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|Complete with self testimonial…. they all use the same tired old |technique to sell. Untreated HPB can KILL you – does this non medical |person know that? Do they CARE? |– | |Carol |"I intend to live forever – so far, so good". yes it is complete with my testimony…but it is not tired and not to sell…..I would rather someone, as I have said before, just call for information…it is to educate them…not to sell….I do sell to someone who is truly interested…but more so would rather have them get any type of antioxidant if not mine…..and always have a doctor monitor it….that is a must….
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I found a way…my husband BP was rather high and I have him started on an antioxidant that is not a pill…it is isotonix form and his bp returned to normal. As for me, my cholesterol has lowered significantly…my tri’s were at 390 and after 5 months dropped to 176…..this was wonderful…if fact I P. I have been suffering from high BP since I was eighteen. Lowered it by P. a healthy life-style and sports, but it keeps creeping up. I have read P. about anti-oxidants and their positive affect on high blood-pressure. P. What is the basis of the anti-oxidant you are using? Where can I get P. it? Taking grape seed extract in capsule, liquid, and pill form may help with blood pressure. Also, drinking grape juice may help. .. End of message ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]
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Can anyone suggest effective remedies or protocols for high blood pressure and asthma sufferers. More exercise and lose weight. That’s what my Dad did and his BP returned to the normal range in less than a year. That was his Dr’s advice BTW and he followed it. Of course he stopped eating fatty foods and he quite smoking that year. — Carol….. My grandmother eats practically no fat (hasn’t for years), doesn’t smoke or drink. She weighs 85 lbs so I don’t think losing weight is an option. The traditional approaches to lowering blood pressure have not worked for her.
– At times, some odd approaches work, like using sodium-raising (!) supplements (instead of potassium or diuretics), which can also be effective for asthma. Other times, pangamic acid (Vit B15), co-enzyme Q10, Vit E, or regular intake of garlic help. High iron can be a cause of high BP, for which zinc, magnesium and Vit B2 may help. Magnesium may also be indicated for "stress"-related hypertension. Then there are fringe causes and effects, such as disturbances with lower incisors (1&2), which can be implicated with some types of chronic hypertension, and of course, the ‘V’ word, vaccinations, which can trigger hypertension in some people just by reading about it… — * Ron Roth
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – |The traditional approaches to lowering blood pressure have not worked |for her. | <<SNIP I found a way…my husband BP was rather high and I have him started on an antioxidant that is not a pill…it is isotonix form and his bp returned to normal. As for me, my cholesterol has lowered significantly…my tri’s were at 390 and after 5 months dropped to 176…..this was wonderful…if fact I went today and had another test done…now on the antioxidants for 10 months and will see what has happened in the last 6 months. I know I feel GREAT and stronger then I ever have. I wake up feeling alive and alert, I have not been sick in 10 months…no colds or flu…my eye sight even got better…had to change the prescription..my back pain is gone!!! I love going to bed now as I don’t hurt when I get in…..I’d love to share this information with anyone who might want to feel and look better. Tammy I have been suffering from high BP since I was eighteen. Lowered it by a healthy life-style and sports, but it keeps creeping up. I have read about anti-oxidants and their positive affect on high blood-pressure. What is the basis of the anti-oxidant you are using? Where can I get it? Thx, Paul
you should search medline for an article on food allergies and migraines. issn 0140-6736 article reports migraines relieved and hypertension eliminated by restricting wheat, orange, eggs, milk, tea, coffee, chocolate, beef, et al allergy prone foods. regards.
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Hello Gil i work with aromatherapy and i work with an essential oil called "ylang ylang" if you can find an aromatherapist or a shop that sells it it will help by massage your chest area with it (diluted wiht a massage oil) also an oil called "cedarwood" helps asthma to be used in a burner ..if you would like any more info on this feel free to mail me from Nikki – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone suggest effective remedies or protocols for high blood pressure and asthma sufferers. Thanks gil gilmore Hi Gil I was diagnosed by the local GP as having essential hypertension, who wanted to put me on a calcium blocker. I went and saw a naturopath who had a few years working with cardio specialists who gave me a treatment that had my blood preassure down from as high as 179/129 down to 130/75 in less than 8 weeks. This was worked out specifically for me and may OR _maynot_ have application for you. I’d gladly post a summary of it, but I just want to check if you were asking for a simultaneous treatment (hypertension AND asthema) or seperate ones? Glenn
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Can anyone suggest effective remedies or protocols for high blood pressure and asthma sufferers.
