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(Buffalo, NY, March 7, 2005) – - It is a new week of change for residents across Erie County. Many of the budget cuts to staff and services will start to take effect Monday. Parents will feel the loss of school nurses who will no longer be in Buffalo schools as of Monday morning. The doors are now shut and locked for good at the Amherst and Orchard Park auto bureaus. A final round of pink slips will go out to county employees whose jobs went on the chopping block, including those from the district attorney’s and comptroller’s office. For parents of Buffalo school children, one hardship is the loss of school nurses. Monday marks the first school day without them. Nancy Rodriguez said, "We’re talking about innocent kids that are put in harm’s way because of this budget. I think it’s a shame. I think it’s appalling, and I think all these parents should step up." Buffalo Teachers Federation President Phil Rumore said, "There are to be children that could die if they don’t have the nurses. They should be our number one priority." Justice Joseph Makowski says residents have no legal standing to stop the county from laying off Buffalo school nurses. Makowski will be hearing more county budget issues later Monday morning in city court.

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   Irate motorists causing concerns for county clerk Mar 08, 2005 – NORTH TONAWANDA, N.Y. (AP) -You’ve heard of road rage. How about ‘DMV rage’? That’s what the Niagara County Clerk says he fears now that some of the satellite offices for the Department of Motor Vehicles have closed down in neighboring Erie County. The Buffalo-area is seeing many county services reduced or shut down because of a budget crunch. Erie County has closed two of hits suburban DMV offices and laid off more than 100 workers. That has forced some Erie County residents to head north, where they’re doing their DMV business with Niagara County. The county clerk says disgruntled residents are streaming in the North Tonawanda office just north of Buffalo

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Hi, I am a 28 year old male and have had asthma from the age of 4 it went away for a few years when I was around 12 but had it ever since. I have been on ventolin and becotide for as along as I can remember but these days its affect aren’t as apparent as they once where. I haven’t had an asthma attack that I know of in years, I do have to take my ventolin around 3 – 4 times a day an I feel this is to much I don’t want to increase my becotide as I feel this is responsible for my weight gain and I seem to have developed breast for some strange reason. I am 5ft 7 and 14 stone so I am over weight but not obese (yet) Does this sound normal to anyone and is this just these just the grudges I bear because of having asthma in the first place I will be grateful for any advice Best Regards Patrick

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am a 28 year old male and have had asthma from the age of 4 it went away for a few years when I was around 12 but had it ever since. I have been on ventolin and becotide for as along as I can remember but these days its affect aren’t as apparent as they once where. I haven’t had an asthma attack that I know of in years, I do have to take my ventolin around 3 – 4 times a day an I feel this is to much I don’t want to increase my becotide as I feel this is responsible for my weight gain and I seem to have developed breast for some strange reason. I am 5ft 7 and 14 stone so I am over weight but not obese (yet) Does this sound normal to anyone and is this just these just the grudges I bear because of having asthma in the first place I will be grateful for any advice Best Regards Patrick

the thing to do is to add something in as a preventer that works on a different basis than Becotide…split the workload and spread the side effects out whilst getting a greater effect Singulair and Intal come to mind immediately as options…ask your doctor if you can start trying out some of the options — eric "when all is said and done, there is a lot more said than done"

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I have been on ventolin and becotide for as along as I can remember but these days its affect aren’t as apparent as they once where. I haven’t had an asthma attack that I know of in years, I do have to take my ventolin around 3 – 4 times a day an I feel this is to

I can’t understand why you are taking Ventolin when you haven’t had an asthma attack in years.   Peter Kolb Free information provided by grateful ex-asthmatics     http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm

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I can’t understand why you are taking Ventolin when you haven’t had an asthma attack in years.   Peter Kolb make sure you get rid of the bronchodilators first. They’re really bad for your asthma because they encourage you to breathe too much.

Peter Kolb http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=648073818 Although they pant and wheeze and complain of being unable to breathe, their symptoms are actually caused by breathing too much and putting themselves into a state of respiratory alkalosis. He might be responsible for turning innocent children over to the drug companies with his uninformed babble, and that’s what really concerns me. There are millions of asthma sufferers who really don’t need to have asthma, contrary to what is being promote  by the supporters of the obscenely lucrative medical/pharmaceutical marriage whose bread and butter you have become. Thanks for your obviously sincere efforts at helping to promote the pharmaceutical industry.  But frankly, talking to you guys reminds me of a great quote from Dilbert: "Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." You make far more keeping people enslaved to drugs over which you have control. You just  keep on sucking at your puffers, feller!

http://www.rph.wa.gov.au/patient/index.html    Information in Peter Kolb’s FAQ provided by              grateful asthmatics    http://x63.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=656808812 The message, above, came from an anonymous remailer. Everybody has a right to privacy on the internet, so remailers have an important role to play here. But keep in mind that you can use any name you want when posting via a remailer. That means that it is possible to forge somebody else’s name on a message. Please be aware of that when replying to somebody whose message came through a remailer.

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Well I still get breathless and tight in the chest, and need it to relieve me and help me breath, I wouldn’t call this an asthma attack but if I didn’t take the ventolin it may turn into one. If you think this is incorrect please let me know as this has always been my understanding. Regards Patrick

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been on ventolin and becotide for as along as I can remember but these days its affect aren’t as apparent as they once where. I haven’t had an asthma attack that I know of in years, I do have to take my ventolin around 3 – 4 times a day an I feel this is to I can’t understand why you are taking Ventolin when you haven’t had an asthma attack in years. Peter Kolb Free information provided by grateful ex-asthmatics     http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm

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Well I still get breathless and tight in the chest, and need it to relieve me and help me breath, I wouldn’t call this an asthma attack but if I didn’t take the ventolin it may turn into one. If you think this is incorrect please let me know as this has always been my understanding.

Those are asthma symptoms. BTW, do not trust any medical advice from Peter Kolb.  His only interest is to promote a form of quackery.  Only trust asthma advice that is supported by actual doctors. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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Well I still get breathless and tight in the chest, and need it to relieve me and help me breath, I wouldn’t call this an asthma attack but if I didn’t take the ventolin it may turn into one. If you think this is incorrect please let me know as this has always been my understanding.

it is probably an asthma attack…the very early stages…but if it’s happening several times a day then you need to get your treatment augmented…ask about adding in something other than the Becotide, there are several options…if you use two or more preventers with different actions it’ll help more whilst spreading out the risk of side effects (ie small risk of several side effects instead of increasing the risk of one or two) and hopefully you can get to the stage where you need the rescue inhaler (Ventolin) less than once a week — eric "all characters portrayed in this post are entirely fictitious and should not be confused"

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Hi Patrick Well I still get breathless and tight in the chest, and need it to relieve me and help me breath, I wouldn’t call this an asthma attack but if I didn’t take the ventolin it may turn into one. If you think this is incorrect please let me know as this has always been my understanding.

I would urge you to have a look at Buteyko therapy,  which is the only really scientific treatment for asthma around.  According to the theory, asthma is just one of the many symtoms of chronic hyperventilation syndrome.  Buteyko therapy reverses this chronic hyperventilation.  We’ve explained it pretty comprehensively on our web site.   Unfortunately I don’t have anything I can actually sell you,  but you’ll find the experiences of a few of us amateurs on our web site. There’s sufficient information there for you to try it our for yourself.  Since Buteyko therapy is still very much in its embryonic stage in the west, there is unlikely to be a Buteyko practitioner near you either.   Can I also recommend a really great support group which you can access through our web site too.  Since we’re all amateurs it obviously doesn’t cost anything. If you’re put off Buteyko by some of the misguided individuals on this group,  then try one of the original forms of Yoga, which too relies on reduced breathing for it’s beneficial effects.  Unfortunately many of the modern forms of Yoga have been bastardized.  So you would have to find some Chinese master of the art.  What is  interesting is that Buteyko theory actually explains in terms of western physiological understanding how Yoga works. Best wishes Peter Kolb Biomedical Engineer Free information provided by grateful ex-asthmatics     http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm

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What is  interesting is that  Buteyko theory actually explains in terms of western physiological understanding how Yoga works.

Right, would you like to buy a bridge?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Patrick Well I still get breathless and tight in the chest, and need it to relieve me and help me breath, I wouldn’t call this an asthma attack but if I didn’t take the ventolin it may turn into one. If you think this is incorrect please let me know as this has always been my understanding. I would urge you to have a look at Buteyko therapy,  which is the only really scientific treatment for asthma around.  According to the theory, asthma is just one of the many symtoms of chronic hyperventilation syndrome.  Buteyko therapy reverses this chronic hyperventilation.  We’ve explained it pretty comprehensively on our web site.  

there is no unfaked evidence that chvs exists…Peter regularly backs up this ludicrous theory by linking to  faked or flawed research that even then barely shows any possibility of the idea being correct Unfortunately I don’t have anything I can actually sell you,  but you’ll find the experiences of a few of us amateurs on our web site. There’s sufficient information there for you to try it our for yourself.  Since Buteyko therapy is still very much in its embryonic stage in the west, there is unlikely to be a Buteyko practitioner near you either.  

they will eventually try to sell you books and videos…that seems to be where the money is Can I also recommend a really great support group which you can access through our web site too.  Since we’re all amateurs it obviously doesn’t cost anything.

it’s a clever con this one…as I’ll explain If you’re put off Buteyko by some of the misguided individuals on this group,  then try one of the original forms of Yoga, which too relies on reduced breathing for it’s beneficial effects.  Unfortunately many of the modern forms of Yoga have been bastardized.  So you would have to find some Chinese master of the art.  What is  interesting is that Buteyko theory actually explains in terms of western physiological understanding how Yoga works.

Yoga is a good idea…you will learn better control of your breathing and some useful relaxation techniques it has nothing to do with Buteyko…Buteyko theory is totally at odds with the vast bulk of medical and scientific evidence, it explains nothing…Yoga, however, helps an asthmatic in ways fairly well understood by medicine, and according to theories that fit the available evidence now the trick…what Buteyko teaches you to do is to react to tightness in the chest by taking shallower breaths…which very obviously will make the shortness of breath become a deliberate act rather than a necessity…so you feel like the attack isn’t happening…but it is eventually you will be lulled into the idea that you can handle all mild asthma attacks with Buteyko…which is NO help in dealing with the underlying problems which you can no longer judge the severity of…and it leaves you very vulnerable should you have a severe attack isn’t it clever?…you’ll think it’s working…for a while…but all it does is hide some of the milder symptoms it’s the equivalent of dealing with a broken leg by hopping around on the other leg…there won’t be as much pain as if you do nothing…but it’s not a patch on getting it put in a splint and dealing with the cause not the symptoms — eric "sunburn is nature’s way of telling you to spend more time online"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Patrick Well I still get breathless and tight in the chest, and need it to relieve me and help me breath, I wouldn’t call this an asthma attack but if I didn’t take the ventolin it may turn into one. If you think this is incorrect please let me know as this has always been my understanding. I would urge you to have a look at Buteyko therapy,  which is the only really scientific treatment for asthma around.  According to the theory, asthma is just one of the many symtoms of chronic hyperventilation syndrome.  Buteyko therapy reverses this chronic hyperventilation.  We’ve explained it pretty comprehensively on our web site.  

If Buteyko is ’scientific’ then you can surely refer us to the consensus statement by authoritative medical bodies (such as the American Association of Allergy Asthma and Immunology) to support your claim.  Or reference an actual medical textbook that explicitly supports the claims you make for buteyko. If buteyko theory was real then you would be able to point to actual scientific research that expressibly demonstrates buteyko theory.  In reality the best you can provide is the Brisbane paper where the authors had to lie in order to show any effect whatsoever. BTW, haven’t we caught you lying about ‘no financial interest’ before? "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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http://www.rph.wa.gov.au/patient/index.html    Information in Peter Kolb’s FAQ provided by              grateful asthmatics    http://x63.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=656808812 Hi Patrick I would be delighted if you would contact my hospital and start kicking up some sh_t.

I would urge you to have a look at Buteyko therapy,  which is the only really scientific treatment for asthma around.

http://x76.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=658495328 "There is no support for this theory in conventional medical science." Dr Simon Bowler, Thoracic Physician Lead author Buteyko breathing techniques in asthma: a blinded randomised controlled trial

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In my opinion this has all been a setup so petey (not Pierre) could get back on his soap box, I’ve been duped into responding.  I’ll ignore him for the moment, it’s really not worth giving him the attention.

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I can just see this frail old man  (71)

I don’t know what kind of mayfly genes you hang around, but with my relatives "frail old" covers 101, not 71. The few people 71+ who read that were at the very least insulted by that sterotypical putdown. // That’s 2 // "I am not a crook." Nixon RM "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." Martin Luther King, Jr.

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I can just see this frail old man  (71) This is crap!  If he was so frail and had such poor mental abilities that a lawyer could, in a public court room with a judge and media present, turn his mind into jello what business did he have practicing medicine!?

If you read the article you would be aware that he was physically frail and his health was faltering under the gruelling assault of the QC.   It would take a very tough man not to falter under the grilling of a competent QC determined to find some way of discrediting him. We all have weaknesses and the practice of medicine is full of them.   Look what they did to Nixon! What did they do to Nixon?

Tried to discredit him, like they did with Semmelweiss.  Semmelweiss was eventually locked up in a lunatic asylum where he was reported to have died insane.  But I’ve subsequently learned that this is the way the medical profession used to treat dissidents….  they locked them up where they could quietly dispatch them under the pretext that they had to be calmed down.  But obviously there is no proof around to substantiate this! Lynne McTaggart quotes New Scientist:17 September 1994:23, that  80% of medical procedures used today have never been properly tested. What does that have to do with the existence of a medical disorder?

It has everything to do with the practice of medicine.  There is a perception in the community that medicine is a science practiced in a scientific way.  How hard do you think it would be for a determined QC to use some of these untested remedies to make just about any doctor look foolish? I’ve seen conventional doctors squirm under questioning by reporters, without the aid of a QC. How many?  Where did you see them?

One of the most memorable of these involved a young reporter questioning Professor Mitchell (of the Buteyko trial fame) on the safety of Bronchodilators.  He conceded that taking bronchodilators could make your asthma worse in the long run. After further questioning he conceded that the "critical studies weren’t done".  The reporter asked him he if could understand that the community would be alarmed   to discover that these drugs have been  given for over 30 years without having been properly tested.  He had to agree.   The program was produced by Australia’s  Channel 9 "Sunday" team, which has a reputation for producing outstanding investigative reports.  I still have a copy.  The porogram was screened a few years ago and included a thorough examination of the Buteyko method. That all doctors practice medicine according to a strict scientific code is just a myth. I have never heard of any strict ’scientific code’ that all doctors swear to practice in accordance with, have you?  If so, what is it?

Exactly.  I’m glad you said it.  I’d be crucified for saying that! I think Nixon just got in the way and they did a hatchet job on him. That’s your opinion.  Who did he get in the way of?

Yes it is my opinion, but then that’s what I said…" I think..". Professor Nixon was apparently quite a prolific writer  especially in the popular media.   I think it suits the establishement not to have the status quo questioned,  and therefore to have him out of the way. Fortunately the debate is going to come to a head now that so many people are benefiting from Buteyko therapy. How many?  Where?

