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WHY YOU HAVE ASTHMA AND HOW TO FIX IT The reason you have asthma is because, through one or other chronic stress, you have habituated to breathing too much.   You have lost too much valuable carbon dioxide and now your whole biochemical system is out of balance. To fix it you have to habituate to breathing less.  This will help you retain the right amount of carbon dioxide your body needs to function correctly…. not too much…. not too little.  Your asthma will go away when you have done this. These support groups are dominated by a few self-appointed experts who have been strutting the stage of these news groups for years.  They don’t like anyone telling them they’ve been wrong and that there is a simple answer to asthma.   If you want to know more, please see our 100% commercial free web site where you cannot spend any money.  It is full of scientific and lay explanations about the basis of asthma. Why has this site been running for the last 7 years?  Well, I had a child who had asthma.   He used to wake us up twice a night with his coughing.  We’d stick him on the nebulizer at 2.00 in the morning and then again at 4.00.  He could never breathe through his nose.  His asthma disappeared completely within a few months of starting the Buteyko course for learning to breathe less. Nobody’s child needs to have asthma.  You don’t need to continue to let him suffer.   When you get to our site, look out for the link to the free down load of  James Hooper’s children’s chapter.  James Hooper is an experienced Buteyko practitioner whose love for children has led him to providing the chapter for children from his DIY/self help book for free. Have a very happy Christmas and New-Year, everybody. Peter Kolb BSc(Eng) MSc(Med) CPEng(Biomed) BIOMEDICAL ENGINEER Free information provided by grateful ex-asthmatics     http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm

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WHY YOU HAVE ASTHMA AND HOW TO FIX IT

why you have no sodding idea and how to fix it you are wrong…every time you have posted this garbage it has been followed up by expert and well researched refutations pointing out the contradictions, inaccuracies and outright falsehoods in it…fix it by sodding off and getting a bloody life that doesn’t involve spamming a support newsgroup with fallacious and dangerous garbage have a happy bloody Christmas, and an alt.support.asthma free new year — eric www.ericjarvis.co.uk "I am a man of many parts, unfortunately most of them are no longer in stock"

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Eric, You have to admit that you are wasting your time. I know I was wasting my time when I answered his posts. No "proof" is good enough for him – he ignores every new discovery. Because his kid got better, he thinks it is the "answer" to everyone’s asthma. Hey, my kid got better doing nothing. Perhaps I should propose that as the "answer" to asthma. Well, good try anyway.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – WHY YOU HAVE ASTHMA AND HOW TO FIX IT why you have no sodding idea and how to fix it you are wrong…every time you have posted this garbage it has been followed up by expert and well researched refutations pointing out the contradictions, inaccuracies and outright falsehoods in it…fix it by sodding off and getting a bloody life that doesn’t involve spamming a support newsgroup with fallacious and dangerous garbage have a happy bloody Christmas, and an alt.support.asthma free new year — eric www.ericjarvis.co.uk "I am a man of many parts, unfortunately most of them are no longer in stock"

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WHY YOU HAVE ASTHMA AND HOW TO FIX IT The reason you have asthma is because, through one or other chronic stress, you have habituated to breathing too much.   You have lost too much valuable carbon dioxide and now your whole biochemical system is out of balance.

Ignore peter, he’s been breathing too much.

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Some years ago I got flamed to hell and back for suggesting that some asthmatics were not ill at all – since then I have realized that North Americans do not really "do" irony: well not in the British sense anyway. Having been an asthmatic for nearly 5 decades now, I know a bit about asthma (sarcasm). A few years back the family went to visit some friends in their "new" house. It smelt of mould and was very dusty. Copious amounts of Ventolin and Becotide made the visit bearable for me. However on the drive home, our eldest son showed signs of going into Bronchial Spasm. He was undoubtedly having an asthmatic episode (his first ever). They kept him in hospital for a week, and sent him home with a bag of meds to take regularly and told to get repeats from our family doctor. He was told that he was asthmatic, and that he would have to take these meds for life. After a week at home I could clearly see he was not "asthmatic". So I irresponsibly (sarcasm) took it upon my self to tell him to stop taking the meds. He was fine. Since then one a year or so when he has a heavy "chest cold" he bums a couple of puffs of my Ventolin. Did I "cure" him? Moral of the story: Take 100 "asthmatics" tell them to stop taking their meds (DON’T TRY THIS AT HOME KIDS) ask them to turn round three times, shout Geronimo twice (no disrespect to NA’s intended) then spit! I would bet "a pound to a pinch of snuff" that this procedure would have cured at least one of them. Pete

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Eric, You have to admit that you are wasting your time. I know I was wasting my time when I answered his posts. No "proof" is good enough for him – he ignores every new discovery. Because his kid got better, he thinks it is the "answer" to everyone’s asthma. Hey, my kid got better doing nothing. Perhaps I should propose that as the "answer" to asthma. Well, good try anyway. WHY YOU HAVE ASTHMA AND HOW TO FIX IT why you have no sodding idea and how to fix it you are wrong…every time you have posted this garbage it has been followed up by expert and well researched refutations pointing out the contradictions, inaccuracies and outright falsehoods in it…fix it by sodding off and getting a bloody life that doesn’t involve spamming a support newsgroup with fallacious and dangerous garbage have a happy bloody Christmas, and an alt.support.asthma free new year — eric www.ericjarvis.co.uk "I am a man of many parts, unfortunately most of them are no longer in stock"

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Pete, I am curious. My daughter was only in the hospital a couple of times, but often had problems with asthma for a period of 4 years – then  it suddenly disappeared. I was wondering if your son showed a low O2 by pulse ox and that was why he was hospitalized for a week and if you ever were by the house that caused the problems after that; and furthermore, if he had another reaction. I have been told that there are respiratory conditions that can go on for years and self resolve. Some docs call that Reactive Airway Disease here, but clearly it isn’t well understood. After awhile though (years), they expect that you won’t self resolve and move you to an asthma diagnosis. There is in her case a genetic component (if you believe in that), and it could be that she isn’t better as I hope. But it is surely wonderful to think that your kids may  not have to go through the consequences of this disease. Joy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some years ago I got flamed to hell and back for suggesting that some asthmatics were not ill at all – since then I have realized that North Americans do not really "do" irony: well not in the British sense anyway. Having been an asthmatic for nearly 5 decades now, I know a bit about asthma (sarcasm). A few years back the family went to visit some friends in their "new" house. It smelt of mould and was very dusty. Copious amounts of Ventolin and Becotide made the visit bearable for me. However on the drive home, our eldest son showed signs of going into Bronchial Spasm. He was undoubtedly having an asthmatic episode (his first ever). They kept him in hospital for a week, and sent him home with a bag of meds to take regularly and told to get repeats from our family doctor. He was told that he was asthmatic, and that he would have to take these meds for life. After a week at home I could clearly see he was not "asthmatic". So I irresponsibly (sarcasm) took it upon my self to tell him to stop taking the meds. He was fine. Since then one a year or so when he has a heavy "chest cold" he bums a couple of puffs of my Ventolin. Did I "cure" him? Moral of the story: Take 100 "asthmatics" tell them to stop taking their meds (DON’T TRY THIS AT HOME KIDS) ask them to turn round three times, shout Geronimo twice (no disrespect to NA’s intended) then spit! I would bet "a pound to a pinch of snuff" that this procedure would have cured at least one of them. Pete Eric, You have to admit that you are wasting your time. I know I was wasting my time when I answered his posts. No "proof" is good enough for him – he ignores every new discovery. Because his kid got better, he thinks it is the "answer" to everyone’s asthma. Hey, my kid got better doing nothing. Perhaps I should propose that as the "answer" to asthma. Well, good try anyway. WHY YOU HAVE ASTHMA AND HOW TO FIX IT why you have no sodding idea and how to fix it you are wrong…every time you have posted this garbage it has been followed up by expert and well researched refutations pointing out the contradictions, inaccuracies and outright falsehoods in it…fix it by sodding off and getting a bloody life that doesn’t involve spamming a support newsgroup with fallacious and dangerous garbage have a happy bloody Christmas, and an alt.support.asthma free new year — eric www.ericjarvis.co.uk "I am a man of many parts, unfortunately most of them are no longer in stock"

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WHY YOU HAVE ASTHMA AND HOW TO FIX IT The reason you have asthma is because, through one or other chronic stress, you have habituated to breathing too much.   You have lost too much valuable carbon dioxide and now your whole biochemical system is out of balance.

This theory was discarded back when it was first presented.  Since then there have been great leaps in our understanding of what asthma is and how it works. One of the key indicators of a crackpot theory is that it is not discarded or modified to take into account new discoveries.  Since B theory has never accepted any of the new understandings that have come in the last 40 years – we have a crackpot theory here. Now go back to your little newsgroup. — "What Sept. 11 did was remind us that there are times when we must fight for our country, that, indeed, there are things – our liberty, our democracy, our belief in human rights and human dignity – worth fighting for." Newsday.com editorial – 27 May 2002

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See http://www.geocities.com/buteykobreathingasia/statement.html Inter alia Dr. Buteyko warns that: "The Buteyko Method appears misleadingly simple to practice. However, there is a specific training on how to apply this method to each individual patient. If this is done incorrectly there could be severe complications and damaging effects on a patient’s health." "I categorically state that it is exceedingly dangerous for patients to be instructed in the Buteyko Method through the medium of video, audio tapes, books, instructions and manuals." This means that the method is likely to lead to dangers to health if simply done on instructions via a "support group" on the Internet. In any case, even if you were to attempt tackling asthma with anti-hyperventilation exercises, breath holding would be the worst approach. There are much more effective and easier modalities, for example the RESPeRATE biofeedback device (although it is not recommended by the makers for asthma treatment). It is stated to act via the sympathetic nervous system, not by changing carbon dioxide levels. See your doc before investing any time and money on this approach (with the more effective methods) on asthma. "Resperate Lowers Blood Pressure-NEWS   Newsgroups: sci.med.cardiology To Lower Blood Pressure, Take a Breather  Washington Post Tuesday, July 30, 2002 "Breathing deeply and exhaling slowly can do wonders for your health, by opening up tiny blood and taking pressure off the heart. But filling the lungs in a heart-healthy way is surprisingly difficult. A person who tries too hard to breathe deeply and slowly is liable to tense up rather than relax the cardiovascular system. "Most people can’t do [focused deep breathing]. It’s very, very difficult" to learn, said Henry Black, chairman of preventive medicine at Rush-Presbyterian Medical Center in Chicago. Enter RESPeRATE, a $299 breathing coach. Approved by the Food and Drug Administration this month for sale without a  prescription, the unit monitors a user’s breaths and helps slow them. InterCure, the device’s maker, says its sales efforts will target people with hypertension who haven’t yet reached a safe blood pressure. The makers of the device state: "It is built upon scientific evidence that shows that breathing exercises, when performed routinely, can lower blood pressure. The device analyzes a patient’s breathing and then interactively guides the patient through a series of monitored exercises. As these breathing "exercises" virtually impossible to perform without continuous individualized coaching, and RESPeRATE provides this coaching…" So the point is that, apart from Dr. Buteyko’s specific warning, it seems extremely unlikely that breath holds would be an effective way of changing breathing habits. They produce too much stress. My present conviction on improving my breathing pattern is to breathe so that the exhale is dwelt upon and is experienced as the part that makes breathing worthwhile, instead of the act of inhaling. Just get used to the idea that a prolonged exhale is doing you good. But, as I say, this all speculative and may not have any real relevance for asthma. However for anyone toying with the idea of being unfaithful to the present paradigm that medication is fundamentally superior to exercises, the ongoing work on SIMT of the prominent asthma specialist Paltiel Weiner should be considered. Regards and good health, Richard Friedel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – WHY YOU HAVE ASTHMA AND HOW TO FIX IT The reason you have asthma is because, through one or other chronic stress, you have habituated to breathing too much.   You have lost too much valuable carbon dioxide and now your whole biochemical system is out of balance. To fix it you have to habituate to breathing less.  This will help you retain the right amount of carbon dioxide your body needs to function correctly…. not too much…. not too little.  Your asthma will go away when you have done this. These support groups are dominated by a few self-appointed experts who have been strutting the stage of these news groups for years.  They don’t like anyone telling them they’ve been wrong and that there is a simple answer to asthma. If you want to know more, please see our 100% commercial free web site where you cannot spend any money.  It is full of scientific and lay explanations about the basis of asthma. Why has this site been running for the last 7 years?  Well, I had a child who had asthma.   He used to wake us up twice a night with his coughing.  We’d stick him on the nebulizer at 2.00 in the morning and then again at 4.00.  He could never breathe through his nose.  His asthma disappeared completely within a few months of starting the Buteyko course for learning to breathe less. Nobody’s child needs to have asthma.  You don’t need to continue to let him suffer. When you get to our site, look out for the link to the free down load of  James Hooper’s children’s chapter.  James Hooper is an experienced Buteyko practitioner whose love for children has led him to providing the chapter for children from his DIY/self help book for free. Have a very happy Christmas and New-Year, everybody. Peter Kolb BSc(Eng) MSc(Med) CPEng(Biomed) BIOMEDICAL ENGINEER Free information provided by grateful ex-asthmatics     http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm

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Hi Joy, It’s probably still a good idea to say something anytime they post if only to warn any newbies that stumble across it. Why I have asthma… I’m breathing too much… what a crock… I guess that’s why I’m on a pred burst again. Argh! Dan Rhea "Loyalty is for family, friends and country, not operating systems, compilers and computers"   – Dan Rhea, 1986

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Eric, You have to admit that you are wasting your time. I know I was wasting my time when I answered his posts. No "proof" is good enough for him – he ignores every new discovery. Because his kid got better, he thinks it is the "answer" to everyone’s asthma. Hey, my kid got better doing nothing. Perhaps I should propose that as the "answer" to asthma. Well, good try anyway. WHY YOU HAVE ASTHMA AND HOW TO FIX IT why you have no sodding idea and how to fix it you are wrong…every time you have posted this garbage it has been followed up by expert and well researched refutations pointing out the contradictions, inaccuracies and outright falsehoods in it…fix it by sodding off and getting a bloody life that doesn’t involve spamming a support newsgroup with fallacious and dangerous garbage have a happy bloody Christmas, and an alt.support.asthma free new year — eric www.ericjarvis.co.uk "I am a man of many parts, unfortunately most of them are no longer in stock"

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Dan, I know, you are right. It does get old though you have to admit. Joy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Joy, It’s probably still a good idea to say something anytime they post if only to warn any newbies that stumble across it. Why I have asthma… I’m breathing too much… what a crock… I guess that’s why I’m on a pred burst again. Argh! Dan Rhea "Loyalty is for family, friends and country, not operating systems, compilers and computers"   – Dan Rhea, 1986 Eric, You have to admit that you are wasting your time. I know I was wasting my time when I answered his posts. No "proof" is good enough for him – he ignores every new discovery. Because his kid got better, he thinks it is the "answer" to everyone’s asthma. Hey, my kid got better doing nothing. Perhaps I should propose that as the "answer" to asthma. Well, good try anyway. WHY YOU HAVE ASTHMA AND HOW TO FIX IT why you have no sodding idea and how to fix it you are wrong…every time you have posted this garbage it has been followed up by expert and well researched refutations pointing out the contradictions, inaccuracies and outright falsehoods in it…fix it by sodding off and getting a bloody life that doesn’t involve spamming a support newsgroup with fallacious and dangerous garbage have a happy bloody Christmas, and an alt.support.asthma free new year — eric www.ericjarvis.co.uk "I am a man of many parts, unfortunately most of them are no longer in stock"

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Moral of the story: Take 100 "asthmatics" tell them to stop taking their meds (DON’T TRY THIS AT HOME KIDS) ask them to turn round three times, shout Geronimo twice (no disrespect to NA’s intended) then spit! I would bet "a

Yeah and if a black cat runs in front of your car stop and rund around the car and spit over your shoulder. This will keep you from having bad luck.

