fastest or most efficently?

Lobelia is safe in small doses, which relax the lungs to prevent spasms. Larger doses cause vomiting. Coltsfoot is safe for short term use, though it has the same alkaloids found in fresh comfrey that can cause hepatitis. Thornapple and it’s relatives should not be fooled with. They contain atropine, hyocyamine, and scopalamine. They can easily kill you. I would suggest schisandra berries, amla or another source of vitamin C and bioflavonoids; especially quercetin, and a mixture of coleus forskohlii and yerba mate’. recommended dosage is 1/3 teaspoon of schisandra berry powder 3 times daily before meals. Same for the amla, or 500mg of vitamin C with bioflavonoids 3 to 4 times daily. I suggest using tinctures for the coleus forskohlii and yerba mate’ mixture in a1 part forskohlii and 1/2 part mate’ mixture. Recommended dosage of the mixture is 20 to 30 drops 3 times daily on an empty stomach. The forskohlii will raise intracellular cAMP, the mate’ prevents the breakdown of cAMP. This will help prevent the attacks until the adrenal glands build back up to do this.  

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Has anyone tried any herbal treatments for nasal allergies, such as quercetin or stinging nettles? — To reply, remove "nospam" from my e-mail address

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Jonny wrote: > Has anyone tried any herbal treatments for nasal allergies, such as > quercetin or stinging nettles? > — > To reply, remove "nospam" from my e-mail address

I have tried, and take,  quercetin. It made a difference, mainly in my eyes, somewhat improved asthma. My eyes have always been quite sensitive to wind irritation. This has been greatly reduced. I take 800mg/day. The pills also have vit C at 250mg/pill. I would like to find quercetin pill alone without vit C .

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does anyone know if seeing a omopathy (dont know if this is the correct way to spell this, these are people who believe in using natural medicines to cure illnesses), wll help with sinusitis.  

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Gfclock25 <gfcloc…@aol.com> wrote in article <19970722035101.XAA26…@ladder02.news.aol.com>… > does anyone know if seeing a omopathy (dont know if this is the correct > way to spell this, these are people who believe in using natural medicines > to cure illnesses), wll help with sinusitis.  

I think what you are seeking to know about is Homeopathy.   This is a system of medical treatment that quite a few people seem to swear by, but it never helped me very much. What helped me was my little herbal concoction that I heard about from a couple of different sources, among which were Dr. Andrew Weil, the well known "natural" doctor. Go to the health food store, and buy some herbal tinctures of the following herbs. Astragalus Golden Seal Echinacea Nettles combine about 12 drops or so of each in a glass with a little water in it and sip it till gone, both morning and evening.   When I have had a really bad infection, I have upped it to 15 drops of each and to 3 times a day.   You only use this till your symptoms subside, not all the time.   I have been using these herbs for a year now, and I consider it practically a miracle for me.   I really need sinus surgery, but I am afraid of it.   These herbs have helped me more than I can say. There are a couple of other things you need to do though besides taking the herbs.  You need to rinse night and morning, then blow your nose, with saline solution, to rinse away pollen and irritants that could be making it worse. You should also cut out dairy products, they tend to irritate for some reason. Good Luck Evelyn

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I had a nose plastic surgery a few years ago and since then I have had chronic sinusitis. Every morning I get up with a yellow mucous in my mouth mad I jump into the bathroom before everything. I have to blow dry my hair everytime I take a shower.Otherwise I will have a good deal of headache. I have had it for almost 15 years and the only thing I did was a few weeks of antibiotic. I also have a deviated septum. I can hardly breath through the left hole of my nose, but the right hole is ok.I know that I have chronic sinusitis. What are the best options for my sinusitis? Do I need to get the deviated septum fixed considering the fact that I can breath just through the right hole? Any good doctor in San Francisco area? thank you all.

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On 13 Sep 2004 02:12:52 -0700, sofaleso…@hotmail.com (sofalesorkh) wrote: >I had a nose plastic surgery a few years ago and since then I have had >chronic sinusitis. Every morning I get up with a yellow mucous in my >mouth mad I jump into the bathroom before everything. I have to blow >dry my hair everytime I take a shower.Otherwise I will have a good >deal of headache. I have had it for almost 15 years and the only thing >I did was a few weeks of antibiotic. >I also have a deviated septum. I can hardly breath through the left >hole of my nose, but the right hole is ok.I know that I have chronic >sinusitis. >What are the best options for my sinusitis?

There are all sorts and degrees of chronic sinusitis.  There are a number of different sinuses in the head at different places. So you need to see a specialist who will order a CT scan to see exactly which sinuses are affected and how much. Then if you get that information, people can comment. Until then one could not discuss remedies because they vary. >Do I need to get the deviated septum fixed considering the fact that I >can breath just through the right hole?

It might  or might not  have anything to do with the probelm. Difficulty breathing through one side could also be due to an inflamed/enlarged turbinate on that side. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Any good doctor in San Francisco area? >thank you all.

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Allergic rhinitis can be managed with an OTC antihistamine like Alavert and a nasal steroid like Flonase spray.

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>first step is to see if you can obtain normal cilia movement. Sounds like >your cilia movement is impaired. >Try gently lifting the tip of your nose up and maybe side to side to see if >the >airway improves. >Do breathe right strips help you? >Murray Grossan, M.D. >http://www.ent-consult.com

 I was wondering if there is a surgery to lift the tip of the nose up?  The nose strips always fall off. I find I get more air flow with the strips- too bad they don’t stay on.