By 1990  Buteyko  was already established and well known in Russia.  I recently  met some  (non-Buteyko) Russians who confirmed his popularity and fame in their home land. The movement  then came to Australia where it took a few years to get established.  When I got onto the internet around 1995 I did a search on Buteyko and found nothing.  That’s why we established the web site.  Probably a year or two after that the Sunday program was produced.  From what I recall their researchers found that about 10,000 Australians and NewZealanders had undergone the Buteyko treatment.    A report a few years earlier contacted  all the contactable Buteyko patients and found that  9% had not benefitted at all from the treatment. 29% had derived some benefit and 62% had derived great benefit.  Not bad for a treatment that requires 100% patient compliance.  Most doctors can’t even get their patients to finish a course of antibiotics. But now Buteyko is spreading all over the world.  I’ve had correspondence with people from  United Kingdom, Ireland, USA, Canada, Colombia,  Iceland,  Holland, Germany, France, Israel, Switzerland, Philippenes,  India…..   It has taken just a few years for this amazing mushrooming of Buteyko activity all over the world.   So how many people exactly have benefitted?  There is obviously no way to keep track.  But it’s obviously a lot. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Many people are not waiting for the results of a lot of  intellectual masturbation on the CHVS debate.  They’re hearing from their friends that the classical symptoms of CHVS, such as those discussed by Professor Nixon, Many people, as in three? disappear under Buteyko treatment. The Clever QC might have been able to make Nixon look bad,  but Buteyko has demonstrated with his very effective treatment for CHVS, that Nixon was right all along. And where is this data published?

Apart from the Brisbane Paper most of this data is anecdotal.  But there are others like  Cluff  (Ref 1) who have published stuff on successful Buteyko-type treatment. The medical establishement is still largely hostile to Buteyko and we’ll just have to wait for interested doctors to do the research and then for a medical publisher to publish the paper.  Both these tasks are difficult considering that there is no money in   teaching people to breathe and that the consequences are going to produce a huge shake out in the medical and pharmaceutical industries.   Peter Kolb Ref. 1. Cluff RA, "Chronic Hyperventilation and its treatment by physiotherapy:  discussion paper", J of the Royal Society of Medicine, VOL 77, September 1984, 855-861 Free information provided by grateful ex-asthmatics     http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm

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Lynne McTaggart quotes New Scientist:17 September 1994:23, that  80% of medical procedures used today have never been properly tested.

The last time you made this claim it was pointed out to you that this claim is not backed up by facts. As usual, when something you say is shown to be incorrect you simply wait a few months to make the claim again.

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Nixon was controversial in that after an investigation it was proven that he faked data to try to make it look like his research proved the existence of CHVS…in fact his results did no such thing…he was a FRAUD Peter…he was a con artist who got caught…that is not subject to controversy, that is now accepted scientific and legal fact and admitted by Nixon himself…the controversy is about exactly what penalty he should pay for it

I can just see this frail old man  (71) with a life time of wisdom behind him, after five days of a skillful assault  by a sharp young QC, collapse in the face of the onslaught and just give up.  Professor Nixon’s  work spans many decades.  During his life time things would have changed.  Maybe he did’nt keep up completely with the changes. But everyone has weaknesses  that can be turned into festering wounds by a clever lawyer.  Maybe that’s why doctors are so frightened to adopt new ideas.  Look what they did to Nixon!   Lynne McTaggart quotes New Scientist:17 September 1994:23, that  80% of medical procedures used today have never been properly tested. I’ve seen conventional doctors squirm under questioning by reporters, without the aid of a QC.  That all doctors practice medicine according to a strict scientific code is just a myth.  I think Nixon just got in the way and they did a hatchet job on him. Fortunately the debate is going to come to a head now that so many people are benefiting from Buteyko therapy.  Many people are not waiting for the results of a lot of  intellectual masturbation on the CHVS debate.  They’re hearing from their friends that the classical symptoms of CHVS, such as those discussed by Professor Nixon, disappear under Buteyko treatment.   The Clever QC might have been able to make Nixon look bad,  but Buteyko has demonstrated with his very effective treatment for CHVS, that Nixon was right all along.  This trial did nothing more than buy a little  time for the present  lucrative medico/pharamaceutical establishment. There are masses more people who write serious papers on Chronic Hyperverventilation syndrome.  And they are continually churning out papers to this day,  long after the Nixon trial.  Here’s a short list of such doctors and medical scientists who authored articles I have Abramson N Aronson PR Bass C Brasher RE Clarke P Cluff RA Colla P Compernolle T   Cordasco EM Cox A Demeter SL Duncan SR Folgering H Gardner W Garssen B Gaudio R Gibson J Hattenhauer M Heyman A Hibbert GA Hoogdain K Hormbrey J Ingram RH Jacobi M Joele L Joorabchi B Lewis BI Linz DH Lum LC Magarian GJ McFadden ER Middaugh DA Mills H Morgan WP Neill WA Patil C Pfeffer JM Pilsbury DJ Saltzman HA Raffin TA Saunders K Sher TH Sieker HO Stanfield CA Tavel ME Waites TF Wheatley CE Yu PN Yim JB It’s going to take a while to drag all of them through the court system. Peter Kolb Biomedical Engineer Free information provided by grateful ex-asthmatics     http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm

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I can just see this frail old man  (71)

This is crap!  If he was so frail and had such poor mental abilities that a lawyer could, in a public court room with a judge and media present, turn his mind into jello what business did he have practicing medicine!? Look what they did to Nixon!

What did they do to Nixon? Lynne McTaggart quotes New Scientist:17 September 1994:23, that  80% of medical procedures used today have never been properly tested.

What does that have to do with the existence of a medical disorder? I’ve seen conventional doctors squirm under questioning by reporters, without the aid of a QC.

How many?  Where did you see them? That all doctors practice medicine according to a strict scientific code is just a myth.

I have never heard of any strict ’scientific code’ that all doctors swear to practice in accordance with, have you?  If so, what is it? I think Nixon just got in the way and they did a hatchet job on him.

That’s your opinion.  Who did he get in the way of? Fortunately the debate is going to come to a head now that so many people are benefiting from Buteyko therapy.

How many?  Where? Many people are not waiting for the results of a lot of  intellectual masturbation on the CHVS debate.  They’re hearing from their friends that the classical symptoms of CHVS, such as those discussed by Professor Nixon,

Many people, as in three? disappear under Buteyko treatment. The Clever QC might have been able to make Nixon look bad,  but Buteyko has demonstrated with his very effective treatment for CHVS, that Nixon was right all along.

And where is this data published?

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Bookmark this post!! In six months Peter will be happily quoting Nixon again, denying that there ever was a scandal. — CBI, M.D.

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What a load!  The first refuge of  quacks is to claim that the "conspiratorial establishment" is attempting to supress the genius of their cures.  The good Dr. admitted to fudging his data without a rubber hose in sight.  If any scientist of character were falsely accused of cooking the books, no barrister on the planet could trick him into saying otherwise.  You "can just see this frail old man…", can you?  Again, your imagination runs rampant.  You weren’t there were you?  Yet you concoct a scenario wherein Nixon becomes the victim rather than a perpetrator of a fraud.  Interesting how you gravitate your sympathies toward intellectual dishonesty. You state: "Many people are not waiting for the results of a lot of intellectual masturbation on the CHVS debate."  So that’s how you regard legitimate research and scientific method.  Thank you for the elucidation of your priorities and methodologies.  When real scrutiny of CHVS under controlled studies fail to bear fruit, resort to the anecdotal ("even though there is no real evidence, we’ve convinced a few dupes that we’re providing something tangible"). Keep it up, please.  When you’re this obviously dishonest, it makes it much easier to expose you for the quack that you are… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nixon was controversial in that after an investigation it was proven that he faked data to try to make it look like his research proved the existence of CHVS…in fact his results did no such thing…he was a FRAUD Peter…he was a con artist who got caught…that is not subject to controversy, that is now accepted scientific and legal fact and admitted by Nixon himself…the controversy is about exactly what penalty he should pay for it I can just see this frail old man  (71) with a life time of wisdom behind him, after five days of a skillful assault  by a sharp young QC, collapse in the face of the onslaught and just give up.  Professor Nixon’s  work spans many decades.  During his life time things would have changed.  Maybe he did’nt keep up completely with the changes. But everyone has weaknesses  that can be turned into festering wounds by a clever lawyer.  Maybe that’s why doctors are so frightened to adopt new ideas.  Look what they did to Nixon! Lynne McTaggart quotes New Scientist:17 September 1994:23, that  80% of medical procedures used today have never been properly tested. I’ve seen conventional doctors squirm under questioning by reporters, without the aid of a QC.  That all doctors practice medicine according to a strict scientific code is just a myth.  I think Nixon just got in the way and they did a hatchet job on him. Fortunately the debate is going to come to a head now that so many people are benefiting from Buteyko therapy.  Many people are not waiting for the results of a lot of  intellectual masturbation on the CHVS debate.  They’re hearing from their friends that the classical symptoms of CHVS, such as those discussed by Professor Nixon, disappear under Buteyko treatment. The Clever QC might have been able to make Nixon look bad,  but Buteyko has demonstrated with his very effective treatment for CHVS, that Nixon was right all along.  This trial did nothing more than buy a little  time for the present  lucrative medico/pharamaceutical establishment. There are masses more people who write serious papers on Chronic Hyperverventilation syndrome.  And they are continually churning out papers to this day,  long after the Nixon trial.  Here’s a short list of such doctors and medical scientists who authored articles I have Abramson N Aronson PR Bass C Brasher RE Clarke P Cluff RA Colla P Compernolle T Cordasco EM Cox A Demeter SL Duncan SR Folgering H Gardner W Garssen B Gaudio R Gibson J Hattenhauer M Heyman A Hibbert GA Hoogdain K Hormbrey J Ingram RH Jacobi M Joele L Joorabchi B Lewis BI Linz DH Lum LC Magarian GJ McFadden ER Middaugh DA Mills H Morgan WP Neill WA Patil C Pfeffer JM Pilsbury DJ Saltzman HA Raffin TA Saunders K Sher TH Sieker HO Stanfield CA Tavel ME Waites TF Wheatley CE Yu PN Yim JB It’s going to take a while to drag all of them through the court system. Peter Kolb Biomedical Engineer Free information provided by grateful ex-asthmatics     http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm

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Just a quick run through. It would be much better if I had the time and the inclination. 1. Aronson PR, "Hyperventilation from organic diseases", Ann Intern Med, VOL 50, 1959, 554-559

][ Aronson PR article below indicates his perspective of hyperventilation ][ is psychological not physiological.    J New Drugs 1966 Sep-Oct;6(5):305-7    Evaluation of psychotropic drug therapy    in chronic hyperventilation syndrome: intensive study design.    Aronson PR    Publication Types:       Clinical trial       Controlled clinical trial    PMID: 5339422, UI: 67180146 2. Bass C, "The hyperventilation syndrome", Respiratory Diseases in Practice, VOL , Oct/Nov 1990, 13-16

][ The reference above is probably rendered obsolete by the authors ][ recent article below. Bass C writes, "there is no evidence that ][ "breathing therapy" works by normalizing pCO2; its nonspecific ][ effects on anxiety appear to be mediated in part by slowing ][ respiratory rate".    J Psychosom Res 1997 May;42(5):421-6    Hyperventilation syndrome: a chimera?    Bass C    There is now an impressive body of research to suggest that the    concept of a discrete hyperventilation syndrome is no longer tenable.    The evidence for this has been carefully gathered and the scientific    studies have employed innovative methodological techniques and have    introduced a key psychological dimension. Both have led to a greater    understanding of the respiratory correlates of anxiety, but in the    process have revealed the "hyperventilation syndrome" to be a chimera.    Furthermore, there is no evidence to support the view that panic    attacks and hyperventilation are synonymous: on the contrary,    hyperventilation rarely accompanies panic and, when it does, it is    more likely to be a consequence than a cause of the panic. Finally,    there is no evidence that "breathing therapy" works by normalizing    pCO2; its nonspecific effects on anxiety appear to be mediated in    part by slowing respiratory rate. Further research in this field    might be more profitably focused on the nature of the association    between anxiety disorders and organic lung disease, especially asthma.    Publication Types:       Editorial       Review       Review, tutorial    PMID: 9194014, UI: 97337272 ][ In this study of hyperventilation syndrome Bass C and Gardner WN ][ notes "Standard lung function test results and chest radiographs ][ were normal in all patients." Again, no asthma association. ][ ][ And of lung function tests adversely affecting the test results? ][ Even IF the assumption is made lung function tests produce low scores ][ that are interpreted as asthma, this set of tests were all "normal", ][ not asthmatic or abnormal. An exceptionally physically healthy ][ baseline. ][ ][ Note, "Ten of the 21 patients were neurotic and suffered from ][ chronic psychiatric disturbance", and "Asthma and pulmonary ][ embolus must be specifically excluded"    Br Med J (Clin Res Ed) 1985 May 11;290(6479):1387-90    Respiratory and psychiatric abnormalities    in chronic symptomatic hyperventilation.    Bass C, Gardner WN    Many physicians believe that the hyperventilation syndrome is    invariably associated with anxiety or undiagnosed organic disease    such as asthma and pulmonary embolus, or both. Twenty one patients    referred by specialist physicians with unexplained somatic symptoms    and unequivocal chronic hypocapnia (resting end tidal Pco2 less    than or equal to 4 kPa (30 mm Hg) on repeated occasions during    prolonged measurement) were investigated. All but one complained    of inability to take a satisfying breath. Standard lung function    test results and chest radiographs were normal in all patients,    but histamine challenge showed bronchial hyper-reactivity in    two of 20 patients tested, and skin tests to common allergens    were positive in three of 18. Ventilation-perfusion scanning was    abnormal in a further three of 15 patients studied, with    unmatched perfusion defects in two and isolated ventilation    defects in one. None of the 21 had thyrotoxicosis,    severe coronary heart disease, or other relevant cardiovascular    abnormalities. Ten of the 21 patients were neurotic and suffered    from chronic psychiatric disturbance characterised by anxiety,    panic, and phobic symptoms. The remainder had no detectable    psychiatric disorders but reported proportionately more somatic    than anxiety symptoms. Severe hyperventilation can occur in the    absence of formal psychiatric or detectable respiratory or other    organic abnormalities. Asthma and pulmonary embolus must be    specifically excluded.    PMID: 3922504, UI: 85200668 ][ Note, "The respiratory responses of 17 patients with chronic ][ hyperventilation but without demonstrable organic disease". and ][ "Chronic hyperventilation was of two types", "or provoked ][ by exercise".    Lancet 1986 Oct 11;2(8511):826-30    Controlled study of respiratory responses during prolonged    measurement in patients with chronic hyperventilation.    Gardner WN, Meah MS, Bass C    The respiratory responses of 17 patients with    chronic hyperventilation but without demonstrable organic disease    (group H) to various manoeuvres were compared with those of    21 healthy controls (group C). The responses were tested according    to a 60 min protocol in which periods of rest were replaced by    exercise, voluntary hyperventilation (VHV), reading, and    CO2 inhalation. 5 patients with severe resting hypocapnia were    investigated overnight during sleep. Chronic hyperventilation was    of two types--persistent or provoked by exercise or VHV. It was    due to modest increases in tidal volume and respiratory frequency    but was generally not conspicuous. End-tidal PCO2 levels were    gradually corrected to near normal during sleep but not by    inhalation of CO2.    PMID: 2876278, UI: 87013623 4. Clarke P, Gibson J, "Asthma, hyperventilation and emotion", Australian Family Physician, VOL , 1980, 715-719