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Ignore peter, he’s been breathing too much.

What does one expect, after holding one’s breath?

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Moral of the story: Take 100 "asthmatics" tell them to stop taking their meds (DON’T TRY THIS AT HOME KIDS) ask them to turn round three times, shout Geronimo twice (no disrespect to NA’s intended) then spit! I would bet "a Yeah and if a black cat runs in front of your car stop and rund around the car and spit over your shoulder. This will keep you from having bad luck.

Do you have a Medline ref. for this?

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Ignore peter, he’s been breathing too much. What does one expect, after holding one’s breath?

To air is human…

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Ignore peter, he’s been breathing too much. What does one expect, after holding one’s breath? To air is human…

Kinda chokes ya up, don’t it?

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… stop and rund around the car…

Bowman, don’t you know it’s rand around the car, not rund around it?

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Surely you mean AWAWND! E. Fudd Esq.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … stop and rund around the car… Bowman, don’t you know it’s rand around the car, not rund around it?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ignore peter, he’s been breathing too much. What does one expect, after holding one’s breath? To air is human… Kinda chokes ya up, don’t it?

Hopefully, the choke’s on peter. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ignore peter, he’s been breathing too much. What does one expect, after holding one’s breath? To air is human… Kinda chokes ya up, don’t it? Hopefully, the choke’s on peter.

, and not his chicken…

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Hopefully, the choke’s on peter.

No fella,  the "choke" is actually on you guys.  You just don’t know it yet because you’re all a bit slow. Just do a Google on Buteyko.  Hasn’t any one of you ever wondered what all this Buteyko fuss is about?  How come I mention it once and the switchboard lights up? It’s really a shame that you clowns don’t take this subject a little more seriously.  While you are monkeying around and asthma researchers still haven’t got a clue what causes asthma,  little kids are suffering needlessly.   I get a never ending stream of garbage from you blokes.  For goodness sakes,  when we presented scientific evidence, dick heads like Colin proclaimed that the eminent Australian reserachers involved in the trial actually cheated on their results.  What the hell does he know? He wasn’t there and he hasn’t got a clue about Science.  But what else can he say after shafting Buteyko for so long? You don’t seriously expect me to reply to all this drivvel, do you? Don’t answer, that was rhetorical.  I’m happy to debate Buteyko theory, but please give me someone to talk to who has enough neurones to form a synapse. Peter Kolb PS:  Here’s an article for Joy to look up:  "Respiratory Dysregulation in Anxiety, Functional Cardiac and Pain Disorders." Wilhelm FH, Gevirtz R, Roth WT.  Behavior Modification,  Vol 25 No 4, September 2001,  pp513-545. This article doesn’t say "Hyperventilation = Asthma", but it gives the same insight into chronic hypreventilation as we get from articles that are 50 years older.  The article is just over a  year old so Joy will have to come up with a new angle. PK Free information provided by grateful ex-asthmatics     http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm

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I get a never ending stream of garbage from you blokes.  For goodness sakes,  when we presented scientific evidence, dick heads like Colin proclaimed that the eminent Australian reserachers involved in the trial actually cheated on their results.  What the hell does he know? He wasn’t there and he hasn’t got a clue about Science.  But what else can he say after shafting Buteyko for so long?

Peter…you were caught out contradicting yourself and telling outright untruths…Google has an archive of the relevant posts…it’s no good coming back every few months and spouting the same bullshit again in the hope that if you are aggressive enough some people will believe you…the evidence of your lack of veracity and inability to back up your statements with evidence is archived for all time and can be accessed by anyone who wants to know the truth you’ve lost all the arguments because you are just plain wrong…you can start them again if you wish but you will lose them again…and the more times you do so the more you will look like a loser who can’t accept reality for anyone who isn’t aware of how to do it, simply go to <http://groups.google.com/ and look up Peter Kolb’s posting history to alt.support.asthma and the various threads that have derived from it…make up your own minds…he’s not saying anything new…though he hasn’t really started the real fun stuff yet…usually when pressed he can be made to post a few references to scientific studies…which leads to a wonderful interchange as each one gets picked off as irrelevant, faked, discredited, or about something else entirely Peter will then get on his high horse and try to pretend to be expert in medical matters…which is rather amusing since his job is actually the maintenance of medical devices whilst some of the people who will be arguing with him are actually genuinely medically qualified (sometimes this has included medical researchers) all of whom Peter will attempt to pretend to know more than…until finally when he’s managed to make himself look like a complete idiot again he will creep off to sulk for a few more months let the show begin — eric www.ericjarvis.co.uk "I am a man of many parts, unfortunately most of them are no longer in stock"

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Just do a Google on Buteyko.  Hasn’t any one of you ever wondered what all this Buteyko fuss is about?  How come I mention it once and the switchboard lights up?

Because we want to prevent anybody from jeopardizing their health by listening to your drivel. It’s really a shame that you clowns don’t take this subject a little more seriously.  While you are monkeying around and asthma researchers still haven’t got a clue what causes asthma,  little kids are suffering needlessly.  

They have a much better idea than you do.  At least they have actually done research to validate their theories – and changed or discarded those theories when new discoveries were made. I get a never ending stream of garbage from you blokes.

And we get a never ending stream of garbage from you.   For goodness sakes,  when we presented scientific evidence, dick heads like Colin proclaimed that the eminent Australian reserachers involved in the trial actually cheated on their results.  What the hell does he know? He wasn’t there and he hasn’t got a clue about Science.  But what else can he say after shafting Buteyko for so long?

Peter – you know the answer to this.  You were the one who supplied me with the original Brisbane study.  It was a simple matter to compare the two versions and note what was added and deleted. Face it Peter – the study was garbage and when they tried to fake tests that were never performed and conceal the loss of blinding they lost credibility.   — "What Sept. 11 did was remind us that there are times when we must fight for our country, that, indeed, there are things – our liberty, our democracy, our belief in human rights and human dignity – worth fighting for." Newsday.com editorial – 27 May 2002

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Peter, I truly doubt the people in here are "slow". Hey if you aren’t getting the recognition you wish, don’t stop by. I have no illusion about the Buteyko "fuss". People some are born followers.You know, your converts are few and far between and not likely to say loyal when presented with the facts. Asthma researchers do understand asthma. They just don’t know how to treat it without disabling the autoimmune system and further compromising the patient.You have to spend less time with your ignorant converts and more time at MEDLINE to know that. It doesn’t surprise me that you have failed to understand what everyone in here is trying to tell you. So, just go back to your own newsgroup because there you don’t have to defend your lack of knowledge.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hopefully, the choke’s on peter. No fella,  the "choke" is actually on you guys.  You just don’t know it yet because you’re all a bit slow. Just do a Google on Buteyko.  Hasn’t any one of you ever wondered what all this Buteyko fuss is about?  How come I mention it once and the switchboard lights up? It’s really a shame that you clowns don’t take this subject a little more seriously.  While you are monkeying around and asthma researchers still haven’t got a clue what causes asthma,  little kids are suffering needlessly. I get a never ending stream of garbage from you blokes.  For goodness sakes,  when we presented scientific evidence, dick heads like Colin proclaimed that the eminent Australian reserachers involved in the trial actually cheated on their results.  What the hell does he know? He wasn’t there and he hasn’t got a clue about Science.  But what else can he say after shafting Buteyko for so long? You don’t seriously expect me to reply to all this drivvel, do you? Don’t answer, that was rhetorical.  I’m happy to debate Buteyko theory, but please give me someone to talk to who has enough neurones to form a synapse. Peter Kolb PS:  Here’s an article for Joy to look up:  "Respiratory Dysregulation in Anxiety, Functional Cardiac and Pain Disorders." Wilhelm FH, Gevirtz R, Roth WT.  Behavior Modification,  Vol 25 No 4, September 2001,  pp513-545. This article doesn’t say "Hyperventilation = Asthma", but it gives the same insight into chronic hypreventilation as we get from articles that are 50 years older.  The article is just over a  year old so Joy will have to come up with a new angle. PK Free information provided by grateful ex-asthmatics     http://www.wt.com.au/~pkolb/buteyko.htm

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Eric, The problem is that even though he is "picked off", he fails to recognize it and comes back. You’d think he’d get the hint, but NO. Logical thought and more recent studies aren’t relevant to him so he will never understand how But* is a failed experiment.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I get a never ending stream of garbage from you blokes.  For goodness sakes,  when we presented scientific evidence, dick heads like Colin proclaimed that the eminent Australian reserachers involved in the trial actually cheated on their results.  What the hell does he know? He wasn’t there and he hasn’t got a clue about Science.  But what else can he say after shafting Buteyko for so long? Peter…you were caught out contradicting yourself and telling outright untruths…Google has an archive of the relevant posts…it’s no good coming back every few months and spouting the same bullshit again in the hope that if you are aggressive enough some people will believe you…the evidence of your lack of veracity and inability to back up your statements with evidence is archived for all time and can be accessed by anyone who wants to know the truth you’ve lost all the arguments because you are just plain wrong…you can start them again if you wish but you will lose them again…and the more times you do so the more you will look like a loser who can’t accept reality for anyone who isn’t aware of how to do it, simply go to <http://groups.google.com/ and look up Peter Kolb’s posting history to alt.support.asthma and the various threads that have derived from it…make up your own minds…he’s not saying anything new…though he hasn’t really started the real fun stuff yet…usually when pressed he can be made to post a few references to scientific studies…which leads to a wonderful interchange as each one gets picked off as irrelevant, faked, discredited, or about something else entirely Peter will then get on his high horse and try to pretend to be expert in medical matters…which is rather amusing since his job is actually the maintenance of medical devices whilst some of the people who will be arguing with him are actually genuinely medically qualified (sometimes this has included medical researchers) all of whom Peter will attempt to pretend to know more than…until finally when he’s managed to make himself look like a complete idiot again he will creep off to sulk for a few more months let the show begin — eric www.ericjarvis.co.uk "I am a man of many parts, unfortunately most of them are no longer in stock"

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Hopefully, the choke’s on peter. No fella,  the "choke" is actually on you guys.  You just don’t know it yet because you’re all a bit slow.

Yep, and you’re half-fast. Just do a Google on Buteyko.  Hasn’t any one of you ever wondered what all this Buteyko fuss is about?  How come I mention it once and the switchboard lights up?

We know what it’s about–unsubstantiated pseudo-science and a cult mentality. I get a never ending stream of garbage from you blokes.  For goodness sakes,  when we presented scientific evidence, dick heads like Colin proclaimed that the eminent Australian reserachers involved in the trial actually cheated on their results.

That’s because it’s a matter of record that they did. You don’t seriously expect me to reply to all this drivvel, do you?

You just did. Don’t answer, that was rhetorical.  I’m happy to debate Buteyko theory, but please give me someone to talk to who has enough neurones to form a synapse.

So far, your elevated discourse has consisted of calling someone a "dick head".  Very impressive.  We can only hope that you find us so wanting, synaptically speaking, that you will never deign to contact us again.  We wouldn’t expect less from the eminent biomedical engineer of the century.

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Miriam, so sorry to hear of your problems.  I live in Houston, too, although was spared from the flooding.  I did read in the paper that mold will cause flu, asthma, allergy, and even arthritis symptoms.  Please try to get to the doc for some meds.  Also, I understand that it’s best to dab your bleach mixture on any mold that is growing rather than spraying it, as the spray will spread it.  Hope everything is okay for you soon, and my heart truly goes out to you. Hugs, Jessica

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I am highly allergic to mold myself.  When I am around a lot of it I get asthma and my eyes swell and itch.  Usually, if there is just a little mold in the air I have a milder reaction that resembles a bad cold or the flu.  Everyone has different allergic reactions though. I think you are most likely wondering if it is the deadly type of mold that you hear so much about on tv. My brother owns a Service Master franchise and they specialize in water damage repair after events such as what you are experiencing in Texas.  Therefore, he is very knowledgeable on the subject.  According to him, toxic mold only grows when the water has not been removed within 10 days.  It is also very rare so even if the water has not been dried within 10 days, you most likely will not have this stain of mold develop.   Since most allergic reactions are due to a histamine reaction to an allergin  (this is what causes asthma, sneezing and itching) I would recommend that you take some regular over-the-counter antihistamine while you tackle the mold problem.  If you can get in to see the doctor, Claritin and some of the other drugs available by prescription are more effective and have less side effects. Hope this helps.  My heart goes out to you and the other people in Texas who are going through this tragedy.

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I’m so sorry you and your friend got caught in the flood mess!  I’m glad, though, that you’re both safe and sound.  I wish I could help you as far as the med.  You really need to see your doctor for that.  It sounds like your anxiety didn’t get in the way and that’s really good.  Please take care of yourself! Love, Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Asap, if anyone can read my message, let me know, so used to Aol, the net way has me baffled. My concern is w/the recent floods we had in Houston my friend and I areboth sick as dogs w/mold I think. Does a mold allergy feel like flu? I think it’s from putting the windows up to air out the place but then we also pulled up some doggy-soiled carpet near the front door, any insight and also can you take stuff my friend has to take? Thanks to anyone. This flood has been a mess. Love to all, Miriam in Houston, TX (((((((((((((((ASAP))))))))))))))))) P.S. Can anyohe suggest a med. we can take so  I can breathe and he can quit coughing. WhataMess!! LOL.

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Hi Miriam, my allergist gave me Allegra knowing I take Xanax and Effexor. No side-effects except a bit of sleepiness for a couple of days, but nothing major. I can see you, hope you can see me on Google….they do not get a lot of the posts or replies. Rita

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Miriam, I take Claratyne (Claritin) with Xanax and Efexor. My allergies go berserk pulling up carpet and mould can trigger asthma attacks. we have to be vigilant here. I also use Bricanyl (terbutaline sulfate) when I have asthma. Oh yeah, I can read your message. Take care, Meryl Hi Asap, if anyone can read my message, let me know, so used to Aol, the net way has me baffled. My concern is w/the recent floods we had in Houston my friend and I areboth sick as dogs w/mold I think. Does a mold allergy feel like flu? I think it’s from putting the windows up to air out the place but then we also pulled up some doggy-soiled carpet near the front door, any insight and also can you take stuff my friend has to take? Thanks to anyone. This flood has been a mess. Love to all, Miriam in Houston, TX (((((((((((((((ASAP))))))))))))))))) P.S. Can anyohe suggest a med. we can take so  I can breathe and he can quit coughing. WhataMess!! LOL.

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Miriam: Mold allergies can make you feel really miserable, and yes, it can feel more like the flu than the garden-variety sneezy itchy allergies. I get headaches, almost a feverish feeling, and crushing fatigue from mold allergies. I take Zyrtec, a prescription non-drowsy antihistamine, one a day, at bedtime. For really severe conditions I have to take oral Benadryl, which does make me sleepy but it good at quelling the allergic symptoms. I hope you feel better soon! xxoo Anne

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Hi Asap, if anyone can read my message, let me know, so used to Aol, the net way has me baffled.

Seeing as you’re using Google, I’m letting this show up in Google. Most of my posts won’t. Oh yeah, I can see your message;)  If you’re looking for the most reliable "web based" news, I’d suggest newsguy   –  http://www.newsguy.com It’s $25 per year, but has excellent filters for both spam and cross-posting that gets out of hand. IOW, there’s no Alexplore, SSRIHater and company anywhere in sight on Newsguy;)    Just a FYI thingie, that I and many others have found to be quite excellent – and few, if any, missing posts.   <no, I have no affiliation with Newsguy – I just like the service My concern is w/the recent floods we had in Houston my friend and I are both sick as dogs w/mold I think.