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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:41:52 GMT, "Tony Banana" <tony_ban…@hotmail.com> wrote: >Allergic rhinitis can be managed with an OTC antihistamine like Alavert >and a nasal steroid like Flonase spray.

For rhinitis alone antihitamines may ne ok. But if it gets to sinusitis, antihistamines can be too drying since you need the sinus drainiage to continue. So a lot of authorities uggest steroid spray alone.

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If you get more air with the strips it may be because the sides of your nose collapse on inhallation. There is surgery to correct that problem. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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If you do the Hydro PUlse irrigation the instructins clearly state to bend your head into the sink so you can see the drain. Then there is no wa that the solution can go into your throat. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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Dear Dr,              I have been adding a 1:10 solution of Hydrogen peroxide to my Grossan Sinus Irrigator:-             a)Will it do me any harm?             b)Will it do me any good? Kindest personal regards, Ray The Travellin’ Man…………………………..Ray Armstrong Let’s Keep Music Liiiiiiiiiiiive!!!!!!!

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The first step is to see if you can obtain normal cilia movement. Sounds like your cilia movement is impaired. Try gently lifting the tip of your nose up and maybe side to side to see if the airway improves. Do breathe right strips help you? Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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Hi there I just read your article – excellent! I tried a similar thing with the Grossan Irrigator, and gave up … as the solution went into one nostril, it simply shot through to the other nostril, into my throat and I started gagging immediately. The upside down method I think is definitely the way to go! I homed in on one bit .. about allergic rhinitis. Although my symptoms are identical to sinusitis sufferers, I am pretty convinced that it is an allergy to dust mite (and maybe a host of other things) that is the trigger. I’ve had sinus type headaches two or three times a week (head / face / teeth / eyes) since I was a kid. God knows how many pain killers I’ve taken in the last 30 years, it scares the hell out of me thinking about it. I was just wondering what a good source of info for allergic rhinitis is? I’ve tried everything, the allergy sheets / pillows, expensive HEPA filters, Grossan irrigation, sprays, tablets … you name it! I also get hives pretty bad, which again is the dust mites (when I was tested at the hospital for food allergies … none came up, but the dust mite one .. came up on my arm like a Bee sting). Thanks Tony "CanDo" <rasm1…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

news:%Rh1d.127763$0o5.74399@bignews1.bellsouth.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> After suffering with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for > decades, I experimented with flooding my nasal passages with a mixture of > diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. In order to flood > my nasal passages and keep them flooded, I keep my forehead pointed > downward. I keep my forehead down for quite a while, hoping that the > anti-infective mixture can get to the infected area(s) within my sinuses and > nasal passages. > . > It works! I have been sinus infection free for about 3 years. I think that I > had chronic infection problems with my turbinates, so flooding my nasal > passages with the anti-infective mixture worked very well, for me, since the > infected areas were fairly easy to reach. > . > I have fully documented my experience and how I did it at Healthboards.com. > There are posts there by people who have tried my "upside down sinus > flooding" and have received either partial relief or total relief. There are > also posts there from those who it hasn’t helped, and by those who don’t > think that it is a good idea. I have no connection at all with Healthboards. > I use it because I consider it to be the best facility for discussing health > problems on the Internet. > . > To find out more, select one of the following links: > . > Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down Sinus > Flooding" and also discussion: > . > http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139765 > . > . > Here is the link to discussion about the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding" in the > Allergy Board: > . > http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=129210 > . > Here is the link to discussion about the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding" in the > Colds/Flu Board: > . > http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=124803 > . > . > "If you save one life, it is as though you save the world" > "sofalesorkh" <sofaleso…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:a1a676fa.0409130112.bd49c34@posting.google.com… > > I had a nose plastic surgery a few years ago and since then I have had > > chronic sinusitis. Every morning I get up with a yellow mucous in my > > mouth mad I jump into the bathroom before everything. I have to blow > > dry my hair everytime I take a shower.Otherwise I will have a good > > deal of headache. I have had it for almost 15 years and the only thing > > I did was a few weeks of antibiotic. > > I also have a deviated septum. I can hardly breath through the left > > hole of my nose, but the right hole is ok.I know that I have chronic > > sinusitis. > > What are the best options for my sinusitis? > > Do I need to get the deviated septum fixed considering the fact that I > > can breath just through the right hole? > > Any good doctor in San Francisco area? > > thank you all.