][ "Hyperventilation in asthmatic subjects causes airways obstruction", ][ NOT "hyperventilation causes asthma"    Aust Fam Physician 1980 Oct;9(10):715-9    Asthma hyperventilation and emotion.    Clarke PS, Gibson JR    Hyperventilation in asthmatic subjects causes airways    obstruction as demonstrated by a fall in the Forced    Expiratory Volume in one second. Clinically,    measurements of blood gases during asthmatic attacks    have shown that asthmatic subjects, who hyperventilate    have a blood carbon dioxide level below normal unless    ventilatory failure occurs. Two methods of demonstrating    that asthmatic subjects hyperventilate on the thought of    asthma were employed. 1. Chronic asthmatic subjects had    their respiratory minute volume measured during    relaxation and at the recall of an asthmatic attack. The    mean minute volume rose from 10.1 litres when relaxed to    13.5 litres when recalling an asthmatic attack (p < .025).    2. Asthmatic volunteers had their respiratory minute    volume measured during relaxation and on the hypnotic    suggestion of anger, fright and asthma and pleasurable    excitement, both in the conscious state and under hypnosis.    The data were statistically treated by an analysis of    variance. All emotion resulted in a significant increase    in minute volume at the 0.1 level of significance.    PMID: 7425962, UI: 81038606 7. Compernolle T, Hoogdain K, Joele L, "Diagnosis and treatment of the hyperventilation syndrome", Psychosomatics, VOL 20, 1979, 612-625

][ Psychiatric treatment reference.    Psychosomatics 1979 Sep;20(9):612-25    Diagnosis and treatment of the hyperventilation syndrome.    Compernolle T, Hoogduin K, Joele L    PMID: 493485, UI: 80035476 8. Demeter SL, Cordasco EM, "Hyperventilation syndrome and asthma", The American Journal of Medicine, VOL 81, December 1986, 989-994

][ According to abstract psychiatric and bronchodilator treatment will ][ eliminate hyperventilation syndrome.    Am J Med 1986 Dec;81(6):989-94    Hyperventilation syndrome and asthma.    Demeter SL, Cordasco EM    Hyperventilation syndrome is a common and often disabling condition.    Traditional treatment consists of reassurance and anxiolytic drugs.    Hyperventilation is known to precipitate an asthmatic reaction.    A retrospective review of patients with hyperventilation syndrome    was performed to ascertain the frequency of asthma as well as the    response to bronchodilator medication. Forty-seven patients were seen.    Thirty-eight were tested, and asthma was proved in 36. Two additional    patients had positive clinical responses with bronchodilators. Thus,    asthma was identified in 38 of 47 consecutive patients seen for    hyperventilation syndrome (80 percent), and asthma was proved in 36    of 38 of patients tested (95 percent). Hyperventilation syndrome was    eliminated in 29 of 35 patients (90 percent) treated with a    combination of explanation and bronchodilator treatment.    PMID: 3541595, UI: 87097315 10. Folgering H, Colla P, "Some anomalies in the control of PaCO2 in patients with hyperventilation syndrome", Bull Ear Physiopathol Respir, VOL 14, 1978, 503-512

   Bull Eur Physiopathol Respir 1978 Sep-Oct;14(5):503-12    Some anomalies in the control of PACO2 in patients with    a hyperventilation syndrome.    Folgering H, Colla P    PMID: 37954, UI: 79233143 ][ One of the above authors indicates "traditional definition of ][ hyperventilation syndrome" requires "somatic diseases causing ][ hyperventilation should have been excluded"; asthma? Folgering H ][ concludes "therapeutic approach to hyperventilation syndrome has ][ several stages and/or degrees of intervention: psychological ][ counselling, physiotherapy and relaxation, and finally drug therapy." ][ The mentioned "hyperventilation syndrome" in ... read more »

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But if you look at some of the references, particularly Sher,  Demeter and the controversial cardiologist Professor Nixon,   you’ll see that these disorders are all very easy to explain in terms of the hyperventilation model.

I’ll leave the medics to have a go at the physiology…but Nixon was controversial in that after an investigation it was proven that he faked data to try to make it look like his research proved the existence of CHVS…in fact his results did no such thing…he was a FRAUD Peter…he was a con artist who got caught…that is not subject to controversy, that is now accepted scientific and legal fact and admitted by Nixon himself…the controversy is about exactly what penalty he should pay for it — eric "live fast, die only if strictly necessary"

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Here is a link to info about the aforementioned Dr. Nixon.  Anyone contemplating the uncritical acceptance of the Chronic Hyperventilation theory espoused by Peter Kolb might choose to read this: http://hcrc.org/news/hyperven.html Also, Peter once again quoted the Brisbane (Australia) trials as vindication of the Buteyko method. This was a flawed study that leaked treatment information to the participants and thereby lost the blinding (and reliability) of the trial. Here is a discussion pertaining to that: http://asthma.miningco.com/health/asthma/library/weekly/aa100697.htm

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I’ve apparently only gotten the tail ends of some of the threads on hyperventilation so please forgive my ignorance.  What exactly is this condition people refer to as "chronic hyperventilation syndrome?" What is supposed to cause it?  It sounds a bit nutty to me but perhaps I’m missing something.

CHVS is a mythical ‘ailment’ invented by people who want to seperate you from your money.

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Most doctors simply make the assumption that nothing ever goes wrong with this mechanism.  So they never chec

I think that you have made the wrong assumption concerning most Doctor’s never check the carbon dioxide level. My Pulmonary Doctor always has the carbon dioxide level checked when he checks my blood. I would think that most Pulmonary Doctor’s do in spite of your opinion.

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http://www.rph.wa.gov.au/patient/index.html But if you look at some of the references, particularly Sher, Demeter and the controversial cardiologist Professor Nixon In a court of law you don’t have to prove that there is any merit in your theory.  You just have to prove that you’re treating according to contemporary medical wisdom and Nixon evidently wasn’t.

see peter lie I’ll make sure I drop Nixon from my reference list in future.

lie peter lie http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/doctors.htm Updated 13 January 2000 References: 1. Nixon PGF, "Hyperventilation and cardiac symptoms", Internal Medicine, VOL 10:12, December 1989, 67-84 This is the classic dilemma of the pioneer in medicine.  Yet in spite of these obstacles medicine keeps chaning.   In fact, it’s because of people like Nixon, Marshall, Warren….  that medicine continues to improve.

see peter hide facts Newsgroups: alt.support.asthma.buteyko British Medical Journal BMJ 1997;314:1501 (24 May) Cardiologist admits research misconduct Clare Dyer, legal correspondent, BMJ A

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BBC News Tuesday, 6 March, 2001 Allergy hope for asthmatic children Simple measures to reduce exposure to a range of allergy triggers and pollutants could cut the number of asthmatic children by almost 40%, says research. The US scientists believe that more than 500,000 children under the age of six in that country would not have developed the disease if they lived in "allergen-free" houses. They suggest a shortlist of potential triggers that could be removed by families where there is a history of asthma. These include pets such as dogs or cats, gas cookers and cigarette smoke. All of these are believed to increase the chances of a child who is genetically predisposed to asthma developing the disease, which can prove disabling, or even fatal in a very few cases. If all three were eliminated, say the team from the Children’s Hospital Medical Center of Cincinnati, the number of asthma cases would be reduced by 39% . Dr Bruce Lanphear, who led the study, looked at 8,257 children younger than six. He said: "Children who had a history of allergies to a pet were 24 times more likely to have doctor-diagnosed asthma. Pet rescue "Parents need to consider carefully the risks and benefits of owning a pet, particularly during early childhood and especially if there is a maternal history of an allergic condition. "Residential exposures account for more excess cases of childhood asthma than having a parent with a history of atopy (the predisposition to develop allergy)." He added: "These and other data demonstrate that children’s health is inextricably linked with housing." Impracticalities highlighted However, Professor Ashley Woodcock, a professor of Respiratory Medicine at the North West Lung Centre in Manchester, said it was impractical to eliminate all these allergens from the home. He said: "I’m a dog lover myself, and I know how much they become part of the family. "However, parents who have a child with asthma should consider having their child allergy-tested for the pet, and if they are allergic, consider getting rid of the pet. "And certainly smoking near a child with asthma is tantamount to child abuse." The research is published in the journal Pediatrics.

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In myexperience spaying of a cat increases the quantity of cat hair loss ie far more cat hairs collect on furniture and carpets wherever the cat goes From Fliveya

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In myexperience spaying of a cat increases the quantity of cat hair loss ie far more cat hairs collect on furniture and carpets wherever the cat goes From Fliveya

Which makes no difference since the allergy is to an enzyme in the skin oils and saliva – not the fur. There is no ‘Army of One’ in the word: ‘Team’

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But the presence of the fallen fur can physically inhibit breathing by making a patient feel claustrophobic  probably making the allergy worse

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But the presence of the fallen fur can physically inhibit breathing by making a patient feel claustrophobic  probably making the allergy worse

Go away. You are a troll.  Nobody can be this stupid by accident. There is no ‘Army of One’ in the word: ‘Team’

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But the presence of the fallen fur can physically inhibit breathing by making a patient feel claustrophobic  probably making the allergy worse

What’s that word?  Oh, right, "Ploink!"

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You have obviosly never ever suffered with daily picking upof cat fur have you ???  you seem obsessed with scrolling down to the base of your communications on this board and making rude remarks  well that may have been someone of the surname Campbell  Personally id do no tlike Campblells soups  so that makes me even more inclined to dislike and distrust your communications    Please excuse me if the rude remarks were made by others  I have many health problems  but try to trat myself as a whole and probably treatment will include deleting your asthma board from my set of favourite places and maybe Scotland also  From Fliveya

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hahahaha – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You have obviosly never ever suffered with daily picking upof cat fur have you ???  you seem obsessed with scrolling down to the base of your communications on this board and making rude remarks  well that may have been someone of the surname Campbell  Personally id do no tlike Campblells soups  so that makes me even more inclined to dislike and distrust your communications    Please excuse me if the rude remarks were made by others  I have many health problems but try to trat myself as a whole and probably treatment will include deleting your asthma board from my set of favourite places and maybe Scotland also  From Fliveya

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Australian Broadcasting Corporation Radio National with Norman Swan Helicobacter pylori Monday 11 October 1999 Summary: Recently published results of a trial to get rid of the ulcer germ Helicobacter pylori in people who had non ulcer dyspepsia. Norman Swan: OK then, there’s your first chance to test drive some of these ideas. The guinea pig is Nick Talley, who’s Professor of Medicine at the University of Sydney at Nepean. He and his colleagues have published a paper in this week’s edition of the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine. It reports the results of a trial to get rid of the ulcer germ Helicobacter pylori in people who had what’s called ‘non ulcer dyspepsia.’ Nick Talley: It’s a symptom complex where people have pain or discomfort and that can include nausea or belching sometimes, bloating, fullness. And they’ve had these symptoms usually chronically for a long time, and they’re troubled by them. And these symptoms are not explained by a peptic ulcer or any other obvious structural cause when specific testing is done. Norman Swan: And it’s quite common, isn’t it? Nick Talley: It’s pretty common. It probably affects about 20% of Australians all told, if you look at the figures from epidemiological studies, and it’s the same actually all over the world. Norman Swan: Now why blame H pylori, this ulcer bug, when I thought that really nobody knew what the cause of non-ulcer dyspepsia was? Nick Talley: Well nobody really knows what the cause is, but we know that perhaps somewhere from one in five to one in two people with non-ulcer dyspepsia actually have this bug, and in fact with this bug, have inflammation in their stomach. And I guess the issue then is does the bug cause the symptoms in at least those people who have the infection. That’s certainly been a question that has vexed investigators and patients for a long time now. Norman Swan: So what did you do in the study? Nick Talley: In the study, we randomised patients to either triple therapy, which is standard antibiotics plus an acid suppression drug for a period of 14 days, or placebo, which is a dummy preparation with no active component. And then we looked at a year later whether we’d relieved the symptoms in people who had received these treatments. The goal was to see whether curing the infection would cure the dyspepsia, cure the pain or discomfort in the stomach area. Norman Swan: So I suppose the first question to ask before we find out about the symptoms is whether or not you managed to cure the infection in the people who had it. Nick Talley: We certainly cured the vast majority. Sure, there were a few people around about 10%, who failed the treatment standards, but we cured the vast majority with the antibiotic treatment. And so that approach certainly was effective in curing the infection. But curing the symptoms is a different story. Norman Swan: You didn’t have success there? Nick Talley: Unfortunately no; it depends on what you define as success. If you look at the result it’s about one in five actually got complete symptom relief with the antibiotic treatment. But unfortunately one in five on the placebo preparation also got complete relief. Norman Swan: So there is no difference between the two. What then is the recommendation? Nick Talley: Well, it’s very difficult. If you find the infection, detect the infection with various tests that we have available, my belief is you need to discuss with each individual the pros and cons of treating the infection. I mean the pros are you can prevent peptic ulcer in some people with non-ulcer dyspepsia, and we know that about 5% at least of patients with non-ulcer dyspepsia go on to get an ulcer. So that’s a lot in a sense, and treating the infection can help prevent this. Norman Swan: So if you know you’ve got it, and you do nothing, there’s a small chance you could go on to have an ulcer? Nick Talley: Correct, and that’s one of the reasons I personally believe treating the infection is of value in non-ulcer dyspepsia, even though it doesn’t relieve the symptoms. But there are cons too: you can have reactions to the treatment, and they can be serious very occasionally, and that’s certainly an issue that patients need to know about. And also there are some people who believe you may precipitate other health problems if you get rid of the bacteria in large numbers of people. For example there have been suspicions that some people might develop reflux disease if they have the infection treated. Now is only a suspicion, it’s not really established, but certainly it’s a concern and that concern remains to be solved. Norman Swan: And I suppose the threshold question is that should the doctor do the diagnostic test for H pylori in the first place? Nick Talley: Well my view is if you don’t wish to treat the infection, if you find it, then don’t do the test. But if you do do the test, before you do it, you need to discuss with the patient again the advantages and disadvantages of treating the infection. Because if they’ve got it, in most cases you’ll end up treating it anyway, at least in clinical practice. Norman Swan: What’s left then for treating non-ulcer dyspepsia, this bloated feeling? Nick Talley: Well if you’ve got pain as your major problem, some people really just complain of epigastric stomach-type pain. Norman Swan: Epigastric being the top of the abdomen there, just below the rib-cage. Nick Talley: Correct. If they complain of that as the main symptom, then acid suppression treatments can be helpful, and I think that should be first line treatment in that group who have established non-ulcer dyspepsia. If on the other hand it’s a bloated feeling or a discomfort or a fullness, then drugs that speed up stomach emptying, they also can be helpful in at least some people with the problem. And then there are some really exciting new approaches being developed for non-ulcer dyspepsia. For example, there is a new approach for people who can’t eat a normal meal, who feel full soon after they eat a normal meal, and in that sub-group of people there’s evidence that their stomach doesn’t relax properly; the top part of their stomach fails to relax. And some drugs, for example the anti-migraine drug sumatriptan that seems to be potentially useful in that sub-group. It remains to be established in large trials, but it looks very promising from the small studies that are available now. So there are some new approaches, but still it’s a difficult problem to treat for some people. Norman Swan: And who should go on to have an endoscopy, or a look inside? Nick Talley: Well I think people who present for the first time in middle age, over the age of 50, I think they should have an endoscopy, just to make sure there’s not some serious disease there. And obviously people who have alarm features, symptoms like weight loss, or difficulty swallowing, or recurrent vomiting, if you have those kinds of symptoms, then I believe you should have an endoscopy to check out you don’t have something more serious. But again, most people who are investigated with this, will not have a serious problem found. Norman Swan: Professor Nick Talley. Reference: Talley N.J. et al. Absence of benefit of eradicating Helicobacter pylori in patients with non-ulcer dyspepsia. New England Journal of Medicine 1999;341:1106-1111. Norman Swan: Well, did that answer the five questions for you? Guests: Dr. Nick Talley Professor of Medicine University of Sydney, Gastroenterologist, Nepean Hospital, Penrith NSW 2750