Here is something that is alternative: In the book: Can A GLUTEN-FREE DIET HELP? How? by Lloyd Rosenvold, M.D., [Keats Publishing, 27 Pine Street (Box 876) New Canaan, CT 06840-0876, 1992, ISBN 0-87983-538-9] he states that a study was done in the 1930’s where a group with high blood pressure was put on a gluten-free diet. The whole group experienced a reduction in bp. At almost the same time, the first really effective medication for reducing bp was put on the market. The study was soon forgotten, and patients were given a magic pill to help high bp. Taking a pill is a lot easier than following a g-f diet. Also in an informal survey in the alt.support.diet newsgroup, some on a lowcarb diet reported improved blood pressure. Such a diet would be reduced in gluten. For more info on the gluten-free diet, this page has annotated links to all and asthma sufferers.
I don’t think you’ll be able to get rid of it, but maybe you can control it to the point of not needing an inhaler. I have several things: (1) Give up dairy. There are many anecdotal reports saying that dairy worsens asthma. It also makes one more susceptible to colds, increases mucous, makes one (mostly kids) more susceptible to ear infections, and other related things. You should be able to find this info off this page of links: The No Milk Page: http://www.panix.com/~nomilk/ (2) Take magnesium supplements. This has had anecdotal reports here in this newsgroup, though not for a while. I have collected some and I can e-mail them to you. As for how much to take? I’d start with 400 mg and work up and see how it helps. I would not take more than 1600 mg/day tops. Here is a quote I found: From Wise Encyclopedia of Cookery, 1971: "Healthy lungs show twice as much magnesium as lime [i.e. calcium carbonate]. Magnesium is a cell-builder, particularly of the nervous system and lung tissues. Magnesium salts assist in reducing foreign matter and waste, and in carrying them out of the system, thus invigorating the excretory organs and producing pressure, without which metabolism would be impossible." Note that taking calcium will work against the magnesium. So don’t take it. http://www.noah.cuny.edu/ has a summary from a scientific journal (1995) suggesting that increased consumption of magnesium is very beneficial for asthmatics–preventing attacks or lessening their severity. (3) B-6: Newsgroups: alt.support.asthma In an experimental study 76 asthmatic children given 200mg B6 a day demonstrated significant symptom improvement and reduction in dosage of bronchodilators. Ann. Allergy 35:93-7, 1975 Experimental controlled study: 7pts. and 6 controls received 50 mg B6 twice a day. All asthmatics reported a dramatic decrease in frequency, duration and severity of asthmatic attacks and wheezing ceased in about one week (Reynolds RD – ibid) Also considered to be possibly beneficial were, B12, vitamin C, magnesium and Omega-3 fatty acids. (4) Aerobic exercise. Depending on what shape you’re in now, you may have to start slowly with this. But the better shape you’re in, the better your asthma condition will be. The benefit of Garlic for an asthmatic is that Garlic is the most powerful; least painful expectorant on the planet. Nothing gets fluid and congestion out of lungs better. Three ways to use: 1. Garlic soup; tastes like beef bouillon, no garlic after taste. 2. Raw Garlic for children; poke a couple holes in a raw clove of Garlic and put in water or juice. 3. Raw Garlic for adults; Put small raw clove of Garlic in mouth until mouth too hot to tolerate. We are a nutritionally-oriented association, emphasizing mineral nutrition. Our asthmatic members have reported significant results supressing asthmatic reactions using magnesium aspartate along with pyridoxal-5-phosphate, a metabolite of Vit. B-6. This is an accepted treatment for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Not everyone responded; however, over 75% did. The MgAsp formula was one we commissioned and the P-5-P was from Klaire Labs, Inc. of San Marcos, CA 92069 under their "Vital Life" label. (7) Avoid your triggers. They can be food or airborne ones. Everybody has different ones so it’s hard to list. My only one is cats, so by totally avoiding them I haven’t taken any Provential in years. If a cat owner throws a party I do not attend. In regards to the use of Magnesium, one of the drugs that we use in hospital for severe attacks in the emergency room is Magnesium Sulfate (you may know it by the name Epsom Salts). Mag works as mentioned and it also will prolog the duration of the chemicals is the muscle cells of the breathing tubes to keep them relaxed, therefore keep them open longer. I have subtantially improved my own extrinsic asthma using the above and other suggestions. Two books on alternative/complementary protocols that I recommend: "Sinus Survival" by Ivker and "Reversing Asthma" by Firshein. (10) Newsgroup: alt.folklore.herbs Vit C is very good for Asthma, recent med studies have shown great improvement with daily doses of 3 to 5,000 mg/day spread out of course. I hope you find this summary useful, Don.