Ouch! I’ve a sister-in-law in Houston, and it’s awfully bad, I know. I’m not one who has allergies, but guess mold with the flooding might trigger all sorts of things. Guess all I can suggest is seeing your doc (in fact, a phone call tomorrow might get some quick answers?) – and see how common (which may be very, under the circumstances) and probably can get something over the phone, if it’s needed.  That’s only if the doc can’t fit you in tomorrow, of course. — Sloopy:) "Running away to get away…you’re wearing out your shoes." — Sly and the Family Stone

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Asthma is a familiar subject for me. I cannot imagine conditions more likely to set off problems than you have. Molds will set off attacks in people without asthma, too in large quantities. Things will dry, and get back to normal eventually. I have felt so sad for the poor folks that have had this mess intrude on them! Best wishes, and no more floods, I hope. Boyd — "The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity." (Ellen Parr- author)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Asap, if anyone can read my message, let me know, so used to Aol, the net way has me baffled. My concern is w/the recent floods we had in Houston my friend and I areboth sick as dogs w/mold I think. Does a mold allergy feel like flu? I think it’s from putting the windows up to air out the place but then we also pulled up some doggy-soiled carpet near the front door, any insight and also can you take stuff my friend has to take? Thanks to anyone. This flood has been a mess. Love to all, Miriam in Houston, TX (((((((((((((((ASAP))))))))))))))))) P.S. Can anyohe suggest a med. we can take so  I can breathe and he can quit coughing. WhataMess!! LOL.

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Hi Miriam, I take Claratyne (Claritin) with Xanax and Efexor. My allergies go berserk pulling up carpet and mould can trigger asthma attacks. we have to be vigilant here. I also use Bricanyl (terbutaline sulfate) when I have asthma. Oh yeah, I can read your message. Take care, Meryl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Asap, if anyone can read my message, let me know, so used to Aol, the net way has me baffled. My concern is w/the recent floods we had in Houston my friend and I areboth sick as dogs w/mold I think. Does a mold allergy feel like flu? I think it’s from putting the windows up to air out the place but then we also pulled up some doggy-soiled carpet near the front door, any insight and also can you take stuff my friend has to take? Thanks to anyone. This flood has been a mess. Love to all, Miriam in Houston, TX (((((((((((((((ASAP))))))))))))))))) P.S. Can anyohe suggest a med. we can take so  I can breathe and he can quit coughing. WhataMess!! LOL.

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Hi, Miriam, See your message but am sorry to hear you were flooded.  Hope you are feeling better soon.  ((((((Miriam)))))) smiles, elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Asap, if anyone can read my message, let me know, so used to Aol, the net way has me baffled. My concern is w/the recent floods we had in Houston my friend and I areboth sick as dogs w/mold I think. Does a mold allergy feel like flu? I think it’s from putting the windows up to air out the place but then we also pulled up some doggy-soiled carpet near the front door, any insight and also can you take stuff my friend has to take? Thanks to anyone. This flood has been a mess. Love to all, Miriam in Houston, TX (((((((((((((((ASAP))))))))))))))))) P.S. Can anyohe suggest a med. we can take so  I can breathe and he can quit coughing. WhataMess!! LOL.

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Hi Miriam, hmmm no info on meds sorry, I wouldn’t know, buI wish you all the best with the mess and trouble coursed by the flood. And i hope you guys feel better soon! Jeannette

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Asap, if anyone can read my message, let me know, so used to Aol, the net way has me baffled. My concern is w/the recent floods we had in Houston my friend and I areboth sick as dogs w/mold I think. Does a mold allergy feel like flu? I think it’s from putting the windows up to air out the place but then we also pulled up some doggy-soiled carpet near the front door, any insight and also can you take stuff my friend has to take? Thanks to anyone. This flood has been a mess. Love to all, Miriam in Houston, TX (((((((((((((((ASAP))))))))))))))))) P.S. Can anyohe suggest a med. we can take so  I can breathe and he can quit coughing. WhataMess!! LOL.

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Hi Asap, if anyone can read my message, let me know, so used to Aol, the net way has me baffled. My concern is w/the recent floods we had in Houston my friend and I areboth sick as dogs w/mold I think. Does a mold allergy feel like flu? I think it’s from putting the windows up to air out the place but then we also pulled up some doggy-soiled carpet near the front door, any insight and also can you take stuff my friend has to take? Thanks to anyone. This flood has been a mess. Love to all, Miriam in Houston, TX (((((((((((((((ASAP))))))))))))))))) P.S. Can anyohe suggest a med. we can take so  I can breathe and he can quit coughing. WhataMess!! LOL.

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Hi Everyone,    I have two web page(s) that have all the up to date information on what causes Asthma and its symptoms, medications, research, helpful hints, phone numbers to inhaler products, etc.  The first page explains my personal experience dealing with a excerbation of Asthma and its complications.  The second page is a continuation.   http://members.aol.com/_ht_b/breathelif/Asthma-Support.index.html and http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/oxygenaire/Asthma-Support-Cont.index.html   Sincerely,   Sandy

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Sandy, Sure liked your page and was very imformative.  Nice work!!  Great contribution! Thanks, pam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi Everyone,   I have two web page(s) that have all the up to date information on what causes Asthma and its symptoms, medications, research, helpful hints, phone numbers to inhaler products, etc.  The first page explains my personal experience dealing with a excerbation of Asthma and its complications.  The second page is a continuation.   http://members.aol.com/_ht_b/breathelif/Asthma-Support.index.html and http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/oxygenaire/Asthma-Support-Cont.index.html  Sincerely,  Sandy

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Hi this is the first time i am using newsgroups. Can anyone describe what causes asthma.  My father is asthmatic, I am too, both my kids aged 5 and 2 suffer as well.  Please suggest whether acacia trees contribute to the attacks.  Some of these trees are within 500 meters from my home.

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Hi this is the first time i am using newsgroups. Can anyone describe what causes asthma.  My father is asthmatic, I am too, both my kids aged 5 and 2 suffer as well.  Please suggest whether acacia trees contribute to the attacks.  Some of these trees are within 500 meters from my home.

Asthma is an inflammatory disease of the airways.  Typically this inflammation is caused by an allergic reaction to something in your environment.  If you are allergic to acacia trees then they are likely to contribute to asthma symptoms. "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea — massive, diffucult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." Gene Spafford 1992

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Hi this is the first time i am using newsgroups. Can anyone describe what causes asthma.  My father is asthmatic, I am too, both my kids aged 5 and 2 suffer as well.  Please suggest whether acacia trees contribute to the attacks.  Some of these trees are within 500 meters from my home.

There is a rather lenghty list of possible allergy triggers and maybe acacia trees are on that list. However, even if acacia trees have made the list, there is no way to conclude that that is the trigger you’re looking for. Testing by an allergist is the best approach to learning what you want to know. reble Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Your inference can be totally off-base Since you ask:        168 unique articles posted.        Number of articles posted to individual newsgroups:               48 rec.photo.marketplace               44 alt.support.sleep-disorder               29 rec.photo.darkroom               8 alt.hypnosis.hypnotherapy               8 alt.support.asthma               7 rec.photo.technique.people               6 rec.photo.equipment.35mm               3 alt.coffee               3 alt.hypnosis               3 rec.radio.amateur.equipment               2 rec.photo.equipment.medium-format               1 alt.support.chronic-pain               1 alt.support.diabetes.kids               1 alt.support.kidney-disease               1 rec.audio.marketplace               1 rec.photo.moderated               1 sci.materials

Who cares what he posted in other areas. It isn’t relevant to this discussion. What matters is what he posted to *this* ng in response to *the thread being discussed*. I don’t recall seeing him mention anything about hypnotherapy and asthma in this thread…you did. It seems kind of strange to me to jump on someone because you feel they hold some belief/view you don’t like, when they didn’t express that belief/view in this conversation. Unless of course you are upset about something he said elsewhere and are carrying that over into this discussion. But again…that is not relevant here. We could all go hunting thru dejanews finding examples of things people said in other places that we didn’t care for or agree with and post them/bring them up here. What is the point? ..diane

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It sounds like you may have a "hair-trigger" about the term "psychological" used in conjunction with asthma so you jump on things before reading them carefully. ..diane Feel free to show all those posts.

The post you replied to which started this discussion. ..diane

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That he said nothing about hypnotherapy. Since I’m inferring his reason due to a number of hypnosis posts, point

taken. You brought up hynotherapy, not him. Your inference can be totally off-base and you could very likely be starting a brohaha over nothing. What would the result be if we start assuming what everyone’s reasons are or what they *might* say…we’d be jumping to unfounded conclusions, "putting words in their mouths",  and creating a big mess. Assumptions are pretty shaky grounds. It sounds like you may have a "hair-trigger" about the term "psychological" used in conjunction with asthma so you jump on things before reading them carefully. ..diane

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It sounds like you may have a "hair-trigger" about the term "psychological" used in conjunction with asthma so you jump on things before reading them carefully. ..diane

Feel free to show all those posts.

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Your inference can be totally off-base

Since you ask:        168 unique articles posted.        Number of articles posted to individual newsgroups:               48 rec.photo.marketplace               44 alt.support.sleep-disorder               29 rec.photo.darkroom               8 alt.hypnosis.hypnotherapy               8 alt.support.asthma               7 rec.photo.technique.people               6 rec.photo.equipment.35mm               3 alt.coffee               3 alt.hypnosis               3 rec.radio.amateur.equipment               2 rec.photo.equipment.medium-format               1 alt.support.chronic-pain               1 alt.support.diabetes.kids               1 alt.support.kidney-disease               1 rec.audio.marketplace               1 rec.photo.moderated               1 sci.materials Newsgroups:   alt.support.chronic-pain Is there any information about the use of hypnosis or biofeedback in dealing with a constant pain from this condition? Thank you Newsgroups:   alt.hypnosis,alt.hypnosis.hypnotherapy,alt.hypnotherapy Re. tony Pagetts message, I hope there are others on this group. I am currently undertaking a course in Holistic Hypnotherapy myself in England and would appreciate some comments from others concerning issues I have or how I may be of help I am particularly interested in case histories of depression cases and Past life regression as a plausable healing method. Sensible people only please

Hello. The Pagett article you refer to seems to have expired. Could you briefly summarize it for me so I can follow the thread? Thanks Bert Newsgroups:   alt.hypnosis,alt.hypnosis.hypnotherapy,alt.hypnotherapy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re. tony Pagetts message, I hope there are others on this group. I am currently undertaking a course in Holistic Hypnotherapy myself in England and would appreciate some comments from others concerning issues I have or how I may be of help I am particularly interested in case histories of depression cases and Past life regression as a plausable healing method. Sensible people only please This is my foray into a newsgroup and I too want some serious discussions that will help us learn from one another. The flaming I have been reading on some of the other NGs may be entertaining, but seem a waste of time to me. Yes, I have had good results with past life regression.  An example is a lady who had back pain.  When regressed to her fifth lifetime ago, she was on a torture rack.  I brought her back through each lifetime with the suggestion that she could leave the pain in that life, that she didn’t need it in this one.  She noticed a marked improvement. Juanita Email:  hypnosis.rogers.wave.ca

Junanita Vert interesting!  Could you please briefly describe your approach in doing this past life regression? Thanks Bert Newsgroups:   alt.hypnosis,alt.hypnosis.hypnotherapy,alt.hypnotherapy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You should learn hypnosis from those who have a scientific as well as clinical background. Such instructors would explain that plr is psycho-drama, and not evidence of past lives. Re. tony Pagetts message, I hope there are others on this group. I am currently undertaking a course in Holistic Hypnotherapy myself in England and would appreciate some comments from others concerning issues I have or how I may be of help I am particularly interested in case histories of depression cases and Past life regression as a plausable healing method. Sensible people only please

Dr.Stevenson, Could you please elaborate a little on your intriguing characterization of PLR as ‘psychodrama’? Thanks Bert Newsgroups:   alt.hypnosis.hypnotherapy Now

What does the ‘village in the East’ mean? Today? Vandaag? Leuk Bert Newsgroups:   alt.hypnosis.hypnotherapy First of all, it is "fish or cut BAIT"!  (laughter) And second, this newsgroup lately feels like a bottle with enraged scorpions going at it.  Could have been that in their past life….. Bert Newsgroups:   alt.hypnosis.hypnotherapy I am a practicing Hypnotherapist.  Got into this because hypnosis was the only thing that helped me manage chronic pain.  It is amazing.  For physical, emotional and spiritual healing.  Faster than psychotherapy, non-invasive, non-toxic, no side effects, and less expensive than other modalities.  Best of all, it can’t hurt! I would like to hear the opinion of other people. What do you think about hypnosis??? Are the so called hypnotic healers good or bad?? If you have something to say about this, please let me know.

"Best of all, it can’t hurt" Much too optimistic a statement. An unskilled hypnotherapist can cause harm. For example by not dealing skillfully with traumatic recovered material,  or by improperly worded suggestions. Bert Newsgroups:   alt.hypnosis.hypnotherapy Since we have a number of hypnotherapists from the Uk following this newsgroup, maybe they can verify some information which I gleaned some time ago from a visiting UK hypnotherapist here in the US. He said that hypnosis/hypnotherapy was very widespread and popular in the UK, and that the number of practitioners as a percentage of the population was very much higher than in the US. But he also told me that the amount of client abuse was also very high.  He showed me a thick paperback ‘expose’ type book entirely devoted to exposing various abuses by hypnotists–financial abuse, sexual abuse, personal control, etc. Can one of our UK colleagues give us an overview of the state of the profession in the UK, and whether the reports of abuses are true or exagerated, or even false. Thanks. Bert Newsgroups:   alt.hypnosis.hypnotherapy Can anyone share some successful techniques that have helped clients who have tinnitus?  All suggestions will be gratefully appreciated.  Reply here or to my e-mail box. Regards Bert Newsgroups:   alt.hypnosis.hypnotherapy Whats is Photoreading? Newsgroups:   alt.support.asthma Thanks to all who replied with useful information, especially about Singulair which I did not know. This is a great and flame-free group which is helpful Bert Newsgroups:   alt.hypnosis.hypnotherapy I have been asked to comment if there are any hypnotherapy modalities that have shown useful results in coping with chronic fatigue syndrome. Has anyone treated clients with good results? Thanks for any input. Bert Lippel  C.Ht. Newsgroups:   alt.hypnosis.hypnotherapy I am looking for an excellent (not a "week-end wonder") hypnotherapist in Albuquerque, NM to recommend to a friend who needs help with stage fright and intense anxiety in making presentations and talk to the public. Your recommendations are appreciated. Thanks. Bert Newsgroups:   alt.support.asthma Thanks for the concise and useful information on peak flow meter readings.  This is a support group at its best! Bert

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is that society seems to be realizing the cumulative effects of some 50 years of industrial pollution and reduction in food quality. Please note:  I did not write this.  This was written by Kavelina.

  I know, that’s why it was double quoted. Actually, what I should have said is that the "increase in the _childhood_ asthma rate seems to follow about a decade . . ."

  Yes, of course.  Follow the cohorts. Statistical data on many diseases is available the NIH (or is it CDC?).   For asthma it is broken down by age.  Send me a reminder and I’ll send you a link.