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Australian Broadcasting Corporation Radio National with Norman Swan Paracetamol and Asthma Monday 27 March 2000 Summary: Recent research has found that the more people use paracetamol the greater the incidence of asthma and its severity. Norman Swan: Welcome to the program. Today, how some people with asthma might be able to help their headaches and their wheezing at the same time. And speaking of the lungs, why is it that a high proportion of women who smoke are able to give up cigarettes for the duration of their pregnancy, get beyond all the withdrawal symptoms, yet go back to it after the baby’s born? It seems that these women can’t win. Whether their partners smoke or not, they’re not too helpful. Plus, treating genes to treat ovarian cancer. Research just published has found that the more people use paracetamol, the greater the instance of asthma and its severity. The work was done by a team in London, and included Dr Seif Shaheen. Thanks for your time today Seif, tonight, your time. Now the question is why paracetamol? A very different drug from aspirin which is known to be dangerous for some people with asthma. Seif Shaheen: That’s correct. It’s been known for a while that in a minority of asthmatic patients, aspirin and related anti-inflammatory painkillers such as Ibuprofen can cause sensitivity reactions, manifested as asthma attacks. So asthma patients are generally advised to avoid those painkillers. And the associations we found with frequent paracetamol use really are new. Norman Swan: And why did you head that way? What made you think that paracetamol could be a problem. It’s nothing like aspirin. Seif Shaheen: We were carrying out a large study of diet and asthma in south London, really focusing on the possible role of antioxidants in asthma. There’s a belief that antioxidants in the lung may protect the lung against damaging pollutants in the air and help to dampen down asthma inflammation in the airways. And that was the focus of the study. But we did set out to look for possible associations with paracetamol use, because of work that has been done in the past in animal experiments, which have shown that paracetamol can deplete the lung in animals, of an important antioxidant found in the ways, called glutathione So we were setting out to look for this association as part of our broader study of diet and asthma. Norman Swan: But it’s pretty hard to study, since everybody takes a couple of paracetamol from time to time. Seif Shaheen: Well they do. We asked about frequency of use, and in fact there was a wide variation. But about 20% of our asthmatic adults in our survey reported that they were using paracetamol on a daily or weekly basis, and 5%, one in 20, were saying that they used it every day. And it was with daily and weekly use that we found this quite strong association with asthma symptoms and with more severe symptoms in people who already had asthma. Norman Swan: Now is it an association, or is it cause and effect? Seif Shaheen: It’s an association, and it’s important to emphasise that the nature of our study design cannot allow us to really say that one is causing the other. There are a number of different possible interpretations. Norman Swan: Let me tease out just exactly what the association is. Is it between whether or not you’re an asthmatic, or how severe your asthma is, and just go into some detail about how much paracetamol? Seif Shaheen: It’s both. So what we found was that people who reported taking daily or weekly paracetamol, particularly daily paracetamol, were more likely to report asthma symptoms than were people who never used it. And if you just then looked within the people who had asthma symptoms, we found that again, frequent use, daily and weekly use, was associated with more severe symptoms. Norman Swan: And why were they taking the paracetamol, because that could be more important than the paracetamol itself? Seif Shaheen: That’s a good question, and we were surprised to find that so many people were taking it so frequently. So what we did is, we actually went back and we sent another questionnaire to the frequent users of paracetamol, asking them exactly that question: what were the indications for their frequent use? By far and away the commonest reason was for headache, followed by migraine and muscular and skeletal aches and pains. And that’s in keeping with other surveys of analgesic use. Headache is by far and away the commonest reason why people take painkillers in the general population. Norman Swan: It’s almost as if you’ve uncovered a chronic pain population here, if they’re taking paracetamol on a daily basis for headaches. Seif Shaheen: Well yes, other surveys have shown that perhaps some people use analgesics, painkillers, excessively, and there is quite a well-recognised syndrome of, I’m sure you know, that in people who are troubled by headaches, that if they use analgesics too much, that can actually make the headaches worse, and they get into a vicious cycle. So our feeling is that if some of these very frequent daily users of this painkiller, paracetamol, are able to cut down, then this may be beneficial for their asthma. Norman Swan: And it might help their headaches too, paradoxically? Seif Shaheen: It might do, yes. Norman Swan: And what was the increased risk of asthma or severe asthma? Seif Shaheen: We found that compared with never-users, people who weren’t taking paracetamol at all, that weekly users were 80% more likely to report asthma symptoms. Daily users were more than twice as likely as never-users, to report having asthma symptoms. Norman Swan: And will you be able to get a linear story here, with the asthmatic before they started the paracetamol? Seif Shaheen: It’s difficult. Our survey was really a snapshot picture. We were looking at one point time, at asthmatic and non-asthmatic adults, and asking them what do they usually use in terms of their painkillers. It’s not possible for us to know how long they’d had their asthma for, and whether long-term analgesic use had preceded the development of asthma in the first place. We just couldn’t do that in our survey. Norman Swan: Asthma is part of a trilogy of conditions called atopic, that’s allergic rhinitis, hay fever, and eczema. Did you find any associated with those two other conditions? Seif Shaheen: We didn’t ask about eczema. One of the problems in adults we find, is that unlike in children where eczema, as you rightly say, is usually an allergic disease, in adults the term ‘eczema’ is often misunderstood, and it’s difficult to identify true allergic eczema because a lot of adults have contact dermatitis, to do with the use of jewellery and things. So that’s a more difficult condition to pick up in adults just by asking them a question. But we did ask about rhinitis. In other words, hay fever like symptoms, or rhinitis symptoms related to house dust mite, and we found a similar association; we found a positive association between frequent use of paracetamol and rhinitis, even in adults who did not have asthma. Norman Swan: How does this boil down to advice for people with asthma, because they’ve already been warned, or they should have been warned by their doctor to avoid aspirin-like drugs and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs because they could bring on an asthma attack for different reasons. If they’re on panadol or paracetamol I should say, because of that advice, really, what do they do? Seif Shaheen: Well I can understand that they may feel confused, and I think there’s two important messages that I would want to communicate to them. Firstly, they are right, if they have asthma, to carry on avoiding aspirin and other related anti-inflammatory analgesics such as Ibuprofen Because of the potential risk, albeit in a minority of asthma patients, of quite severe sensitivity reactions which manifests as severe asthma attacks, it is possible that some asthma patients may have been tested for this sensitivity, so they may know already that in fact aspirin is safe to take, but as general advice, we would still emphasise that asthma patients should not take aspirin, or Ibuprofen type drugs. If they are frequent users of paracetamol, particularly if they’re taking it on a daily basis, we would advise them if possible to see whether they can cut down on that use, because it is possible that their asthma symptoms might improve as a result of that. Norman Swan: Thank you very much, Dr Shaheen for joining us on The Health Report. Seif Shaheen: My pleasure. Norman Swan: Dr Seif Shaheen is a Clinical Epidemiologist in the Department of Public Health Sciences at King’s College and St Thomas’ School of Medicine in London. Reference: Shaheen S et al. Frequent paracetamol use and asthma in adults. Thorax 2000;55:266-270 Guests: Dr. Seif Shaheen Clinical Epidemiologist, Department of Public Health Sciences, Kings College and St. Thomas’s School of Medicine, London, U.K.

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Creation of smarter mice could lead to drugs for human brain disorders By JEFF BARNARD September 1, 1999 Scientists have engineered gene that produces more intelligent mice, a research breakthrough that that could lead to human babies with higher IQs and drugs to treat Alzheimer’s disease and stroke. Inserting an extra gene, researchers produced a strain of mice – nicknamed "doogies" – that excelled in a range of tasks such as recognizing a Lego piece they’d encountered before, learning the location of a hidden underwater platform and recognizing cues that they were about to receive a mild shock. The improved learning and memory came from increased production of a brain protein called NR2B. The mice carried the enhanced abilities into adulthood, when learning ability and memory naturally taper off, and passed their heightened learning abilities on to their offspring. "This points to the possibility that enhancement of learning and memory or even IQ is feasible through genetic means, through genetic engineering," said Joe Z. Tsien, the assistant professor of molecular biology at Princeton University who led the research team. The findings, published in Thursday’s issue of Nature, indicate that a common mechanism lies at the root of all learning and identifies the protein NR2B as a key to brain function. The study could lead to a drug to treat memory disorders, such as Alzheimer’s, by increasing NR2B levels, Tsien added. Production of NR2B protein normally decreases with age, correlating with the loss of memory and learning ability commonly experienced by older people, Tsien said. The new work on mice represents a breakthrough in understanding how the brain functions at the molecular level, said Robert Malenka, a psychiatrist and behavioral sciences specialist at Stanford University School of Medicine. "To jump from this very elegant molecular work in a mouse model to humans is a very, very big jump," said Malenka, who was not involved in the research. "Nevertheless, it is a jump we can make and will make eventually. When we jump to humans, it will probably be a lot more complicated." One complication is the risk that any drug that would increase NR2B levels could also increase the risk of stroke, because both stroke and learning are related to the same neurological switches in the brain, Malenka added. Ron McKay of the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke said drug companies are already investigating manipulation of NR2B levels to treat strokes. Any research that illuminates how NR2B works in the brain would be valuable in that work, he said. The prospect of genetically engineering smarter babies raises big ethical questions. "What we are looking at is the baby steps toward a world in which we can design our descendants," said Arthur Caplan, director of the Center for Bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania Health System. "I don’t think that is necessarily bad. Finding ways to repair autism or mental retardation associated with Down syndrome or Alzheimer’s or other disabling neurological diseases is a very good thing." Because of the inherent risks, it makes more sense ethically to begin applying this discovery to treating diseases and disorders, rather than trying to create smarter babies, Caplan added. "I wouldn’t say I would be worried quite yet about seeing hordes of tiny Einsteins in my neighborhood," he said. But just as parents strive to improve their children by sending them to better schools or giving them piano lessons, there will be those who want to genetically enhance their offspring, said Caplan. As in other areas of life, the rich would have an advantage. "We already have a brain gap in this society when some children go to kindergartens that cost $15,000 a year and other children go to kindergartens that don’t have adequate plumbing," he said. Tsien nicknamed the smart mice "Doogie" after the teenage genius in the television show "Doogie Howser, M.D." Using a tiny glass needle, the scientists injected a gene carrying a blueprint for the protein NR2B into the nucleus of a fertilized mouse egg, then implanted the resulting embryo into the uterus of a mother mouse. Mice born with the extra gene made more NR2B than usual in their brains. That extra production boosted mental abilities by enhancing the function of brain-cell switches called NMDA receptors. The results confirm the idea, proposed in 1949, that these switches play a key role in learning. The NMDA switches require two signals to open, which fits in with the idea that learning involves associating pairs of events or facts, like a tone and an electrical shock. Boosting levels of the NR2B protein kept the mouse NMDA switches open longer than usual. "If you associated food with a bell, a voice with a face, a face with a name, these are all associative learning, the major forms of learning in humans," Tsien said. "To associate those things you require some kind of cellular machinery. "It is so nice to convince ourselves that we are working in the right machinery." 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Law                       NBC 24   1990-91 Doogie Howser, M.D.            ABC 25   1990-91 Grand                          NBC Sixteen-year-old Dr. Douglas "Doogie" Howser is a resident at Eastman Medical Center in Los Angeles, having conquered high school in nine weeks, graduated from Princeton at the age of 10 and from medical school at 14. The boy genius is a sweetly earnest and accomplished doctor, but he has a lot to learn about life and the emotional and psychological health of his patients and fellow physicians. In this gentle comedy of a boy’s unique journey to manhood, each episode ends with Doogie reflecting on the day’s "lesson" by typing into his electronic diary, his computer. Doogie’s demanding father, also a doctor, and his mother help him maintain an even balance, although they are sometimes as confused as he is by his dual child-man role. Medical associates, often lacking empathy for their inexperienced colleague, keep him on his toes. Doogie’s not-so-bright buddy, Vinnie, is his link with the teen world and, in later episodes, becomes his roommate in an "odd couple" apartment. Making its cable TV premiere, "Doogie Howser, M.D." is the creation of Steven Bochco, better known as the executive producer of harshly realistic police dramas. CAST Doogie Howser: Neil Patrick Harris Dr. David Howser: James B. 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BBC World Service Plants of Power Experts disscuss how different cultures throughout history have used mind altering plants for intoxication. Plants of Power: how do they work? http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/health/medicinedrugs/plant_05.ram Which plants are produce the chemical substances that make up all major drugs? And just how do these chemicals affect the body? With Dr Randolph Nesse, Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Michigan and co-author of Evolution and Healing:The New Science of Darwinian Medicine and Ethan Nadelmann, head of the Lindesmith Centre, the Open Society Institute’s drug-policy think-tank in New York City. Plants of Power: when is a plant a drug? http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/health/medicinedrugs/plant_04.ram Is coffee a drug? Is sugar a drug? Which substances do different societies around the world view as drugs? With Andrew Sherratt, from the the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford, co-editor of Consuming Habits: Drugs in History and Anthropology. Edward Behr, author of Prohibition: The Years that Changed America. Animal researcher, Dr Ron Siegel author of Intoxications and Fire in the Brain, Dr Andrew Weil and Jonathan Kingdon.