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After suffering with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for decades, I experimented with flooding my nasal passages with a mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. In order to flood my nasal passages and keep them flooded, I keep my forehead pointed downward. I keep my forehead down for quite a while, hoping that the anti-infective mixture can get to the infected area(s) within my sinuses and nasal passages. . It works! I have been sinus infection free for about 3 years. I think that I had chronic infection problems with my turbinates, so flooding my nasal passages with the anti-infective mixture worked very well, for me, since the infected areas were fairly easy to reach. . I have fully documented my experience and how I did it at Healthboards.com. There are posts there by people who have tried my "upside down sinus flooding" and have received either partial relief or total relief. There are also posts there from those who it hasn’t helped, and by those who don’t think that it is a good idea. I have no connection at all with Healthboards. I use it because I consider it to be the best facility for discussing health problems on the Internet. . To find out more, select one of the following links: . Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding" and also discussion: . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139765 . . Here is the link to discussion about the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding" in the Allergy Board: . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=129210 . Here is the link to discussion about the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding" in the Colds/Flu Board: . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=124803 . . "If you save one life, it is as though you save the world" "sofalesorkh" <sofaleso…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:a1a676fa.0409130112.bd49c34@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I had a nose plastic surgery a few years ago and since then I have had > chronic sinusitis. Every morning I get up with a yellow mucous in my > mouth mad I jump into the bathroom before everything. I have to blow > dry my hair everytime I take a shower.Otherwise I will have a good > deal of headache. I have had it for almost 15 years and the only thing > I did was a few weeks of antibiotic. > I also have a deviated septum. I can hardly breath through the left > hole of my nose, but the right hole is ok.I know that I have chronic > sinusitis. > What are the best options for my sinusitis? > Do I need to get the deviated septum fixed considering the fact that I > can breath just through the right hole? > Any good doctor in San Francisco area? > thank you all.

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Tom Lovenjak writes an execellent letter. Somnoplasty, laser, etc etc are just tools. They themselves are not cures. It is using them when indicated and using them correctly that is important.   Long before laser, somnoplasty, etc doctors got people well. So don’t think that just because there is a new "treatement" on the horizon – or in Reader’s Digest or National Inquirer that this is all you need. If you read the medical literature you will find debates on almost all types of treatment, because doctors are trying to find the best treatment for the individual.  I would rather see a doctor who is trying to find what is best for the patient than someone who advertises "Laser Surgery". Of course I have some nerve writing this,  because we just got the new laser for doing myringotomy! Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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I also feel that a proper balance of vitamins help in a lot of problems. Would be interested in what you have discovered to help you, even though everyone’s system has different requirements/ratios.  Can you post here or should I send a request to your e-mail?  Thank you. In article <76uno4$hh…@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -  lesbr…@aol.com wrote: > Re: ibd and sinusitis. there seems to be acorrelation.     i’ve had sinusitis > for about 20 years.  a few years ago an enterprising doc sent me for immune > system check.  turns out i was short some t-cells.  treatment recommended was > intravenous supplements at a cost of about $1200/month.  for second opinion > was sent to cleveland clinic where i was told that virtually no one has a > perfect immune system, and in my case, the treatment was not necessary, and > in fact could represent a risk of hepatitis.  later underwent surgery. good > result for about one year. more infections. have had some success in warding > off infection by taking megadoses of vitamins.     i am certain that i could > have greater success by fine tuning the type and dosage of vitamins and am > working toward that.  in the meantime i see all this stuff about somnoplasty, > but most of it seems to be posted either by the company that makes the > equipment, or the docs that perform the operation.  would love to hear from > someone with chronic sinusitis who has had the treatment.  in the meantime, > if you want my vitamin regimen, just ask.  i’ll be happy to send it. yy= > > inflamed sinuses for 8. Sprays and irrigation have helped but are now not > > very helpful at all. I’m looking for new solutions or info on the > > connection. If you hear of any, please let me know. > > Reply to tl…@interlog.com > > Tom Lovenjak > ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- > http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

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In article <76dfh4$ju…@camel25.mindspring.com>, "Sandi Allen" <swalle…@mindspring.com> wrote: > I was told by my ENT that my chronic sinusitis seems to go hand in hand with > my history of IBD (another immune disorder/disease).  He has found that many > IBD patients have chronic sinusitis.  My sinus problems never totally clear > up but stay infected.   I’m just happy if I can keep from having any > chest-lung involvement.  I’ve taken many rounds of antibiotics, but I have > to be careful what I take.  Has anyone else heard of this? > Sandi

I raised the same question some time ago as I suffer from both conditions. I did not get reply though. I’ve had ulcerative colitis for 12 years and Rhinitis, or chronically inflamed sinuses for 8. Sprays and irrigation have helped but are now not very helpful at all. I’m looking for new solutions or info on the connection. If you hear of any, please let me know. Reply to tl…@interlog.com Tom Lovenjak

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Perhaps your physician should consider the possiblity of Wegener’s Granulomatosis or Churg-Strauss or related autoimmune diseases.   —

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Re: ibd and sinusitis. there seems to be acorrelation.  i’ve had sinusitis for about 20 years.  a few years ago an enterprising doc sent me for immune system check.  turns out i was short some t-cells.  treatment recommended was intravenous supplements at a cost of about $1200/month.  for second opinion was sent to cleveland clinic where i was told that virtually no one has a perfect immune system, and in my case, the treatment was not necessary, and in fact could represent a risk of hepatitis.  later underwent surgery.  good result for about one year. more infections. have had some success in warding off infection by taking megadoses of vitamins.  i am certain that i could have greater success by fine tuning the type and dosage of vitamins and am working toward that.  in the meantime i see all this stuff about somnoplasty, but most of it seems to be posted either by the company that makes the equipment, or the docs that perform the operation.  would love to hear from someone with chronic sinusitis who has had the treatment.  in the meantime, if you want my vitamin regimen, just ask.  i’ll be happy to send it. yy= > inflamed sinuses for 8. Sprays and irrigation have helped but are now not > very helpful at all. I’m looking for new solutions or info on the > connection. If you hear of any, please let me know. > Reply to tl…@interlog.com > Tom Lovenjak

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I was told by my ENT that my chronic sinusitis seems to go hand in hand with my history of IBD (another immune disorder/disease).  He has found that many IBD patients have chronic sinusitis.  My sinus problems never totally clear up but stay infected.   I’m just happy if I can keep from having any chest-lung involvement.  I’ve taken many rounds of antibiotics, but I have to be careful what I take.  Has anyone else heard of this? Sandi

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Sandi.. Can you explain the term "IBD" please? There seems to be some indication that some autoimmune diseases are initiated in response to chronic infections, but to my knowledge, nothing has been proven yet.