  Please do. Maury

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<snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Setup the topic definitions (Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary): psychosomatic      1) of, relating to, concerned with, or involving both mind and body         <the ~ nature of man – Herbert Ratner      2) of, relating to, involving, or concerned with bodily symptoms         caused by mental or emotional disturbance <~ illness <~ medicine psychosomatics      a branch of medical science dealing with interrelationships between      the mind or emotions and the body and esp. with the relation of      psychic conflict to somantic symptomatology. <snip And posit that while the overwhelming majority of people (alt.support.asthma posters) with respiratory problems have a physical, and not psychological, illness:      a) will treatments of the mind help, hurt, or do nothing, for those with NO physical component to their respiratory ailment?      b) will ‘conditioning’ (phrase open to interpretation) of a person’s mental faculties help, hurt, or do nothing, toward improving a person’s ability to deal with the respiratory ailment?

I would suggest, that although the definitions above are true, and that mental conditioning *might* help some people with asthma, at least in controlling any anxiety that occurs when one can’t breathe, the reactions here to the phrase "psychosomatic" are caused by the *connotations* the word has in the general public.  Although the word does *not* mean "it’s all in your head," many asthmatics are told by people around them (family, friends, co-workers, complete strangers) that their condition is caused by mental problems.  The phrases "if you’d just calm down, you wouldn’t have trouble breathing," "maybe you should do something about your stress level," "it’s just a panic attack – you should get some therapy for that," and others, no matter how well meaning, show the lack of information and understanding about asthma.  Asthma is a real, possibly life threatening physical condition, and should be treated as such.  The general public believes that psychosomatic refers to a phsical condition caused by some disturbance of a person’s mind. So, after hearing this  multiple times, most asthmastics are going to assume that’s what meaning of the word you are using, because that’s the only sense of the word they ever hear. janet

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My personal observation and inclination regarding the continuing increase in asthma and other types of related health problems, is that  over the period of some 36 years I have been involved with both my personal problems with asthma and my son’s allergies and early avoidance of major problems, is that society seems to be realizing the cumulative effects of some 50 years of industrial pollution and reduction in food quality. Please note:  I did not write this.  This was written by Kavelina. These is an intresting correlation in that an increase in asthma rate seems

I did NOT write this!  I am under 36 [:)] and do not have a son. Edmond Freemon wrote it. Happy better breathing! Kavelina in Alaska

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That he said nothing about hypnotherapy.

Since I’m inferring his reason due to a number of hypnosis posts, point taken. So let’s reset the threads: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sun, 26 Jul 1998 hi friends. I’m writing from north Italy and I have two sites on psychosomat illnesses: asthma and psoriasis. Do yoy want visit them? write me! bye, from Herman Sun, 26 Jul 1998 I am amazed at the level of intolerance by some participants and about some subjects on this NG.  I don’t know WHY the original contributor raised the question of psychsomatic factors in asthma, but the reaction of derision is absolutely wrong and based on yahoo ignorance. Psychsomatic medecine is a legitimate branch or medical etiology, and indeed asthma is one of the classic illustrations of the influence of the mind in the origin of some illnesses.  The pioneer in the field was a well-known and respected physician, Flanders Dunbar M.D., and her seminal work was "Mind and Body: Psychsomatic Medicine" (Random House 1947).  The chapter on asthma is particularly illuminating.  If this were a civilized discussion forum I would be happy to summarize the main points, but I fear the vigilantes whose fear of spam has turned to neurosis, and whose feeling of monopoly over the origin and treatment of asthma only leads to verbal violence.  If there is some expressed interest I will excerpt some passages so we can all learn ideas, not facile put-downs. Bert Mon, 27 Jul 1998 It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.  No sooner had my post reached the NG that its self-appointed ‘Inspector’ descended on me with: 1. A quick quote from a 50-cent encyclopedia dismissing the physician I quoted ("Research") 2. A complaint that I had made a typo 3. The conclusion that I was a ‘troll’ hence not to be taken seriously. I couldn’t have invented a better satire of the people patrolling the NG in search of politically incorrect opinions, It’s too bad because there are clearly a lot of misconceptions about the word ‘psychosomatic’ which emphatically does NOT mean ‘it’s all in your head’. But I don’t plan to argue with the ‘inspectors’ who want to keep minds closed. Pity… Bert

Setup the topic definitions (Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary): psychosomatic      1) of, relating to, concerned with, or involving both mind and body         <the ~ nature of man – Herbert Ratner      2) of, relating to, involving, or concerned with bodily symptoms         caused by mental or emotional disturbance <~ illness <~ medicine psychosomatics      a branch of medical science dealing with interrelationships between      the mind or emotions and the body and esp. with the relation of      psychic conflict to somantic symptomatology. hypnotherapy      1) the treatment of disease by hypnotism      2) psychotherapy that facilitates suggestion, reeducation,         or analysis by means of hypnosis psychotherapy      treatment of mental or emotional disorder      or of related bodily ills by psychological means And posit that while the overwhelming majority of people (alt.support.asthma posters) with respiratory problems have a physical, and not psychological, illness:      a) will treatments of the mind help, hurt, or do nothing, for those with NO physical component to their respiratory ailment?      b) will ‘conditioning’ (phrase open to interpretation) of a person’s mental faculties help, hurt, or do nothing, toward improving a person’s ability to deal with the respiratory ailment?

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My personal observation and inclination regarding the continuing increase in asthma and other types of related health problems, is that  over the period of some 36 years I have been involved with both my personal problems with asthma and my son’s allergies and early avoidance of major problems, is that society seems to be realizing the cumulative effects of some 50 years of industrial pollution and reduction in food quality.

Please note:  I did not write this.  This was written by Kavelina. These is an intresting correlation in that an increase in asthma rate seems to follow about a decade after a decrease in the childhood death rate.  :-)  Think about what you just said in light of the above!  What you’re measuring is "more kids means more asthma".  I know you’re going to say "yeah, but this is a percentage", but I’ll bet no matter how hard you look you won’t find any age spreads on the numbers you find.  What’s happening is that a larger batch of people were injected into the population and skewed the stats.

Actually, what I should have said is that the "increase in the _childhood_ asthma rate seems to follow about a decade . . ." Statistical data on many diseases is available the NIH (or is it CDC?).  For asthma it is broken down by age.  Send me a reminder and I’ll send you a link.

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So? What is the point? Basic waste of time if what he wants is a discussion of hypnotherapy. What is your point?

That he said nothing about hypnotherapy. ..diane

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My personal observation and inclination regarding the continuing increase in asthma and other types of related health problems, is that  over the period of some 36 years I have been involved with both my personal problems with asthma and my son’s allergies and early avoidance of major problems, is that society seems to be realizing the cumulative effects of some 50 years of industrial pollution and reduction in food quality.

  I have another suggestion, you’re not seeing anything of the sort, you’re seeing the general aging of the population.  Demographics is terribly important here, yet often completely overlooked – forest for the trees as it were.   The baby boom cohort was aged from 20 to 40 in the 1970’s, healthy years for the most part.  Now they are aged 40 to 60.  As soon as you see a span of time greater than two decade, you should be thinking that demographics is the important thing.  I’m about 1/2 through a particularily excellent book on this now that I would highly recommend, "Boom, Bust and Echo".  It’s about Canadian demographics, but the effects and results are rather similar for the US as well (and some places in Europe, but not all). These is an intresting correlation in that an increase in asthma rate seems to follow about a decade after a decrease in the childhood death rate.

   Think about what you just said in light of the above!  What you’re measuring is "more kids means more asthma".  I know you’re going to say "yeah, but this is a percentage", but I’ll bet no matter how hard you look you won’t find any age spreads on the numbers you find.  What’s happening is that a larger batch of people were injected into the population and skewed the stats. Sadly, I cannot think of a way of either confirming or disproving this hypothesis.

  Seems easy actually, death rate by cohort by years.  Check statistics for averages in a _particular_ age group now, and 10 years ago. Maury

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Aloha Again, My personal observation and inclination regarding the continuing increase in asthma and other types of related health problems, is that  over the period of some 36 years I have been involved with both my personal problems with asthma and my son’s allergies and early avoidance of major problems, is that society seems to be realizing the cumulative effects of some 50 years of industrial pollution and reduction in food quality.

My personal hypothesis is that starting about 2 decades ago, asthmatic children stopped dying of various ‘undetermined respratory ailments’ due to improved medical techniques.  As a result these people survived and had children of thier own – passing on the heridetary predisposition for asthma. These is an intresting correlation in that an increase in asthma rate seems to follow about a decade after a decrease in the childhood death rate. Sadly, I cannot think of a way of either confirming or disproving this hypothesis.

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So? What is the point?

Basic waste of time if what he wants is a discussion of hypnotherapy. What is your point?

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http://www.ama-assn.org/special/asthma/support/educate/basics.htm "Physicians do not know exactly what causes asthma nor are they able to explain why one person gets asthma and another doesn’t."   It goes on to say our understanding is much greater, but I think that statement really does say it all. Let’s finish that section:

I checked the context of the statement. It does go on to say what the current view of asthma includes. There are studies and tests which indicate inflammation, contriction and senstivity on a physical level so these aspects are included in the model.      Now in 1997, although the role of inflammation is still evolving as a concept,      a much firmer scientific basis exists to indicate that asthma results from      complex interactions among inflammatory cells, mediators, and the cells and      tissues resident in the airways.

The key point is that the model is not complete. And for those of you still reading; these little threads condense to this, rephrased:      Physicians do not know exactly what causes disease nor are they able to      explain why one person gets disease and another doesn’t. <engineering answer:  extremely few human bodies are built to spec

And each person is unique so their triggers and symptom causes are unique. As a result the treatment needs to be tailored to their needs. The difficulty lies in determining the unique causes in each individual and what their specific needs are. Unfortunately all this back and forth, while at times informative, tends to ignore the viewpoint of the catalyst Bert Lippel.  He has a fascination

with hypnosis/hypnotherapy.      Chronic fatigue Syndrome      1998/04/15      alt.hypnosis.hypnotherapy      I have been asked to comment if there are any hypnotherapy modalities      that have shown useful results in coping with chronic fatigue syndrome.      Has anyone treated clients with good results?      Thanks for any input.      Bert Lippel  C.Ht. I guess at some point he’ll get to his topic of interest.

So? What is the point? ..diane

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….However, asthma is now a very well understood disease and the psycosomatic theories have been discarded as obsolete. Why do researchers at asthma conferences still refer to the disease as a mystery. Do you know something they don’t? Bruce Nilson

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Why do researchers at asthma conferences still refer to the disease as a mystery. Do you know something they don’t?

  Colin is fond of quoting the JAMA web pages as the font of all knowledge, so let’s see what they say.  From… http://www.ama-assn.org/special/asthma/support/educate/basics.htm "Physicians do not know exactly what causes asthma nor are they able to explain why one person gets asthma and another doesn’t."   It goes on to say our understanding is much greater, but I think that statement really does say it all. Maury

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Why do researchers at asthma conferences still refer to the disease as a mystery. Do you know something they don’t?

I suggest that you go back and review those comments.  There are many things about asthma that are ‘mystries’ (such as why the rate seems to be increasing, and what causes the heriditary susseptibility to develop asthma to turn into actual asthma). Saying that asthma is a ‘mystery’ without some sort of context is itself misleading.

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Aloha Again, My personal observation and inclination regarding the continuing increase in asthma and other types of related health problems, is that  over the period of some 36 years I have been involved with both my personal problems with asthma and my son’s allergies and early avoidance of major problems, is that society seems to be realizing the cumulative effects of some 50 years of industrial pollution and reduction in food quality.  When food is packaged with more than two or three ingredients on the label my safest thing is to avoid it.  Also try to use quality produce when I can and wash carefully before eating and cooking.  Consumers Report had an interesting and encouraging article on the effective results of washing much of the pesticide, etc.  off of fresh produce. It can help the ones that need it a lot. Aloha to All, Edmund

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If medicine works so well than why has the death rate increased over 40% in the last decade?  If your current method of treatment is so effective, than why does this forum even exist?  I can’t believe that when I read these letters, all everyone talks about is what drugs they’re taking and yet how sick they still are.

Is the ‘fishing’ any better in the other support newsgroups? (copy of a different Paul Grenier post follows) Newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Path:news.pixi.com!news.lava.net!news.Hawaii.Edu!news.uoregon.edu!hammer.uo regon  .edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news.sprintisp.com!sprintisp!su-news- hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net !not- for-mail For information on Ritalin, read "what can Ritalin cause?"  If you want to improve your childs health and behavior without drugs, then the best alternative and most effective alternative by far is to bring your child to a competant Chiropractor.

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: If medicine works so well than why has the death rate increased over 40% : in the last decade?  If your current method of treatment is so : Is the ‘fishing’ any better in the other support newsgroups? : (copy of a different Paul Grenier post follows) I think the standard term is trolling.  Paul Grenier (probably not even his real name or e-mail address!) is a troll.  The only problem is that we actually have to provide a rebuttal else we risk some newbie actually _believing_ this troll. Cheers, Kin Hoong Message for the troll: please put away your lines and hooks now, we do not want to have to impound your boat for illegal fishing.

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If medicine works so well than why has the death rate increased over 40% in the last decade?  If your current method of treatment is so effective, than why does this forum even exist?  I can’t believe that when I read these letters, all everyone talks about is what drugs they’re taking and yet how sick they still are.

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If medicine works so well than why has the death rate increased over 40% in the last decade?  If your current method of treatment is so effective, than why does this forum even exist?  I can’t believe that when I read these letters, all everyone talks about is what drugs they’re taking and yet how sick they still are.

Actually, some researchers are saying that we need to take another look at the ‘increase in asthma’ as they feel that the ‘increase’ is more the result of better screening and improved doctor awareness than any actual increase in the disease. If the increase in asthma turns out to be real then nobody really knows why it has increased.  This makes sense because nobody even knows what causes asthma (the evidence for a genetic susceptibility is getting stronger all the time though).  One odd statistic is that higher asthma rates seem to be acssociated with lower (nationwide) child-mortality rates. As for your second question: There Is No Cure For Asthma. All our medications do is (usually) keep our asthma symptoms under control.  And most of us are not sick all the time. Asthmatics are not weak and sicleky people.  If you disagree we can do some jogging and see who collapses first (warning I literally ran an Army "Green Beret’ into the ground last year).

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Do you take candy from babies, as well? I usually don’t respond to the mentally challenged, but your post "inspired" me. Without getting too in depth… Asthma deaths have increased, but mostly in "disadvantaged" areas, particularly among blacks. Cockroach allergy is high in inner cities and presents two problems: 1) not having the resources to get proper treatment and 2) not having the resources to eliminate the cockroaches. Follow? The other problem are deaths due to the complications of asthma. Flu and pneumonia can cause death in asthmatics.. not directly due to asthma but as a result of the lungs being compramised due to life long asthma. A person may have otherwise lived a normal life if not for the germ ladden, twenty dollar bill they got from the bank… scratch the nose and… Follow?  And, only recently has asthma been considered a true disease. Treatment methods have changed… most involving life long application. Doctors, as well as patients are still adjusting to this. Evidence is in listening to the varied treatment of the people here. Are you aware that allergic disease (including many forms of asthma) are a disease of the immune system? Lastly, this board hardly represents the real world. Many people are being treated for their asthma successfully. If they’re not having problems, why would they visit this site? Some do to exchange information, but many are looking for answers to questions. This hardly respresents the total number of asthmatics being treated. Why don’t you visit the cancer site and ask them the same question?

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Loverly thread.  Reminds me of one we had going about 1.765 years ago. Intestinal changes after smoking and the END results. Alan53

LOL Alan53. Bean there, done that. cw mm

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Lee — 4w 1d 16h smoke-free, 1,776 cigs not smoked, $266.40 saved.