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Complete with self testimonial…. they all use the same tired old technique to sell. Untreated HPB can KILL you – does this non medical person know that? Do they CARE? — Carol "I intend to live forever – so far, so good". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The one I use is called OPC-3….it is grape seed extract, pine bark extract, red wine extract and billberry extract all in an isotonix formula. Within 5 minutes it is available for absorption in the lower intestine. Your body can actually absorb up t 98% and benefit immediately unlike waiting for a pill to dissolve. I loved the product so much I became a distributor and have been helping many people with different problems. You 602-857-1898…Tammy
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More exercise and lose weight. That’s what my Dad did and his BP returned to the normal range in less than a year. That was his Dr’s advice BTW and he followed it. Of course he stopped eating fatty foods and he quite smoking that year. — Carol….. *** Man who smoke pot choke on handle. *** – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone suggest effective remedies or protocols for high blood pressure and asthma sufferers.
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Gil: If you’re on blood pressure medication, you really should be under a professional’s care so you could increase the nutritional and herbal support….and wean off the meds. But you have to be careful. However, for HBP, there are many things that can help. I would start with the three most common and effective ones and see hoe you do: 1) Magnesium (natures own beta blocker)…approx 400-500 mg/day 2) The amimo acid taurine (500 – 1000 mg/day) 3) The herb Hawthorne (a natural vaso-dilator) All three work well together. Good luck…Dan BTW…Quercetin (a plant poly-phenol) can help with allergy and asthma.
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Can anyone suggest effective remedies or protocols for high blood pressure and asthma sufferers. Thanks gil gilmore
Hi Gil I was diagnosed by the local GP as having essential hypertension, who wanted to put me on a calcium blocker. I went and saw a naturopath who had a few years working with cardio specialists who gave me a treatment that had my blood preassure down from as high as 179/129 down to 130/75 in less than 8 weeks. This was worked out specifically for me and may OR _maynot_ have application for you. I’d gladly post a summary of it, but I just want to check if you were asking for a simultaneous treatment (hypertension AND asthema) or seperate ones? Glenn
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My grandmother eats practically no fat (hasn’t for years), doesn’t smoke or drink. She weighs 85 lbs so I don’t think losing weight is an option. The traditional approaches to lowering blood pressure have not worked for her. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – More exercise and lose weight. That’s what my Dad did and his BP returned to the normal range in less than a year. That was his Dr’s advice BTW and he followed it. Of course he stopped eating fatty foods and he quite smoking that year. — Carol….. *** Man who smoke pot choke on handle. *** Can anyone suggest effective remedies or protocols for high blood pressure and asthma sufferers.