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IBD is "Inflammatory Bowel Disease" My chronic sinus trouble started up about 2 years ago.   8 years ago, out of the blue and with no prior family history, I developed IBD, suffered about 6 years taking prednisone and various other meds, then had surgery which has helped dramatically.  The sinus trouble started after my surgery and I had been off prenisone for about 6 mos.  I took prednisone so frequently that I may have been having sinus trouble previous to this but the symptoms were being kept in check.  On top of sinus  woes, I have Meniere’s Disease with Vertigo.  I feel like the vertigo is somehow all related to the sinus problems.  I’ve found there’s not much help for this condiition.  I’ve probably given you more info than you asked for, but I thought it might help you understand the connection. Sandi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -bla…@novagate.com wrote in message <76dgth$d…@205.138.138.3>… >Sandi.. Can you explain the term "IBD" please? >There seems to be some indication that some autoimmune diseases are >initiated in response to chronic infections, but to my knowledge, nothing >has been proven yet.

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Songbirds Glad to hear some days are completely rotten. I have an odd question cuz I have asthma also. I have found its linked to certain experiences and sometimes in thp it starts up. Does that ever happen to you? Just curious.

Hi! Mind if I pop my head up and share some observations? We aren’t asthmatic but our wife is so we have done a load of research on it, as we worry about her. She does seem to get worse under any kind of anxiety or stress…more attacks, more unpleasant attacks…when she was dealing with nightmares and memories a lot it was really bad, so bad that we quit sleeping deeply when she was with us because we knew we had to -listen- in case she needed us. If you like, here is some info I/we came up with in researching the problem: (Pulled from "The Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine" and "New Choices in Natural Healing") Asthma: Suggested nutritional supplements: Vitamin B6 (25-50mg twice a day), Vitamin B12 (1000mcg a day orally: See if it’s helping after 6 weeks), Vitamin C (10-30mg day per 2 pounds of bodyweight, in divided doses), Vitamin E (200-400 IU per day), Magnesium (200-400mg three times a day), Flavinoids (choose 1): Quercetin (400mg 20 min before each meal) -or- Grape Seed Extract <95% PCO content (50-100mg three times a day) -or- Green tea extract <50% polyphenol content (200-300mg day) -or- Gingko biloba extract (80mg three times a day), Carotenes 25,000-50,000 IU/day, Selenium (200-400mg day) Herbal supplements suggested: Ephedra sinica (optimal dose depends on alkaloid content; each dose should have an ephedrine content of 12.5 to 25.0mg, and be taken 2-3 times daily. For the crude herb, that would be 500-1000mg 2-3 times a day) or Tylophora asthmatica (200mg of leaves or 40mg of the dry alcoholic extract 3 times a day), Licorice <Glycyrrhiza glabra (powdered root 1-2g three times a day -or- fluid extract <1:1 2-4ml -or- Solid <dry powdered extract <4:1 250-500mg) They suggest eating all the onions and garlic you like as good for you. : They also suggest a mainly vegan diet with fish as the major meat source. (For the Omega-3 fatty acids; these are proven to help asthma). There are a lot of warnings about food additives and excess salt as well. short.

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Since we always seem to have at least a small amt of asthma~memories,flashbacks,anxiety, etc will exaccerbate a full-fledged attack. When we first began memory work some alters quit breathing totally and others had to be summoned quickly. One T swore that certain alters had to be paired with another one because some of our alters do not breathe voluntarily. We think we have gotten steadily worse since memories started coming back. Until then we never needed hospitalization or intubation. We are like Todoe~if we read one post correctly~that bloodwork and o2 levels can come out ok and we still need treatments~because of the poor peak flow~it is only a matter of time before the oxygen levels are critical~even if they register normal at first. So yes,memory work can and often does trigger attacks~it depends on how confident the T is and how well she handles the situation as to whether it reaches crisis stages.                                            Songbirds              DID TO DAFT " Dissociatives In Distress To Dissociatives           Advocating For Themselves"

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Since we always seem to have at least a small amt of asthma~memories,flashbacks,anxiety, etc will exaccerbate a full-fledged attack. When we first began memory work some alters quit breathing totally and others had to be summoned quickly. One T swore that certain alters had to be paired with another one because some of our alters do not breathe voluntarily. We think we have gotten steadily worse since memories started coming back. Until then we never needed hospitalization or intubation.