Lee has entered "Lame duck session."  Yee frickin hawwwwww! How many days till am ‘em? WTG Lee. cw mm

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After reading this thread I would say maybe it’s a mixture of things.  To include tiny hard sugar cuts.  I sort of thought that too. Kim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmmmm, I’ve been having some tongue problems myself.  Until now, I was sure it was because I was constantly sucking on lifesavers (thinking maybe the "sharp" edges on the candy was putting small cuts on my tongue) since my quite date. . . now I’m not so sure (since someone else is having problems too). Eric

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Maybe that too.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And I thought it was the dry white powders of the sugar free gum.

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"Lemming" wrote …  Aren’t you worried you might fall in?

I used to be, until I had the lovely, carved, ivory straining bars installed. Their textured surfaces give me something to hold on to whilst I am in the throes. Jef., if you can produce 35-38 pounds *per session*, I think I’m afraid of you too.

No need, my friend; no need! I took a solemn oath never to use my powers for evil. And you *are* one of the good guys, yes?

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Hmmmm, I’ve been having some tongue problems myself.  Until now, I was sure it was because I was constantly sucking on lifesavers (thinking maybe the "sharp" edges on the candy was putting small cuts on my tongue) since my quite date. . . now I’m not so sure (since someone else is having problems too). Eric

And I thought it was the dry white powders of the sugar free gum.

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"Lemming" wrote Now that *is* an image.  Maybe you should see a doctor, Jef., if that’s true? I’m not concerned. I feel just fine, thanks. I exaggerated slightly for comic effect, mind you. My commode’s warranty specifically states that it has a 150 pound (how many stone is that…?)

There are 14 pounds to a stone, so that’s … umm … a little short of eleven stone.  I’m impressed.  Aren’t you worried you might fall in? capacity, and as I rarely average any more than 35-38 pounds per…uh…session, I think I’m safe. The downstairs neighbors have complained of the noise, but they are afraid of me, so I shrug it off.

Jef., if you can produce 35-38 pounds *per session*, I think I’m afraid of you too. — Lemming CAUTION! Do Not Look Into Laser With Remaining Eye.

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. Jef., if you can produce 35-38 pounds *per session*, I think I’m afraid of you too. — Lemming

Always knew he was full of  **IT. Loverly thread.  Reminds me of one we had going about 1.765 years ago. Intestinal changes after smoking and the END results. Alan53

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"Lemming" wrote Now that *is* an image.  Maybe you should see a doctor, Jef., if that’s true?

I’m not concerned. I feel just fine, thanks. I exaggerated slightly for comic effect, mind you. My commode’s warranty specifically states that it has a 150 pound (how many stone is that…?) capacity, and as I rarely average any more than 35-38 pounds per…uh…session, I think I’m safe. The downstairs neighbors have complained of the noise, but they are afraid of me, so I shrug it off.

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Patty had the tongue thing.  Turned out to be the cinammon Altoids.  She switched to the wintergreens and the problem was solved. My deal isn’t the soreness, it’s just that my taste buds are in hyper drive.  Popped one of those lemon altoids (the ones that come in the round tin, didn’t even know those existed until I saw them this morning) and my eyes bout came out of their sockets. Certain fruits such as strawberries have a lesser effect. It’s all good. Lee — 4w 1d 16h smoke-free, 1,776 cigs not smoked, $266.40 saved. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well yes but what I have to go through to be that way.  I figure it can’t hurt to put this out here.  Maybe someone else is going through it.  Or maybe I’m just nuts.  Because I honestly think this is just one way for the nicodemon to try and get me back into the evil smoking fold. There is good news and bad news.  Let’s start with the bad news and just get it out of the way.  First of all here’s my meter so that you know where I’m at in my quit. I have chosen not to smoke for 2 Weeks 4 Days 18 Hours 5 Minutes 21 Seconds. Cigarettes not smoked: 1068. Money saved: $91.93. I’ve been having a problem with my mouth almost since the day I quit.  I don’t know if it’s a coincidence or what but it sure is having it’s way with me.  My tongue is, I swear, growing a new skin.  And this growing a new tongue is painful business.  I’ve got taste buds that are 4 times their regular size.  They are out of control!  LOL  Thank goodness it’s not all of them.  Anyway, my tongue is so sensitive I can hardly eat these days.  Maybe that’s a good thing.  I’ve gotten to a point where I’ve had to put ora-jel on it to numb it so that I can sleep.  It may be from the whole oral fixation and I’m doing it.  I really don’t know.  I just know it hurts. OK – some good news.  I used to pop antacids like they were candy.  Guess what?  I have not used one since the day I quit.  My heart burn and acid reflux must have been caused from my smoking.  I’M CURED!  Pretty exciting. There’s more…  My chronic sinus infection is almost nil.  I used to have to snuffle up Nasalcrom at least twice a day to unblock my sinus’.  I’ve used it once since I quit.  Funny thing is I never equated these ailments with smoking before.  They’ve been so dramatically better and gone that there is no way I couldn’t see it was all caused from smoking. I just thought someone might find all of this interesting.  I’m not usually one to talk about this kind of stuff.  It just amazes me.  The good and the bad. And how are you today? Kim

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How am I today?  Great, Kim.  Basking in the afternoon heat (went from 52 degrees to 86 in a half-hour after the wind shifted….love that), reading, revelling in another smoke-free day. Tonight is gonna be a "do nothing" night.  No walking, no exercising, just sitting on our butts all night.  We deserve to be lazy this once. Lee — 4w 1d 16h smoke-free, 1,776 cigs not smoked, $266.40 saved. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well yes but what I have to go through to be that way.  I figure it can’t hurt to put this out here.  Maybe someone else is going through it.  Or maybe I’m just nuts.  Because I honestly think this is just one way for the nicodemon to try and get me back into the evil smoking fold. There is good news and bad news.  Let’s start with the bad news and just get it out of the way.  First of all here’s my meter so that you know where I’m at in my quit. I have chosen not to smoke for 2 Weeks 4 Days 18 Hours 5 Minutes 21 Seconds. Cigarettes not smoked: 1068. Money saved: $91.93. I’ve been having a problem with my mouth almost since the day I quit.  I don’t know if it’s a coincidence or what but it sure is having it’s way with me.  My tongue is, I swear, growing a new skin.  And this growing a new tongue is painful business.  I’ve got taste buds that are 4 times their regular size.  They are out of control!  LOL  Thank goodness it’s not all of them.  Anyway, my tongue is so sensitive I can hardly eat these days.  Maybe that’s a good thing.  I’ve gotten to a point where I’ve had to put ora-jel on it to numb it so that I can sleep.  It may be from the whole oral fixation and I’m doing it.  I really don’t know.  I just know it hurts. OK – some good news.  I used to pop antacids like they were candy.  Guess what?  I have not used one since the day I quit.  My heart burn and acid reflux must have been caused from my smoking.  I’M CURED!  Pretty exciting. There’s more…  My chronic sinus infection is almost nil.  I used to have to snuffle up Nasalcrom at least twice a day to unblock my sinus’.  I’ve used it once since I quit.  Funny thing is I never equated these ailments with smoking before.  They’ve been so dramatically better and gone that there is no way I couldn’t see it was all caused from smoking. I just thought someone might find all of this interesting.  I’m not usually one to talk about this kind of stuff.  It just amazes me.  The good and the bad. And how are you today? Kim

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"Lemming" wrote Now that *is* an image.  Maybe you should see a doctor, Jef., if that’s true? I’m not concerned. I feel just fine, thanks.

Yech, boys!  Stop talking so dirty :^P (that’s me gagging) I got home from work and saw this mini-thread coming off of my reply to Kim’s and never dreamed it was about, uh, shit? LOL! It’s true, you know, (not the gross part; I have no idea about the capacity of your toilet, Jef. LOL!) I could very well end up pudgy before it’s all over with!  What a kick that would be to us all!  I think my mom would be thrilled (I KNOW my sister would be! ;^) and who knows?  Greg might even like it better, too!  More to love, isn’t that what they say?  I’ve never had the honor of that compliment before.  Or I might just get fat, ugly and depressed over it.  Maybe I better keep an eye on the scales and what goes into my mouth? ;^) Nah. BB I exaggerated slightly for comic effect, mind you. My commode’s warranty specifically states that it has a 150 pound (how many stone is that…?) capacity, and as I rarely average any more than 35-38 pounds per…uh…session, I think I’m safe. The downstairs neighbors have complained of the noise, but they are afraid of me, so I shrug it off.

–    BinnieBee – Proudly wearing HOF status ;^)         %%       (—-)      ( __< )      ^^ ~~ ^^      ~f3as3~

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Patty had the tongue thing.  Turned out to be the cinammon Altoids.  She switched to the wintergreens and the problem was solved.

I did too, but it was combination of altoids and lemon drops.. the rough sugar on the lemon drops was sanding my tongue down to nothing. I quit those and went to Hershey’s Hugs. mmmmmmm and all better. *grin* My deal isn’t the soreness, it’s just that my taste buds are in hyper drive.  Popped one of those lemon altoids (the ones that come in the round tin, didn’t even know those existed until I saw them this morning) and my eyes bout came out of their sockets.

You ain’t kiddin! I ate one, used my car jack to re-open my eyes and unpucker and then threw the rest away and use the tin to put quarters in. WOW! Those things are strong!!! I haven’t smoked in: Five days, 18 hours, 29 minutes. That comes to 115 cigarettes not smoked, saving me a whopping $18.75. — Rich G. http://www.geocities.com/simplerichg/index.html "You can’t go around building a better world for people. Only people can build a better world for people. Otherwise it’s just a cage."         — (Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad)

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"Lemming" wrote "BinnieBee" wrote … Drum roll, please? I finally hit One Hundred pounds! (What Jack Palance said to Billy Crystal in CITY SLICKERS…..) "The day ain’t over yet?"

Heehee! I like that, too, but the one I had in mind– considering my own appetite these days– was "I *crap* bigger’n that!"

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"Lemming" wrote "BinnieBee" wrote … Drum roll, please? I finally hit One Hundred pounds! (What Jack Palance said to Billy Crystal in CITY SLICKERS…..) "The day ain’t over yet?" Heehee! I like that, too, but the one I had in mind– considering my own appetite these days– was "I *crap* bigger’n that!"

Now that *is* an image.  Maybe you should see a doctor, Jef., if that’s true? — Lemming CAUTION! Do Not Look Into Laser With Remaining Eye.

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I have chosen not to smoke for 2 Weeks 4 Days 18 Hours 5 Minutes 21 Seconds. Cigarettes not smoked: 1068. Money saved: $91.93.

Kim, that’s really awesome! Congratulations! Since nicotine, etc., in the smoke has the effect of restricting circulation, some of the wierd symptoms may be associated with dramatic increases in circulation — bleeding gums is not an uncommon side-effect of quitting, for example. I’d hazard to guess that the tongue symptoms you describe could be attributed to that, although it’s also possible that you’re turning into a frog … Stepper DOF

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"BinnieBee" wrote … Drum roll, please? I finally hit One Hundred pounds!

(What Jack Palance said to Billy Crystal in CITY SLICKERS…..)

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"BinnieBee" wrote … Drum roll, please? I finally hit One Hundred pounds! (What Jack Palance said to Billy Crystal in CITY SLICKERS…..)

"The day ain’t over yet?" — Lemming CAUTION! Do Not Look Into Laser With Remaining Eye.

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I went through a miserable time with my mouth, gums bleeding so badly that I made a trip to the periodontist thinking I was loosing my teeth or at least in serious trouble. His reaction, that’s WONDERFUL, good good…excellent sign, you’re gums are healing, all that blood that couldn’t get to them before is now back and circulation is restored… that was good news…so many good things.. I’ll be 12 weeks quit on Sunday… the time has gone quickly, sometimes not quickly enough ) Diane B

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My chronic sinus infection is almost nil. And how are you today?

Ya know, that’s funny. I mentioned somethin’ to PuterGal the other night. I used to have sinus problems for years. Bought stock in Tylenol Sinus for it was the only thing that would put a dent in the sinus headaches I would get 3-4 times a week. Yet, durin’ my hospital days of feb-mar-apr, one of the things they found was sinus disease. Stuffed antibiotics down me like yuou with the antacids. That was over 8 weeks ago and I have only had a couple of small nasal stuffs, no headaches. Hmmm…. Kim

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There’s more…  My chronic sinus infection is almost nil.  I used to have to snuffle up Nasalcrom at least twice a day to unblock my sinus’.  I’ve used it once since I quit.  Funny thing is I never equated these ailments with smoking before.  They’ve been so dramatically better and gone And how are you today?

I have been "hooked on" nasal spray forever!  Actually, every few years the rebound swelling got to the point that it was useless to even use the spray and I’d go through the misery of not being able to breathe for several days to a week to get un-hooked.  Then start it all over again the first time my nose was a bit stuffy.  The last time I got off of the spray I went to another, ‘lighter’ version of the stuff and have not become readdicted since.  Mainly, I think, because I stopped smoking.   Also, since I stopped smoking I no longer require any asthma medication.  I have had mild asthma for years, which only flared up when I was around something (like cats) that I’m seriously allergic to.  But after I moved to Kansas nearly 5 years ago it go much, MUCH worse and I had to get on several strong meds to calm it down, and then on a maintenance daily med to keep it calmed down.  Now I don’t wheeze at all, don’t feel like something is sitting on my chest and have stopped taking my asthma pills! Let’s see…what else…Oh, yeah, we covered all the hormonal/anti-D crapola yesterday, which I guess was the worst health "issue" (LOL, Kim)  since I’ve been quit.  Seemed like my emotions and hormones went all crazy for a long time!  But as I reported yesterday (do I talk too much or WHAT??!!) all that has just done a 180 degree turnaround this past week or so.   I weighed last night.  I’ve finally reached a number on the scale that has been slightly out of my reach for almost ever.  Drum roll, please? I finally hit One Hundred pounds! For me, that was a good thing.  It’s an indication that my mental AND physical health has improved.  And it is getting very close to meaning I get to go buy new clothes! Unfortunately, it also means that I need to start exercising. :^( Oh well, ODAT on that one.  (ie, Not today, maybe tomorrow ;^) — *Hugs* BinnieBee – HOF         %%       (—-)      ( __< )      ^^ ~~ ^^      ~f3as3~ Six months, four weeks, one day, 14 hours, 35 minutes and 18 seconds. 6318 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,042.30. Life saved: 3 weeks, 22 hours, 30 minutes.