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BBC News Tuesday, 11 April, 2000 M*A*S*H star Linville dies Actor Larry Linville, best known as the whining surgeon Major Frank Burns in the long-running US TV series M*A*S*H, has died aged 60. Linville, who had a cancerous lung removed in 1998, died at the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Centre in New York, after being admitted suffering from pneumonia. The actor’s long-time manager Larry M Greenberg said: "He was wonderfully refreshing and irreverent but always a very talented and professional guy. He took this cancer thing better than anybody I’ve ever seen." Famous for screen affair Linville, who came from Ojai in California, had been living in New York and is survived by his wife, Deborah. Linville was a original member of the comic drama series M*A*S*H – about a field hospital unit in Korea during the 1950s war – which ran from 1972 to 1983. As Major Burns, he became famous for his affair with head nurse Margaret "Hot Lips" Houlihan, played by Loretta Swit. "My scenes with Loretta were quite extraordinary because we were a team," Linville said in an interview with CBS radio. "We were Mutt and Jeff, Roadrunner and Coyote, whatever, we were a proper pair." Much of the show’s early action revolved around the antics of tent-mates Burns, Hawkeye Pierce – played by Alan Alda – and Trapper John McIntyre – played by Wayne Rogers. Hawkeye and Trappper were the unit’s best doctors and Burns became the foil to their relentless jokes. Cult following Their humour at his expense centred around heaping practical jokes on their hapless colleague, as part of their efforts to keep sane while working close to the front lines. M*A*S*H, which grew out of the movie of the same name, acquired a cult following over its 11 years in production with its irreverent blend of comedy and political commentary. But the show also took on serious topics of war and bloodshed, often seemingly more relevant to the Vietnam War than the conflict in Korea. Linville left M*A*S*H in 1977. He went on to guest star on numerous television series and had roles in Grandpa Goes to Washington, Checking In and Paper Dolls.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – With a little luck this year I maybe selected for an Oryx depredation hunt. In my past 35 years of hunting have hunted mule deer, whitetail deer, moose, elk, caribou, and several versions of bighorn ram not to mention smallgame like feral hog and of course upland bird. Talking with several hunting friends I am confused about how tough this animal is to bring down.  I do understand the differences in the anatomy (i.e. location of the heart/lungs and the spinal cord in the neck).  That aside, some say you need to use .338 Win Mag with a 200+ grain bullet because the hide is so thick, other say to can bring it down with a well placed .243 Win (this would be foolish but). I have been out on the range hunting coyote and quail and happened upon an Oryx.  They show no fear of man, I’ve been able to walk to within 75 yds and all they do is look and turn away.  Since they are not hunted, with the exception of these herd thinning hunts, and the fact that most if not all reside on access controlled military land they show no fear. I have been looking at using either my .280 Rem with a Sierra 160 gr SBT with a MV of about 2600 fps.  However, rumor has it that the local military game management person is allowing only .30 cal and above, I’ve talked to him and pointed out that many would like to use 7mm and he received this with some enthusiasm and he said he would conceder 7mm.  If the 30 cal rule prevails I’ll use my 300 Win Mag with a Sierra 165 gr SBT giving around 2800 fps. From what I’ve gleaned looking at several books on hunting African

antelope.  The Oryx is much tougher than the larger kudu and most writers consider a 7mm at the very bottom of calibers to use and requiring very good shot placement.  However given that,  it should work. Let boys want pleasure, and men Struggle for power, and women perhaps for fame, And the servile to serve a Leader and the dupes          to be duped. Yours is not theirs.                     "Be Angry at the Sun"                       Robinson Jeffers Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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With a little luck this year I maybe selected for an Oryx depredation

hunt. Ok, John, I’ll bite, just what in hell is an Oryx anyway ? Mike , just back from an unsuccessful opening day here in Ohio. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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With a little luck this year I maybe selected for an Oryx depredation hunt. Ok, John, I’ll bite, just what in hell is an Oryx anyway ? Mike , just back from an unsuccessful opening day here in Ohio.

A large African antelope. http://www.awf.org/animals/oryx.html Let boys want pleasure, and men Struggle for power, and women perhaps for fame, And the servile to serve a Leader and the dupes          to be duped. Yours is not theirs.                     "Be Angry at the Sun"                       Robinson Jeffers Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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With a little luck this year I maybe selected for an Oryx depredation hunt. In my past 35 years of hunting have hunted mule deer, whitetail deer, moose, elk, caribou, and several versions of bighorn ram not to mention smallgame like feral hog and of course upland bird. Talking with several hunting friends I am confused about how tough this animal is to bring down.  I do understand the differences in the anatomy (i.e. location of the heart/lungs and the spinal cord in the neck).  That aside, some say you need to use .338 Win Mag with a 200+ grain bullet because the hide is so thick, other say to can bring it down with a well placed .243 Win (this would be foolish but). I have been out on the range hunting coyote and quail and happened upon an Oryx.  They show no fear of man, I’ve been able to walk to within 75 yds and all they do is look and turn away.  Since they are not hunted, with the exception of these herd thinning hunts, and the fact that most if not all reside on access controlled military land they show no fear. I have been looking at using either my .280 Rem with a Sierra 160 gr SBT with a MV of about 2600 fps.  However, rumor has it that the local military game management person is allowing only .30 cal and above, I’ve talked to him and pointed out that many would like to use 7mm and he received this with some enthusiasm and he said he would conceder 7mm.  If the 30 cal rule prevails I’ll use my 300 Win Mag with a Sierra 165 gr SBT giving around 2800 fps. I would appreciate any input on hunting these animals. Thanks Jack SFC, USA (Ret, 1971-1993) Life member NRA (1969) Life member TSRA (1991) Member USPSA (1990) Member NROI (1991) Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Interesting reply from DU in Canada. Quite diplomatic in its avoidance of answering your point blank question. A yes or a no is all it needed. They tell you they were founded by help from hunters, and still use hunters funds, but never say if they are against hunting. They did state they are trying to be Canada’s foremost conservation group. Not all conservation groups are pro- hunting. — Mark Life member NAHC, Endowment Life member NRA Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Several weeks ago I read a post that stated DU Canada was anti hunting.  I didn’t believe this so I went to the DU Canada site and asked them point blank; are you or are you not against hunting.  Below is their answer. Jack —- SFC, USA (Ret, 1971-1993) Life member NRA (1969) Life member TSRA (1991) Member USPSA (1990) Member NROI (1991) http://home.elp.rr.com/jacksrange —- Dear Jack: Thank you for inquiring about Ducks Unlimited’s position on hunting. Ducks Unlimited Canada proudly acknowledges its hunting heritage. We recognize the ethical and sustainable recreational harvest of waterfowl as a legitimate and acceptable use of a renewable resource. It was conservation minded waterfowl hunters who established Ducks Unlimited in Canada more that 60 years ago. Their desire to ensure the long-term success of waterfowl populations defined Ducks Unlimited’s mandate. Continued support from the hunting community, and that from others interested in conserving wildlife habitat, combined with our proven ability to direct resources towards our mission has helped to establish Ducks Unlimited as the country’s most trusted and respected conservation organization. If you have attended a DU event, you will have witnessed how important hunters are to our organization. Even beyond DU, hunters are significant funders and contributors to conservation efforts across North America. We appreciate you bringing your concerns to us and providing us with an opportunity to respond. Unfortunately, every large, successful organization has its detractors. Luckily, there are individuals like you who question what you believe to be incorrect. Most sincerely, Lauralou Cicierski Communications, Ducks Unlimited Canada Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – With a little luck this year I maybe selected for an Oryx depredation hunt. In my past 35 years of hunting have hunted mule deer, whitetail deer, moose, elk, caribou, and several versions of bighorn ram not to mention smallgame like feral hog and of course upland bird. Talking with several hunting friends I am confused about how tough this animal is to bring down.  I do understand the differences in the anatomy (i.e. location of the heart/lungs and the spinal cord in the neck).  That aside, some say you need to use .338 Win Mag with a 200+ grain bullet because the hide is so thick, other say to can bring it down with a well placed .243 Win (this would be foolish but). I have been out on the range hunting coyote and quail and happened upon an Oryx.  They show no fear of man, I’ve been able to walk to within 75 yds and all they do is look and turn away.  Since they are not hunted, with the exception of these herd thinning hunts, and the fact that most if not all reside on access controlled military land they show no fear. I have been looking at using either my .280 Rem with a Sierra 160 gr SBT with a MV of about 2600 fps.  However, rumor has it that the local military game management person is allowing only .30 cal and above, I’ve talked to him and pointed out that many would like to use 7mm and he received this with some enthusiasm and he said he would conceder 7mm.  If the 30 cal rule prevails I’ll use my 300 Win Mag with a Sierra 165 gr SBT giving around 2800 fps. From what I’ve gleaned looking at several books on hunting African

antelope.  The Oryx is much tougher than the larger kudu and most writers consider a 7mm at the very bottom of calibers to use and requiring very good shot placement.  However given that,  it should work. Let boys want pleasure, and men Struggle for power, and women perhaps for fame, And the servile to serve a Leader and the dupes          to be duped. Yours is not theirs.                     "Be Angry at the Sun"                       Robinson Jeffers Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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With a little luck this year I maybe selected for an Oryx depredation

hunt. Ok, John, I’ll bite, just what in hell is an Oryx anyway ? Mike , just back from an unsuccessful opening day here in Ohio. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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With a little luck this year I maybe selected for an Oryx depredation hunt. Ok, John, I’ll bite, just what in hell is an Oryx anyway ? Mike , just back from an unsuccessful opening day here in Ohio.

A large African antelope. http://www.awf.org/animals/oryx.html Let boys want pleasure, and men Struggle for power, and women perhaps for fame, And the servile to serve a Leader and the dupes          to be duped. Yours is not theirs.                     "Be Angry at the Sun"                       Robinson Jeffers Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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With a little luck this year I maybe selected for an Oryx depredation hunt. In my past 35 years of hunting have hunted mule deer, whitetail deer, moose, elk, caribou, and several versions of bighorn ram not to mention smallgame like feral hog and of course upland bird. Talking with several hunting friends I am confused about how tough this animal is to bring down.  I do understand the differences in the anatomy (i.e. location of the heart/lungs and the spinal cord in the neck).  That aside, some say you need to use .338 Win Mag with a 200+ grain bullet because the hide is so thick, other say to can bring it down with a well placed .243 Win (this would be foolish but). I have been out on the range hunting coyote and quail and happened upon an Oryx.  They show no fear of man, I’ve been able to walk to within 75 yds and all they do is look and turn away.  Since they are not hunted, with the exception of these herd thinning hunts, and the fact that most if not all reside on access controlled military land they show no fear. I have been looking at using either my .280 Rem with a Sierra 160 gr SBT with a MV of about 2600 fps.  However, rumor has it that the local military game management person is allowing only .30 cal and above, I’ve talked to him and pointed out that many would like to use 7mm and he received this with some enthusiasm and he said he would conceder 7mm.  If the 30 cal rule prevails I’ll use my 300 Win Mag with a Sierra 165 gr SBT giving around 2800 fps. I would appreciate any input on hunting these animals. Thanks Jack SFC, USA (Ret, 1971-1993) Life member NRA (1969) Life member TSRA (1991) Member USPSA (1990) Member NROI (1991) Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Interesting reply from DU in Canada. Quite diplomatic in its avoidance of answering your point blank question. A yes or a no is all it needed. They tell you they were founded by help from hunters, and still use hunters funds, but never say if they are against hunting. They did state they are trying to be Canada’s foremost conservation group. Not all conservation groups are pro- hunting. — Mark Life member NAHC, Endowment Life member NRA Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Several weeks ago I read a post that stated DU Canada was anti hunting.  I didn’t believe this so I went to the DU Canada site and asked them point blank; are you or are you not against hunting.  Below is their answer. Jack —- SFC, USA (Ret, 1971-1993) Life member NRA (1969) Life member TSRA (1991) Member USPSA (1990) Member NROI (1991) http://home.elp.rr.com/jacksrange —- Dear Jack: Thank you for inquiring about Ducks Unlimited’s position on hunting. Ducks Unlimited Canada proudly acknowledges its hunting heritage. We recognize the ethical and sustainable recreational harvest of waterfowl as a legitimate and acceptable use of a renewable resource. It was conservation minded waterfowl hunters who established Ducks Unlimited in Canada more that 60 years ago. Their desire to ensure the long-term success of waterfowl populations defined Ducks Unlimited’s mandate. Continued support from the hunting community, and that from others interested in conserving wildlife habitat, combined with our proven ability to direct resources towards our mission has helped to establish Ducks Unlimited as the country’s most trusted and respected conservation organization. If you have attended a DU event, you will have witnessed how important hunters are to our organization. Even beyond DU, hunters are significant funders and contributors to conservation efforts across North America. We appreciate you bringing your concerns to us and providing us with an opportunity to respond. Unfortunately, every large, successful organization has its detractors. Luckily, there are individuals like you who question what you believe to be incorrect. Most sincerely, Lauralou Cicierski Communications, Ducks Unlimited Canada Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – With a little luck this year I maybe selected for an Oryx depredation hunt. In my past 35 years of hunting have hunted mule deer, whitetail deer, moose, elk, caribou, and several versions of bighorn ram not to mention smallgame like feral hog and of course upland bird. Talking with several hunting friends I am confused about how tough this animal is to bring down.  I do understand the differences in the anatomy (i.e. location of the heart/lungs and the spinal cord in the neck).  That aside, some say you need to use .338 Win Mag with a 200+ grain bullet because the hide is so thick, other say to can bring it down with a well placed .243 Win (this would be foolish but). I have been out on the range hunting coyote and quail and happened upon an Oryx.  They show no fear of man, I’ve been able to walk to within 75 yds and all they do is look and turn away.  Since they are not hunted, with the exception of these herd thinning hunts, and the fact that most if not all reside on access controlled military land they show no fear. I have been looking at using either my .280 Rem with a Sierra 160 gr SBT with a MV of about 2600 fps.  However, rumor has it that the local military game management person is allowing only .30 cal and above, I’ve talked to him and pointed out that many would like to use 7mm and he received this with some enthusiasm and he said he would conceder 7mm.  If the 30 cal rule prevails I’ll use my 300 Win Mag with a Sierra 165 gr SBT giving around 2800 fps. From what I’ve gleaned looking at several books on hunting African

antelope.  The Oryx is much tougher than the larger kudu and most writers consider a 7mm at the very bottom of calibers to use and requiring very good shot placement.  However given that,  it should work. Let boys want pleasure, and men Struggle for power, and women perhaps for fame, And the servile to serve a Leader and the dupes          to be duped. Yours is not theirs.                     "Be Angry at the Sun"                       Robinson Jeffers Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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With a little luck this year I maybe selected for an Oryx depredation

hunt. Ok, John, I’ll bite, just what in hell is an Oryx anyway ? Mike , just back from an unsuccessful opening day here in Ohio. Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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With a little luck this year I maybe selected for an Oryx depredation hunt. Ok, John, I’ll bite, just what in hell is an Oryx anyway ? Mike , just back from an unsuccessful opening day here in Ohio.