I have never been hospitalized for asthma per se but during particularily rough times my body has responded with pnemonia. I have had it a bunch of times and have been hospitalized for it as well. The feeling of heaviness and not being able to breathe is awful. I really empathized with you on this.  We are like Todoe~if we read one post correctly~that bloodwork and o2 levels can come out ok and we still need treatments~because of the poor peak flow~it is only a matter of time before the oxygen levels are critical~even if they register normal at first. So yes,memory work can and often does trigger attacks~it depends on how confident the T is and how well she handles the situation as to whether it reaches crisis stages.

thank G-d for ventolin, aerobid etc inhalers Bree                                            Songbirds              DID TO DAFT " Dissociatives In Distress To Dissociatives           Advocating For Themselves"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Songbirds Glad to hear some days are completely rotten. I have an odd question cuz I have asthma also. I have found its linked to certain experiences and sometimes in thp it starts up. Does that ever happen to you? Just curious. Hi! Mind if I pop my head up and share some observations? We aren’t asthmatic but our wife is so we have done a load of research on it, as we worry about her. She does seem to get worse under any kind of anxiety or stress…more attacks, more unpleasant attacks…when she was dealing with nightmares and memories a lot it was really bad, so bad that we quit sleeping deeply when she was with us because we knew we had to -listen- in case she needed us. If you like, here is some info I/we came up with in researching the problem: (Pulled from "The Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine" and "New Choices in Natural Healing") Asthma: Suggested nutritional supplements: Vitamin B6 (25-50mg twice a day), Vitamin B12 (1000mcg a day orally: See if it’s helping after 6 weeks), Vitamin C (10-30mg day per 2 pounds of bodyweight, in divided doses), Vitamin E (200-400 IU per day), Magnesium (200-400mg three times a day), Flavinoids (choose 1): Quercetin (400mg 20 min before each meal) -or- Grape Seed Extract <95% PCO content (50-100mg three times a day) -or- Green tea extract <50% polyphenol content (200-300mg day) -or- Gingko biloba extract (80mg three times a day), Carotenes 25,000-50,000 IU/day, Selenium (200-400mg day) Herbal supplements suggested: Ephedra sinica (optimal dose depends on alkaloid content; each dose should have an ephedrine content of 12.5 to 25.0mg, and be taken 2-3 times daily. For the crude herb, that would be 500-1000mg 2-3 times a day) or Tylophora asthmatica (200mg of leaves or 40mg of the dry alcoholic extract 3 times a day), Licorice <Glycyrrhiza glabra (powdered root 1-2g three times a day -or- fluid extract <1:1 2-4ml -or- Solid <dry powdered extract <4:1 250-500mg) They suggest eating all the onions and garlic you like as good for you. : They also suggest a mainly vegan diet with fish as the major meat source. (For the Omega-3 fatty acids; these are proven to help asthma). There are a lot of warnings about food additives and excess salt as well. short.

Now I like to take vitamins but my question is where do I put the suitcase of pills that I need to take each day? (grin) A.C.

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Songbirds Glad to hear some days are completely rotten. I have an odd question cuz I have asthma also. I have found its linked to certain experiences and sometimes in thp it starts up. Does that ever happen to you? Just curious. Bree

Change in glandular secretions can trigger asthma, allergies, and other similar reactions. You become excited, angry, frightened, you start to wheeze. Oddly, if you become _extremely_ agitated and get into adrenalin overdrive, sometimes the symptoms recede and you can breath like an Olympic athlete. Seems a rather radical price to pay, though. a. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well~for the third day in a row~we had a real grp. It is so different~so much more in touch with us.Until today~neither of the guys had shown up.Today one did.It really upset two women who had been led to believe it was going to stay all women~but we knew this particular man~DDNOS~was supposed to come.The other might not come at all. Doing a little research~the program is on the CD floor. Most of the pple in all 3 grps have experienced CD probs.Group1 is all CD, Grp 2 was the grp we were in and calls itself a trauma grp but nearly all came right out of detox. Group 3 is us~still not insurance-wise being called a DD/DID grp~but the tx is finally right.They are still short on T’s~so the last grp of the day we mix with the trauma{??} grp.It is sooo bad.Reminds us of 3rd grade~read a section of something and discuss it.Today it started to rain~setting off our wheezing.We left saying we needed the nurse~really to get out more than anything else.But when we got no nurse to the door,we returned.The wheezing got louder~distracting pple and the cough started.We were asked to leave~presumably to find a nurse.Instead we hopped downstairs and had an apple and some lemonade.Great hour!! Peaceful and not in a grp we dislike. Sometimes the asthma ain’t so bad!!                                                Songbirds              DID TO DAFT " Dissociatives In Distress To Dissociatives           Advocating For Themselves" — You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free and that should scare the cr*p out my parents!

– The Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children was a late offshoot of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. In other words, until the late 1870’s, it was more legal to horsewhip your child than your horse.

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Songbirds Glad to hear some days are completely rotten. I have an odd question cuz I have asthma also. I have found its linked to certain experiences and sometimes in thp it starts up. Does that ever happen to you? Just curious. Bree

todoe here,  (first comments to Bree, then to Songbird) My asthma is so related to memories and such it isn’t funny.  Started when one of first worst memories had come up with feeling involved of not being able to breathe.   Recently got bad again with worst, worst memory. When I am in an exacerbation and go to t’py, it gets worse with hard issues etc. T’pist says is case for many survivors, and as work through stuff gets better. Well~for the third day in a row~we had a real grp.