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L.O.L.   chuckle chuckle chuckle. Oh, those days! My mouth went through a complete meta morphisis. HHhaaahahaha! Can’t stop laughing. <sorry My mouth meta- morphisised day after day after day. Thru 3rd week into 5 week. Sometimes it was the gums. Sometimes it was the teeth. I think it’s due to the nico being absorbed by the linings of your month. The SFB’er Peter was a pipe smoker and keeps getting into a tough bind trying to quit. His month gets too painful and has to start again. Anyways, two things learn hear for everybody. Number 1 is I can’t spell. Number 2 is if you have a question, please ask. Now to the newbies…….intestinal/bowel movement changes????? That’s next. CraigWatts Two months, two weeks, two days, 8 hours, 16 minutes and 29 seconds. 1546 cigarettes not smoked, saving $231.91. Life saved: 5 days, 8 hours, 50 minutes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well yes but what I have to go through to be that way.  I figure it can’t hurt to put this out here.  Maybe someone else is going through it.  Or maybe I’m just nuts.  Because I honestly think this is just one way for the nicodemon to try and get me back into the evil smoking fold. There is good news and bad news.  Let’s start with the bad news and just get it out of the way.  First of all here’s my meter so that you know where I’m at in my quit. I have chosen not to smoke for 2 Weeks 4 Days 18 Hours 5 Minutes 21 Seconds. Cigarettes not smoked: 1068. Money saved: $91.93. I’ve been having a problem with my mouth almost since the day I quit.  I don’t know if it’s a coincidence or what but it sure is having it’s way with me.  My tongue is, I swear, growing a new skin.  And this growing a new tongue is painful business.  I’ve got taste buds that are 4 times their regular size.  They are out of control!  LOL  Thank goodness it’s not all of them.  Anyway, my tongue is so sensitive I can hardly eat these days.  Maybe that’s a good thing.  I’ve gotten to a point where I’ve had to put ora-jel on it to numb it so that I can sleep.  It may be from the whole oral fixation and I’m doing it.  I really don’t know.  I just know it hurts. OK – some good news.  I used to pop antacids like they were candy.  Guess what?  I have not used one since the day I quit.  My heart burn and acid reflux must have been caused from my smoking.  I’M CURED!  Pretty exciting. There’s more…  My chronic sinus infection is almost nil.  I used to have to snuffle up Nasalcrom at least twice a day to unblock my sinus’.  I’ve used it once since I quit.  Funny thing is I never equated these ailments with smoking before.  They’ve been so dramatically better and gone that there is no way I couldn’t see it was all caused from smoking. I just thought someone might find all of this interesting.  I’m not usually one to talk about this kind of stuff.  It just amazes me.  The good and the bad. And how are you today? Kim

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Hmmmm, I’ve been having some tongue problems myself.  Until now, I was sure it was because I was constantly sucking on lifesavers (thinking maybe the "sharp" edges on the candy was putting small cuts on my tongue) since my quite date. . . now I’m not so sure (since someone else is having problems too). Eric Six days, 16 hours, 21 minutes and 16 seconds. 200 cigarettes not smoked, saving $48.91. Life saved: 16 hours, 40 minutes.

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There was another quitter who had painful tongue problems.  I can’t remember his name.  Anyone?  Is he still around? Chris f3as3 Off of nicotine for  One week, four days, 10 hours, 55 minutes and 42 seconds. 229 stinky cigarettes not smoked, saving $40.09. Life saved: 19 hours, 5 minutes.& I intend to enjoy every minute of it!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well yes but what I have to go through to be that way.  I figure it can’t hurt to put this out here.  Maybe someone else is going through it.  Or maybe I’m just nuts.  Because I honestly think this is just one way for the nicodemon to try and get me back into the evil smoking fold. There is good news and bad news.  Let’s start with the bad news and just get it out of the way.  First of all here’s my meter so that you know where I’m at in my quit. I have chosen not to smoke for 2 Weeks 4 Days 18 Hours 5 Minutes 21 Seconds. Cigarettes not smoked: 1068. Money saved: $91.93. I’ve been having a problem with my mouth almost since the day I quit.  I don’t know if it’s a coincidence or what but it sure is having it’s way with me.  My tongue is, I swear, growing a new skin.  And this growing a new tongue is painful business.  I’ve got taste buds that are 4 times their regular size.  They are out of control!  LOL  Thank goodness it’s not all of them.  Anyway, my tongue is so sensitive I can hardly eat these days. Maybe that’s a good thing.  I’ve gotten to a point where I’ve had to put ora-jel on it to numb it so that I can sleep.  It may be from the whole oral fixation and I’m doing it.  I really don’t know.  I just know it hurts. OK – some good news.  I used to pop antacids like they were candy.  Guess what?  I have not used one since the day I quit.  My heart burn and acid reflux must have been caused from my smoking.  I’M CURED!  Pretty exciting. There’s more…  My chronic sinus infection is almost nil.  I used to have to snuffle up Nasalcrom at least twice a day to unblock my sinus’.  I’ve used it once since I quit.  Funny thing is I never equated these ailments with smoking before.  They’ve been so dramatically better and gone that there is no way I couldn’t see it was all caused from smoking. I just thought someone might find all of this interesting.  I’m not usually one to talk about this kind of stuff.  It just amazes me.  The good and the bad. And how are you today? Kim

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Well yes but what I have to go through to be that way.  I figure it can’t hurt to put this out here.  Maybe someone else is going through it.  Or maybe I’m just nuts.  Because I honestly think this is just one way for the nicodemon to try and get me back into the evil smoking fold. There is good news and bad news.  Let’s start with the bad news and just get it out of the way.  First of all here’s my meter so that you know where I’m at in my quit. I have chosen not to smoke for 2 Weeks 4 Days 18 Hours 5 Minutes 21 Seconds. Cigarettes not smoked: 1068. Money saved: $91.93. I’ve been having a problem with my mouth almost since the day I quit.  I don’t know if it’s a coincidence or what but it sure is having it’s way with me.  My tongue is, I swear, growing a new skin.  And this growing a new tongue is painful business.  I’ve got taste buds that are 4 times their regular size.  They are out of control!  LOL  Thank goodness it’s not all of them.  Anyway, my tongue is so sensitive I can hardly eat these days.  Maybe that’s a good thing.  I’ve gotten to a point where I’ve had to put ora-jel on it to numb it so that I can sleep.  It may be from the whole oral fixation and I’m doing it.  I really don’t know.  I just know it hurts. OK – some good news.  I used to pop antacids like they were candy.  Guess what?  I have not used one since the day I quit.  My heart burn and acid reflux must have been caused from my smoking.  I’M CURED!  Pretty exciting. There’s more…  My chronic sinus infection is almost nil.  I used to have to snuffle up Nasalcrom at least twice a day to unblock my sinus’.  I’ve used it once since I quit.  Funny thing is I never equated these ailments with smoking before.  They’ve been so dramatically better and gone that there is no way I couldn’t see it was all caused from smoking. I just thought someone might find all of this interesting.  I’m not usually one to talk about this kind of stuff.  It just amazes me.  The good and the bad. And how are you today? Kim

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Loverly thread.  Reminds me of one we had going about 1.765 years ago. Intestinal changes after smoking and the END results. Alan53

LOL Alan53. Bean there, done that. cw mm

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Lee — 4w 1d 16h smoke-free, 1,776 cigs not smoked, $266.40 saved.

Lee has entered "Lame duck session."  Yee frickin hawwwwww! How many days till am ‘em? WTG Lee. cw mm

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After reading this thread I would say maybe it’s a mixture of things.  To include tiny hard sugar cuts.  I sort of thought that too. Kim

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Maybe that too.

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"Lemming" wrote …  Aren’t you worried you might fall in?

I used to be, until I had the lovely, carved, ivory straining bars installed. Their textured surfaces give me something to hold on to whilst I am in the throes. Jef., if you can produce 35-38 pounds *per session*, I think I’m afraid of you too.

No need, my friend; no need! I took a solemn oath never to use my powers for evil. And you *are* one of the good guys, yes?

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Hmmmm, I’ve been having some tongue problems myself.  Until now, I was sure it was because I was constantly sucking on lifesavers (thinking maybe the "sharp" edges on the candy was putting small cuts on my tongue) since my quite date. . . now I’m not so sure (since someone else is having problems too). Eric

And I thought it was the dry white powders of the sugar free gum.

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"Lemming" wrote Now that *is* an image.  Maybe you should see a doctor, Jef., if that’s true? I’m not concerned. I feel just fine, thanks. I exaggerated slightly for comic effect, mind you. My commode’s warranty specifically states that it has a 150 pound (how many stone is that…?)

There are 14 pounds to a stone, so that’s … umm … a little short of eleven stone.  I’m impressed.  Aren’t you worried you might fall in? capacity, and as I rarely average any more than 35-38 pounds per…uh…session, I think I’m safe. The downstairs neighbors have complained of the noise, but they are afraid of me, so I shrug it off.

Jef., if you can produce 35-38 pounds *per session*, I think I’m afraid of you too. — Lemming CAUTION! Do Not Look Into Laser With Remaining Eye.

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. Jef., if you can produce 35-38 pounds *per session*, I think I’m afraid of you too. — Lemming

Always knew he was full of  **IT. Loverly thread.  Reminds me of one we had going about 1.765 years ago. Intestinal changes after smoking and the END results. Alan53

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"Lemming" wrote Now that *is* an image.  Maybe you should see a doctor, Jef., if that’s true?

I’m not concerned. I feel just fine, thanks. I exaggerated slightly for comic effect, mind you. My commode’s warranty specifically states that it has a 150 pound (how many stone is that…?) capacity, and as I rarely average any more than 35-38 pounds per…uh…session, I think I’m safe. The downstairs neighbors have complained of the noise, but they are afraid of me, so I shrug it off.

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Patty had the tongue thing.  Turned out to be the cinammon Altoids.  She switched to the wintergreens and the problem was solved. My deal isn’t the soreness, it’s just that my taste buds are in hyper drive.  Popped one of those lemon altoids (the ones that come in the round tin, didn’t even know those existed until I saw them this morning) and my eyes bout came out of their sockets. Certain fruits such as strawberries have a lesser effect. It’s all good. Lee — 4w 1d 16h smoke-free, 1,776 cigs not smoked, $266.40 saved. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well yes but what I have to go through to be that way.  I figure it can’t hurt to put this out here.  Maybe someone else is going through it.  Or maybe I’m just nuts.  Because I honestly think this is just one way for the nicodemon to try and get me back into the evil smoking fold. There is good news and bad news.  Let’s start with the bad news and just get it out of the way.  First of all here’s my meter so that you know where I’m at in my quit. I have chosen not to smoke for 2 Weeks 4 Days 18 Hours 5 Minutes 21 Seconds. Cigarettes not smoked: 1068. Money saved: $91.93. I’ve been having a problem with my mouth almost since the day I quit.  I don’t know if it’s a coincidence or what but it sure is having it’s way with me.  My tongue is, I swear, growing a new skin.  And this growing a new tongue is painful business.  I’ve got taste buds that are 4 times their regular size.  They are out of control!  LOL  Thank goodness it’s not all of them.  Anyway, my tongue is so sensitive I can hardly eat these days.  Maybe that’s a good thing.  I’ve gotten to a point where I’ve had to put ora-jel on it to numb it so that I can sleep.  It may be from the whole oral fixation and I’m doing it.  I really don’t know.  I just know it hurts. OK – some good news.  I used to pop antacids like they were candy.  Guess what?  I have not used one since the day I quit.  My heart burn and acid reflux must have been caused from my smoking.  I’M CURED!  Pretty exciting. There’s more…  My chronic sinus infection is almost nil.  I used to have to snuffle up Nasalcrom at least twice a day to unblock my sinus’.  I’ve used it once since I quit.  Funny thing is I never equated these ailments with smoking before.  They’ve been so dramatically better and gone that there is no way I couldn’t see it was all caused from smoking. I just thought someone might find all of this interesting.  I’m not usually one to talk about this kind of stuff.  It just amazes me.  The good and the bad. And how are you today? Kim

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How am I today?  Great, Kim.  Basking in the afternoon heat (went from 52 degrees to 86 in a half-hour after the wind shifted….love that), reading, revelling in another smoke-free day. Tonight is gonna be a "do nothing" night.  No walking, no exercising, just sitting on our butts all night.  We deserve to be lazy this once. Lee — 4w 1d 16h smoke-free, 1,776 cigs not smoked, $266.40 saved. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well yes but what I have to go through to be that way.  I figure it can’t hurt to put this out here.  Maybe someone else is going through it.  Or maybe I’m just nuts.  Because I honestly think this is just one way for the nicodemon to try and get me back into the evil smoking fold. There is good news and bad news.  Let’s start with the bad news and just get it out of the way.  First of all here’s my meter so that you know where I’m at in my quit. I have chosen not to smoke for 2 Weeks 4 Days 18 Hours 5 Minutes 21 Seconds. Cigarettes not smoked: 1068. Money saved: $91.93. I’ve been having a problem with my mouth almost since the day I quit.  I don’t know if it’s a coincidence or what but it sure is having it’s way with me.  My tongue is, I swear, growing a new skin.  And this growing a new tongue is painful business.  I’ve got taste buds that are 4 times their regular size.  They are out of control!  LOL  Thank goodness it’s not all of them.  Anyway, my tongue is so sensitive I can hardly eat these days.  Maybe that’s a good thing.  I’ve gotten to a point where I’ve had to put ora-jel on it to numb it so that I can sleep.  It may be from the whole oral fixation and I’m doing it.  I really don’t know.  I just know it hurts. OK – some good news.  I used to pop antacids like they were candy.  Guess what?  I have not used one since the day I quit.  My heart burn and acid reflux must have been caused from my smoking.  I’M CURED!  Pretty exciting. There’s more…  My chronic sinus infection is almost nil.  I used to have to snuffle up Nasalcrom at least twice a day to unblock my sinus’.  I’ve used it once since I quit.  Funny thing is I never equated these ailments with smoking before.  They’ve been so dramatically better and gone that there is no way I couldn’t see it was all caused from smoking. I just thought someone might find all of this interesting.  I’m not usually one to talk about this kind of stuff.  It just amazes me.  The good and the bad. And how are you today? Kim

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"Lemming" wrote Now that *is* an image.  Maybe you should see a doctor, Jef., if that’s true? I’m not concerned. I feel just fine, thanks.

Yech, boys!  Stop talking so dirty :^P (that’s me gagging) I got home from work and saw this mini-thread coming off of my reply to Kim’s and never dreamed it was about, uh, shit? LOL! It’s true, you know, (not the gross part; I have no idea about the capacity of your toilet, Jef. LOL!) I could very well end up pudgy before it’s all over with!  What a kick that would be to us all!  I think my mom would be thrilled (I KNOW my sister would be! ;^) and who knows?  Greg might even like it better, too!  More to love, isn’t that what they say?  I’ve never had the honor of that compliment before.  Or I might just get fat, ugly and depressed over it.  Maybe I better keep an eye on the scales and what goes into my mouth? ;^) Nah. BB I exaggerated slightly for comic effect, mind you. My commode’s warranty specifically states that it has a 150 pound (how many stone is that…?) capacity, and as I rarely average any more than 35-38 pounds per…uh…session, I think I’m safe. The downstairs neighbors have complained of the noise, but they are afraid of me, so I shrug it off.

–    BinnieBee – Proudly wearing HOF status ;^)         %%       (—-)      ( __< )      ^^ ~~ ^^      ~f3as3~

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Patty had the tongue thing.  Turned out to be the cinammon Altoids.  She switched to the wintergreens and the problem was solved.

I did too, but it was combination of altoids and lemon drops.. the rough sugar on the lemon drops was sanding my tongue down to nothing. I quit those and went to Hershey’s Hugs. mmmmmmm and all better. *grin* My deal isn’t the soreness, it’s just that my taste buds are in hyper drive.  Popped one of those lemon altoids (the ones that come in the round tin, didn’t even know those existed until I saw them this morning) and my eyes bout came out of their sockets.

You ain’t kiddin! I ate one, used my car jack to re-open my eyes and unpucker and then threw the rest away and use the tin to put quarters in. WOW! Those things are strong!!! I haven’t smoked in: Five days, 18 hours, 29 minutes. That comes to 115 cigarettes not smoked, saving me a whopping $18.75. — Rich G. http://www.geocities.com/simplerichg/index.html "You can’t go around building a better world for people. Only people can build a better world for people. Otherwise it’s just a cage."         — (Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad)

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"Lemming" wrote "BinnieBee" wrote … Drum roll, please? I finally hit One Hundred pounds! (What Jack Palance said to Billy Crystal in CITY SLICKERS…..) "The day ain’t over yet?"

Heehee! I like that, too, but the one I had in mind– considering my own appetite these days– was "I *crap* bigger’n that!"