A large African antelope. http://www.awf.org/animals/oryx.html Let boys want pleasure, and men Struggle for power, and women perhaps for fame, And the servile to serve a Leader and the dupes          to be duped. Yours is not theirs.                     "Be Angry at the Sun"                       Robinson Jeffers Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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With a little luck this year I maybe selected for an Oryx depredation hunt. In my past 35 years of hunting have hunted mule deer, whitetail deer, moose, elk, caribou, and several versions of bighorn ram not to mention smallgame like feral hog and of course upland bird. Talking with several hunting friends I am confused about how tough this animal is to bring down.  I do understand the differences in the anatomy (i.e. location of the heart/lungs and the spinal cord in the neck).  That aside, some say you need to use .338 Win Mag with a 200+ grain bullet because the hide is so thick, other say to can bring it down with a well placed .243 Win (this would be foolish but). I have been out on the range hunting coyote and quail and happened upon an Oryx.  They show no fear of man, I’ve been able to walk to within 75 yds and all they do is look and turn away.  Since they are not hunted, with the exception of these herd thinning hunts, and the fact that most if not all reside on access controlled military land they show no fear. I have been looking at using either my .280 Rem with a Sierra 160 gr SBT with a MV of about 2600 fps.  However, rumor has it that the local military game management person is allowing only .30 cal and above, I’ve talked to him and pointed out that many would like to use 7mm and he received this with some enthusiasm and he said he would conceder 7mm.  If the 30 cal rule prevails I’ll use my 300 Win Mag with a Sierra 165 gr SBT giving around 2800 fps. I would appreciate any input on hunting these animals. Thanks Jack SFC, USA (Ret, 1971-1993) Life member NRA (1969) Life member TSRA (1991) Member USPSA (1990) Member NROI (1991) Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Interesting reply from DU in Canada. Quite diplomatic in its avoidance of answering your point blank question. A yes or a no is all it needed. They tell you they were founded by help from hunters, and still use hunters funds, but never say if they are against hunting. They did state they are trying to be Canada’s foremost conservation group. Not all conservation groups are pro- hunting. — Mark Life member NAHC, Endowment Life member NRA Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Several weeks ago I read a post that stated DU Canada was anti hunting.  I didn’t believe this so I went to the DU Canada site and asked them point blank; are you or are you not against hunting.  Below is their answer. Jack —- SFC, USA (Ret, 1971-1993) Life member NRA (1969) Life member TSRA (1991) Member USPSA (1990) Member NROI (1991) http://home.elp.rr.com/jacksrange —- Dear Jack: Thank you for inquiring about Ducks Unlimited’s position on hunting. Ducks Unlimited Canada proudly acknowledges its hunting heritage. We recognize the ethical and sustainable recreational harvest of waterfowl as a legitimate and acceptable use of a renewable resource. It was conservation minded waterfowl hunters who established Ducks Unlimited in Canada more that 60 years ago. Their desire to ensure the long-term success of waterfowl populations defined Ducks Unlimited’s mandate. Continued support from the hunting community, and that from others interested in conserving wildlife habitat, combined with our proven ability to direct resources towards our mission has helped to establish Ducks Unlimited as the country’s most trusted and respected conservation organization. If you have attended a DU event, you will have witnessed how important hunters are to our organization. Even beyond DU, hunters are significant funders and contributors to conservation efforts across North America. We appreciate you bringing your concerns to us and providing us with an opportunity to respond. Unfortunately, every large, successful organization has its detractors. Luckily, there are individuals like you who question what you believe to be incorrect. Most sincerely, Lauralou Cicierski Communications, Ducks Unlimited Canada Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:         http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/

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Bayer slapped by FTC for unsubstantiated claims.

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How great. Something for the "sufferers"?  What do you think this Good News really is? Do you think it costs US$25-45 a month to get relief? Is this a set up for a placebo pitch? Breakdown of a typical scam pitch: Friendly introduction, swell guy, normal name He has something that REALLY works ….because we know how frustrated and helpless you are all feeling. You are a victim and I can help you….. What I offer you is quick and easy….. Love that website name that tells it all …….AGE DEFYING…….   What indeed is really being sold here? Relief from suffering or a fountain of youth. What indeed is really the Problem with menopause after all ….that it symbolizes Aging or that it creates some hot flashes and some insomnia?    He "thinks" we will be impressed with his products. Really? Scram Mike.  Forward this post to ab…@hotmail.com. the FTC and the FDA. J – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mike P wrote in message <387d6d88.13647519@news>… >Hello my name is Mike and I may have found something that REALLY could >help you!!  Please just take one minute to go to >anti-aging.defyaging.com  and got to "Do you suffer from:  MENOPAUSE" >I think you will be impressed with the products! >mike_defyaging@hot

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Hello my name is Mike and I may have found something that REALLY could help you!!  Please just take one minute to go to anti-aging.defyaging.com  and got to "Do you suffer from:  MENOPAUSE" I think you will be impressed with the products! mike_defyag…@hotmail.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:44:36 -0500, ti…@cheerful.com wrote: >Bayer settles aspirin charges with FTC > By Edward Winnick > NEW YORK, Jan 12 (Reuters Health) — The US Federal Trade Commission >(FTC) on Tuesday reached a proposed settlement with Bayer Corporation >regarding allegations that a series of the company’s aspirin >advertisements contained unsubstantiated claims. > According to terms of the settlement, Bayer will launch a $1 million >consumer education campaign intended to inform consumers if aspirin >regimen therapy is proper for them. >For much more see >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000112/hl/lwa_6.html

This fits in with our discussion about healthy women taking supplements such as flaxseed oil to gain healthy benefits. The standard of risk and benefit is higher for healthy individuals not needing treatment. See this quote from the FDA consumer magazine on taking aspirin for heart protection. [ no wonder the FTC is upset at the Bayer ads, but surely the AHA should be faulted too for allowing their logo on the ads.] http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/1999/299_asp.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Not for Everyone >Although aspirin is a familiar and readily available drug, people shouldn’t take it for its cardiovascular benefits without discussing the risks of long-term use with >a doctor, cautions Charles H. Hennekens, M.D., chief of preventive medicine at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston. "If someone feels they’re a >candidate, they should talk to their doctor in making the judgment if the benefits outweigh the risks. " >The same quality that gives aspirin its potential benefit–its ability to inhibit clotting of the blood–may increase the risk of excessive bleeding, including the >possibility of bleeding in the brain. Some other possible risks are: >     Stomach irritation. Aspirin can irritate the stomach lining and cause heartburn, pain, nausea, vomiting, and, over time, more serious consequences such as >     internal bleeding, ulcers, and holes in the stomach or intestines. Chronic alcohol users may be at increased risk of stomach bleeding, as well as liver >     damage, from aspirin use. >     Ringing in the ears. At high doses, aspirin may cause temporary ringing in the ears and hearing loss, which usually disappear when the dose is lowered. >     Allergy. Facial swelling and sometimes an asthma attack may occur in the two out of 1,000 people who are allergic to aspirin, according to the Mayo >     Clinic in Rochester, Minn. >     In children, Reye syndrome. While not a problem among candidates for cardiovascular aspirin use, aspirin should not be used for children’s flu-like >     symptoms or chickenpox because of the risk of this rare but serious disease. >     Because of its risks, aspirin is not approved for decreasing the risk of heart attack in healthy individuals. Even Hennekens isn’t ready to recommend an >     aspirin a day for everyone, although he headed up the celebrated 1988 "Physicians’ Health Study," which showed aspirin’s protective effects in healthy >     people. >     Why can’t this so-called "wonder drug" help everyone? Hennekens’ example: A 30-year-old woman’s risk of a heart attack is typically "very small, " >     even over the next 30 years. "It would be unfortunate if such a young woman was taking aspirin, " he explains, "because it would give no benefit and >     could cause gastrointestinal effects or dangerous bleeding. "

Kind of parallels long term hormone use for healthy women too wouldn’t you say? Kathryn droz…@home.com

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In article <387d6d88.13647519@news>, Mike P <mike_defyag…@hotmail.com> wrote: >Hello my name is Mike and I may have found something that REALLY could >help you!!  Please just take one minute to go to

(scammer.address.com) >and got to "Do you suffer from: MENOPAUSE" >I think you will be impressed with the products!

I think not. Come on, Mike. Dare to be different from the rest of the Internet hucksters: Actually pay some *attention* to Usenet conventions. You know, like the one that goes, "don’t post ads to newsgroups unless they have a charter specifically inviting them." We don’t. Get lost. Oh, and you might want to check out the new FDA site on fraudulent health claims on the Internet http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/1999/699_fraud.html It seems only fair, since they now know about you… –Pat Kight kig…@peak.org

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Bayer settles aspirin charges with FTC  By Edward Winnick  NEW YORK, Jan 12 (Reuters Health) — The US Federal Trade Commission (FTC) on Tuesday reached a proposed settlement with Bayer Corporation regarding allegations that a series of the company’s aspirin advertisements contained unsubstantiated claims.  According to terms of the settlement, Bayer will launch a $1 million consumer education campaign intended to inform consumers if aspirin regimen therapy is proper for them. For much more see http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000112/hl/lwa_6.html

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Drug Shows Promise for Asthma Cases

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A building staffer says typically the air exchanges are less than the recommended number to save money.   http://community.webtv.net/CARRYNATION/ChristmasPoetry

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Atrovent is great at making GERD worse! If breathing gets worse a couple hours after taking it get checked for reflux! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Atropine is one of the first drugs to be used for asthma. It gets mention in an ancient medical book I have (from the 1910’s). Not a great bronchodilator but it has some activity hence the current use of Ipratropium Bromide (Atrovent). —cut—–  Another thing that helps me in flares is the use of atropine pills.  Does anybody else use it in any form?  There is one inhaler that combines it with other medications.  It seems American doctors rarely use atropine, but I’m told it is common in Europe.  I have the medication for another purpose and gradually realized that it could help a flare back down. I haven’t heard of atropine pills used for asthma; atropine has many bad side effects. There is an atropine like inhaler, Atrovent, somtimes used for asthma but more commonly for COPD. It has fewer side effects than atropine pills. There is a combination inhaler, Combivent, that combines Atrovent and albuterol; primarily for COPD. Links: http://www.rxlist.com/scripts/patient/piumore.pl?mononum=270&order=0&… Atropine sulfate pills http://www.rxlist.com/scripts/patient/piusrh.pl?search_string=IPRATRO… Atrovent and Combivent Ellis — Don Elton Columbia, SC http://www.midcarolina.org

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Thanks for helpful response. Another question, is it typical for asthma to be worse in enclosed (tomb-like) buildings with no windows that can be opened?  Half the people in my department have asthma.  However, I seem to have the worst reactions to photocopy machine and printer fumes.

Many older copiers and printers produce ozone.  Ozone is a gas that is so irritating to the respiratory system that there is no level below which there is no effect on an asthmatic.   The EPA has created ‘Indoor Air Quality’ standards which specify the number of air changes per hour and the permissible chemical release from office machines. I think carbon monoxide fumes seep up through the elevators from the four-level underground parking garage under our building.  Newsprint was a terrible problem until our paper changed to a soy-based ink and that helped immensely.

The first suspect I would have is your HVAC system.  Many companies turn down the air handling equipment (reducing the number of air exchanges per hour) in order to save money.  Another money saving trick is to recirculate the air rather than exchange it with fresh air.   This is the first thing I checked back in my hazmat consulting days. And most of the time, fixing this solved the problem.  (When the customer balked at the added heating and cooling costs I simply showed them the price tag for a complete air sampling and monitoring program.) No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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but what are the hidden side effects that follow?

Are you asking us what the unknown side effects are? No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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but what are the hidden side effects that follow?

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I started using Singulair a year ago and it radically improved my existence by curbing many asthma attacks.  So I am anxious to try to the injected drug when it is available.  Another thing that helps me in flares is the use of atropine pills.  Does anybody else use it in any form?  There is one inhaler that combines it with other medications.  It seems American doctors rarely use atropine, but I’m told it is common in Europe.  I have the medication for another purpose and gradually realized that it could help a flare back down. http://community.webtv.net/CARRYNATION/ChristmasPoetry

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—cut—–  Another thing that helps me in flares is the use of atropine pills.  Does anybody else use it in any form?  There is one inhaler that combines it with other medications.  It seems American doctors rarely use atropine, but I’m told it is common in Europe.  I have the medication for another purpose and gradually realized that it could help a flare back down.

I haven’t heard of atropine pills used for asthma; atropine has many bad side effects. There is an atropine like inhaler, Atrovent, somtimes used for asthma but more commonly for COPD. It has fewer side effects than atropine pills. There is a combination inhaler, Combivent, that combines Atrovent and albuterol; primarily for COPD. Links: http://www.rxlist.com/scripts/patient/piumore.pl?mononum=270&order=0&… Atropine sulfate pills http://www.rxlist.com/scripts/patient/piusrh.pl?search_string=IPRATRO… Atrovent and Combivent Ellis

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Atropine is one of the first drugs to be used for asthma. It gets mention in an ancient medical book I have (from the 1910’s). Not a great bronchodilator but it has some activity hence the current use of Ipratropium Bromide (Atrovent). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – —cut—–  Another thing that helps me in flares is the use of atropine pills.  Does anybody else use it in any form?  There is one inhaler that combines it with other medications.  It seems American doctors rarely use atropine, but I’m told it is common in Europe.  I have the medication for another purpose and gradually realized that it could help a flare back down. I haven’t heard of atropine pills used for asthma; atropine has many bad side effects. There is an atropine like inhaler, Atrovent, somtimes used for asthma but more commonly for COPD. It has fewer side effects than atropine pills. There is a combination inhaler, Combivent, that combines Atrovent and albuterol; primarily for COPD. Links: http://www.rxlist.com/scripts/patient/piumore.pl?mononum=270&order=0&… Atropine sulfate pills http://www.rxlist.com/scripts/patient/piusrh.pl?search_string=IPRATRO… Atrovent and Combivent Ellis

– Don Elton Columbia, SC http://www.midcarolina.org

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Thanks for helpful response. Another question, is it typical for asthma to be worse in enclosed (tomb-like) buildings with no windows that can be opened?  Half the people in my department have asthma.  However, I seem to have the worst reactions to photocopy machine and printer fumes. I think carbon monoxide fumes seep up through the elevators from the four-level underground parking garage under our building.  Newsprint was a terrible problem until our paper changed to a soy-based ink and that helped immensely.  In other words, in addition to nature’s triggers, there are these workplace triggers that keep one vigilant on two fronts. I’m wondering if that is becoming more common since buildings were enclosed.  And is there anything in particular that helps protect asthmatics from workplace chemical assaults. http://community.webtv.net/CARRYNATION/ChristmasPoetry

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A tight building can cause more problems for people with lung diseases since various fumes even from just the furniture don’t get circulated out as well. The engineering people for the building should be able to give an idea of the fresh air exchange rate if asked though. Carbon Monoxide isn’t much of a factor for asthma per se since it’s colorless and odorless though other products of combustion can cause problems for asthmatics. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for helpful response. Another question, is it typical for asthma to be worse in enclosed (tomb-like) buildings with no windows that can be opened?  Half the people in my department have asthma.  However, I seem to have the worst reactions to photocopy machine and printer fumes. I think carbon monoxide fumes seep up through the elevators from the four-level underground parking garage under our building.  Newsprint was a terrible problem until our paper changed to a soy-based ink and that helped immensely.  In other words, in addition to nature’s triggers, there are these workplace triggers that keep one vigilant on two fronts. I’m wondering if that is becoming more common since buildings were enclosed.  And is there anything in particular that helps protect asthmatics from workplace chemical assaults. http://community.webtv.net/CARRYNATION/ChristmasPoetry