Yay for the formerly wittless (them, not you(s)) It is so different~so much more in touch with us.Until today~neither of the guys had shown up.Today one did.It really upset two women who had been led to believe it was going to stay all women~but we knew this particular man~DDNOS~was supposed to come.The other might not come at all. Doing a little research~the program is on the CD floor. Most of the pple in all 3 grps have experienced CD probs.Group1 is all CD, Grp 2 was the grp we were in and calls itself a trauma grp but nearly all came right out of detox. Group 3 is us~still not insurance-wise being called a DD/DID grp~but the tx is finally right.They are still short on T’s~so the last grp of the day we mix with the trauma{??} grp.It is sooo bad.Reminds us of 3rd grade~read a section of something and discuss it

Ugh.  I was in some bad programs like this through this state agency for the "severely mentally ill."  Blech.   .Today it started to rain~setting off our wheezing.

Interesting.  It was raining in the mountains when we had the asthma attack, too.  Air just seems so heavy and full when it is so humid. We left saying we needed the nurse~really to get out more than anything else.But when we got no nurse to the door,we returned.The wheezing got louder~distracting pple and the cough started.We were asked to leave~presumably to find a nurse.Instead we hopped downstairs and had an apple and some lemonade.Great hour!! Peaceful and not in a grp we dislike. Sometimes the asthma ain’t so bad!!

heehee.  Good for you for escaping that awful group!! todoe                                                Songbirds              DID TO DAFT " Dissociatives In Distress To Dissociatives           Advocating For Themselves" — You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free and that should scare the cr*p out my parents!

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Songbirds Glad to hear some days are completely rotten. I have an odd question cuz I have asthma also. I have found its linked to certain experiences and sometimes in thp it starts up. Does that ever happen to you? Just curious. Bree – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well~for the third day in a row~we had a real grp. It is so different~so much more in touch with us.Until today~neither of the guys had shown up.Today one did.It really upset two women who had been led to believe it was going to stay all women~but we knew this particular man~DDNOS~was supposed to come.The other might not come at all. Doing a little research~the program is on the CD floor. Most of the pple in all 3 grps have experienced CD probs.Group1 is all CD, Grp 2 was the grp we were in and calls itself a trauma grp but nearly all came right out of detox. Group 3 is us~still not insurance-wise being called a DD/DID grp~but the tx is finally right.They are still short on T’s~so the last grp of the day we mix with the trauma{??} grp.It is sooo bad.Reminds us of 3rd grade~read a section of something and discuss it.Today it started to rain~setting off our wheezing.We left saying we needed the nurse~really to get out more than anything else.But when we got no nurse to the door,we returned.The wheezing got louder~distracting pple and the cough started.We were asked to leave~presumably to find a nurse.Instead we hopped downstairs and had an apple and some lemonade.Great hour!! Peaceful and not in a grp we dislike. Sometimes the asthma ain’t so bad!!                                                Songbirds              DID TO DAFT " Dissociatives In Distress To Dissociatives           Advocating For Themselves"

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Well~for the third day in a row~we had a real grp. It is so different~so much more in touch with us.Until today~neither of the guys had shown up.Today one did.It really upset two women who had been led to believe it was going to stay all women~but we knew this particular man~DDNOS~was supposed to come.The other might not come at all. Doing a little research~the program is on the CD floor. Most of the pple in all 3 grps have experienced CD probs.Group1 is all CD, Grp 2 was the grp we were in and calls itself a trauma grp but nearly all came right out of detox. Group 3 is us~still not insurance-wise being called a DD/DID grp~but the tx is finally right.They are still short on T’s~so the last grp of the day we mix with the trauma{??} grp.It is sooo bad.Reminds us of 3rd grade~read a section of something and discuss it.Today it started to rain~setting off our wheezing.We left saying we needed the nurse~really to get out more than anything else.But when we got no nurse to the door,we returned.The wheezing got louder~distracting pple and the cough started.We were asked to leave~presumably to find a nurse.Instead we hopped downstairs and had an apple and some lemonade.Great hour!! Peaceful and not in a grp we dislike. Sometimes the asthma ain’t so bad!!                                                Songbirds              DID TO DAFT " Dissociatives In Distress To Dissociatives           Advocating For Themselves"

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Dear Jeff, Does anyone know about an herb called Echinacea? Does it have any use in the treatment of asthma? I’ve been using Echinacea for about eight or nine years now for an assortment of allergies.  I notice it more when I don’t take it… I feel much more sluggish and prone to physical reactions.

Do you know what drugs are in the herb?  From your description I suspect that there are stimulants in it (epidrine is real common). If so, then you may be suffering some of the side effects the FDA has been warning about. ‘Reply to’ address changed to foil email spammers.

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Does anyone know about an herb called Echinacea? Does it have any use in the treatment of asthma?  Thanks.  Jeff.

Yes, I know of it and I take it as an immune system booster (usually when I feel a cold/cough coming on).  It’s not something that you take on a continuing basis – more like 2 weeks on/2 weeks off.  Sorry, I have no idea what it would do for asthma.  You need one of the "fringe people" to help you here.  Actually, I’m a fringe person but I never heard of anyone using it for asthma. Carol

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Colin– Do you know what drugs are in the herb?  From your description I suspect that there are stimulants in it (epidrine is real common). If so, then you may be suffering some of the side effects the FDA has been warning about.