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"Lemming" wrote "BinnieBee" wrote … Drum roll, please? I finally hit One Hundred pounds! (What Jack Palance said to Billy Crystal in CITY SLICKERS…..) "The day ain’t over yet?" Heehee! I like that, too, but the one I had in mind– considering my own appetite these days– was "I *crap* bigger’n that!"

Now that *is* an image.  Maybe you should see a doctor, Jef., if that’s true? — Lemming CAUTION! Do Not Look Into Laser With Remaining Eye.

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I have chosen not to smoke for 2 Weeks 4 Days 18 Hours 5 Minutes 21 Seconds. Cigarettes not smoked: 1068. Money saved: $91.93.

Kim, that’s really awesome! Congratulations! Since nicotine, etc., in the smoke has the effect of restricting circulation, some of the wierd symptoms may be associated with dramatic increases in circulation — bleeding gums is not an uncommon side-effect of quitting, for example. I’d hazard to guess that the tongue symptoms you describe could be attributed to that, although it’s also possible that you’re turning into a frog … Stepper DOF

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"BinnieBee" wrote … Drum roll, please? I finally hit One Hundred pounds!

(What Jack Palance said to Billy Crystal in CITY SLICKERS…..)

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"BinnieBee" wrote … Drum roll, please? I finally hit One Hundred pounds! (What Jack Palance said to Billy Crystal in CITY SLICKERS…..)

"The day ain’t over yet?" — Lemming CAUTION! Do Not Look Into Laser With Remaining Eye.

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I went through a miserable time with my mouth, gums bleeding so badly that I made a trip to the periodontist thinking I was loosing my teeth or at least in serious trouble. His reaction, that’s WONDERFUL, good good…excellent sign, you’re gums are healing, all that blood that couldn’t get to them before is now back and circulation is restored… that was good news…so many good things.. I’ll be 12 weeks quit on Sunday… the time has gone quickly, sometimes not quickly enough ) Diane B

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My chronic sinus infection is almost nil. And how are you today?

Ya know, that’s funny. I mentioned somethin’ to PuterGal the other night. I used to have sinus problems for years. Bought stock in Tylenol Sinus for it was the only thing that would put a dent in the sinus headaches I would get 3-4 times a week. Yet, durin’ my hospital days of feb-mar-apr, one of the things they found was sinus disease. Stuffed antibiotics down me like yuou with the antacids. That was over 8 weeks ago and I have only had a couple of small nasal stuffs, no headaches. Hmmm…. Kim

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There’s more…  My chronic sinus infection is almost nil.  I used to have to snuffle up Nasalcrom at least twice a day to unblock my sinus’.  I’ve used it once since I quit.  Funny thing is I never equated these ailments with smoking before.  They’ve been so dramatically better and gone And how are you today?

I have been "hooked on" nasal spray forever!  Actually, every few years the rebound swelling got to the point that it was useless to even use the spray and I’d go through the misery of not being able to breathe for several days to a week to get un-hooked.  Then start it all over again the first time my nose was a bit stuffy.  The last time I got off of the spray I went to another, ‘lighter’ version of the stuff and have not become readdicted since.  Mainly, I think, because I stopped smoking.   Also, since I stopped smoking I no longer require any asthma medication.  I have had mild asthma for years, which only flared up when I was around something (like cats) that I’m seriously allergic to.  But after I moved to Kansas nearly 5 years ago it go much, MUCH worse and I had to get on several strong meds to calm it down, and then on a maintenance daily med to keep it calmed down.  Now I don’t wheeze at all, don’t feel like something is sitting on my chest and have stopped taking my asthma pills! Let’s see…what else…Oh, yeah, we covered all the hormonal/anti-D crapola yesterday, which I guess was the worst health "issue" (LOL, Kim)  since I’ve been quit.  Seemed like my emotions and hormones went all crazy for a long time!  But as I reported yesterday (do I talk too much or WHAT??!!) all that has just done a 180 degree turnaround this past week or so.   I weighed last night.  I’ve finally reached a number on the scale that has been slightly out of my reach for almost ever.  Drum roll, please? I finally hit One Hundred pounds! For me, that was a good thing.  It’s an indication that my mental AND physical health has improved.  And it is getting very close to meaning I get to go buy new clothes! Unfortunately, it also means that I need to start exercising. :^( Oh well, ODAT on that one.  (ie, Not today, maybe tomorrow ;^) — *Hugs* BinnieBee – HOF         %%       (—-)      ( __< )      ^^ ~~ ^^      ~f3as3~ Six months, four weeks, one day, 14 hours, 35 minutes and 18 seconds. 6318 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,042.30. Life saved: 3 weeks, 22 hours, 30 minutes.

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L.O.L.   chuckle chuckle chuckle. Oh, those days! My mouth went through a complete meta morphisis. HHhaaahahaha! Can’t stop laughing. <sorry My mouth meta- morphisised day after day after day. Thru 3rd week into 5 week. Sometimes it was the gums. Sometimes it was the teeth. I think it’s due to the nico being absorbed by the linings of your month. The SFB’er Peter was a pipe smoker and keeps getting into a tough bind trying to quit. His month gets too painful and has to start again. Anyways, two things learn hear for everybody. Number 1 is I can’t spell. Number 2 is if you have a question, please ask. Now to the newbies…….intestinal/bowel movement changes????? That’s next. CraigWatts Two months, two weeks, two days, 8 hours, 16 minutes and 29 seconds. 1546 cigarettes not smoked, saving $231.91. Life saved: 5 days, 8 hours, 50 minutes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well yes but what I have to go through to be that way.  I figure it can’t hurt to put this out here.  Maybe someone else is going through it.  Or maybe I’m just nuts.  Because I honestly think this is just one way for the nicodemon to try and get me back into the evil smoking fold. There is good news and bad news.  Let’s start with the bad news and just get it out of the way.  First of all here’s my meter so that you know where I’m at in my quit. I have chosen not to smoke for 2 Weeks 4 Days 18 Hours 5 Minutes 21 Seconds. Cigarettes not smoked: 1068. Money saved: $91.93. I’ve been having a problem with my mouth almost since the day I quit.  I don’t know if it’s a coincidence or what but it sure is having it’s way with me.  My tongue is, I swear, growing a new skin.  And this growing a new tongue is painful business.  I’ve got taste buds that are 4 times their regular size.  They are out of control!  LOL  Thank goodness it’s not all of them.  Anyway, my tongue is so sensitive I can hardly eat these days.  Maybe that’s a good thing.  I’ve gotten to a point where I’ve had to put ora-jel on it to numb it so that I can sleep.  It may be from the whole oral fixation and I’m doing it.  I really don’t know.  I just know it hurts. OK – some good news.  I used to pop antacids like they were candy.  Guess what?  I have not used one since the day I quit.  My heart burn and acid reflux must have been caused from my smoking.  I’M CURED!  Pretty exciting. There’s more…  My chronic sinus infection is almost nil.  I used to have to snuffle up Nasalcrom at least twice a day to unblock my sinus’.  I’ve used it once since I quit.  Funny thing is I never equated these ailments with smoking before.  They’ve been so dramatically better and gone that there is no way I couldn’t see it was all caused from smoking. I just thought someone might find all of this interesting.  I’m not usually one to talk about this kind of stuff.  It just amazes me.  The good and the bad. And how are you today? Kim

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Hmmmm, I’ve been having some tongue problems myself.  Until now, I was sure it was because I was constantly sucking on lifesavers (thinking maybe the "sharp" edges on the candy was putting small cuts on my tongue) since my quite date. . . now I’m not so sure (since someone else is having problems too). Eric Six days, 16 hours, 21 minutes and 16 seconds. 200 cigarettes not smoked, saving $48.91. Life saved: 16 hours, 40 minutes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well yes but what I have to go through to be that way.  I figure it can’t hurt to put this out here.  Maybe someone else is going through it.  Or maybe I’m just nuts.  Because I honestly think this is just one way for the nicodemon to try and get me back into the evil smoking fold. There is good news and bad news.  Let’s start with the bad news and just get it out of the way.  First of all here’s my meter so that you know where I’m at in my quit. I have chosen not to smoke for 2 Weeks 4 Days 18 Hours 5 Minutes 21 Seconds. Cigarettes not smoked: 1068. Money saved: $91.93. I’ve been having a problem with my mouth almost since the day I quit.  I don’t know if it’s a coincidence or what but it sure is having it’s way with me.  My tongue is, I swear, growing a new skin.  And this growing a new tongue is painful business.  I’ve got taste buds that are 4 times their regular size.  They are out of control!  LOL  Thank goodness it’s not all of them.  Anyway, my tongue is so sensitive I can hardly eat these days. Maybe that’s a good thing.  I’ve gotten to a point where I’ve had to put ora-jel on it to numb it so that I can sleep.  It may be from the whole oral fixation and I’m doing it.  I really don’t know.  I just know it hurts. OK – some good news.  I used to pop antacids like they were candy.  Guess what?  I have not used one since the day I quit.  My heart burn and acid reflux must have been caused from my smoking.  I’M CURED!  Pretty exciting. There’s more…  My chronic sinus infection is almost nil.  I used to have to snuffle up Nasalcrom at least twice a day to unblock my sinus’.  I’ve used it once since I quit.  Funny thing is I never equated these ailments with smoking before.  They’ve been so dramatically better and gone that there is no way I couldn’t see it was all caused from smoking. I just thought someone might find all of this interesting.  I’m not usually one to talk about this kind of stuff.  It just amazes me.  The good and the bad. And how are you today? Kim

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There was another quitter who had painful tongue problems.  I can’t remember his name.  Anyone?  Is he still around? Chris f3as3 Off of nicotine for  One week, four days, 10 hours, 55 minutes and 42 seconds. 229 stinky cigarettes not smoked, saving $40.09. Life saved: 19 hours, 5 minutes.& I intend to enjoy every minute of it!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well yes but what I have to go through to be that way.  I figure it can’t hurt to put this out here.  Maybe someone else is going through it.  Or maybe I’m just nuts.  Because I honestly think this is just one way for the nicodemon to try and get me back into the evil smoking fold. There is good news and bad news.  Let’s start with the bad news and just get it out of the way.  First of all here’s my meter so that you know where I’m at in my quit. I have chosen not to smoke for 2 Weeks 4 Days 18 Hours 5 Minutes 21 Seconds. Cigarettes not smoked: 1068. Money saved: $91.93. I’ve been having a problem with my mouth almost since the day I quit.  I don’t know if it’s a coincidence or what but it sure is having it’s way with me.  My tongue is, I swear, growing a new skin.  And this growing a new tongue is painful business.  I’ve got taste buds that are 4 times their regular size.  They are out of control!  LOL  Thank goodness it’s not all of them.  Anyway, my tongue is so sensitive I can hardly eat these days. Maybe that’s a good thing.  I’ve gotten to a point where I’ve had to put ora-jel on it to numb it so that I can sleep.  It may be from the whole oral fixation and I’m doing it.  I really don’t know.  I just know it hurts. OK – some good news.  I used to pop antacids like they were candy.  Guess what?  I have not used one since the day I quit.  My heart burn and acid reflux must have been caused from my smoking.  I’M CURED!  Pretty exciting. There’s more…  My chronic sinus infection is almost nil.  I used to have to snuffle up Nasalcrom at least twice a day to unblock my sinus’.  I’ve used it once since I quit.  Funny thing is I never equated these ailments with smoking before.  They’ve been so dramatically better and gone that there is no way I couldn’t see it was all caused from smoking. I just thought someone might find all of this interesting.  I’m not usually one to talk about this kind of stuff.  It just amazes me.  The good and the bad. And how are you today? Kim

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Well yes but what I have to go through to be that way.  I figure it can’t hurt to put this out here.  Maybe someone else is going through it.  Or maybe I’m just nuts.  Because I honestly think this is just one way for the nicodemon to try and get me back into the evil smoking fold. There is good news and bad news.  Let’s start with the bad news and just get it out of the way.  First of all here’s my meter so that you know where I’m at in my quit. I have chosen not to smoke for 2 Weeks 4 Days 18 Hours 5 Minutes 21 Seconds. Cigarettes not smoked: 1068. Money saved: $91.93. I’ve been having a problem with my mouth almost since the day I quit.  I don’t know if it’s a coincidence or what but it sure is having it’s way with me.  My tongue is, I swear, growing a new skin.  And this growing a new tongue is painful business.  I’ve got taste buds that are 4 times their regular size.  They are out of control!  LOL  Thank goodness it’s not all of them.  Anyway, my tongue is so sensitive I can hardly eat these days.  Maybe that’s a good thing.  I’ve gotten to a point where I’ve had to put ora-jel on it to numb it so that I can sleep.  It may be from the whole oral fixation and I’m doing it.  I really don’t know.  I just know it hurts. OK – some good news.  I used to pop antacids like they were candy.  Guess what?  I have not used one since the day I quit.  My heart burn and acid reflux must have been caused from my smoking.  I’M CURED!  Pretty exciting. There’s more…  My chronic sinus infection is almost nil.  I used to have to snuffle up Nasalcrom at least twice a day to unblock my sinus’.  I’ve used it once since I quit.  Funny thing is I never equated these ailments with smoking before.  They’ve been so dramatically better and gone that there is no way I couldn’t see it was all caused from smoking. I just thought someone might find all of this interesting.  I’m not usually one to talk about this kind of stuff.  It just amazes me.  The good and the bad. And how are you today? Kim

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Known to cause asthma?  This claim is pretty impressive since nobody knows what causes asthma.  Can you support this claim or are you simply quoting from the Alpine companys promotional literature? If you would like more information on air purification technology that has helped thousands like yourself, just email me with your name and

Why don’t you just post the details here?  Are you afraid that some of us may point out that ozone is a pollutant and known to be espically harmfull to asthmatics? ‘Reply to’ address changed to foil email spammers.

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Do you know that according to the EPA, the #1 problem in America is indoor air pollution? Why? Today’s building methods, codes and the demands for energy conservation, have created super-insulated, air tight indoor spaces. These practices result in lower heating and cooling costs, but they also keep nature’s air cleaning agents outside–while pollution is trapped inside, where you and I have to breath that air. Indoor air pollution is known to cause asthma, allergies, dizziness, headaches, burning eyes, aching throats, chronic illnesses, depressions and many more medical problems.  If you or someone you care about suffers from one or more of these problems, you NEED to know about something  that has helped many people deal with indoor air pollution.   If you would like more information on air purification technology that has helped thousands like yourself, just email me with your name and We will rush this information packet to you or a family member.

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My commentary from the perspective of a safety professional on the ad from Mountain Fresh Services: Do you know that according to the EPA, the #1 problem in America is indoor air pollution (IAP)? True. Why?  Today’s building methods, codes and the demands for energy conservation, have created super-insulated, air tight indoor spaces.

True. These practices result in lower heating and cooling costs, but they also keep nature’s air cleaning agents outside–while pollution is trapped inside, where you and I have to breath that air.

Nature doesn’t have any air cleaning agents.  All nature does is dilute the concentration of  particulates, tobacco smoke, mold, other microorganisms, solvents, pesticides, and the other junk that can pollute indoor air.  This is done simply by opening windows or increasing the amount of fresh outdoor air turnover inside with ventilation.   Indoor air pollution is known to cause asthma, allergies, dizziness, headaches, burning eyes, aching throats, chronic illnesses, depressions and many more medical problems.  If you or someone you care about suffers from one or more of these problems, you NEED to know about something  that has helped many people deal with indoor air pollution.  