– Don Elton Columbia, SC http://www.midcarolina.org

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Drug Shows Promise for Asthma Cases .c The Associated Press  By LINDA A. JOHNSON An experimental, genetically engineered asthma drug could offer sufferers an entirely new treatment without the dangerous side effects of steroids, the standard medication for many patients, researchers say. In a study published in Thursday’s New England Journal of Medicine, about one quarter of the asthma patients on inhaled steroids were able to stop taking them after being given the new drug, rhuMAb-E25. And one-third of those using oral steroids were able to quit, too. “It’s going to be a breakthrough,” said the lead researcher, pediatric asthma specialist Dr. Henry Milgrom of the National Jewish Medical and Research Center in Denver. “The new drugs such as this one are intended to be the magic bullet against asthma.” Steroids have been widely used to treat moderate to severe asthma for the past decade. But long-term use stunts children’s growth. In adults, steroids can cause osteoporosis, stomach bleeding, elevated blood pressure and blood sugar, cataracts and weight gain. RhuMAb-E25 is an intravenous drug made by splicing a tiny segment of a cloned mouse gene into a human antibody. After further testing, the three companies developing it – Genentech, Novartis Pharma AG and Tanox – hope to seek Food and Drug Administration approval for sale in about six months. Genentech funded the study. Despite the numerous drugs available, many patients don’t control their asthma well. The condition kills 5,500 Americans annually, is the ninth-leading cause of hospitalization and prompts 10 million doctor visits each year. About 17 million Americans have asthma, an astonishing increase of more than 75 percent since 1980. In an asthma attack, hypersensitive airways narrow drastically when exposed to an allergen, such as cigarette smoke, pet dander, pollen, feathers and mites. A type of antibody called IgE prompts immune cells to release histamines in a misguided attempt to neutralize the allergens. Instead, the histamines inflame and further narrow the airways. Exercise and breathing cold air also can trigger attacks. Symptoms include shortness of breath, wheezing and coughing. Steroids reduce the airway inflammation. Over time, the drugs lower sensitivity to those allergens, reducing the incidence of asthma attacks. RhuMAb-E25 works in a different way: It binds up more than 95 percent of the IgE, blocking release of much of the histamine, said another researcher, Dr. W. James Metzger of East Carolina University. “This is not a cure, but it reduces the allergic reaction” dramatically, Metzger said. Over a 12-week period, 317 patients with moderate to severe asthma were injected every two weeks with either a high dose of the drug, a low dose or a placebo. Over the next eight weeks, they were slowly taken off steroids. About half those getting either drug dose cut their use of inhaled steroids at least 50 percent, compared with 38 percent of the placebo group. Eighteen percent of the high-dose group and 23 percent of the low-dose group stopped using inhaled steroids entirely, compared with 12 percent in the placebo group. Of the 35 patients also taking oral steroids, at least one-third getting either drug dose stopped taking the steroids, compared with 17 percent in the placebo group. About two-thirds of those getting rhuMAb-E25 cut oral steroid use. Patients getting either drug dose also reported fewer asthma symptoms and fewer limits on their activities. The researchers believe the patients in the placebo group improved because they had twice-monthly doctor exams and frequent instruction on sticking to their treatment plan. In an editorial in the journal, Dr. Peter J. Barnes of Britain’s National Heart and Lung Institute called the drug an “important step forward” that might also control hay fever and other allergies. He said further research may show that less-frequent injections or under-the-skin injections that patients could give themselves work as well as intravenous shots. Singulair, a pill approved last year, also prevents asthma attacks and helps cut reliance on steroids. It works by blocking leukotrienes, substances in lung tissue that contribute to inflammation. AP-NY-12-22-99 1700EST Sheldon On a recent Night Court rerun, Judge Harry Stone had a wonderful line: "I try to keep an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out."

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Intal & Salbutamol

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Thanks for all that people. It’s reassuring to find this isn’t uncommon. I’m building up info from books and the web, and I’m going to make a point of this to the practice manager. The more I find out, the more dangerous and bloody stupid the advice looks. Very annoying especially when I think my baby son may go through this same BS. When I signed on at this practice, even the nurse (who does a basic height/weight check only) found it necessary to dispense her advice about not using Intal. This NG has encouraged me to take my asthma & this medical advice episode into my own hands. I feel better already… Cheers, Andy BTW I’m on std Intal, I’ll look into the Compound variety – thanks

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writes: Perhaps you need to have your nostrils checked for large chunks of cynicism. Neither of us intended that AK not keep adjusting dosages as needed, and my comment had absolutely nothing to do with the original theme of the strand. I was just trying to insert a little humor (and sarcasm) into a conversation that can have a tendency to go toward the depressing tones.

Sarcasm confers mean-spiritedness and evil intent, never good natured humour. sar*cas*tic (adjective) First appeared 1695  1 : having the character of sarcasm <~ criticism  2 : given to the use of sarcasm : CAUSTIC <a ~ critic  – sar*cas*ti*cal*ly (adverb)  synonym SARCASTIC, SATIRIC, IRONIC, SARDONIC mean marked by bitterness and a power or will to cut or sting. SARCASTIC implies an intentional inflicting of pain by deriding, taunting, or ridiculing <a critic famous mainly for his sarcastic remarks. SATIRIC implies that the intent of the ridiculing is censure and reprobation <a satiric look at contemporary sexual mores. IRONIC implies an attempt to be amusing or provocative by saying usu. the opposite of what is meant <made the ironic observation that the government could always be trusted. SARDONIC implies scorn, mockery, or derision that is manifested by either verbal or facial expression <surveyed the scene with a sardonic smile.                          —— Next time you feel like being humourous try affecting a *facetious* posture. fa*ce*tious (adjective) [Middle French facetieux, from facetie jest, from Latin facetia] First appeared 1599  1 : joking or jesting often inappropriately : WAGGISH <just being ~  2 : meant to be humorous or funny : not serious <a ~ remark  synonym see WITTY  – fa*ce*tious*ly (adverb)  – fa*ce*tious*ness (noun) Sheldon On a recent Night Court rerun, Judge Harry Stone had a wonderful line: "I try to keep an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out."

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Perhaps you need to have your nostrils checked for large chunks of cynicism. Neither of us intended that AK not keep adjusting dosages as needed, and my comment had absolutely nothing to do with the original theme of the strand. I was just trying to insert a little humor (and sarcasm) into a conversation that can have a tendency to go toward the depressing tones.  If I offended, my apologies.  My 11-month old has juvenile asthma and is on Intal 4x per day with 0.25 mL concentrated albuterol and his symptoms are still in flux. My wife and I have fought with at least three different doctors on dosage issues in the last week alone.  I know what it is like to receive conflicting and contradictory instructions.  Of course, these doctors are all "consummate" professionals who are absolutely right (what’s funny about the situation is that two of the three are in the same pediatric group). I hope this explains the comments. <snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The 1st doctor deserves a dirty old SpinHaler rammed up each nostril for that kind of lame advice – reliever-only treatment plans went out with the Ark. The 2nd doctor needs a damn good shake – the "if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it" attitude is also a bad one. My dosages weren’t adjusted for nearly eight years, and it wasn’t until my 5th change of doctor (I’ve moved around a bit) before anyone noticed ! Make sure your condition is reviewed on a regular basis – you may be surprised what a change in treatment plan can achieve if you find a good doctor ! Chris (an ex-Intal user !)

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Are you using the normal Intal, or the stronger "Compound" ? The latter certainly isn’t what I’d call a child’s medication – my grandfather was on that stuff right up to the day he died, and it kept has asthma under reasonable control !

From what I can remember from my Intal days of youth, "Intal Compound" has an additional ingredient, isoprenaline, which I think acts as a broncho- dilator. Jo.

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writes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello all, I’m aged 36 & I’ve been taking Intal (sodium cromoglycate) since I was about eight. I take it 4 times a day. I also have a Salbutamol inhaler I carry around for attacks of breathlessness. Now I’m being told Intal is intended for children & exercise-induced asthma. The doc told me to stop taking it, and use Salbutamol 4 times daily instead, & take a hayfever remedy when I need that (every day in the English summer). My problem is my asthma is mostly allergy-induced (pollen & dust mites) & Intal relieves this allergy well. I also read somewhere I should come off Intal gradually. Another doc previously told me Intal was fine, & I should use it as often as I like. I’m very fed up with conflicting medical advice, and confused now! Any thoughts greatly appreciated –

Are you using the normal Intal, or the stronger "Compound" ? The latter certainly isn’t what I’d call a child’s medication – my grandfather was on that stuff right up to the day he died, and it kept has asthma under reasonable control ! The 1st doctor deserves a dirty old SpinHaler rammed up each nostril for that kind of lame advice – reliever-only treatment plans went out with the Ark. The 2nd doctor needs a damn good shake – the "if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it" attitude is also a bad one. My dosages weren’t adjusted for nearly eight years, and it wasn’t until my 5th change of doctor (I’ve moved around a bit) before anyone noticed ! Make sure your condition is reviewed on a regular basis – you may be surprised what a change in treatment plan can achieve if you find a good doctor ! Chris (an ex-Intal user !) — Chris King                    | Information provided here should NOT be used http://www.csking.demon.co.uk | practitioner.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes Hello all, I’m aged 36 & I’ve been taking Intal (sodium cromoglycate) since I was about eight. I take it 4 times a day. I also have a Salbutamol inhaler I carry around for attacks of breathlessness. Now I’m being told Intal is intended for children & exercise-induced asthma. The doc told me to stop taking it, and use Salbutamol 4 times daily instead, & take a hayfever remedy when I need that (every day in the English summer). My problem is my asthma is mostly allergy-induced (pollen & dust mites) & Intal relieves this allergy well. I also read somewhere I should come off Intal gradually. Another doc previously told me Intal was fine, & I should use it as often as I like. I’m very fed up with conflicting medical advice, and confused now! Any thoughts greatly appreciated – Are you using the normal Intal, or the stronger "Compound" ? The latter certainly isn’t what I’d call a child’s medication – my grandfather was on that stuff right up to the day he died, and it kept has asthma under reasonable control ! The 1st doctor deserves a dirty old SpinHaler rammed up each nostril for that kind of lame advice – reliever-only treatment plans went out with the Ark. The 2nd doctor needs a damn good shake – the "if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it" attitude is also a bad one. My dosages weren’t adjusted for nearly eight years, and it wasn’t until my 5th change of doctor (I’ve moved around a bit) before anyone noticed ! Make sure your condition is reviewed on a regular basis – you may be surprised what a change in treatment plan can achieve if you find a good doctor !

So very true!  I found that many doctors haven’t a CLUE how to treat asthma. I changed family doctors three times until I found this one.  I’d drive 1/2 way across the country to see him if I had to.  He’s fantastic.  He’s better than any of the three pulmonary specialists I’ve seen.  He also doesn’t make you wait for ages in the waiting or exam rooms.  Last time I was there, he was delayed with another patient and he stuck his head in the door to my room to explain and apologize.   He recently was voted one of the top five young doctors in our state, elected president of our county medical association, and everyone in the hospital snaps ‘to’ when they hear his name.  And he’s only been out of med school about six or seven years! Chris (an ex-Intal user !) — Chris King                    | Information provided here should NOT be used http://www.csking.demon.co.uk | practitioner.

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Hello all, I’m aged 36 & I’ve been taking Intal (sodium cromoglycate) since I was about eight. I take it 4 times a day. I also have a Salbutamol inhaler I carry around for attacks of breathlessness. Now I’m being told Intal is intended for children & exercise-induced asthma. The doc told me to stop taking it, and use Salbutamol 4 times daily instead, & take a hayfever remedy when I need that (every day in the English summer). My problem is my asthma is mostly allergy-induced (pollen & dust mites) & Intal relieves this allergy well. I also read somewhere I should come off Intal gradually.

IMHO that doc is an airhead. I’m 31 and I use Intal and it works great. If he wants you to stop Intal, he’d better give you some kind of inhaled steroid or you’re going to end up with damaged lungs. Salbutamol only relieves the symptoms of an asthma attack, but does not treat the actual inflammation. Intal and steroids control the inflammation. Also, remember the first principle of engineering: If it works, don’t fritz with it… Annette

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Hello all, I’m aged 36 & I’ve been taking Intal (sodium cromoglycate) since I was about eight. I take it 4 times a day. I also have a Salbutamol inhaler I carry around for attacks of breathlessness. Now I’m being told Intal is intended for children & exercise-induced asthma. The doc told me to stop taking it, and use Salbutamol 4 times daily instead, & take a hayfever remedy when I need that (every day in the English summer). My problem is my asthma is mostly allergy-induced (pollen & dust mites) & Intal relieves this allergy well. I also read somewhere I should come off Intal gradually. Another doc previously told me Intal was fine, & I should use it as often as I like. I’m very fed up with conflicting medical advice, and confused now! Any thoughts greatly appreciated – Andy

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NATURAL ALTERNATIVE FOR ADHD

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He’s a first-round draft choice for the NBA  and a Metropolitan Opera search winner, too. And King of the Prom. Christie–turn off your caps lock and turn on your brain. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I HAVE A TWELVE YEAR-OLD SON WHO HAS BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH ADHD AND ODD. I DID NOT WANT TO PLACE HIM ON ANY MEDICATIONS FOR THIS SO I DID RESEARCH AND FOUND A COMPANY WITH NATURAL SUPPLEMENTS THAT WOULD HELP HIM. I READ THE DOCUMENTS CONCERNING TESTS GIVEN BY M.D.S ON CHILDREN WITH THESE DIAGNOSES. IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO READ THE DOCUMENTS, I WILL SEND IT VIA EMAIL. THESE PRODUCTS NOT ONLY HELPED IN CONTROLLING HIS SYMPTOMS OF ADHD AND ODD, BUT HE HAS NOT HAD AN ASTHMA ATTACK SINCE ON THESE PRODUCTS. HIS ALLERGIES HAVE BEEN NIL ALSO!! PLEASE EMAIL ME FOR MORE DETAILS! He also grew 2 feet in height in 3 days, grew back a missing arm and grew a new set of teeth. SINCERELY CHRISTINE Ah the joys of Mannatech. Ever wonder why they never simply post the info?

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He’s a first-round draft choice for the NBA  and a Metropolitan Opera search winner, too. And King of the Prom. Christie–turn off your caps lock and turn on your brain.

Too late, if they were capable of that they wouldn’t be shilling for that crap.

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NATURAL ALTERNATIVE FOR ADHD

Please send me the information you have on the alternative way to treat ADD. My nephew has it and has been tried on various prescription meds.  His mom is interested in trying some "natural" remedies.