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|The traditional approaches to lowering blood pressure have not worked |for her. | <<SNIP I found a way…my husband BP was rather high and I have him started on an antioxidant that is not a pill…it is isotonix form and his bp returned to normal. As for me, my cholesterol has lowered significantly…my tri’s were at 390 and after 5 months dropped to 176…..this was wonderful…if fact I went today and had another test done…now on the antioxidants for 10 months and will see what has happened in the last 6 months. I know I feel GREAT and stronger then I ever have. I wake up feeling alive and alert, I have not been sick in 10 months…no colds or flu…my eye sight even got better…had to change the prescription..my back pain is gone!!! I love going to bed now as I don’t hurt when I get in…..I’d love to share this information with anyone who might want to feel and look better. Tammy
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – |The traditional approaches to lowering blood pressure have not worked |for her. | <<SNIP I found a way…my husband BP was rather high and I have him started on an antioxidant that is not a pill…it is isotonix form and his bp returned to normal. As for me, my cholesterol has lowered significantly…my tri’s were at 390 and after 5 months dropped to 176…..this was wonderful…if fact I went today and had another test done…now on the antioxidants for 10 months and will see what has happened in the last 6 months. I know I feel GREAT and stronger then I ever have. I wake up feeling alive and alert, I have not been sick in 10 months…no colds or flu…my eye sight even got better…had to change the prescription..my back pain is gone!!! I love going to bed now as I don’t hurt when I get in…..I’d love to share this information with anyone who might want to feel and look better. Tammy
I have been suffering from high BP since I was eighteen. Lowered it by a healthy life-style and sports, but it keeps creeping up. I have read about anti-oxidants and their positive affect on high blood-pressure. What is the basis of the anti-oxidant you are using? Where can I get it? Thx, Paul
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| |The traditional approaches to lowering blood pressure have not worked | |for her. | | | <<SNIP | I found a way…my husband BP was rather high and I have him started on an | antioxidant that is not a pill…it is isotonix form and his bp returned to | normal. As for me, my cholesterol has lowered significantly…my tri’s were | at 390 and after 5 months dropped to 176…..this was wonderful…if fact I | went today and had another test done…now on the antioxidants for 10 months | and will see what has happened in the last 6 months. I know I feel GREAT | and stronger then I ever have. I wake up feeling alive and alert, I have | not been sick in 10 months…no colds or flu…my eye sight even got | better…had to change the prescription..my back pain is gone!!! I love | going to bed now as I don’t hurt when I get in…..I’d love to share this | information with anyone who might want to feel and look better. | Tammy | | |I have been suffering from high BP since I was eighteen. Lowered it by a |healthy life-style and sports, but it keeps creeping up. I have read about |anti-oxidants and their positive affect on high blood-pressure. What is the |basis of the anti-oxidant you are using? Where can I get it? | |Thx, |Paul The one I use is called OPC-3….it is grape seed extract, pine bark extract, red wine extract and billberry extract all in an isotonix formula. Within 5 minutes it is available for absorption in the lower intestine. Your body can actually absorb up t 98% and benefit immediately unlike waiting for a pill to dissolve. I loved the product so much I became a distributor and have been helping many people with different problems. You 602-857-1898…Tammy
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My grandmother eats practically no fat (hasn’t for years), doesn’t smoke or drink. She weighs 85 lbs so I don’t think losing weight is an option. The traditional approaches to lowering blood pressure have not worked for her.
Try CoQ10, Fish oil, Garlic, Vitamin C, potassium, calcium, magnesium. For a hypertension treatment protocol see: http://lef.org/protocols/prtcl-060.shtml –Tom Tom Matthews The LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION – http://www.lef.org – 800-841-5433 A non-profit membership organization dedicated to the extension of the healthy human lifespan through ground breaking research, innovative ideas and practical methods. LIFE EXTENSION MAGAZINE – The ultimate source for new health and medical findings from around the world.