Maybe, maybe not.  You tell me.  Here’s what’s on the label:      BIOFORCE ECHINAFORCE-  "Made only from fresh plant      extracts of flowering Echinacea (Echinacea purpurea) herb and      root.  Alcohol content approx. 65% v/v." Best Wishes, Gillian & Stan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I do not believe that echinacea has stimulants in it…at least it doesn’t have ephedra (ma huang which is primarily what the warnings are about). Echinacea supposedly has some benefit to the immune system.  There have been some studies recently that would suggest it can help prevent colds from becoming infections and speed the healing process in a cold…I don’t know how valid the studies are…I will do a medline search on Echinacea and see if there is any info. Yana

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Further question re:  echinacea… I took a combination echinacea & goldenroot (goldenseal???) and broke out in a batch of itchy hives all over!  I have no other known allergies except penicillin. Any ideas?  Which one might promote allergic reaction more?  Should I give the echinacea another try (in single form) with the next respiratory infection or just forget it??? Thanks for help. Jan

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Does anyone know about an herb called Echinacea? Does it have any use in the treatment of asthma?  Thanks.  Jeff.

This herb, I read into myself and asked the health food store about. With asthma, the immune system is more able to catch colds, flu’s, etc… This herb is suppose to strength the immune system so this does not happen as often. Renee

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Yana– I will do a medline search on Echinacea and see if there is any info.

Thanks. Best Wishes, Stan Best Wishes, Gillian & Stan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I did a search of Medline, and found some studies that indicate it has immunostimulatory activity.  Also, a study that indicated that it was good for skin that had been sun damaged.  I did not find any studies specifically relating it to asthma or allergies, nor did any of the studies mention doseage.  And of course, none of the studies were done in the US – no surprise there.   I wish I had found more useful info for everyone…this still leaves it up in the air pretty much.  I did find a study that said that there was no known toxicity of echinacea when studied on mice, but that is all I found about it’s safety. I could not find anything about golden seal at all. Yana

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Further question re:  echinacea… I took a combination echinacea & goldenroot (goldenseal???) and broke out in a batch of itchy hives all over!  I have no other known allergies except penicillin. Any ideas?  Which one might promote allergic reaction more?

Goldenseal is known to have a cross-allergic response to ragweed; folks who are allergic to ragweed pollen may be allergic to goldenseal and so they should not take it. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Disclaimer:  As far as I am aware, the opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer.

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Echinacea is an american-indian herb that is used to boost/rebuild the immune system. This is a brilliant concept as the immune system also gets a hammering everytime one takes antibiotics. In theory, the herb rebuilds the immune system and so when one gets a cold your body will be able to conquer it before the cold can really affect your asthma. Have you tried Quercetin ? – this is a bioflavornoid that has been shown to stop ones body producing alergens. i.e. it helps prevent your body reacting to something. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know about an herb called Echinacea? Does it have any use in the treatment of asthma?  Thanks.  Jeff.

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I did a search of Medline, and found some studies that indicate it has immunostimulatory activity.  Also, a study that indicated that it was good for skin that had been sun damaged.  I did not find any

studies specifically relating it to asthma or allergies, nor did any of the studies mention doseage.  And of course, none of the studies were done in the US – no surprise there.   I wish I had found more useful info for everyone…this still leaves it up in the air pretty much.  I did find a study that said that there was no known toxicity of echinacea when studied on mice, but that is all I found about it’s safety. I could not find anything about golden seal at all.

GREAT WORK!!!  Please pass onto Colin… he’s working on similar research.  Thanks. NOTE:  We’re relocating this week to Bournemouth, England for the clean air (fortunately, Gill works for a bank with a big facility there, and we were able to arrange a transfer out of NYC to this beautiful seaside town).  So, we’ll be out of touch for a month or so while we settle in. Catch you here in September. Best Wishes, Gillian & Stan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Does anyone know about an herb called Echinacea? Does it have any use in the treatment of asthma?  Thanks.  Jeff.

Echinacea (purple coneflower) is a plant that has been used for centuries by the native americans as an immune system enhancer and a topical anti-inflammatory – treatment for wounds. On a more recent note, it is widely used in Europe to fight off colds. Some of the more fantastic claims made for it are related to cancer and AIDS.  There have been some studies (Medline search came up with 47); many have been in Germany.  Most related to echinacea’s immune-boosting activity and its anti-inflammatory properties. What most studies found was that it did boost the immune system, and was more effective when applied topically than benzidamine, a topical non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug.  (Of course, this was on mice (See, Evidence from two classic irritation tests for an anti-inflammatory action of a natural extract, Echinacina B., Tragni E, Tubaro A, Melis S, Galli CL, Food Chem Toxicol 1985 Feb 23:2 317-9). The cancer tests proved negative, the AIDS tests found it effective in preventing certain forms of candida (yeast) and some opportunistic infections, which would make it helpful with AIDS related complex (ARC). (See, Polysaccharides isolated from plant cell cultures of Echinacea purpurea enhance the resistance of immunosuppressed mice against systemic infections with Candida albicans and Listeria monocytogenes, Steinm

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Someone said that asthma is difficulty only breathing out and has no correlation with phlegm increase either (I don’t know if the same person said this or not).  Anyway, I am confused.  I have been diagnosed by several doctors all of home state that I have asthma and that the mucous buildup is from the asthma having caused inflammation and irritation which caused mucous buildup…and that the mucous buildup is what makes it feel like I can’t breathe in either.