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NATURAL ALTERNATIVE FOR ADHD Please send me the information you have on the alternative way to treat ADD. My nephew has it and has been tried on various prescription meds.  His mom is interested in trying some "natural" remedies.

Try an enema. —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—

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I HAVE A TWELVE YEAR-OLD SON WHO HAS BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH ADHD AND ODD. I DID NOT WANT TO PLACE HIM ON ANY MEDICATIONS FOR THIS SO I DID RESEARCH AND FOUND A COMPANY WITH NATURAL SUPPLEMENTS THAT WOULD HELP HIM. I READ THE DOCUMENTS CONCERNING TESTS GIVEN BY M.D.S ON CHILDREN WITH THESE DIAGNOSES. IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO READ THE DOCUMENTS, I WILL SEND IT VIA EMAIL. THESE PRODUCTS NOT ONLY HELPED IN CONTROLLING HIS SYMPTOMS OF ADHD AND ODD, BUT HE HAS NOT HAD AN ASTHMA ATTACK SINCE ON THESE PRODUCTS. HIS ALLERGIES HAVE BEEN NIL ALSO!! PLEASE EMAIL ME FOR MORE DETAILS! SINCERELY CHRISTINE — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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THESE PRODUCTS NOT ONLY HELPED IN CONTROLLING HIS SYMPTOMS OF ADHD AND ODD, BUT HE HAS NOT HAD AN ASTHMA ATTACK SINCE ON THESE PRODUCTS. HIS ALLERGIES HAVE BEEN NIL ALSO!! PLEASE EMAIL ME FOR MORE DETAILS!

Yes, but did his acne clear up, too? Lee

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I HAVE A TWELVE YEAR-OLD SON WHO HAS BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH ADHD AND ODD. I DID NOT WANT TO PLACE HIM ON ANY MEDICATIONS FOR THIS SO I DID RESEARCH AND FOUND A COMPANY WITH NATURAL SUPPLEMENTS THAT WOULD HELP HIM. I READ THE DOCUMENTS CONCERNING TESTS GIVEN BY M.D.S ON CHILDREN WITH THESE DIAGNOSES. IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO READ THE DOCUMENTS, I WILL SEND IT VIA EMAIL. THESE PRODUCTS NOT ONLY HELPED IN CONTROLLING HIS SYMPTOMS OF ADHD AND ODD, BUT HE HAS NOT HAD AN ASTHMA ATTACK SINCE ON THESE PRODUCTS. HIS ALLERGIES HAVE BEEN NIL ALSO!! PLEASE EMAIL ME FOR MORE DETAILS!

He also grew 2 feet in height in 3 days, grew back a missing arm and grew a new set of teeth. SINCERELY CHRISTINE

Ah the joys of Mannatech. Ever wonder why they never simply post the info?

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Which way should I go?

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Hi! I’ve been lurking in the newsgroup for a week or so…  I’ve gotten a lot of good information reading the posts, especially from the ‘regulars’ here.  :-) I am a little confused about which I should do.  Here’s a little background info:  I am a newlywed (married a year ago October).  My husband and I own a computer company (year coming up next month).  He works full time outside of our business and I work full time in our business.  We have one income (his–I don’t take a pay from the business yet–still have growing pains).  We moved to a new city just after the wedding, bought a house.  We do not have any children or pets.  My husband has *SEVERE* allergies and asthma.  Most staple foods, he is allergic to–if he eats something he’s allergic to he gets a severe asthma attack.  (staple foods including milk, most oils, some veggies and fruit, etc).  We’ve trekked to the ER about a dozen times since our marriage.  We owe over 10,000.00 to the IRS from 1997 (yes, and 1998 is coming up to file soon). So things are a *little* more stressful than I was used to pre-marriage.  I thought I was handling OK.  I mean I love my husband, I love having a business, I love our house, I love where we moved to, I’ve made many friends….  The allergy thing is a little hard to get used to, have to watch *EVERY ITEM* I cook now…  But it’s been a year, I’ve tackled it for the most part….  But I don’t feel right and can’t figure out what it is. I have headaches constantly, I feel soooo tired and listless almost everyday.  I can’t get out of bed, I have digestion problems (ew).  I went to the dr. thinking maybe I had a deficiency, diabetes (runs in the fam) or a thyroid problem.  I had blood drawn, my iron level was fine, i’m not diabetic, my thyroid is functioning properly, etc…  Doc asked me if I had any "blue or sad" feelings.  At the time I didn’t (but the physical symptoms are now making me blue and sad) so I said no.  I took a stress management class, it helps me relax when stress gets up there, but I still feel so crappy all the time. I’m not sure what else to do.  Should I consider seeing a therapist, or should I find another doctor?  I can’t tell now if it’s a physical or emotional problem?  I thought maybe the new stresses in my life were wearing me down and giving me a slight depression (so I thought I would do some research on it–which is what brought me here). These may be questions I have to ask a therapist, but if anyone has any opinions–can stress cause depression?  I really really don’t know much about depression.  I’ve never had any traumatic experiences (except some ridicule from an aunt regarding my weight–I posted earlier about that in response to someone else).  What do I look for or do when I call a therapist?  I wouldn’t even know what to tell them?  Do I say what I said here? Thanks!! –roseanne :-) — http://www.spectrum-computers.com http://www.webcreations-va.com Affordable Hardware, Networking, Web Hosting and Design From the Desk of Toto:  Hated Oz, Took the Shoes, Went Home!!

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Hi! I’ve been lurking in the newsgroup for a week or so…  I’ve gotten a lot of good information reading the posts, especially from the ‘regulars’ here.  :-)

Hi, glad you chose to de-lurk and join us. Welcome to the group. By what you have shared here with us I woud recommend that you talk to your family doctor about these symptoms you are having. This would be a very good start and let him decide from there what your best plan of attack should be to overcoming or handling these difficult times you are having. Please keep us updated as to what you decide and how you are. Mary Beth posted and emailed

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Well it sound to me like you just have some stress. Relax a little…even though you have conqured all of these changesin the past year, you have conquered ALOT…Sometimes the physical part of the stress hits you when the stress has died down a bit. If you are sleeping alot i would say its cause your body needs it. It is telling you. And eat soft foods for now…soup, etc…easy digestable foods. I wouldn’t go therapy hunting just yet…You seem to be a very strong woman…..just listen to your body and give it what it wants for now…maybe a weeks relaxation or vacation????   Just my opinion, ML217

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posted & emailed Thanks for your response…  :-)  (comments below) We have one income (his–I don’t take a pay from the business yet–still have growing pains). To me this would be a cource of a particular type of stress. I mean, you two have a business; why does he only have an income. I think that in a relationship it is important for you to have your own money even if it is not much money.

The business isn’t making enough money for me to take a pay just yet.  You may have a point and I may not be realizing it…  but I would think it would be the other way around.  We have a joint checking and savings to which I have the checkbook and atm card.  I do the bills and the grocery shopping.  His is the income, but he doesn’t have total control over the accounts.  I just wanted to clarify. Stress accompanied by a lack of power and autonomy– now that to me is negative stress. In your post I see you having to worry about your husband’s diet and the expense that goes with that, but not having control over  money. Pressure and lack of control: toxic.

Again, possible!  I don’t know much about analizing my stress (perhaps why I was considering seeing a therapist?).  But I really don’t know.  I maybe preassured and have a lack of control and don’t know it, but it doesn’t feel that way.  I do feel a certain lack of control over how our money gets divided up amongst the bills and living expenses… but I am pretty much in control over the money we do have.  Or so it feels. Pressure…I’m not sure of.  Pressure from other people…no.  Pressure from some of my stresses…  possible. I realize that’s one item I have zeroed in on & there is a lot more to your post. But if this rings a bell…. ?

I guess I was more trying to figure out if my physical symptoms were from emotional or physical problems.  If this applies to me, it seems emotional.  I really don’t know much about it.  I know how I feel and how I don’t want to feel–I just can’t figure out what type of doctor can help me.  :-) Thanks again!! –roseanne :) — http://www.spectrum-computers.com http://www.webcreations-va.com Affordable Hardware, Networking, Web Hosting and Design From the Desk of Toto:  Hated Oz, Took the Shoes, Went Home!!

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Who know 'Buteyko'method?

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You don’t say how old your daughter is.  Many children ‘grow out’ of asthma though it can come back later in life.  Maybe this is what has helped your daughter, rather than the Buteyko.

She’s now 17, and although it would be a remarkable coincidence from a point of view of timing we certainly can’t prove that she didn’t just "grow out of it." Years earlier, after a couple of years with asthma she had appeared to do just that, with symptoms becoming less severe over a few months and diminishing to zero but to her disappointment it returned with a vengeance after nearly a year’s absence; the doctors then said she’d likely have it for life after that, although "you never know." What we found interesting was that her very last asthma attack was "squelched" using the breathing alone, instead of Bricanyl; then the week she started Buteyko breathing as a daily exercise her Control Pause measurably increased and the asthma symptoms disappeared as it increased.  Can’t prove cause and effect, but if it is a coincidence, it’s a beauty. It was a few symptom-free months later the doctor suggested we slowly reduce Serevent, and several symptom-free months later he suggested we slowly reduce Pulmicorte. She maintained her breathing exercises through this period and her CP continued to increase. Now she just does the exercises occasionally to keep the CP up there; if she forgets for a few weeks, her CP starts creeping down. stevej – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… Hi, everyone, I am medical doctor in Korea. Someday ago I found ‘Buteyko’s respiration method’ for asthmatic patients. Who know this method detail? I this method is as effective as article, I will use this method to my asthmatic patients. Waiting for good informations. NOT a good method of treating asthma.  Go to nih.nlm.gov and do a search on asthma to get the latest research. Chris Owens Our experience with Buteyko is not in accord with your opinion. My daughter is now 22 months free of asthma symptoms and 12 months off all medication (with her doctor’s approval) since starting (and continuing) Buteyko. Her quality of life is dramatically better than when her asthma was officially considered "under control" with daily Pulmicorte, daily Serevent, and as-needed Bricanyl, and her doctors remain delighted with her progress. stevej Surfer! URL: http://www.nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk Hopeful anti-spam: alter double ‘w’ to single ‘w’ to view site & send Email.

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You don’t say how old your daughter is.  Many children ‘grow out’ of asthma though it can come back later in life.  Maybe this is what has helped your daughter, rather than the Buteyko. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… Hi, everyone, I am medical doctor in Korea. Someday ago I found ‘Buteyko’s respiration method’ for asthmatic patients. Who know this method detail? I this method is as effective as article, I will use this method to my asthmatic patients. Waiting for good informations. NOT a good method of treating asthma.  Go to nih.nlm.gov and do a search on asthma to get the latest research. Chris Owens Our experience with Buteyko is not in accord with your opinion. My daughter is now 22 months free of asthma symptoms and 12 months off all medication (with her doctor’s approval) since starting (and continuing) Buteyko. Her quality of life is dramatically better than when her asthma was officially considered "under control" with daily Pulmicorte, daily Serevent, and as-needed Bricanyl, and her doctors remain delighted with her progress. stevej

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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, everyone, I am medical doctor in Korea. Someday ago I found ‘Buteyko’s respiration method’ for asthmatic patients. Who know this method detail? I this method is as effective as article, I will use this method to my asthmatic patients. Waiting for good informations. NOT a good method of treating asthma.  Go to nih.nlm.gov and do a search on asthma to get the latest research. Chris Owens

Our experience with Buteyko is not in accord with your opinion. My daughter is now 22 months free of asthma symptoms and 12 months off all medication (with her doctor’s approval) since starting (and continuing) Buteyko. Her quality of life is dramatically better than when her asthma was officially considered "under control" with daily Pulmicorte, daily Serevent, and as-needed Bricanyl, and her doctors remain delighted with her progress. stevej

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Sorry Chris but I have to disagree.  I have suffered with asthma for over 40 years and have tried a variety of orthodox medicines without a great deal of success.  In fact, I have reason to believe that they have made my condition worse, owing to the ‘remodelling’ of my lungs.

How can you feel that the real medical treatments caused airways remodeling?  This is somewhat hard to understand since current medical treatment attempts to prevent this. Airways remodeling is caused by untreated airways inflammation.  If your current favorite treatment does not have any proven anti inflationary effects (and BTW, Buteyko has _no_ proven effects) you are increasing your risk of further remodeling. For information go to FREE BUTEYKO ASTHMA INFORMATION WEB SITE CREATED BY             GRATEFUL  EX-ASTHMATICS….

As long as you are aware that some of the information on this site is misleading.  I personally wouldn’t trust anything on this site until they provide a more balanced discussion, stop making claims that they cannot support, and remove the misleading ’scientific references.’ If you are going to support a medical treatment you had better be prepared to provide the whole truth.  Any medical treatment whose supporters are not willing to provide the whole truth is suspect.

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Chris Owens wrote about Buteyko NOT a good method of treating asthma.  Go to nih.nlm.gov and do a search on asthma to get the latest research.

Sorry Chris but I have to disagree.  I have suffered with asthma for over 40 years and have tried a variety of orthodox medicines without a great deal of success.  In fact, I have reason to believe that they have made my condition worse, owing to the ‘remodelling’ of my lungs. Like you I was very sceptical about the claims for Buteyko, but decided to give it a try.  I was very pleasantly suprised by the results.  After starting the exercises, I came off all medicines completely for several weeks and even now a few months later I only need the occasional puff.  It has not cured my COPD, nothing will, but I can heartly recommend it to others who are looking for an alternative method to control their asthma, which puts them more in control than relying on puffers. For information go to FREE BUTEYKO ASTHMA INFORMATION WEB SITE CREATED BY              GRATEFUL  EX-ASTHMATICS…. http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm Brian Fellows

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Hi, everyone, I am medical doctor in Korea. Someday ago I found ‘Buteyko’s respiration method’ for asthmatic patients. Who know this method detail? I this method is as effective as article, I will use this method to my asthmatic patients. Waiting for good informations.

NOT a good method of treating asthma.  Go to nih.nlm.gov and do a search on asthma to get the latest research. Chris Owens

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Sorry I missed a bit off the address: Should read    Look at http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko and the section says Get Started Now. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, The section called ‘Getting started’ gives outlines of the technique. Plus there is lots of other info. Janet Hi, everyone, I am medical doctor in Korea. Someday ago I found ‘Buteyko’s respiration method’ for asthmatic patients. Who know this method detail? I this method is as effective as article, I will use this method to my asthmatic patients. Waiting for good informations. John H Jeong,

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Hi, Look at http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb The section called ‘Getting started’ gives outlines of the technique. Plus there is lots of other info. Janet – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, everyone, I am medical doctor in Korea. Someday ago I found ‘Buteyko’s respiration method’ for asthmatic patients. Who know this method detail? I this method is as effective as article, I will use this method to my asthmatic patients. Waiting for good informations. John H Jeong,

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Hi, everyone, I am medical doctor in Korea. Someday ago I found ‘Buteyko’s respiration method’ for asthmatic patients. Who know this method detail? I this method is as effective as article, I will use this method to my asthmatic patients. Waiting for good informations. John H Jeong,

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