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I have been on the MacDougall diet since September at the request of my homeopathic doctor, and since that time I’ve noticed positive changes. Still, I wonder if the same improvements could be made with a less restrictive diet and whether everyone on the diet reacts positively. That’s why I want to hear the experiences of other people who’ve gone on the MacDougall or Ornish diet, especially negative experiences. So please tell me how long you tried to follow one of these diets and what negative experiences you had. Like any good homeopath, I want to hear the symptoms in detail and not the putative cause of the symptoms. So if you or anyone else could indulge me with a list of problems experienced on the MacDougall/Ornish diet, I would be grateful. —
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been on the MacDougall diet since September at the request of my homeopathic doctor, and since that time I’ve noticed positive changes. Still, I wonder if the same improvements could be made with a less restrictive diet and whether everyone on the diet reacts positively. That’s why I want to hear the experiences of other people who’ve gone on the MacDougall or Ornish diet, especially negative experiences. So please tell me how long you tried to follow one of these diets and what negative experiences you had. Like any good homeopath, I want to hear the symptoms in detail and not the putative cause of the symptoms. So if you or anyone else could indulge me with a list of problems experienced on the MacDougall/Ornish diet, I would be grateful. —
To be brief, reading Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution will address the people that can’t stick to McDougall’s Plan. Everyone’s body chemistry is NOT the same and the high complex carb people don’t usually say that.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Exactly what problems or difficulties did you have when you went on the Ornish/MacDougall diet? Food cravings due to overreactions to sugars period or a faulty glucose absorbtion rate in the brain. Drastic blood sugar imbalances run in my family and that type of diet does not work well. So far the best as far as directly helping the problem follows closely with the infamous Dr. Atkins. Food cravings will cause problems if one goes on a restrictive diet such as the Ornish or MacDougall diet. But I don’t see how these doctors can be faulted for this. After all, the diet did not cause the cravings, it merely prevents one from satisfying them. I am lucky in that I don’t have any strong cravings for foods, so going to the MacDougall diet only presented the ordinary problem of adjusting to different foods.
I don’t fault the doctors at all. I do react to the thinking by so many that there is only one type of body chemistry and everyone can benefit the same by one type of diet. I have tried all of them for long enough to know that is simply not true. Many get so excited over an initial diet change, but check back 1-3 years later and that will tell you the real story about the REALITIES of the diet. You say your food cravings are caused by faulty glucose regulation. I assume you mean hypoglycemia. I’ve never heard that food cravings were connected with hypolgycemia and wonder why you think they are. Do you have the usual symptoms of hypolglycemia (weakness, dizziness, and sweating) and if so, were they made worse by the Ornish/MacDougall diet? To the best of my knowledge, the Ornish/MacDougall diet is helpful for hypoglycemia as long as one avoids refined carbohydrates and eats frequent small meals.
First, you pigeonhole the blood sugar problem into a category that is already being rethought by even the stubborn medical establishment. hypo/hyperglycemia, diabetes, hyperinsulima etc are all in a category that I call blood sugar imbalances. This problem is classic and almost consistant to people with histories of weight/addiction/mood problems. I react to complex carbos most of the time the same as white sugar. I do believe food cravings reveal an underlying state of illness. Or a metabolism that is different than the majority. (Of course in America that means illness or abnormality) The low carbohydrate diet, as preached by Dr. Atkins and others has gone through many incarnations, most recently popping up as "The Carbohydrate Addict’s Diet". I believe that a low carbohydrate diet is fundamentally unhealthy and wish people would not try it. I believe the best diet is high in unprocessed foods rich in fiber (vegetables, beans, fruits, and whole grains), low in processed foods, and low in fat (very low judging by the levels in the Standard American Diet). This diet along with regular exercise should take your weight where it should be.
Well, if you really know the diet industry, it clearly DOES NOT work for everybody. I repeat, there are different body chemistry’s that react different to different foods. One must learn about these differences and work/eat accordingly. A person with a blood sugar imbalance that follows the standard advice of mostly complex carbs is doomed to INTENSIFY their hunger and have a constant battle with staying "desciplined." Low/no fat choices available now make the Atkins diet much easier and healthy to follow versus several years ago. If you really understand the fat question anyhow, it appears it is not so much how much fat you eat but what your body does with it. Science knows there are some body chemistrys that DO NOT get the typical health problems of a high fat diet.
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Food cravings due to overreactions to sugars period or a faulty glucose absorbtion rate in the brain. Drastic blood sugar imbalances run in my family and that type of diet does not work well. So far the best as far as directly helping the problem follows closely with the infamous Dr. Atkins.