Trouble breathing Out? As airway diameter decreases (due to smooth muscle contraction, mucous hypersecretion, airway oedema), it will limit the ability to get air out of the lihs via the airways. The effective airway diameter is less on expiration because (ready for the physiology lesson!!): On expiration, there is a net positive pressure outside the airway – pushing the airway in. This is particularly so on forced expirations (ie doing spirometry). On inspiration however, there is a net negative pressure acting to pull the airways opens. This acts to almost counter the obstruction of the airway. However, with asthma (&emphysema) you can become hyper-inflated, that is your lungs instead of being only about 50% full when you are breathing normally, creep up to 70 – 90% full at normal breathing. This makes breathing very uncomfortable & you feel unable to breathe in. You can’t breathe much in because your lungs are almost full. Try taking a big breath all the way in, let out a small puff of air, now try breathing away normally at that lung volume. Bloody hard isnt’t it (& terribly uncomfortable). Welcome to the world of hyperinflation as seen in asthma & emphysema. With asthma, if you can open the airways up with treatment (bronchodilators, steroids etc), you can reduce this ‘trapped air’ & the hyperinflation can be reversed. With emphysema however, it is not reversible (altho’ traetment cant help a little). So, whilst the airways are effectively narrower on expiration, the feeling of air hunger & difficulty breathing in is most likely due to the hyperinflation associated with asthma. Brenton

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Yana,     Most of the people on the board are not doctors. Many of us share our experience, but it may not be your experience.  I would stick with what the doctor has told you, especially since you have had more than 1 doctor tell you the same thing.     With my asthma, I have trouble breathing in and out.  Every one is different.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Someone said that asthma is difficulty only breathing out and has no correlation with phlegm increase either (I don’t know if the same person said this or not).  Anyway, I am confused.  I have been diagnosed by several doctors all of home state that I have asthma and that the mucous buildup is from the asthma having caused inflammation and irritation which caused mucous buildup…and that the mucous buildup is what makes it feel like I can’t breathe in either. I am really confused now…must I yet again find another doctor because I really don’t have asthma but something entirely different? Yana

 Yana, I also have difficulty at times breathing in and out but then I’m one of the strange asthmatics that doesn’t wheeze.  I’m relatively sure that at least part of my problem with inspiration is my vocal cord paralysis which provides an airway obstruction.  I had several doctors try to tell me I didn’t have asthma because they didn’t hear me wheeze, etc.  BUT I have seen a great deal of difference in my breathing, endurance and life since I’ve seen a doctor who believes me and treats me aggressively for asthma.  Believe your doctors.  Diane

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Someone said that asthma is difficulty only breathing out and has no correlation with phlegm increase either (I don’t know if the same person said this or not).  Anyway, I am confused.  I have been diagnosed by several doctors all of home state that I have asthma and that the mucous buildup is from the asthma having caused inflammation and irritation which caused mucous buildup…and that the mucous buildup is what makes it feel like I can’t breathe in either. I am really confused now…must I yet again find another doctor because I really don’t have asthma but something entirely different?

Yana, Everyone’s asthma seems to be a little different.  I have never had any wheezing, and my lungs sound great, but I’ve been diagnosed with moderate asthma.  Instead of wheezing,  I cough . . . a LOT!  And I have a phlegm ball in my throat that keeps me from breathing well, just like you.  I don’t have problems breathing in, but it hurts when I breathe out.  When I check my peak flow, the hard blowing sets off a really bad coughing spell almost every time.   Try to trust your doctor.  I was SO embarassed when I was first diagnosed.  I complained about my chronic cough, and when the doctor suggested it might be caused by asthma, I actually argued with her!  Heehee!  Well, she was right. It’s just that you and I might have different kinds of asthma than most. Best of luck to you, Carol the Cougher E-mail to:  damsel<atusa.net "If it’s on the Internet, it must be true …"

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Hi Everbody: I also have difficulty breathing in and out.  If I close my mouth and breath through my nose, sometimes the breathing improves.  This indicates that my breathing difficulty is because of mucus in the throat.  I try and drink a glass of water which helps to thin it out, whereby I can cough it up easily.  I used to take Theodur, which my doctor said was a major cause of my acid reflux problem.  I stopped the Theodur and the problem did go away.  However if I eat foods that create mucus ie; dairy products, fatty meats and some oils I do have breathing problems. I also have asthma that is affected by alergies. Wheat (particularly white flour) this causes a reaction that closes down my breathing, wheather through the nose or mouth.  Most asthma medications do not help.  I just have to suffer through this difficult time.  Needless to say, I am very carefull regarding eating foods that have white flour. I am now taking a bioflavonoid antioxidant call "Quercetin", 500mg three times a day.  This seems to help me to over come many alergic reactions. I learned about this from the book "Prescription for Nutritional Healing" available at most book stores.  It covers most known diseases; lists symptoms and recommends alternative treatment .  I also use albuterol and tilade. I also suffer from irritable bowel syndrome that has resulted from candidias which was caused by to much antibiotics and steriods (this went undiagnosed for 3 years). This causes an asthma attack during a bowel movement.  I am using aloe vera juice with metamucil to control this.  I believe that I now have this under control. It sure pays to have a doctor who will work with you.  I pray that this information will be of help to somebody in need. 3 John 2, David

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