IAP _can_ cause all these things.  So can many other factors.  Just because you have asthma doesn’t necessarily mean that IAP is your problem trigger.  Just increasing the amount of fresh air in the house can easily solve a lot of IAP problems.  "Try it before you spend a lot of money on a gadget unless your triggers are outdoor pollens.  Then try a HEPA filter on the AC/furnace.  SLC

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a seventh grader in Michigan doing a research paper on Asthma.  Since I do not have the chronic disease, could you please assist me in finding some useful information?  In my paper, i must answer the following questions: 1. What is asthma? 2. How does it affect the body? 3. Who does it affect? 4. What are the symptoms? 5. What causes asthma? 6.Are there any preventions? 7. What are some of the treatments of this disease? if you have any information about these questions, or know of any good web sites about asthma, please email me as soon as possible.  THank you for your time. Sincerely, Maggie

Maggie, I have been asthmatic since I was 4 and I’m doing research of my own. Here are some web sites that may help you find the answers to your questions.         1.  National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute             http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/nhlbi/nhlbi.htm         2.  National Jewish Center             http://www.njc.org/         3.  American Lung Assoc             http://www.lungusa.org/ndex.html         4.  Asthma and Allergy             http://www.aaaai.org/ That should be more than enough websites. There are also a couple of good books that you might find at your local library.         1.  Asthma Sourcebook by Francis Adams, M.D.         2.  Reversing Asthma by Richard Firshein         3.  Asthma Self Care Book by Geri Harrington I hope this help. Good luck Judie Laurence Hand

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Maggie, I’m the mom of a 7th grader and have to say "good for you" for asking for source information, instead of asking for the answers to your questions.  Good luck on your project. A good place to start might be the American Lung Association.  They have a website with some educational information in it.  You can even get addresses and phone numbers of your local chapter here.    See   www.lungusa.org Happy research! Jayne Bartlett

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I am a seventh grader in Michigan doing a research paper on Asthma.  Since I do not have the chronic disease, could you please assist me in finding some useful information?  In my paper, i must answer the following questions: 1. What is asthma? 2. How does it affect the body? 3. Who does it affect? 4. What are the symptoms? 5. What causes asthma? 6.Are there any preventions? 7. What are some of the treatments of this disease? if you have any information about these questions, or know of any good web sites about asthma, please email me as soon as possible.  THank you for your time. Sincerely, Maggie

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Your Doctor needs to GET HIS HEAD OUT OF HIS ASS!!  I would report him to the local medical board.  He is dangerously uninformed.  He surely hasn’t hasn’t done his job by continually educating himself.  It goes without saying that you should find another doctor.  Jim

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Your doctor is a quack.  There are lots of reasons for asthma triggers that are not psychosomatic.  I have been told this before, but never by a doctor.  It makes me very angry. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was just at a doctor’s who told me that the cause of asthma is usually psychosomatic. And that my adult onset asthma is being caused by something that is bothering me psychologically, then showing itself physically through asthma. (He’s more of general doctor and not a respiratory doctor).  I don’t understand this.  If I’m bothered psychologically, then why do I cough, often with phleghm, and have low peak flow readings when I’ve gone out into cold air and when I’m recovering from bouts of bronchitus? Has anyone else ever been told this?  Does it make you mad too?  Could there be some strange truth in it? If so, why would one’s body do such a mean thing to itself? Believing that all my lung problems are too real to be psychologically induce, but not understanding why they started, Cathy

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says… I was just at a doctor’s who told me that the cause of asthma is usually psychosomatic. And that my adult onset asthma is being caused by something that is bothering me psychologically, then showing itself physically through asthma. (He’s more of general doctor and not a respiratory doctor).

Run away, as quickly as you can, and find a competent doctor. Sounds to me like he’s more of an incompetent quack than a general doctor. See a respiratory specialist if you can. If not, just try different general doctors until you find one who knows a bit about asthma… Asthma is aggravated by stress, but it’s certainly not psychosomatic. In fact, if this is the doctor that diagnosed you with adult onset asthma in the first place, don’t hesitate to get a second opinion. It may not even be asthma…

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A couple of years ago I went to our after hours care center for a realy bad attack, I couldn’t hardly walk to the car. I told the attending (HMO) doctor that this was a bad weeze, the type that usually ended in hospitilization. He told me that all weezes were the same.  He gave me a breathing treatment and sent me home. Later that night the medicine wore off and I was in trouble again. I went back to the after hour care and saw a differerent doctor. They took a X-ray and found that I had Pnumonia. I was admitted to the hospital that night and probably would have died if i hadn’t. It is amazing that some Doctors had a limited understanding of such a common condition. Ras

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Cathy,         You doctor is on drugs..sorta. Asthma is NOT psychomatic. It’s true that extremely strong emotions can trigger an attack (well, a mild one), but the root of asthma is not psychological. They used to think it was, but modern science has proven otherwise.         I’ve heard this too, and it couldn’t be further from the truth. It’s not your mind…just your body. Tell your doctor he’s barking up the wrong tree! -Chris

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Some of us with asthma are affected to varying degrees "psychosomatically". I was twenty when I was first diagnosed with asthma, while in a hospital recovering from a lung infection.  My first "asthmatic" experience was while seeing a smoke filled room *on television* in the hospital room.  Just as a few memories of pool halls and other places led me to imagining the smell of a smoke filled room, I had my first (mild-to-moderate) asthma attack. The psychological trigger for me has dwindled to next to nothing over the years, but it was a significant factor for 2-3 years.  My most recent and hard to shake trigger (for 8 years), was sneezing.  I actually trained myself to keep from sneezing (up to 12 hours at a time), and although I admit something (allergies, likely) was giving me the urge to sneeze, I would never have an asthma attack from allergies until I actually sneezed.  My doctor convinced me I should be able to sneeze without having an asthma attack, incremented my meds a bit, and now I can practically "sneeze my fool head off" with only the slightest tightness.  No attacks for 2 years! -david coleman

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I was just at a doctor’s who told me that the cause of asthma is usually psychosomatic. And that my adult onset asthma is being caused by something that is bothering me psychologically, then showing itself physically through asthma. (He’s more of general doctor and not a respiratory doctor).  I don’t understand this.  If I’m bothered psychologically, then why do I cough, often with phleghm, and have low peak flow readings when I’ve gone out into cold air and when I’m recovering from bouts of bronchitus?

Your doctor is a quack.  Go see a real doctor. BTW, stress is something which can aggravate asthma (just as stress can aggravate any medical condition). Has anyone else ever been told this?  Does it make you mad too?  Could there be some strange truth in it? If so, why would one’s body do such a mean thing to itself? Believing that all my lung problems are too real to be psychologically induce, but not understanding why they started,

Nobody knows what causes asthma.  Asthma is an inflamitory disease which has been linked to the immune system.   You should go see a doctor who will treat the underlying inflamation of the bronchial tubes.

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I was just at a doctor’s who told me that the cause of asthma is usually psychosomatic. And that my adult onset asthma is being caused by

Find another doctor.  This one is a quack.  Asthma is in your lungs, not your head. Laura

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I was just at a doctor’s who told me that the cause of asthma is usually psychosomatic. And that my adult onset asthma is being caused by something that is bothering me psychologically, then showing itself physically through asthma. (He’s more of general doctor and not a respiratory doctor).  I don’t understand this.  If I’m bothered psychologically, then why do I cough, often with phleghm, and have low peak flow readings when I’ve gone out into cold air and when I’m recovering from bouts of bronchitus? Has anyone else ever been told this?  Does it make you mad too?  Could there be some strange truth in it? If so, why would one’s body do such a mean thing to itself? Believing that all my lung problems are too real to be psychologically induce, but not understanding why they started, Cathy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was just at a doctor’s who told me that the cause of asthma is usually psychosomatic. And that my adult onset asthma is being caused by something that is bothering me psychologically, then showing itself physically through asthma. (He’s more of general doctor and not a respiratory doctor).  I don’t understand this.  If I’m bothered psychologically, then why do I cough, often with phleghm, and have low peak flow readings when I’ve gone out into cold air and when I’m recovering from bouts of bronchitus? Has anyone else ever been told this?  Does it make you mad too?  Could there be some strange truth in it? If so, why would one’s body do such a mean thing to itself? Believing that all my lung problems are too real to be psychologically induce, but not understanding why they started, Cathy

Cathy, Get a new doctor, this one does not understand asthma. Although a psychological thing could be a trigger, along with cold air, dust, pollen, etc., it does not cause it.Also suggest you continue to do research on your own, a well informed patient has the best chance to keep asthma under control. I also have adult onset asthma which started with a severe case of bronchitis, ultimately ending up in the emergency room when my doctor didn’t have time to see me after calling in 3 times in 1 day, the advice nurse suggested stopping milk products and renewing my albuterol inhaler when I really needed a pulse dose of prednisone (now I know I should be assertive and just go in, somebody will see me and listen to my wheezing)I was there all nite, initially they gave me 4 nebulizers treatments, then hooked me up to an IV and gave me aminophylline(theophyline)and corticosteroids. Finally released at 6am the next morning after I told them I did not want to be hospitalized. I have now learned I have to be my own asthma doctor and found a family doctor who is willing to let the patient participate in the treatment options, choice of medication, etc.There are a number of good asthma books and an excellent web site for research is http://www.njc.org/   National Jewish Center, they have a searchable data base on asthma and other allergies. I take Serevent (12 hr bronchodilator), Vanceril (beclomethasone), and Intal inhalers.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Asthma & Eczema are related & unfortunately viral illness is more commonly a trigger of asthma than is bacterial illness, so antibiotics are unlikely to be of use. Allergy symptoms can include all of what you have described (except the fever). Generally in severe asthma a peak flow meter is useful in severe asthma as it can help (when used regularly twice daily, before & after your bronchodilator) you determine if your asthma is getting progressively worse over a period of days/weeks. This can enable you to institute appropriate measures such as increasing your inhaled steroid dose to (hopefully) limit the severity of an attack. From your posting you are frustrated – why not get a second opinion from another doctor? Perhaps one not from the student health clinic as you seem to doubt their ability. No real joy having the symptoms you describe, you could try anti-histamine drugs for the rash (provided it isn’t eczema), though being a student these may be outside of your budget. For a more thorough discussion of asthma try: http://hna.ffh.vic.gov.au/asthma/amh/amh.html Scott.

Scott   The page you list is for Australia. I went to it. It has lots of helpful information and I found out a bit more about my medicines from there.  I have had asthma since I was a small child. But I do not understand it much. Is there such a place as this for information in the US? Do you have anything that helps answer children’s questions and explains more what is asthma and why?  My eldest is always asking questions I don’t quite understand. She is 9. What causes asthma? What is asthma? I know mine is triggered by allergies and weather. All I can tell her is it gets very tight and hurts to breath. I have brochial asthma and have never had it really explained to me what this is. I have learned a little. The brochial tubes and often the lungs fill with mucus making it very hard to breath.  Do you live in australia or have contact with the ones that put up that board? Could you ask them if they might be able to put information about asthma in general on their board too and maybe a place to ask and maybe get questions answered?   Rebecca

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I have had asthma since I was a small child. But I do not understand it much. Is there such a place as this for information in the US? Do you have anything that helps answer children’s questions and explains more what is asthma and why? My eldest is always asking questions I don’t quite understand. She is 9. What causes asthma? What is asthma? I know mine is triggered by allergies and weather. All I can tell her is it gets very tight and hurts to breath. I have brochial asthma and have never had it really explained to me what this is. I have learned a little. The brochial tubes and often the lungs fill with mucus making it very hard to breath. Do you live in australia or have contact with the ones that put up that board? Could you ask them if they might be able to put information about asthma in general on their board too and maybe a place to ask and maybe get questions answered?

You might want to take a look at my asthma and allergies WWW resources page: <URL: http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~wrean/resources.html. It has many links to sites which explain asthma, including some intended for children. Pat [posted and emailed] —

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have had asthma since I was a small child. But I do not understand it much. Is there such a place as this for information in the US? Do you have anything that helps answer children’s questions and explains more what is asthma and why? My eldest is always asking questions I don’t quite understand. She is 9. What causes asthma? What is asthma? I know mine is triggered by allergies and weather. All I can tell her is it gets very tight and hurts to breath. I have brochial asthma and have never had it really explained to me what this is. I have learned a little. The brochial tubes and often the lungs fill with mucus making it very hard to breath. Do you live in australia or have contact with the ones that put up that board? Could you ask them if they might be able to put information about asthma in general on their board too and maybe a place to ask and maybe get questions answered? You might want to take a look at my asthma and allergies WWW resources page: <URL: http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~wrean/resources.html. It has many links to sites which explain asthma, including some intended for children. Pat [posted and emailed] —

I know I’ve been a member for eight years and always learned from the monthly newsletter or if necessary, I called the 1-800- 878-4403 number for information. Hope it helps. Sandra    

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Asthma & Eczema are related & unfortunately viral illness is more commonly a trigger of asthma than is bacterial illness, so antibiotics are unlikely to be of use. Allergy symptoms can include all of what you have described (except the fever). Generally in severe asthma a peak flow meter is useful in severe asthma as it can help (when used regularly twice daily, before & after your bronchodilator) you determine if your asthma is getting progressively worse over a period of days/weeks. This can enable you to institute appropriate measures such as increasing your inhaled steroid dose to (hopefully) limit the severity of an attack. From your posting you are frustrated – why not get a second opinion from another doctor? Perhaps one not from the student health clinic as you seem to doubt their ability. No real joy having the symptoms you describe, you could try anti-histamine drugs for the rash (provided it isn’t eczema), though being a student these may be outside of your budget. For a more thorough discussion of asthma try: http://hna.ffh.vic.gov.au/asthma/amh/amh.html Scott.

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Once again, dying of congestion, sore throat, temp., wheezing and itchy skin, I made a trip to my *wonderful* (not) Student Health Dept. today.  For the third time since Christmas, I get told I have a viral upper respiratory infection (they never even check to see if it’s bacterial) and that is triggering my asthma (like, I didn’t know that).  I have had INCREDIBLY dry skin since this fall, including the skin around the eyes – which gets all red, swollen, and painfully itchy.  To make matters worsse, I’ve had red, bumpy itchy spots all over me on and off since fall, too.  They itch terribly and seem to spread when I scratch.  Student Health just tells me I’m an allergic person and it’s just eczema.  They suggest I try Eucerin lotion instead of anything else and some Benadryl to relieve the itching.   Is that it?  Do I get to live with scratching the rest of my life?  Hydrocortisone cream relieves some of the stuff around the eyes, but I can’t go putting cortisone cream around my eyes for the rest of my life.  My legs look awful from the red rash – I can’t imagine wearing shorts this spring.  Anybody know what "eczema" really is?  Is it common in asthmatics?  Is it treatable?  Could it be worse now for the first time in my life because my asthma is in terrible control?  (They don’t beleive me when I say I am worse off than I used to be and don’t want to give me a referral to an allergist/asthma specialist.)  The lady was shocked today when I said I didn’t have a peak flow meter at home.  Course, of the all the times I’ve been there in the past 5.5 years – this is the first time someone asked! How many of you do?  Being a student – I haven’t been in the regular care of one doctor in 9 years, I don’t know what most severe asthmatics do anymore. If you show up at the doctor with a sore throat, congestion, totally stuffed up head, slight fever, does your doctor just say you have a cold?  Or do they check for a bacterial infection?  While I realize the importance of not overusing antibiotics and know most uncomplicated bacterial infections in a reasonably normal person will go away on their own, I’m starting to wonder if I should demand to be tested.  Three severe colds since Christmas is by far more than normal for me. Before lately, I might have a couple of minor colds a year. If this note sounds like I’m frustrated, I am.  I’m sick and I’m tired of not feeling right and not feeling like the doctors at Student Health are listening to me at all.  :( — Kathie Sindt

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