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Exactly what problems or difficulties did you have when you went on the Ornish/MacDougall diet? Food cravings due to overreactions to sugars period or a faulty glucose absorbtion rate in the brain. Drastic blood sugar imbalances run in my family and that type of diet does not work well. So far the best as far as directly helping the problem follows closely with the infamous Dr. Atkins. Food cravings will cause problems if one goes on a restrictive diet such as the Ornish or MacDougall diet. But I don’t see how these doctors can be faulted for this. After all, the diet did not cause the cravings, it merely prevents one from satisfying them. I am lucky in that I don’t have any strong cravings for foods, so going to the MacDougall diet only presented the ordinary problem of adjusting to different foods. You say your food cravings are caused by faulty glucose regulation. I assume you mean hypoglycemia. I’ve never heard that food cravings were connected with hypolgycemia and wonder why you think they are. Do you have the usual symptoms of hypolglycemia (weakness, dizziness, and sweating) and if so, were they made worse by the Ornish/MacDougall diet? To the best of my knowledge, the Ornish/MacDougall diet is helpful for hypoglycemia as long as one avoids refined carbohydrates and eats frequent small meals. I do believe food cravings reveal an underlying state of illness. One of the "strange" questions homeopaths ask when taking a case is whether you have any food cravings or aversions. The low carbohydrate diet, as preached by Dr. Atkins and others has gone through many incarnations, most recently popping up as "The Carbohydrate Addict’s Diet". I believe that a low carbohydrate diet is fundamentally unhealthy and wish people would not try it. I believe the best diet is high in unprocessed foods rich in fiber (vegetables, beans, fruits, and whole grains), low in processed foods, and low in fat (very low judging by the levels in the Standard American Diet). This diet along with regular exercise should take your weight where it should be. —
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So far as I know the low fat vegetarian diets recommended by Ornish and MacDougall work equally well for persons with hypogycemia or diabetes, as long as the carbohydrates eaten are complex carbohydrates (as they recommend). I would be interested in hearing from persons who have tried the Ornish or MacDougall diets and had problems with it. —
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So far as I know the low fat vegetarian diets recommended by Ornish and MacDougall work equally well for persons with hypogycemia or diabetes, as long as the carbohydrates eaten are complex carbohydrates (as they recommend). I would be interested in hearing from persons who have tried the Ornish or MacDougall diets and had problems with it. —
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Diet and exercise are the best treatments for high blood pressure and your doctor should have recommended them to you. You should: o Stop using any stimulants, such as coffee or tobacco. o Decrease your intake of sodium. o Get regular aerobic exercise. o Lose weight if you are overweight. The best way to lose weight is on a low fat diet. Get Dean Ornish’s book, "Eat More, Weigh Less" for pointers. —
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o Lose weight if you are overweight. The best way to lose weight is on a low fat diet. Get Dean Ornish’s book, "Eat More, Weigh Less" for pointers. —
Except for the minority that do not have the same type of blood sugar metabolism. The high complex carb diet for these people will result in more hunger.
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Hi… I’ve been diagnosed with high blood pressure. If it is beiing checked it is always around 95/150 or something like that. Also I do have a high pulse rate (resting), mostly in the upper-80’s. My doctor wants me on medication for that (I assume Beta blockers will come in here). But maybe there is another (alternative) thing to do. I suspect someone in this group might be able to do a suggestion. thanks in advance ! Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned.
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I’ve been diagnosed with high blood pressure. If it is beiing checked it is always around 95/150 or something like that. Also I do have a high pulse rate (resting), mostly in the upper-80’s. My doctor wants me on medication for that (I assume Beta blockers will come in here). But maybe there is another (alternative) thing to do.
The first question almost anyone would ask is: are you in good or bad physical condition? A resting pulse in the high 80s is quite high. Perhaps you should be getting more (aerobic) exercise? I realize this will be considered obvious by many of you readers out there, but the poster didn’t offer us much in the way of detail. — David Wright, Hitachi Computer Products (America), Inc. Waltham, MA but you’re free to disagree, you poor deluded creature
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